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>What is Duet Night Abyss?
Duet Night Abyss is a free-to-play action role-playing game where all the characters and weapons can be obtained for completely free by grinding or farming them in-game.
>FAQ (Read this for an introduction to the game)
https://rentry.org/dnaguide
Character recommendations can be slightly outdated. Please follow the Immersive Theater cycle or ask in thread for more up-to-date character recommendations.
>Useful Links
https://rentry.org/edyo3dhz
>1.1 Update
https://youtu.be/GOU47aBcOv4
https://youtu.be/cFfDix5BmPQ
https://youtu.be/yBZ4gwi6DnI
https://twitter.com/DNAbyss_EN/status/1999430277089677380
>Current Events
Fushu Myriad, Free Qipao: Dec 23 – Feb 10
Covenant of Avian Spirit: Jan 5 – Jan 26
Roaring Drills: Cannon Minigame: Jan 20 – Feb 10
>Upcoming Events
Phoxhunter Summit- Anemo: Endgame Ranking Event: Jan 23 – Feb 2
>Theater Cycle
Kezhou's Theater- Hydro and Lumino: Jan 20 – Feb 10
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first for anon's wife
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>>555599559
Do not forget your
Daily
>Memo
>Bard's Tome
>Expeditions
Daily Extra
>pre-craft 12 Gold Sand and 12 Repulsive Crystals for future weapons
Weekly
>Nocturnal Echoes
>Chase
>Mystic Maze
Special
>Theater every patch/half patch
>check for Geniemons every 3 specific days
>Fish shop
>Prism shop buy the 5 Prismatic Hourglasses every patch/half patch
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it finally happened... this is such a scam. and you don't even get anything of value in the process, those globule amounts are pathetic
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>>555599826
goddamn that artwork is amazing, i wish the game looked like this holy shit
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>>555600075
promotions for the 2d team, corporal punishment for the 3d team
https://files.catbox.moe/1kkcmj.mp4
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Oh no no no exploration cucks
I hope you didn't sell everything
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The 3D here looks pretty faithful?
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>>555584708
Fvark, too bad getting Embla to S5 would consume too much time. The event ends in like 2 days, right?
>>555584895
Hadn't built the weapon, but now that I look at its buff, it's pretty good. I'll craft it then, thanks
>>555588362
No idea why I'm not doing well. I'm guessing it has to do with wedges and introns. And yes, I'm using Pyro's skill before ulting
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Will do
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>>555602439
To have for either Projectiles or Sharpening Potions. It can take hours to craft the sands and crystals. You can craft the gold tier material while opening letters since it's only 30mins. That way you can start crafting a weapon right away.
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>>555604845
Nah. Just invested in Psyche.
SS here, i had invested loosely on her and just by investing a little bit more i was able to push my score a lot further
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>chinks trying not to mention wind in names challenge
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>>555600712
>new skin covers left breast mole
>reveals a 2nd breast mole
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Yeah but on the event page it says the event lasts for another 10 days however the passes expire in 3 days.
Is there a 3rd phase I missed or is the event just gonna stick around for an extra 7 days so people can look at the ranking?
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I REALLY need "Luno" in the first half of the title so I can rock "Luno Lover."
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>>555609259
Yeahhhh. Not gonna disagree, it's pretty ass that it goes into a second line.
But what i dislike even more is that we barely have actual cool titles. When i saw Demon King in the luno event i thought i could finally have Demon King Lover as my title. Then
>both titles are on the right part
This shit is so ass. Why can't we have more generic things and concepts so people can actually make funny titles.
Even pure-white strength is kind of a stretch, if we had decent options.
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My nigga
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>>555610602
Because of the twin tails.
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I'M BACK INTO THE TOP 100 BABYYYYYYYYY LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Working. Can't open the game right now.
Was Psyche, Truffle, Fina and Pyrootail.
Weapons signature scythe, embla, apocalypses bow, dreamweaver.
Regular meta build.
I just made some of the purple into golds and improved them a little bit and shit
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>>555615045
but in dna, children rape you.
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>>555614807
>adding shit on top of shit
they are 100% doing that, that's the entire development model for these kinds of games. It's not mutually exclusive with occasionally going back and reworking old shit though. Might even sell some new skins while marketing the new and fancy X rework if the devs aren't retarded
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>>555614513
in the part where they asked what character designs they should use, outside the choices like mecha, exotic, etc, i wrote "slime girl, skeleton girl with gelatinous body, snake girl that summons a giant snake OR a the girl is a lamia, spider girl, harpy girl, young boy that summons a muscley fire spirit"
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>70 pulls secured to guarantee Zhiliu's limited skin
>+10 Electro wedges ready and waiting
>2 dupes ready for her sig weapon
>meanwhile my Psyche is still using +5 wedges because I only like playing older women
Goddamn I love being a hagchad.
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>>555615549
us hagchads keep winning. The youngest they should go is hebes like Su Yi.
