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>>555451336
Buu dying just for Uub to keep being useless was such bullshit.

>>555451581
But Uub wasn't useless? Holy shit the speedwatching.

>>555451336
It wasn't fair...

Correcting a bratty Pan

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>>555451336
>died just before he could voice the best fat Buu battle ever
RIP Shioya and thank you for your service, you will be missed.

super sucks, its filled with uncreative, overused and boring storylines like multiverses, doppelganger vegeta which the movies already did that with goku and way better, a super powerful guy has been imprisoned for a zillion years, they already did that with buu and a bunch of other times, and the granolah saga same plot as baby from GT but lamer because granolah and the heeters designs are ugly (also just a copy of the movies they did a ton of times where its 1 guy and 4 henchmen), high school saga and super hero saga, literally just look at what genres are trending right now and go fuck it lets make it a saga, and basically all the characters and transformations are either boring or ugly or both, super saiyan but its blue, super saiyan but its red, frieza but hes gold or black, whis is one of the most important characters and i cringe every time hes on screen because his design is somehow both boring and ugly, people love Jiren and Toppo for some reason but they look stupid and ugly, Beerus is pretty much the only character from super where I dont have any problems with his design (I was going to say every character who's ugly or boring but then I realized that list would include 99% of super characters). Anyone who says super is better than gt probably didnt watch either, the hate for gt is insane and makes no sense when the people who hate on it love super which is a million times worse than gt which I don't even think is that good it's just fine, it's like if the movies got there own series.

You're still getting corrected, brat.

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>XV3 will have UE
They better make it broken as fuck, the whole damage boost thing is already vidya-like

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Just a friendly reminder.... >>555451271

>>555452593
Gonna headpat you.

>>555452590
>the more damage you take the more powerful your attacks become
>but you don't get any other buff, like speed or idk damage resistance or anything
>so basically everyone else will just run laps around you as you willingly get hurt until you lose
that's pretty much how it went in the manga

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>>555454615
>but you don't get any other buff, like speed or idk damage resistance or anything
That's the opposite of how it went in the manga. The higher your ki is the more you can tank, the faster you move, etc, it improves all your abilities, not just punching stronger.

>>555454980
>dat
Did Vegeta even try any hakai attacks while in this form? Did he even try them in base?

>>555454980
didn't look like it, especially given the fight went on with Vegeta getting more and more hurt and eventually losing because of that, as if he didn't have a new form at all

I really hope xenoverse 2 doesn't have fat male majins.
Ignoring how terrible they are gameplay wise, all clothing looks hideous on them and clips put the ass. They should just make both male and female majins have kid buu physique, then people will actually play them instead of the lobby being 100 saiyan cacs that all look like gohan.

>>555455496
xenoverse 3

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>>555455363
>didn't look like it
Both the page I just posted and this one do look like it, it's a very clear and fast understand representation of Granolah failing to keep up with Vegeta's new speed.

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>>555455285
All his attacks are Hakai. Manga's Hakai isn't a certain move, it's a method of destroying things and at its best the target is completely eliminated and the laws of conservation of matter release a massive amount of energy. Vegeta used it before and after fully harnessing the power as "UE".
Granolah used it too, and so did Gas.

I want a demon race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBX-48q3im0

Glorio is strong but not strong enough to match a super saiyan at least right now, I feel like if he got proper training he'd be able to match it or surpass it I base that on absolutely nothing

I want to have demon time patrollers to prove this, but man, I have no idea how they would do the female ones, every canon female demon we've seen doesn't do brawling, they use their brains, Maaba, Ariasu, even Toriyama created non canon demon females like that chick from Jump force, Chrona, Towa all are brain rather than brawn, they'd have to be far more reliant on magic and I don't know how you do a fighting style like that in the atatatatata franchise even Fu wants to atatatata with us now

>>555455821
what about every other page? What about how the whole fight(s) goes? Come on anon, my point is that you don't have to cherry pick like this for super saiyan or UI. Like anons were talking about daima SS4 not being in super kai cause they don't want the new form to lose this quick (against Beerus in that case), but that's exactly what they did for UE: it showed up to just do nothing of note
>but!
again it's how they executed it, this could've been just Vegeta powering up "my bulma" style and nothing would've changed except the color of his hair. Seemingly having the upper hand for a few seconds, to me at least, doesn't feel like it shows how powerful something is

>>555456173
>Glorio is strong but not strong enough to match a super saiyan at least right now,
He'd fodderize SSJ Goku on Namek tho.

>>555455496
>>555455596
I hope Xenoverse 3 has even more customization. More than just Majins can be fat. Give me some general "alien" race with various options to create some unique characters and add earthlings should have the option to be those animal hybrids and have body types from Krillen to Ox King. That way the game look like Dragon Ball as people will actually want to create unique looking characters. The only unique option really is female Majin right now so no wonder everyone looks like a Gohan clones, your only other options are Freiza clone, Piccolo clone, Buu clone or human which at that point you might as well be a Sayin so Gohan clone.
Just fix the clipping issue.

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>>555456253
The other page that also shows he became faster..? Or this other one that also shows him being faster? This isn't a debate anon, UE Vegeta is faster than SSB Vegeta, and it's not cherrypicking either, there's not a single part of the arc where they ever depict, claim or depict UE as anything but better than SSB in every sense without exception.
And I'm not here to talk about how much you like or dislike the form, I couldn't care less, I'm just saying that UE is stronger than SSB and yes, that includes defense and speed, not just strength. Stop being a dumbass.

>>555456853
you're clearly not understanding what i'm saying and i don't know how to make myself clearer
>And I'm not here to talk about how much you like or dislike the form
you're the first to bring this up by the way, i never once mentioned whether i like the form or not (i never even talked about my feelings about the form, as i only ever talked about the fights), so i think you're willingly not understanding what i'm saying more than me not being clear enough
so yeah there's no need to keep this going, we both said our pieces and that's it. All i can add is that i hope the eventual anime arc will give UE a better showing than what the manga did, that's it

>>555456253
SSG lost and didn't even make it to the end of the battle right after introducing SS being stronger than SS3.
SSB had to be saved Whis Ex Machina and it could have been just the return of SSG instead.
UI Sign was basically bait and Toriyama and the editors didn't even expect proper UI to change Goku's look, it was supposed to be just Goku moving better. And it failed too.
SS4 failed completely and a comedy relief character got the win instead.
But suddendly Vegeta getting a new form that doesn't grant him the win but helps him keep up is a problem? lmao

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>>555457439
>"I didn't mention my feelings when I said "to me at least, doesn't feel like..." but I hope it has a different showing in the other version"
>this was supposed to be about whether UI boosts just raw strength or all stats and how it would reflect to videogames
Okay. Whatever makes you happy.

>>555457827
>whether UI boosts just raw strength or all stats and how it would reflect to videogames
I meant UE here but you get me.

>>555457581
see, this wasn't any of my arguments at all, as i'm not a "UURR ACTHUALLY IT DIDN'T WIN!! JOBBER FORM!!" tard. I'm just saying UE showed up to just do nothing but going against what the form is supposed to do (you take more damage = you actually win, instead he lost because of it), unlike any of those forms, but the issue isn't at all with the form and just with how the manga executed those specific fights
also
>and it could have been just the return of SSG instead.
i actually agree
>didn't even expect proper UI to change Goku's look
and this too, as i like UI sign way more than MUI. But again, i'm not talking about forms. I can also add that unlike all those forms, UE only ever had one showing, you could argue it's unfair to compare it to other forms' fights, which is also why i was initially just talking about how UE and its fights by itself

>>555457827
again you're willfully misunderstanding me, and now you're trying to pin this shit on me just to feel like you "won" this internet fight. Do what you want, believe what you want and all that. I give you full permission to gloat and reply with any variation of "sure you do!!!", i don't want to argue what you think i said instead of what i actually said. Especially since i'm very much not the first to say this, as what i talked about is not a new argument at all here, not just for UE but how the manga's execution in general isn't that great

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It's better than Kakumei and did most of the usual fan manga sins better too.

Based Watamoto-san.

>>555458996
Anon I'm completely serious and trying to be respectful here when I say I think you have issues. Anon talked about UE in games, someone (you? who knows) mentioned UE boosting strength only and said it's pretty much how it went in the manga. And that's wrong, because UE boosts everything in the manga.
You are having an autistic stroke over how good or bad UE is, or the manga in general, and nobody gives a flying fuck because that's not even the argument here, the argument is
>mechanically does UE boost raw strength or everything in general?
If you want to discuss something else then find someone else, please.

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>gas

>>555459475
I wish we got him instead of Merus in the manga

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>>555459860
It's okay, Gas.
I've peed in my pants too.

>>555459860
Horrendously out of character for Goku.

>>555459860
That only makes me feel more sorry for him, the guy is a literal kid who was wetting his bed a couple years ago and his brother made him fight the strongest fighters of the universe, poor fucking guy

>>555459574
that wasn't the argument though, it was:
>this how it went down in the manga
>actually you got some details wrong, the form does this and this
>okay, but this is still how it went down in the manga
>NOOO I SAID THE FORM DOES THIS AND THIS
rinse and repeat
as i said, you keep trying to make it look like i'm talking about the form while i'm talking about the fight, that's why i said multiple times it "didn't feel like it did" when you said the form powers up everything, cause it didn't feel like it did. And that's not on the form, it's on the manga's execution of the fight, and it's not like the moveset in a game is gonna be based on anything but the fight itself rather than the form's stats sheet
For the nth time, if you're gonna reply, can we both agree that i'm not talking about the form by itself? Are we on the same page on that? Cause it really feels like you're refusing to understand this part

>>555451651
>I got absorbed... on PURPOSE
>Now I will do nothing for the rest of the series!

>>555418074
>>555430374
Fenyo can draw whatever he wants, and the closest he ever got to doing manga fanart was that piece making fun of how Toyo draws necks

>>555461452
Last time I try to appeal to your intelligence since there's apparently nothing in that head of yours. No, you didn't get "some details" wrong, you got it all wrong. Someone asks about UE mechanics, you get them wrong, I tell you how they actually are and now you are having a stroke because you don't like the debut of the form, because you didn't feel like it worked like it factually does, and are too autistic to understand we are discussing mechanics and not narrative.
And yeah, you aren't talking about the form, that's exactly what I've been telling you all this time, that's why your stroke is entirely out of place, you want to discuss something (narrative) nobody else is talking about, that's why everything you have to say has no value here.

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>Videl couldn't clear this pussy

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So is Toei not writing a thing anymore? Just Shueisha (the og script the manga used) and CC Tokyo?

>>555462016
>and are too autistic to understand we are discussing mechanics and not narrative.
yeah cause saying
>>555454615
>that's pretty much how it went in the manga
means mechanics and not narrative
as i said, you just don't want to address what i'm actually talking about, and instead keep coming up with all new ways to call me retarded cause you have nothing on what i'm talking about
>but i don't want to talk about that!!!
then stop replying dude, it's that easy. I kept it going to try and make myself clear, as a sane person would in the spirit of discussion, but as i said an hour ago it's not that i'm not clear, you just don't want to hear it. And that's okay, you're free to believe or idk do what you want, it is best for both of us though that this stops here as there's nothing else beyond this point but the "i accept your concession" classic

>>555408113
No seriously link?

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Some noteable characters who couldn't beat... Mermaid.

>>555462796
That's LSS Crono

>>555426797
"Potential" in narrative discussion doesn't mean "Raditz would’ve become a good guy, MasakoX-style!" It means he occupied a unique narrative position and the story later inflated the importance of that position. The text itself created thematic tension retroactively, so calling that fanfic is just a dodge cause it avoids engaging with retcons and framing. Also, DB itself is retroactive fanfic of its own past. Vegeta, Bardock, Broly, Freeza were all rewritten by popularity and hindsight because DB is one of these series where character relevancy lives and dies by their popularity. Invoking "original intent" selectively is dishonest.
>>555428627
>He wasn't. He was a loving HUSBAND by saiyan standards.
All this does is admits my criticism, though. If Bardock cared about his kids only once, was emotionally limited and was STILL a product of Saiyan culture, then making a cosmic wish centered on his sons becomes more narratively significant, not less. A character with limited emotional range expressing a desperate, singular hope is textbook emotional emphasis. You don't get to say:
>"He barely cared"
>"The wish doesn't matter"
>"The framing is sentimental"
>"Ignore the consequences"
All at the same time. Either the wish is a throwaway or the arc shouldn't dramatize it. Granolah insists it matters, that's the contradiction.
>doesn't mean it has to extend to the members that don't and tried to kill you AND your kid just because you didn't want to do their job for them.
That's a strawman. I never argued if Raditz deserved forgiveness. I argued about coherence, not morality. The rebuttal reframes my point into, "Why should Goku care about someone who tried to kill him?" But my actual question is, "Why should the audience be asked to care about ancestry and parental legacy at all when Goku himself never did and when one son is erased from that legacy?" Those are not the same question. Moral justification is not the same as narrative consistency.