>>555615626
Because non-pedos won't use their powers so it doesn't matter
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>>555611953
I've made some upgrades thanks to anons' suggestions. Pic rel, circled in yellow is what has changed compared to >>555563448
Also, with this build, I found that getting all the way up to the ceiling is better than merely hovering above the mobs, it's especially good at dealing with shield niggers
And so, with this build and strat, I'm reliably clearing with, on average, 134 seconds left
Compared to the 134 seconds average, Fina's weapon contributes with ~6 seconds, purple Turbulent Cyclone +5 contributes with ~6 seconds, Midnight Sun +9 on Truffle contributes with ~15 seconds and on Saiki contributes with ~33 seconds. It's kinda hard to measure the impact of skills, but I believe they easily contributed with 30% of the damage these wedges and Fina's weapon are doing
Btw, after writing all this, I managed to get Truffle's skill to 10, and decided on equipping Onslaught on Fina, but the average clear time didn't budge
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>>555615453
don't care, hoyoverse partially did it with star rails's hysilens, i want my gelatinous girl
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Don't reply to antipedo bait.
Even in the off chance it is a retard legitimately posting these, why would you take someone that plays THIS game and pretends to be antipedo. Thats just denial.
But yeah, it must be bait
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>>555616525
I genuinely believe that being a pedo is weird. I simply don't view the kids as sexual objects and find it odd that other people do so.
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>>555613641
Instead of checking my shit ass subpar build that i just slightly improved, get it from people like >>555616036
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>>555616787
Are you expecting people arguing like that here of all places to have the ability to distinguish?
As i said, if it's legitimate it's retarded.
If it's bait, it's weak.
Both should be ignored, honestly
>>555617151
I can like both types of characters
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>>555617773
You must pass an evaluation in the YumYum Customs. It is recommended to come rested
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>snow and tabethe ooze sex appeal
>lisbell is a literal personification of the "UOH correction needed! ToT" meme
>there's an entire race of (canonically) submissive loli onaholes
>fina has a womb piercing
>lolis are still getting put into sexy outfits even if they are slightly censored
What drives someone who hates lolis to play a lolige? Or is it just the angelocord pulling their usual "uhm actually X hates lolis now" shitpost angle?
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>>555617920
In contrast to me, they probably have Midnight Sun at +10, Wings Inspo Resolve at +10, Prismatic Neon at +10, Turbulent Cyclone at +10, and most Primes at +7 or +8, as well as an I5 Fina AND Truffle
That's all the stat juice you can extract. You could try and use sanity pots, but their usage is clunky in stages where you want to clear as fast as possible
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>>555617920
Also Rank 65
S5 Rendhusk instead of Excraduo.
BP Pet
Maybe building DPS fina to help kill while buffing?
Perhaps another Blaze Volition instead of duel to hug strat?
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>Might even sell some new skins while marketing the new and fancy X rework if the devs aren't retarded
That's why I don't get why they seem to hesitant on buffing/reworking the weaker character. Even if they still aren't on par with the top tiers, some people like a character enough to make it work. They won't mind as long as it's less than a 2x damage difference.
This patch would've been a great time to buff Sibylle. Some will grind her I6 and sig, some might buy skins for her, some whales might swipe to skip the grind. Zhiliu might want an electro combat partner for her 2nd passive. It's probably going to be electro theater with electro summit, perfect time to bring her back to add some character variety. Throw Randy buffs in there too if they want.
We could've had content with the 2 mommy antagonists that happen to be electro teaming up.
I guess they think adding some crazy new hp-based wedge will be enough to make her viable.
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>Or is it just the angelocord pulling their usual "uhm actually X hates lolis now" shitpost angle?
That group usually starts conspiracies from something and exaggerate facts to affect the perception of a game as a whole. As an example if all of a sudden lolis weren't getting released in a while or outfits for lolis were modified in a special way than normal then they would start a campaign about Decabear hating lolis.
At best it's that tranny mika who is a retard that posts weak bait on his own then gets angry and calls the group for help.
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>>555619093
idk who they are but my opinions on lolis are my own. I don't need some retarded discord shadow cabal to talk about finding loli content odd at best. This game is as much of a lolige as it is an otomege because we have the same number of lolis as we do men so I don't see the point of that argument
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>>555619805
have a fully maxed psyche out psyche+fina+truffle. Kill lvl 110 stage in PH summit as quickly as possible. Repeat that stage until you lose your mind for 4,800 carmine per run.
>>555619923
your trans blacksmith luno?
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do i need to actually kill it? if i only have i1 psyche and purples and i screwed?
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>all that farming
>stuck at 1.55m
I must be missing some strat. Across Psyche, Truffle and Fina only 3 core wedges aren't +10 and even those are at the very least +8. Dreamweaver is s4 and only Arclight Apocalypse is the one without any smelting level. I refuse to believe all those people have maxed everything.
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>>555620192
>silly character with silly moustache
>trans
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>>555621231
the more bait you eat the higher your score you're just jealous i got the bait before you I'm nibbling on it right now sucker
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>t.
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>>555622583
Idk how big of a difference +14% on pig boost and +300 atk boost is, but it is one advantage some of the top rankers have.
>>555622749
According to the theory, it should be Hellfire then Truffle. They might let us know with the V1.2 PV coming up in about 3.5 hours.
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>Idk how big of a difference +14% on pig boost and +300 atk boost is, but it is one advantage some of the top rankers have.
Well, I have i2 Truffle, I also have +10 Turbulent Cyclone, +10 Prismatic Neon and my Psyche Wedges are +10 except for +9 Serpent Resolve and +8 Prime Resolve and I can't really score higher than 1.55m.
I do have a 3rd +10 Blaze Voli but hugging the boss with it just made me score lower than playing around Duel.
Also, having to use sanity pots fucking sucks and I only have like a 100 of them to craft.
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>>555625681
use her skill, then polearm charging atk, then hold down fire during the charge attack windup animation
anyone can do it with a ledge, but rhythm can do it anywhere
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Next themed skin leaked:school uniform
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cute!
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>>555628886
>bookmarked Midnight Sun
>just kept crafting it until I ran out of BPs
>about to +10 it
>"wtf, I got 4 Midnights?"
>turns out I wasted time and resources on an 11th Midnight I didn't even know I had
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>there are men ITT who want their wife's sexy panties to be upskirted by passing strangers
>they will post their wife's panties online for everyone to see
onlyfans has destroyed men
like it or not the CCP WILL restore traditional values and you WILL become husband material
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cute!
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there're actually 2 costumes next patch
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1.2 Trailer
We got mounts
https://youtu.be/9fAP0tO44Yo
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>>555642625
FVARK
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sexiest costume yet
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>>555642625
they fucking cooked with these cosmetics holy shit
>>555642908
wuwa got shit on by endfield though
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>>555642625
cute & funny or thicc & milky
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dang
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mc looks so cute
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>>555643162
im buying cosmetics finally
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here's your outfit for the patch
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>>555643342
I wish the MC skins would show up in either the story or the other times she pops out. It would be nice to have her going around in a different outfit each patch. atm, you don't see the MC skins very often.
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wedge event
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this changes EVERYTHING
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>>555643036
retarded hoyobot
WuWa faces are distinct and you would know that if you actually used your brain and paid attention to your shitposting gif instead of reaction emotionally and assuming the meaning.
>>555643057
>wuwa got shit on by endfield though
In what way?
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>>555626273
too slow.
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Holy shit, are they actually correctly flat?
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>>555644606
yeah we are going to be able to make our own cosmetics with this, in Tower of Fantasy it has the same thing you can make a cosmetic suit a different style its great
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>in what way
we was talking about 2d to 3d so take a guess
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>>555644606
flat fina?
i approve. but i like breast expansion fina.
i just like all hebes.
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>>555642625
uohhhh they're back
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>>555644790
Kinda hard to tell. I think breast sizes just aren't as clear from the front for this skin. Doesn't seem flat, this was the closest to side angle I could find.
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>>555644798
>out of nowhere
>implying
not only a retarded bot but also a disingenuous nigger
only you subhumans repost that gif thinking it proves anything other than your retardation
>wuwa has sameface to the extreme you delusional retard
No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it won't be true. WuWa has distinct face shapes and anyone who isn't blinded by hate can see that. It also has the richest character expressions of all Genshin-likes. Those are objective facts. Picrel is just one of charas and many ways she can smile. That's more smile variations than many games have expressions total.
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>>555644606
>tfw it's possible accessory customization will allow you to lower these shades over the eyes
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>no one knows what gif you're taking about retarded wujeet
>still doubling down on being a disingenuous nigger
You literally dropped the name of it, pathetic izzat farmer.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/image/E1orV9m5xL0ZwMn4mYHQFQ/
You're mentally ill.
>you're that deep in your gachashit arguments no one here gives af about
Except you're the one who brought it up? I simply responded to a guy comparing DNA to WuWa with an on topic elaboration of his comparison.
Meanwhile you started sperging out about how much you hate WuWa and it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.
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>You literally dropped
you dropped it retarded wujeet, gachaslop literally rotted your brain completely.>>555642908
you're the one who brought up gachashit to try to shit on dna retard, the conversation is literally in the thread.
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>>555646458
Retarded nigger, learn how to read the conversations.
I >>555642908 responded to >>555637236
Read, nigger, read. Or just kill yourself because we both know you're a pathetic subhuman who only lives to mindlessly shit on one game from enemy camp.
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>>555646648
retarded wujeet, you're literally proving yourself wrong you retard. you're literally mentioning gachashit to try to shit on the game, kill yourself first and spare the thread your stupidity considering you literally showed yourself to have gachashit images ready to post at a moment's notice.
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Still waiting for the livestream but honestly I just want to quit now. Seems pointless building anything else when they aren't going to fix the weapons anyways. If the next skin isn't cool I don't even feel like logging in for hourglasses anymore either. 1.0 was so good bros what happened?