>>555462862
>Uub is more popular than kid Trunks, Pan or OG Piccolo

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>>555408113
BASED

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still nothing on who drew this? Goku's face is a bit weird but i otherwise like this a lot, especially the two tone shading that finally let the plastic sheen go

>>555465009
Looks like Shintani trying to copy Toyo a little but giving it a late Cell arc/early Buu arc Toriyama's vibre

>>555461708
>and the closest he ever got to doing manga fanart was that piece making fun of how Toyo draws necks
I haven't seen that one...

>>555460418
Yeah, must've been his Daima personality. Fucking Toyopaco

>>555465108
>trying to copy Toyo
I've seen this posted before, but it really doesn't look like Toyo at all. Musculature is completely different, Goku's body isn't stretched out (and his belt is actually at his navel), etc.

>>555451336
So this got me thinking. Didn't Buu get a new voice actor when turned into a kid in Daima? If so they'll likely use him for at least fat Buu from now on... RIP Shioya...

>>555463178
did you see that fucking indian dude whos name I forgot because hes not based like Nam? holy saars voters

>>555465461
That Vegeta is literally Toyotaro's (specially the face) with a little more meat in his legs like Toriyama did him. The hair is simplistic enough (but not Daima tier) to pass as Toyotaro too imo, and that light orange color is one Toyotaro uses in some of his colored illustrations too.
On the other hand the main Toriyama parts are Goku's eyes, arms (very Buu arc like) and the way the clothes fold in his lower torso and under the belt.

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>>555466827
The face is really not like Toyotaro's much at all. Toyo Vegeta is very much still taking from his days of tracing the anime back during AF, so he has a very Toei Z face.
That Vegeta face is more in line with what Toriyama would typically give him, with the dismal expression and all. That and this poster was used after showing exclusively Toriyama art, plus the lighter colours on Goku's gi (and darker colours on Vegeta's underclothes) make it clear that they're trying to evoke Toriyama more than anything.

>>555467242
missing bulge

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>>555467242
That face doesn't look much like Toriyama's Vegeta, really, and Toyotaro's style is FAR from Z, he grew up copying Nakatsuru's GT style.
That light orange is also not common in Toriyama's art, when he doesn't go for a strong orange color he usually uses golden. Oh and that poster wasn't used after showing exclusively Toriyama art. After the Toriyama art but before the poster we got pic related, which isn't specially Toriyama-like.

>>555468084
Those designs aren't exactly Toyotaro like either, and neither is the Galactic Patrol poster. The bodies are too lithe and lacking in detailed musculature to be Toyotaro-like at all.

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Do you think XV3 will make a special SS variant for the avatars after SS Black?
>Super Saiyan
>Super Vegeta
>Future Super Saiyan
>Divine Super Saiyan

>>555468234
It's almost like I said it's a mix of the two of them (well, three, Shintani is still Shintani) rather than just one of them like you said, huh

>>555468580
Again, none of it looks that much like Toyotaro at all. I think this is just people being used to Toyotaro, because nothing about the piece screams his style to me. Hell, even the hair is pretty distinct from Toyo, since he doesn't do that waviness at the back Vegeta has in the post.

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There's no way they would make a giant monster that sticks to the ground a playable character so sadly we won't get to play as the strongest and most bizarre Moro form, but I hope XV makes a boss battle out of him

Do you guys think Xenoverse is over reliant on mods?

>>555472502
Somewhat

>>555467242
The colors on Vegeta are taken straight out of DBS Broly.

>>555458380
>The fact that Ganbarion is calling those Kid Gohan changes "buffs" proves they are balancing for low ranks and they don't give a shit otherwise.
They had to call it a buff otherwise Toshi would behead them.

At first I thought it was good that Age 1000 took 7 years (8 counting 2026), but then I realized Sparking Zero took like 5 and still looked really rushed.

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>>555451336
>Died before the Moro arc could be animated
Grim...

>>555477739
Bros play a Sparking game divorced from nostalgia and realize they have pretty flaccid main scenarios, broken and unbalanced rosters, and light on content people actually want to play.

>>555477739
You have to factor in the fact that the guy specified "including the initial concept phase" who knows how long that took
And also if it started in 2019/2020 then COVID could have impacted it too
Would they have had to switch from UE4 to UE5 as well because that didn't release until '21/22? And if yeah then how long would that have taken?
Toriyama's death probably screwed things up
I want to give Hirano the benefit of the doubt, so I won't also add in the likelihood of him exaggerating Toriyama's involvement. Especially since both he and the game's description specified that Toriyama designed more characters than just the guy.

>>555472502
It's literally the only way it's half fun

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I can't fucking wait to see PEAK in videogames

>>555478926
I wonder who's going to be first, Legends or Dokkan

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>>555479046
Superdivers duh, they will probably have all variants too
>hooded Moro from 10M years ago
>unhooded old Moro when he first encounters Goku and Vegeta
>same but without the cloak when he starts using magic against SSG
>partially restored after eating Goku and Vegeta's life, when he fights Buu
>even more restored after eating part of New Namek's life, close to prime
>fully restored, prime Moro
>cyborg after eating 73
>UI cyborg after copying Merus
>UI cyborg-planet as boss battle only

>>555479046
>>555479929
Also did Dokkan really wait a full year for Daima!SS4? That's crazy

>>555477930
And yet, this one is magnitudes worse than any of the others.

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>>555479929
This got me thinking, since techniques are allowed to be used in games, did any game have Buu do pic related? I'm pretty sure there wasn't, but I don't check out every game Buu is in.

re-reading dragon ball and why did toriyama retcon's goku age from 14 to 12? there's not even a really big reason to doing that

>>555472502
It's a decade old game, so unfortunately

>>555481362
Probably because he had the idea of the upcoming timeskip and didn't want to make Goku an adult yet.
That or he saw his main readers were 12 instead of 15.

>>555481520
more like couldn't make goku an adult. Remember toriyama had to fight to allow goku to age up in the first place

>>555481362
Dragon Ball was gonna be a short story running about 1~ year, so Goku's age didn't matter, and during the tournament he decided to keep going. Probably just made Goku younger so he could be more flexible (since if Goku looked the same during a third Dragon Ball hunt despite being 16, it'd be a bit weird)

>>555481362
Literally everything is made up as they go. Probably just seemed like a good idea for one reason or another

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>Coming back to Squadra
>EUlmao
>Tank
>Enemy team of Bardock + Vegeto in same lane
>Bardock has name "Mohammed"
>Vegeto has name"Ali"
>They dive to us in our lane immediately
>Instead of smacking their shit my teammate fucks off to hide in GOD
>They can't kill me but keep coming

I feel like this is an allegory for modern Europe

>>555482253
>Literally everything is made up as they go.

why mangakas do this

>>555482381
You're just straight up not given the time to plan out a proper arc ever, you're forced to make shit up on a weekly basis

like to put it in perspective anon. For most mangaka that aren't toriyama, you spend most of the week just drawing said chapter and you have at most a day or two to plan out the next chapter. That's not a lot of flexibility

>>555481362
If Goku's older, all those times he's drawn with his dick flopping around become less innocent.

>>555481139
lmao Meteor is literally the only one that holds a candle to Zero, get your nostalgia googles of

>>555481346
Pretty sure it wasn't, Buu never gets the love it deserves in games because its wacky way of fighting is hard to animate. Hopefully such a cool move being animated soon will make some games add it

>>555482650
>mangaka
>flexibility
Japanese normally die about as old as the spanish and mangakas tend to die as soon are americans, it's *that* taxing

>>555483940
Wasn't there an image of Oda's workflow and he gets like zero days off or something

>>555465009
This art style will clash with the art style of the Super Remake.......

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>>555483940
>>555483578

Tenkaichi 2 was pretty good too desu

>>555485110
I now remember 18 calling Zangya a skank

is mission 78 bugged for anyone else? I lose instantly when the match starts

>>555486569
Who did you pick?

>>555486813
I picked Gohan Beast, Black, UI Goku, and Tullece and it all ended up the same. Match starts and Cell Max wins. I looked it up and seems other people are having this problem too so it might be a bug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCq0_ybgync

>>555486992
>beasthan
>losing instantly
working as intended

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>>555451336
RIP Majin Buu, you were always my favorite DB villain.


I've been playing Bardock in Gekishin Squadra and look at this. I took their bottom tower and got an error code. I come back, the entire enemy team is on me. But I still have like a little under half health. I was able to make it all the way back to where my Frieza is before I finally died. He's unkillable.
I ran Too Easy, Steel Skin, and Defense Step.

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Monkiest of Monkey Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M58zcPxXiU

>>555489001
I dunno know why they changed the title to GT Final Bout when GT hadn't even come out in the States yet.

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>>555489001
HEROOOO HEROOOOO

I played this game when I was just getting into Dragon Ball and was confused as fuck. I'm watching Goku fight Freeza and meanwhile I see all this GT shit.

>>555489001
ITS OVER 9000

>>555489001
HEROOOO HEROOOOO

I played this game when I was just getting into Dragon Ball and was calm as fuck. I'm watching Goku fight Freeza and meanwhile I see all this GT gold.

>you can't take SS4 from the Daima DLC back to the main game with you
The second half of the Kakarot Daima dlc feels very rushed

>>555492619
the whole goddamn game was rushed.

>>555451336
Miss when GT aired and didn't have a problem moving the franchise forward by making bold decisions.

>>555494370
the bold decision of attempting to do pilaf saga again?

>>555494463
No no, the bold decision to do Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans but worse.

>>555494939
The shadow dragons were at the very least a novel concept. Shame basically all of them sans like 2 sucked

>>555494463
>>555494939
I think you both mean the bold decision to remake the Janemba movie but with Android 17 for the extra nostal- I mean, BOLDness.

>>555494939
That is in no way bolder than Fusion Reborn but worse.

>>555495045
Funny how little people remember of the rest.

>>555495094
>>555495336
I concede, that was the boldest decision.

>>555495045
Two? Who's the other? Nuova is the only one I can think of. Syn sucked since he's really bland and almost never uses the weird powers he has.

>>555497538
I count syn/omega because he gets in as "the guy who gogeta fights" in games He does the minus energy ball and doesn't afraid of anything

>>555497630
>He does the minus energy ball and doesn't afraid of a-AIEEEEE GENKI-DAMA-SAMA PLEASE HAVE MERCY

>>555483940
>Americans out of nowhere

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I know character models matter to a lot of people, the shading, expressions, textures and all that, and rightfully so, but I sincerely hope the new game finally does away with the shitty generic unreal environments. Is it just too hard to make a world that looks like it came from its respective anime or do the studios just not care? The open world mobile games can do it pretty well

>>555489001
>Playing GS
>Decide to play this track while using Baby
>Lose twice in a row because teammates refuse to go to bosses
This track for saiyans has cursed me with bad teammates!

>>555504645
Modern anime games seem to finally be pivoting away from shitty plastic models, but it's like they're still stuck in the 2000s with the ugly realistic looking backgrounds and crappy particle effects (low res, non-cel shaded laser/energy beams, auras, explosions, etc). I noticed that playing the recent Bleach game.

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I read some of the supposed leakers that have talking about the remake for a while say the image training scene from the manga's first chapter was in Super Kai and I wonder if it's this part? It doesn't feel "real" at all so it's either Beerus dreaming of the SSG and seeing Goku (unlikely, his face shouldn't be seen or Beerus should know Goku is the one he's looking for) or this is the image training Goku does while Goten handles the truck

>>555504645
I don't think you realise just how much time and money goes into building those assets. Mobage can get away with it due to how easily they can recoup their investments.

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>275 days
Season 9 is just never ending I guess.

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I just realized the chances of Toei giving Gohan the orange gi again (just with the GP emblem) are slim, but not zero. I swear I'm gonna hunt down every single one of those dogs if they don't give us the purple gi until Superhero AGAIN.

>>555507357
Damn and just earlier I was thinking about Fortnite taking 35 days until the next battle pass. Feel sorry for DB The Breakers players.

>>555507785
>Piccolo and Gohan doing Toyotaro pose#1
>Chaozu doing Toyotaro pose#2

In the Toeiverse even the Genkidama on Namek is stated to be universal, so is the one against Kid Boo which gets broadcast across the entire living universe and Otherworld as well. It's kind of hilarious they made such a big deal about Earth in the anime when it's realistically less than 1% of the total genki.