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its crazy to me that gacha banners exist in this game for outfits, just make it a set price and keep it in the shop, imagine how many people missed out on fushu or psyches outfits and now zhiliu and can never get them again, just make it $20-30 each with everything included into a bundle like aura weapon skin etc its a easy sell. maybe im missing something maybe they make more money this way
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one million globs!
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>>555646812
No matter how many times you respond, it won't change the fact you're wrong, izzat farmer. You're being incredibly repetitive with your false and empty accusations and refusing to address what I bring up and you continue ignoring facts.
>you're literally mentioning gachashit to try to shit on the game
Once again, wrong. Read my posts before responding to them, stupid nigger. It was already covered. You can continue shitting yourself, just like you do in your everyday life. Feces is all you know in your festivals and feces is your entire existence. You don't exist to me anymore, I already exposed your lies and you exposed your insane obsession with spouting false narratives against any logic.
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>>555647259
no matter how many times you cope, if won't change the fact that you mentioned gachashit to try to shit on the game, wujeet. you'll keep coping when your comment is right there a scroll up away..
>Read my posts before responding to them, stupid nigger.
read your own posts before posting them, retarded jeet. don't come into another general to try to shit on the game with gachatrash unless you want hostile responses retarded indian. gachashit did irreparable damage to your cognition, get well
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>>555648350
you're too late, the better Electro farmer releases next week
Rhythm is only good for warming benches (and cocks) now
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remember to save your phoxene for the spending event
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I'm looking forward to the uniform
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A lone Nifle, seen from on high... what treasure does she keep, glinting at her feet?
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They really made a fuckload of cosmetics for next patch
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Returner System
Patches are long enough that skipping 2 weeks to trigger it isn't a horrible idea
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which of you is this
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What's the current go-to letter farm? Is it still the pillar or the fina hole? I thought I saw something about a pipe or a vent mentioned before, is that a thing?
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>>555642625
The moment I read mounts I immediately knew we would get a filbert one
Also woah sailor uniforms
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>F2P vs Whale skin
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>>555652150
blessed anon, i will use this knowledge posthaste
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>accessory position/size customization is inbound
oh shit they actually managed to leapfrog warframe on this one lmao
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>>555651083
This game was always self-insert based.So you know what this means for female vita pickers
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>>555647259
Dude, you are unhinged. Holy meltdown
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>>555651959
if you just want letters and have i6 rhythm then explore20 is totally worth the resets
put her in the tism corner
ideally you reset at like 20 to 30 waves or so when it starts to slow down, but if you've got some wedges on her then feel free to go all the way to wave 99
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>>555655640
Trying this but it seems a fair bit slower than the usual farm spots; is pic related cucking me out of drops due to range? Should I be popping on Abnegation to nerf my ult's range or something?
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>>555656495
I'm guessing we can get pig and wolf from the reputation system.
gold rarity and red rarity are gonna be rarer
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>>555656693
ult range doesn't matter at all for i2 rhythm, the only thing her range does anything for is the little explosion of electricity she has right when she casts ult, not the lightning she shoots out since that's fixed range
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>>555656693
They should all be spawning straight under you in a very tight area
Make sure you really press yourself into the wall or the enemies might spawn all around the room
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NTA but this is where I farm personally.
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>>555656918
Is this not the correct location? The room itself is identical to the one you're posting, but it seems like the connecting room is different; am I in the wrong autist timeout corner?
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Yeah that's where I usually farm, albeit standing in the pillar itself
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>>555657761
i see, i see...
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I stopped going onto the pillar lol too much work to jump up. I go down anyways around wave 15 or something to pick up ALL the loots that are left on the ground near where the thing to trigger the enemies is.
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>to pick up ALL the loots that are left on the ground near where the thing to trigger the enemies is
this is what i've been doing as well, but it seems like that's not necessary with the spot in >>555657761 as all enemies spawn right under you. The only downside I'm having with it is getting the right map to spawn; it seems like that specific map is rarer than the other one.
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>mounts
I wonder if Pan might be trying to take some elements from MMORPGs now.
Big ass dragon whale mount vs basic wolf F2P mount is a classic MMO experience.
The multiple hp bar display in the Phoxhunter Summit is something I've only seen in KRMMOs. (Lost Ark, Dungeon & Fighter, Vindictus)
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newer Star Rail bosses have multiple bars too.
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I did have some kmmo flashbacks when I saw the x30 hp bar kek. I think it was TERA that started with normal hp bars but then had to switch to that x50 shit because everything got so bloated the classic hp bar would be losing like half a pixel per minute
Really not sure why we need mounts though, open world is a one and done thing and every point of interest has a teleport anyway
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Ah I guess that makes it somewhat uncertain where the devs got the idea from. Even if HSR got it from KMMOs, we can't be sure if Pan's devs did the same or if they only played HSR.
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Yeah I'm not sure when I would use a mount for efficiency. We'd have to see how it's implemented.
I guess if weapons were ever made to be useful, people might want to equip non-polearms or polearms w/o PA. A mount would allow all characters to still have something better than base mobility. Maybe they could do some mount-only racing event.