The "Universal Genki Dama" is typically used to hype up GT but in fact Yi Xing Long jobbing to this same attack that was already tanked by Namek Freeza is a colossal anti-feat for GT.

>>555481346
Buu (Super) is going to be peak in Sparking Zero.

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>>555506396
Very likely is. Even the poses are similar.
Can't wait for THIS though.

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>>555507785
What's Leroy doing there

>>555516559
will we ever get an official answer to wither or not they have fur on their legs?

>>555507785
I can see it being orange cause it was in anime ToP while Toyo's version was purple there already. The switch from orange to purple during Super Hero made sense cause it was Piccolo's movie. So they'll save the outfit switch for that.

>>555515734
>German Cell died recently

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Already tired of playing against Bardock.

>>555507785
They changed SS1 to SSG in BoG, I don't see why they wouldn't change this as well. Remake ToP will likely already be changed to to have him with the Piccolo clothes.

gohan and videl should make another saiyan

I and videl should make another earthling

>>555472502
Not really. I've always felt the core gameplay and the general skill/moveset design of Xenoverse 2 is really solid, you can feel that shine through especially in trying to get better at PVP with friends. The big sticking point for me is that the customization is too limited, graphics need upgrading too. The game is overdue for a sequel, but I hope that they don't stray too far from XV2's base gameplay. It's not perfect by any means but I like it for what it is.

>>555451336
passing by to ask, did fighterZ ever get rollback?

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>Buu in GS has a mechanic where if your opponent's level is higher than yours', he'll turn into World's Strongest Candy
>Except Vegetto, who'll turn into World's Strongest Candy no matter what
>Vegetto even has a line for it
Almost too bad the same doesn't happen with Uub's ult (Weirdly enough, Vegetto still says the same line)

>>555520981
They said they'd wait for Pan to go super saiyan...

>>555524472
It did a while back, but the online was still pretty wonky despite it. Been a while since I last played it, so I dunno if they've fixed it since.

>>555520981
Pan was an accident

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blue fusion fighting a universal threat vs monkey fusion fighting a universal threat

any questions?

>>555528759
Gogeta jobbed and achieved nothing in GT btw. Some of the most embarrassing shit I've ever seen

>>555524472
>>555525462
NA PC EC?

>>555528858
>Gogeta jobbed and achieved nothing in GT btw.
It's incredible how useless he was.
>Kicked Omega's energy ball to dispell the negative energy surrounding Earth
>Even though killing him would achieve the same thing
>Omega doesn't care about it
>Later surrounds Earth with it again anyway
>Big Bang Kamehameha doesn't kill Omega
>Makes Omega lose most of his dragon balls
>Omega gets most of them back anyway
>Omega doesn't get four stars dragon ball
>Nuova comes back and tries to kill him
>Fails spectacularly
>Omega is at full power once again
Remove SS4 Gogeta and the plot doesn't change, because he achieved nothing.

>>555531173
he did at least answer the question "but why didn't they fuse???" before anyone could ask it, though

>>555532718
Actually why didn't Goten and Trunks fuse? For some reason they went back to fight Omega in their normal ass unfused forms at the end.

>>555532998
the watsonian explanation is that they know it wouldn't do shit and they're better off being 2 annoying flies pestering him than 1 slightly larger fly
the doylist explanation is they didn't want to make an adult gotenks design for like a minute's worth of action

>>555507357
man I want to play broly but Im not spending money on a dead game so Ill stick to cell

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>>555528858
>>555531173
made Omega Shenron cower in fear for his life
the only fusion who came the closest to defeating a villain
was and is still the pinnacle of power and aura in the entirety of DB

yeah i fucking knew it i got dodge chargered again

>>555507785
CHIAOTZU KINO CHIAOTZU KINO

Dokkanfags are shitting on SS4 Daimaku none stop, lol

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>>555533508
But they weren't better off as two flies, they jobbed immediately

>>555534649
>the only fusion who came the closest to defeating a villain
Excuse the FUCK me but did you FORGET?

>>555534649
GTfag lying again

>>555534649
>the only fusion who came the closest to defeating a villain
That's a fucking lie, the original Gogeta actually DID beat Janemba.

>>555534753
>>555534972
still Gogeta thougheverbeit GODGETA!!! GODGETA!!!

>>555534972
He defeated Nuly too

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>>555535363
But that's not the same as GT Gogeta.
Neither is Gogeta Blue, who dogwalked Broly.

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>>555532998
They suggested a fusion against Baby, but Goku basically says "Don't bother, you're too weak.".

>>555536227
I like how the plot isn't even allowed to pretend for a second that anyone but goku can do anything here

>>555536227
So why fight him anyway IN AN EVEN WEAKER STATE?
That's like saying "You can't beat him even as a Super Saiyan" and they start fighting a villain in BASE!

It's lame how the final mission in SZ is still just SSJ4 Gogeta instead of something like making you fight all five 10DP characters on boss mode

>>555536518
IIRC, it is a 90% port of the BT3 mode, with a few new opponents.

>>555536954
the second i saw "Crane and Turtle Style" i knew that was likely the case, suppose it's not all that surprising but still a little disappointing

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>>555536372
GT is like that.

>>555536437
For whatever reason GT saiyans are really hesitant to transform. No one goes SS2 or above except Goku, and a few times they don't transform at all. In Super 17, Rildo was casually overwhelming Gohan, and Gohan didn't transform against him for even a second. Later Vegeta comments 17 powered up beyond belief and only fights him in base form, and then everyone gets trounced by Super 17 before they bother transforming, despite just a regular 17 being strong enough to match base form Vegeta, and them just seeing Uub (Who should be stronger than everyone by that point) do nothing to Super 17...

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>>555536227
>>555536372
>>555538678
>Damn it Goten stop trying to be relevant!

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okay then let's see how vegito """wins""" his fights

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wow sure is a lotta """winning""" going on here!

>>555539364
SSB Vegito actually overpowering Fused Zamasu was one of the few good changes from the manga version

>>555515078
>when it's realistically less than 1% of the total genki.
It's like that in the manga too and getting people to save themselves was the entire point, otherwise they'd have just teleport Gohan or Gotenks in to kill Kid Buu.

>>555540630
>getting people to save themselves was the entire point
There's very much a tension of not being able to beat Boo otherwise and the Genkidama grows in size a lot after Satan convinces the Earthlings. It's not like the situation was totally under control and they were just doing this out of principle, shit was fucked.

>>555542067
>shit was fucked.
Eh, again, they had Gohan in their backpocket.

What's everyone's guess for Age 1000?

>>555543079
Dragon Ball Online reboot with Xenoverse-style gameplay, with more customization and playable races than either game, a big explorable open-multiverse, a story than branches depending on your actions, and massive PvP arenas with dozens of players fighting each other simultaneously.

>>555544134
>a big explorable open-multiverse,
What does that even mean?

>>555540982
Need to cum in Kamin

>>555544229
Personally speaking, I want each playable race to have their own starting location, and then as the story progresses they can visit the locations of the other races, as well as worlds beyond Universe 7.

Race-specific Locations:
>Human/Saiyan: either West City or Satan City
>Namekian: Namekian Settlement on Earth
>Majin: A town built around Buu's old house
>Fridge: A Frieza Force ship ran by lower rank soldiers
>Beastman: Red Pants Army Boot Camp
>Android: Red Pants Army Laboratory
>Glind: Shin's Planet

Other Locations (via space/time travel):
>Kami's Lookout
>Korin's Tower
>Upa's Village
>Muscle Tower
>Red Ribbon Army HQ (OG/DBS)
>World Tournament
>Baba's Palace
>Pilaf's Palace
>Mount Paozu
>Planet Vegeta/Plant/Sadala
>Planet Namek
>Beerus' Planet
>Otherworld
>Demon Realm
>Zeno's Palace
>ToP Arena
>Pride Trooper HQ
>Kamekaze Fireballs' City
>Trio's Wasteland
>Gowasu's Planet

>>555547264
>Personally speaking, I want each playable race to have their own starting location, and then as the story progresses they can visit the locations of the other races
Oh, you mean like in DBO.

>>555482371
I can't look away from her pretty Onyx oceans...

Most DB what ifs are boring and just random 'stuff change just because with no rhyme or reason'. You never see stuff that make actual sense like 'What if Goku was stuck in Ginyu's body?'.

>>555548065
Pretty much, just expanded beyond just Earth.

>>555549817
because the point of what-ifs is to explore alternate takes on the series.

You know, most people assume the Body-Changer Ginyu was always the commander of the Ginyu Force and a Freeza soldier who just maybe had a different body before, but in my last rewatch I started to consider that maybe Commander Ginyu was a different person originally and the body-changer replaced him and then assumed his persona as commander afterwards. This is totally unverifiable and nothing about his character suggests it but I think it would be a more interesting angle.

>>555552084
I took it more that the body changer is the actual Ginyu, and the body he's using is just the most recent body change he's done.

>>555551742
Alternate takes doesn't mean 'random shit'.

>>555553926
it does if you want something more creative than "what if Goku but left handed"

>>555556739
Except it's not creative, it's just random shit exactly like 'What if Goku but left handed' with no basis or logic, just more convoluted.

>>555558051
>it's not more creative, it's just more complex and different

>>555558786
>Being convoluted is 'difference and complexity'
Open a dictionary, please

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i got my last Xenoverse 2 backup working again! it's actually kinda overwhelming being thrown back into having so many skill and costume options. i almost don't know where to start except for some old favorites. lol

>>555559018
>convoluted, adjective: complicated, intricate, complex

>>555544134
It needs a different gameplay. Why Xenoverse style? The gameplay is like the last thing people like about the game lol.

>mission is called mount paozu gate
>not even on mount paozu anymore

>>555562979
Xenoverse already works with 6+ characters battling at once, and has 8+ player Raid bosses, so it's natural for people to assume an MMO would function similarly. there's a VERY popular Dragon Ball Roblox RPG that is esentially a Xenoverse MMO.
nobody's seen what Sparking Zero looks like with more than 2 guys fighting at a time so it's more of an imaginative leap to try to visualize those systems in a 6+ player environment. i can picture Genshin-Xenoverse but i could not fathom Genshin-Sparking.

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>the removed the embarrassing SSG regeneration
Thank god

>>555544134
>dragon ball but walk around a big lifeless world doing fetch quests
This sounds worse than Xenoverse

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If The Breakers somehow makes it to 2028 we are absolutely getting him in.

>>555568775
Dragonball is probably the one game where doing fetch quest in open world meme could be fun imagine going for a drive in your toriyama style car or bike around the DB world build stats by training the more you run and climb you could also builds stats doing turtle hermit training quest, fuck even have some star wars galaxy job shit work restaurants cooking mini games go fishing normal or just go fight fish, hunting dionsaurs doing robotic building mini games you could do alot or just keep it simple but as someone who flew around the old games over world menu actually being in it would be fun and being in it with other real people would just raise the bar more for me

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>>555570128
>LV1: Old Moro reliant on magic
>LV2: Restored Moro, this stage can be skipped
>LV3: Cyborg Moro after eating Seventhree
>LV4: Cyborg angel Moro with Merus' powers

>>555543079
CaC open world game with time travel raid battles/main story.
Basically a XV spiritual successor, if it fails they just keep doing XV2, if it succeeds they start retiring XV2.

We're this much closer to Ultra Ego Vegeta finally being in everything and advertised a along side UI Goku.

>>555573415
I look forward to using him in Fortnite if they ever decide to do a revamp of him and Goku. The original skins look like ass.

>>555573415
Not at all? Granolah arc is not even considered as of yet. It's gonna be another long break before it, I wouldn't expect that one until 2030.

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DBZ gag in the Tomodachi Life direct
Might actually get it if i can recreate my favorite DB characters and Cacs in it.

>>555577038
Good luck

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>>555577038
good idea

>>555576445
>Granolah arc is not even considered
You are genuinely insane if you think they are remaking Super in a manga-friendly remaster with manga's story after the ToP and only cover one of them

>>555578783
>in a manga-friendly remaster
There has been exactly 0 word said on 'manga-friendly' in the announcement.

>>555578783
so manga friendly they completely memoryholed Toyotaro yeah
also i'm assuming anon's point is that it's gonna take a while anyway, especially if super's remaster actually does the whole thing like some are expecting (i personally believe they're just gonna touch up the bog and rof arcs and nothing else)

>>555579094
It would make no sense for them to redo all of Super when Moro is slated for 2027 and Beerus alone is only gonna start in Fall of this year.

>>555579304
yeah my same reasoning

>>555567289
I never liked the SSG effect, but I think its even worse in the remaster. I hate anything that obscures the linework too heavily.