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Stella Sora has multiple bars too
I've seen it in a few other places, but that's the most recent I can think of. No clue who did it first
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Haven't played terribly much since Fushu dropped
My Psyche despite being my strongest character and at I6 is probably only 40-50% of the way to being fully built. Is it still worth the time/effort to take her to full build or is she 'on the way out' for lack of a better term, and I'm better off investing in Zhiliucoin in the coming version instead and revisiting psyche later on?
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>>555664854
Try out the current event, Summit.
if she can get 1.2Mil points against the Lv110 stage then consider her fully built
I'm convinced this is Anemo's last big shill. We are going to get 2 Thunder character next patch, so I'm maxing their wedges now.
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Multiple "health bars" definitely go way back. Though I think the style where it has so many bars that it uses a number counter is something more relatively recent.
The other old example that came to my mind is Yiazmat from FFXII where it has 50 bars of hp. It's presented differently though, showing 50 chunks of hp that you whittle down instead of a number.
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Yeah I was using theatre and this event as a comparison/benchmark between mine and what a built one should be.
I've used mine in every anemo theatre so far and she effortlessly clears it and gets me the character letters (don't really see much incentive to go further desu).
The event I can't quite beat the 110 version (best runs leave 5 health bars left, about 200k points). I can still farm goop at an okay speed with the 2nd difficulty in about 15-20 seconds for 200 tickets per but yeah it kind of exposes my build level. But realistically she will shit on any theatre in the future that she can enter, and unless they do another endgame mode like this (for anemo) I'm not sure how much I'll get out of her
I kind of get the sense its anemo's last big shill too. Even though there will be reasons to use her still I'm sure I'd be surprised if they brought out even more anemo-only wedges when its got so much already.
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the fuck did they do. why private
they just showed a fuck ton of cosmetics and some event previews
it's still up on twitter
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2017029081728950272/vid/avc1/256 0x1440/MDcq60Z_CSfgVkeK.mp4
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>reuploaded the whole video to fix 1 typo
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>Combine any 3 Blue-tier Demon Wedges to synthesize 1 random Blue-tier Demon Wedge.
>Combine any 2 Purple-tier Demon Wedges to synthesize 1 random Purple-tier Demon Wedge.
How good is this going to be?
decent way to turn the shit wedges into useful fodder? or will it just reroll them into the ones you don't want 99% of the time
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I can probably +9 all my volitions today, the question is do I still want to push higher than my current rank? That also means I'd have to nuke all my hoarded books since that takes farming 10 Volitions from about an hour to 30 minutes. It also takes like what? 25 100% books to get all 10?
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If I go +9 on all Volitions, I might actually be able to hit around 50's or 60's as well. I just don't want to get kicked off the top 100 just because if there's a server top 100 title, at least I could claim that.
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>The multiple hp bar display in the Phoxhunter Summit is something I've only seen in KRMMOs. (Lost Ark, Dungeon & Fighter, Vindictus)
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Honestly I really like this competitive grind event. I'm not anywhere near where I'd need to be to get a meaningful rank. But I hate not being able to do something so when I couldn't clear the highest level I had more motivation to play the game and build my characters than I have in a long time. And it was really nice seeing the progress as my wedges improved.
Glad they're bringing it back for 1.2 too
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I dunno I know one of the guys in the top 10 and his build is literally the same as mine but with all +10 wedges and that also includes the supports and the only important one for the support is Wings Inspo Resolve, Cyclone, and Neon.
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Nvm, you're using Pyrootail instead of Anemelf.
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Hmm, I just realized the next Phoxhunter Summit might be the actual P2W one if it's electro. There's no way to get I6 Zhiliu F2P unless Apex takes place near the end of the version, on the 4th week after entering Nocturnal Echoes.
I6 Rhythm is usable but I doubt she can compete with I6 Zhiliu for the top rank, maybe I6 Yuming too. I guess if your goal is the 50-60s range then you're not competing with those whales anyways.
If there's over 60 people that swipe for I6 Zhiliu/Yuming for this event... well at least the game might not go EoS that soon.
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>>555675827
>restart
I got like 800+ tickets cause I've been grinding. At this point I don't want to restart even bad runs. I want more gobules and cash.
>>555675870
Well Electro is the second type I personally farm cause I need to make my Rhythm stronger for farming but it might be Sybille or if there's another actual Electro they release. If they make it P2W they will kill this game cause it really breaks the balance between free players and paid/semi free/free.
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Kek this game is cooked if the admins just let botters be in the top rankings.
>>555676019
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Ah, that makes sense.
Usually fly around with her, so didn't think about that.
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>>555676213
iirc main reason we thought hydro next was because of the streamer leaking placeholder wedges
a different one made a build guide for Nifel and leaked placeholder lumino wedges
at this point any element could be next
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It was for Kezhou, unless I missed one for Nifle. But yeah, now we don't know if content creators simply had access to the new wedges for all elements. They had hydro wedges on their v1.1 build and lumino wedges presumably still on the same version.
I also thought we'd be getting a new set on the mid-patch cycles. If we get only 1 set of elemental wingspo per update, it'll take almost a year to cover all of them.
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>If we get only 1 set of elemental wingspo per update, it'll take almost a year to cover all of them.
dear god, i hope that's not the case.
hopefully they'll do something similar like what they're doing with zhilliu and purple guy for the elemental wedges and increase the number they pump out in future patches
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its around the same price for the discount box anyway and then it gives a reason not to add limited pulls in there like other gacha monthly passes
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I don't know, I consistently get worse times doing the hug with 3 +10 Blaze Volis than running +10 Duel.
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>the school uniform is the same for all characters, regardless of body type
it would have been more SOVLful if the lolis got elementary uniforms (with randoseru, of course), the hebes got the standard uniform, and the hags got teacher outfits.
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>its around the same price for the discount box anyway
Then there's no reason to buy the discount box. They will expand via events what you can buy with Phoxene in the future.
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>>555678552
i thought those cosmetics will not be the ones previous and be a new batch that you cant purchase with money only phoxene could be wrong just need to wait and see that actually reminds me i need to get a couple monthly passes for this
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>I just realized the next Phoxhunter Summit might be the actual P2W one if it's electro
It might be one element behind the newest DPS releases just like this summit is anemo and not lumino. Next summit could be lumino and electro in 1.3.
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>I thought it was practically decided at one point,
According to what and who? Anyways, I'm not saying the devs won't make it electro but if they do, it's going to be an actual p2w summit so the initial backlash for this summit will seem like nothing compared to the shitstorm if they do make the next summit electro.
As for what element it should be, obviously lumino. Ketchup is lumino and people have had a lot of time building the strong lumino characters.
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>>555645929
>shades
On the topic, I gotta say it loudly because how ridiculous I find it. In a game where literally every character have some variant of horns sticking out, they added 'raised shades' cosmetic that FUCKING CLIPS THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM: FUCK.
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>>555679516
You didn't read what I said so I'll make it easy on your ADHD:
>1.0 releases Psyche as DPS
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>1.1 releases Kezhou as DPS
>summit is anemo for Psyche
>1.2 releases Zhiliu and Yuming as DPS
>summit is lumino for Kezhou
>1.3 releases Su Yi and Hilda
>summit is electro for Zhiliu and Yuming
>1.4 releases X and Y
>summit is pyro for Hilda
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>>555685205
30 energy. He drops it next to you.
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see >>555685424
z is your support skill
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how does this nigga only have 300 hours played? he's here all the time.
Does your time in the overworld not count toward your play time?
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This is duet night anemo.
And psyche is the only anemo character.
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Man Im glad we got a new Electro character
I never liked playing any of the ones we have now.
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>the wind awakening
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https://boarhat.gg/games/duet-night-abyss/tools/build-planner/?build=e JyrVkpWslIyNFPSUSrOBbJMjECsIpAYWKhc ySq6WikzBShgZAmSKwGyDIB0Gpiu1YFJWlj ikbQ0xCNpaoFPpwE-O_HpNMOn0wyLg2JBHg f5N680J0eHMAFSjxw8xia4LTS0MMPjGgN8T sUnaWiKV9KcFnYaYQl0UFAk4wg6kFw6UBnI MYng4AKmOLCsUjmEATIaQyy2FgC2FaSA
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I may be stupid but isn't the general rule of thumb for anyone to go for covenanter and then expand from there? They're both supports so I assume the griffin isn't the highest priority compared to their element exclusive and covenanter that you farm at the same time. Duration is the main stat on both.
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Those 2 in particular because they're your supports for Psyche?
And you want to maximize Psyche for Summit, right?
Well there's only so many wedges that support anyhow.
Very napkin math, but roughly
>Wingspo Resolve
20% final dmg
>Prime Uplift
15% final dmg
>Cyclone
10% final dmg
>Neon
10% final dmg
Prime Serenity and Gold Wingspo just help with sustain.
Start by getting all to +7 then work on whatever you feel like. They all take roughly the same time per power gained.
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Oh. And if you're using Duel then Uplift gets a bit worse
And I forgot nobody has +10 Consonance Wedges yet, so Neon is a bit better
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>Psyche and her weapon
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At least they're adding boss skill mat conversion in the next patch. Though idk why not just condense them into one generic mat at that point. Unless the exchange ratio won't be 1:1 or they're planning some other future use.
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its bullshit. there is no sense and balance in it, and why two bosses have the same mat, and what is it "accidentally" the most useless one of course?
Shoulve been single universal "skill mat" from the start
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>>555730859
Yes, by the time you start and get to tr 55 (99 percent of the complaints about the game is what happens after tr55) you'll be right near to the patch and there'll be a lot of fun events.
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>>555730859
The sooner you start the faster you can cram some weekly rewards to unlock some characters or weapons faster. If you get strong enough you can do the theatre mode to get the latest released character on day 1.