>>555570128
Posting shartnga pages is still considered a huge faux pas around here, just so you know.

>>555579304
>>555579094
They could reasonable do a FMI style remaster of DBS within the year of time before DBS Moro's production is set to finish (according to Ajay).
Generally most DBS arcs aren't very long and mostly padded out by non-arc episodes or literal fight padding. You could probably shorten each arc to roughly this
>Kami to Kami + Fukkatsu no F
12 Episodes.
>Universe 6
8 Episodes. (20)
>Goku Black
12 Episodes. (32)
>Universal Survival
Could easily be shortened to two cour, 24 episodes (go watch the FMI edited version and compare it to the original, and then rewatch DBS). And these aren't super intensive productions- there will be new scenes, but much of the work is already design.
Designworks are done.
Backgrounds are done.
Storyboarding is mostly done.
Scripting is done.
A lot of the animation work is, of course, done.
Much of this will still just be touching up with some new scenes, and I imagine most new scenes will be focused on heightening the action.

People write fanfiction, like this will be a complete remake, but they call this an 'Enhanced Version' for a reason. Some new scenes, but mostly touching up existing ones is the plan.

>>555579094
Toyotaro has always been credited for the art, not the story, even during Moro's arc days. He's not doing the art so there's no reason to credit him in the same fashion as Toriyama.

>>555581701
Already banned from there? lmao

>one whole year of daimafags saying DBS is not canon because it didn't feature fart diffusion and a ripoff design of Zeno
>The whole fucking year of retards being the largest hypocrites ever, bashing Super for focusing on expanding pantheons and cosmology and soft retcons for Daima to do the same at the most worse extent and insisting Super getting ignored means that will stop
>now they switch to bargaining saying they'll slip in a mention or new scene featuring Wal-Mart SS4 Goku and Trollz feat SS3 Vegeta
The best part is that nobody is interested making a manga for that shit.
Safe to say Daima is being shelved unless the Daima CGI movie is still real. (Face it, we're not getting yearly Super)

>>555578783
>and only cover one of them
It literally says GALACTIC PATROL arc.
Goku quits Galactic Patrol in the final fight with Moro, it's gonna end there, maybe showing the 7-3 cliffhanger if you're lucky.

>>555585654
Daima CGI movie was just a retarded rumor from one fanboy on twitter who went and spammed under everyone's profiles.

The series flopped in both ratings and merch sales. It also killed SZ's reception so much they're doing a soft reboot now with actual wanted characters.

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"This. This is the one they'll never remake."

>>555582936
>Toyotaro has always been credited for the art, not the story,
But he wrote entire story of Moro...

>>555586376
Did Torishima didn't watch Path to Power, the intro of Daima, or 40th Anniversary tribute?

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>>555587930
Never heard of those! *raughs*

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>>555585654
I don't believe this will appear in DBS Beerus; but if it did, in the place it could appear in, the fanbase would be on fire and start having intense debates on which GT character can survive the Super gauntlet.

>>555588485
This fanbase doesn't need that to start these debates. They'll imaginary pretend that Beerus would flick SS4 despite having no argument towards it, except "b-b-but its before BoG" (which is false btw)

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>>555588485
SSGfags making this meme is ironic, when their form got canonically finger flicked by someone much weaker than Beerus mind you.

>>555590703
>opponent my hero defeated

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BEAST

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>>555593554
>Super Buu (Vegito Absorbed) is omnipotent
Could he put up a good fight against Kakashi?

>>555593554
Why would toriyama say buu is omnipotent and have him lose? Is he stupid? Is vegito simply beyond omnipotence?

>>555594618
>Is vegito simply beyond omnipotence?
He is. Moving around as a chocolate ball despite the chocolate beam being Buu's best move is proof of it.

GT's never been remade because it's already perf- KEK I CAN'T

>>555593554
I always found funny that Buu's tentacle head grows as he becomes stronger for no apparently reason.

>>555595471
Originally it was to represent the ss3 gotenks was in, but it just kind of goes back to being long again after buuhan happens for some reason

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>>555595713
It was also a little longer than his default Super Buu form even as Buuccolo. It seemed to be a conscious choice of Buu's power growth. It's also cute Toriyama made two different versions of Buuccolo, as the Buuccolo right after Gotenks defuses doesn't have a shirt.

>>555585712
>It literally says GALACTIC PATROL arc.
... and the Beerus arc says "DBS BEERUS". They are using different subtitles for each arc.

>>555585654
Daima will get a comedic spinoff by Oiishi

>>555587007
That's my argument. Even when Toyotaro wrote (almost) the entire Moro arc DBS still promoted itself as "story by Toriyama, art by Toyotaro". Toyotaro isn't drawing for the anime so naturally it should say "story by Toriyama" and nothing else in the anime version. Expecting the arc Toyotaro wrote to remove Toyotaro stuff because his name isn't there so far is idiotic

>>555595402
Gt's never been remade because it's already perfect.

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IT'S HAPPENING

>>555598617
Offscripted: anon unleashed his shart on his gamer seat

>>555598617
Perfectly shit

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I actually do want a GT remake.
Just a comfy 6 episode OVA that recaps the first two arcs of the show.

...So the English dub?

Toleransu should be added to Sparking Zero as a GT rep.

>>555602684
Who

>>555579004
All the leakers who talked about Super Kai confirmed it, you may as well say they are only redoing Beerus because "there has been exactly 0 word said on RoF or U6 arc in the announcement"
If we go only by official reveals we are getting DBS Beerus and DBS GP, absolutely nothing else.

>>555600195
Remakes suck I don't want them. Only remake I would possibly want is one that connects all the movies + GT to the main canon and fixes plot holes but they would never do that, they'll just make a shitty cg remake of something that was already animated better (so the best part of gt, it's artwork, would suffer if they made a remake) and cut tons of jokes out for being offensive and other content because they don't have the budget/were too lazy or whatever.

>galactic patrol coming out
>roasterfag come out of the woodworks
OH MY FUCKING GOD LET IT END ALREADY

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>>555579004
It's literally said in the Super website
Toyo won

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>>555604985
There's no stopping Luigi.

>>555603734
I don't give a shit about fake leakers.

>>555605820
The original manga means Toriyama's Dragon Ball, you actual down syndrome patient.

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>>555603228
A perfect character in a perfect scene from a perfect series.

>>555608924
>this BoG adaptation is going to deliver a more faithful representation of the manga where it doesnt happen

>>555609363
It overwhelmingly doesn't happen in the DBS Manga either. What they mean is "we are making it better" and removing Z filler references where applicable.

>>555609363
You realize there's no 'original manga' for BOG, right? It was a movie first.

They know that the other half of Moro's arc is bad, right?

>>555610302
Both half of Moro are shit.

>>555610302
its still better than anything toei has ever written

Toei wrote the GT Special which I really like even if I dislike the rest of GT

>>555616163
wtf this isn't in the original right? is this a new video?

>>555616557
Yeah it's a leaked part of OGDB Kai

>>555616691
dont lie to me is this shit ai

>>555616163
Kek. I remember the last time this was posted. I did NOT expect it to go that way.

>>555616752
I would never lie to you, this is a more faithful representation of the original manga where she does that, Toei censored it

>>555616163
How did Toei get away with this?

>>555544134
>>555562979
>>555563608
What were the side quests like in DBO? I played one of the revival ones, but I remember being miserable and just waiting for something interesting to happen.

>>555616901
this shit ai. parodieparadise where you at

>>555609124
Oh, the Gay Tranny representation, got it

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What are your thoughts on chadly's family?

>>555606121
Are you a parrot and you think that guy is just a generic boogeyman? I wish but no, it's just the reject who comes here to project his ban and his childhood of bullying

>>555608924
>this version of BoG is a more faithful representation of the series that never included BoG
?

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>>555620798
Sorry to tell you this anon, but there is more than one turbo autist in /dbg/. But yes I know that guy, he is me.

>>555620995
A more faithful representation of Dragon Ball, yes. Not adaptation.

>>555610046
>You realize there's no 'original manga' for BOG
Toriyama's napkin notes count as one i'm sure

>>555621613
Anyone who still stays there is a turbo autist, yeah, but we are talking about one certain, specially autistic and annoying shitposter, not any random dumbass from that shithole

>>555621674
>Super Kai's Beerus arc is a representation of the series that never had a Beerus arc

>>555623408
It's incredible how much Toyopaco discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

>>555616163
We need more Bulma/Goku /ss/

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>>555623196
>Ummm, they are autistic, and annoying!
Still doesn't narrow it down that much. Hell you could bring up the screen caps of them threatening to shoot up a convention and that still would narrow it down. Never could for the life of me figure out why me saying it was so surreal, when you had people talking like that on the server every other day.

>>555620427
We need 1000 Guy to reenact some of the Broly memes for this to stick

>>555609363
>>555620995
I know people here haven't read the DBS manga and generally don't speak English, but the wording is deliberate.
When it says "original manga", it's just a rough translation of 原作, meaning original work, which is used in reference to the original Dragon Ball manga. The same term is used in the first line when referring to "based on Akira Toriyama's original work, story, and character design" in the Japanese.
It's likely just referring to the original work of Akira Toriyama in the second instance- whether that is the manga or his drafts for Battle of Gods isn't made clear. If you want an MTL of the Japanese page, it says (for that section):
>This work has been "enhanced" by adding a large number of new scenes, redrawing the story, and reconstructing the story. With the latest visual expression, the battle scenes are more realistic and the original is reproduced more precisely.

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>>555626118
As a final addendum, generally when it says being faithful to the "original work", that moreso means, in my view, fulfilling the original promise of DBS itself, which is presenting the 'next' Toriyama work, which is why it would reference the original manga.
If they meant the Dragon Ball Super manga, it wouldn't be phrased that way for a start, but generally it can't really be a faithful adaptation of that manga. Mainly because this is predominately a recut and this arc doesn't really exist in said manga.
When it says "faithful to the original work" what it means is faithful to Toriyama's style and tendencies, that you are watching Toriyama's Dragon Ball.
Not wording this too well but I also can't be assed to care too much about posts that will likely just be targeted or used by retards on both sides who will never have sex and will still be arguing here about the same shit no matter what happens.

Gohanfag, btw.

>>555626118
2013 BoG and Super BoG are two separate things. Manga BoG is the original work for Super BoG because it's the closest to Toriyama's draft. It's as simple as that.

>>555626884
>2013 BoG and Super BoG are two separate things.
Yes, and Toriyama provided notes for both.
>Manga BoG is the original work for Super BoG because it's the closest to Toriyama's draft. It's as simple as that.
No, it is not. Please actually read the manga before speaking on it.

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>>555626867
>When it says "faithful to the original work" what it means is faithful to Toriyama's style and tendencies, that you are watching Toriyama's Dragon Ball.

So exactly what the Super manga is, since he closely supervised it.

>>555623490
>you just don't understand how BoG would represent OGDB
Sure, anon. Keep telling yourself that.

>>555627576
>>555626118
>>555626867

>>555627441
No, because that isn't the original work. That's not what "Original Work" is used to refer to in that context.
But again, you people had to have not read the DBS manga to think anything could adapt a Kami to Kami arc from its materials, because that arc doesn't exist in the manga, not really. What exists is a summary, it's basically nothing after the first chapter, just the cliffnotes of the few retcons that needed to be made and the general idea of what happened in the show version. It's not a real arc and it's not something that could be adapted at all.

>>555627828
Not him but
>it doesn't exist
>well it does but it's short so it doesn't count
Sounds like a weird hill to die on

>>555628051
Again, you people need to actually read the manga, because it sounds like none of you have when you claim that it's going to be a faithful adaptation of the manga.
When I say it doesn't exist, it's because I wouldn't call that "arc" in the manga a real arc. I wouldn't call it a story. It's a heavily abridged summary that might have more narration text boxes than actual dialogue in some chapters, but nobody here knows that because nobody arguing this has read the manga apparently.

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>Dragon Ball fans whenever Toyotaro is mentioned
I see why Toriyama was credited as being the one behind everything for Galactic Patrol anime. You people are mentally ill, and I should know.

>>555628263
For further context on this, I actually pulled out my copy of the manga.
If this remake or remaster or whatever is six episodes, do you want to know the adaptation rate it would have to "faithfully adapt" the manga?
It would adapt ten pages per episode.
Not ten chapters. Not ten volumes. Ten pages. Per episode.
That is because this arc is only about 65~ pages long, discount bonuses and chapter covers and it's about 60 pages. More of volume one is spent on Universe 6 than it is on Kami to Kami, because this isn't really an arc, it's a recap of a film with a few retcons.

But none of this matters to any of you, none of you read the manga, you're just here to autistically die on hills because you have nothing better to do.