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>Asia top 5 is all 1.7m+
>America has only 2 1.7m+ scores
Although America rank 1 has 1.72m somehow, putting them above Asia rank 1. At TR64 too.
How is EU doing? I believe you guys have a higher potential ceiling since players could get +10 consonance wedges.
Also, one comment said if you enter with no supports, then summon them afterwards, it shows on the leaderboard as no support. If true, then having no supports displayed isn't actually a flex. Unless they can prove it was done without supports. I wonder if that also means you can have any 2 teammates show up without using them.
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>>555730740
you revert the situation.
they like adult cock and can take it just fine, that is why they go after (you).
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Psyche I2 isn't really a priority now, unless you really like her. Once summit ends in a few days, there might be a break in anemo-favored content since it's been the favored element since launch.
I'd say I2 Fina and I4 Fushu are bigger priorities since they're supports that can be used with most characters.
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second story.
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Fushu doesn't really synergize with Psyche. Foosh's intron buffs morale which is irrelevant, skill intensity buff doesn't help with the weapons and yes, you can spam your E freely but you're losing on so much resolve from the pig (both her passive and the cyclone wedge) that it doesn't even come remotely close when your task is to burst shit in the first ~40 seconds.
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Yeah no way it's solo, that would imply that the supports contribute so little it's negligible which is so far from the truth
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>skill intensity buff doesn't help with the weapons
It should help with it, unless the scaling only counts "base" skill intensity for some reason. The parts that wouldn't help with Psyche's weapon are Fushu's I1 and the bonus effect of her signature weapon since it only affects skill damage.
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If you want to be pedantic I should've said "doesn't meaningfully help" then. Ameno characters already have skill int out of the ass, it's a relatively small bump to the base stats of the weapons compared to separate multipliers that Truffle offers. Just test it yourself with different supports, it's night and day difference when it comes to single shot damage.
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I don't think it really counts as pedantic when the original statement means something else entirely. It's also the fact that helping with weapons is singled out when the issue you're describing also affects her E and I2.
I'm not disagreeing with the value of Fushu's skill int buff.
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I'm just kidding, this is my actual high score, but it would be heartbreaking if the first screenshot was the actual one.
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>thought Hellfire buffs was a 100 percent sure thing so used this week to get her letters
HEEEELP, SEND HEEEEELP
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>>555739670
Comparable to America then. Pretty much the same if rank 1 is trimmed out. I was hoping for at least one person there to score higher than all other regions with +10 cons wedges.
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Electro wedges mainly. Ravaging Thunder + covenanters, griffins, and prime. Maybe blue Pan's Inspo, blue Phoenix Wings, and blue Wings Inspo if electro wedges come out and the rumored ingredients are true.
6x sharpening potions to (hopefully) s2 her sig greatsword. s4 with the universal smelters. Unsure what her meta ranged will be, probably S5 excresduo.
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>>555746510
If you consider Su Yi cute then she's likely releasing in v1.3, some time in April.
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>1.4
Depressing
>Zhiliu
She's not really my type...
>>555747290
Cute enough. Every patch is 2 characters, right? Do we know who else comes out with her?
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Couldn't even kill this level 110 fucker when the event started
But after some days of grinding and working on my team (and mainly psyche) I can kill him with ~30 seconds to spare on a good run, about 550k points
Not sure if its worth trying to push out anymore. 600k for the shiny bro boxie avatar would be kind of nice but idk how much more psyche investment that is. I'm mostly happy I just got to a point I could kill the boss.
For farming globules its probably better to just blow up the 75 boss in 15 seconds for an easy 200 shop tokens rather than spend 2:30 on the 110 for 550-600? A lot less per ticket but my sanity benefits...
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75 boss is 50 points per pass, 13 points per second
110 boss is 120 points per pass, 4 points per second
so it depends if you value maximizing for time or getting the most out of your passes and don't care to farm more
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I'll probably just spam out the 75 until I'm low on tickets and then 110 until I'm bored of it then. Thanks
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Here's where it started >>555550680
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>>555755138
My truffle isn't particularly built so idk if that'd work for me, unless she's really just that strong even at very low investment. She's I0 and I haven't really worked on her wedges.
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>>555755969
I think DPS Truffle is
Prime Morale
Zephyr
Midnight Sun
Nirvana
4x Blaze Volition. In the far future swap for 1 for Wingspo Volition
HP WhipSword and Excreduo for weapons
Best noob supports are probably Maggie and Daphne.
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Truffle takes pretty much zero investment. Literally just level her skill for an All Dmg buff and take her passives for some Resolve. Slap on Cyclone and Serenity.
The run will feel worse. You will struggle for Sanity, but the damage gain is very noticeable. At least for me it was.
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Well I can tell you guys the rank 2 barely slept since starting the game lol. He's a madman.
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tried one with truffle to see and basically killing the boss right when the timer is expiring so its a good 30s or so slower. Might just not be using her right or the way I control psyche doesn't work with truffles buffs or something
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was never realistically going to happen once they announced the Hauxu roster. Only Fushu/Kezhou/Zhiliu/Yuming had been in a closed beta test and from datamines we've gotten Su Yi and Camilla are nowhere close to done. Considering we got Fushu/Kezhou first they really only had 2 choices from the roster to pick for 1.2
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You faggots lied to me.
I thought this game was free of fat bullshit, had no landwhale warframe or any of such bullshit.
FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS TO ME THEN
Fuck you with your obese friendly game
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>>555757482
You want a mix
WhipBlade stack. You have 15s
Skill > Ult
[ Normal 1+2, animation cancel the 2nd normal with a jump, plunge] x3
Skill
[ Normal 1+2, animation cancel the 2nd normal with a jump, plunge] x3
That's with 100% duration. Skill buff lasts 12s and it takes about 3s to jump on truffle so all the timings match. 6s on Cyclone.
If you don't have skill speed from Fushu then animation cancel the skill with a jump plunge.
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>>555755138
Couldn't get the truffle experiment to work out
But the midnight sun paid off big, +7 alone got me an extra 10s and let me hit 600k
Thanks anon
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>>555769794
I never really understood if those anons were trolling or serious. With all the Resolve shilling in Saiki's kit, and with all the Resolve shilling from the new wedges, you'd normally think "hmm, guess Resolve is the way to go"
Even after I did the math and posted it here, they just ignored it and kept defending Morale
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>>555769794
It puts in a lot of work when her passive isn't up. Summit was more like Chase then it would be fine.
Instead we got Expulsion Lv110 with a giga nigga
>>555770315
Need to grind them all equally anyway. Literally 1 wedge swap is nothing
Levels barely matter. 2% per level is less than 2% final damage since she's stacked on it anyhow.
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>>555769794
The event isn't really representative of anything because your objective is very specifically to burst stuff within your first (and last) resolve window. If it were amortized over a longer period that was impossible to cut down to 30 seconds, maybe there would've been value in having some morale and fushu on board, since once the window ends you're at full hp from all the spamming and your dps just plummets. As it is right now is like that old story about a missile having a memory leak in its software that nobody was going to fix because the missile will always explode sooner than it runs out of memory.
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Su Yi concept art/sketches. Maybe myriad skin?
Idk how leakers managed to get their hands on this.
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>>555772569
They also got it for the Icelake bard (Lirico). Though only like a quarter of it for some reason, doesn't really show much.
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>>555772569
>all these mechanical parts
I'M STROKING IT RN
STRAIGHT UP JORKING IT
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>>555772569
close enough, welcome backcasel sx
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>>555775531
Bikinis reveal the most skin overall but it doesn't always mean it shows more of every area. I made a shitty comparison pic with Fushu's bikini concept art to show what I mean. I wasn't sure how to properly compare them since Su Yi is shorter than Fushu. Maybe someone that's better at this can make a more accurate one.
Upon closer inspection, I see a slightly differently colored black patch for Su Yi in that area. Perhaps that's the designated limit of how far they can show skin. Then artist decided to cut it off right at that limit.
>>555773221
These pictures might not be the full image and the leaker just decided to make it in this dimension, probably with some editing. If they stuck concept arts into the textures, it would be odd to have Su Yi randomly be horizontal for one part, or for Lirico to have everything get cut off towards the edges.
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>>555777620
>Then artist decided to cut it off right at that limit.
Based artist saving the game from pussy devs!
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>>555777620
>it would be odd to have Su Yi randomly be horizontal for one part
it's not odd at all, it's exactly the kinda shit you have to do if you want to cram multiple images onto one square texture. As to why that happened my guess would be that some artists prefer to import reference artwork (or fragments of reference artwork) and slap it onto some plane in-engine while working on the assets instead of juggling multiple desktop windows. It's not super common, but not unheard of either. Idk where else would some random russian dataminer get concept artwork if not from the game files.
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I LOVE LOSING 100K+ POINTS JUST BECAUSE THE GIGANIGGA DECIDED TO JUMP EVERY 2 SECONDS I FUCKING LOVE IT BEST MECHANIC EVER SKILL BASED GAME OH YEAH
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Too small.
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is there content yet?
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*BANGS TABLE*
WAITER, WAITER, I NEED MORE SANITY POTS!
YOU'VE RAN OUT? THEN BRING ME SKILL EFFICIENCY!
YOU DON'T SERVE THAT? WHAT KIND OF BACKWARDS ESTABLISHMENT IS THIS?
DESPICABLE
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it'd be great if you could use ranged weapons on mounts, even better if you could get a wedge that lets you use it in commissions and it boosts ranged weapons. Like a dragoon.
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>do apex 2 days ago
>stuck at 1.55m
>get demotivated
>come back and do some more apex
>suddenly pulling these numbers without changing anything
Dangit man, if I got this score 2 days ago I wouldn't have gotten so demotivated. Now I have to try and push it further for this past days and a half.
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>>555786403
Thanks, and I keep getting better and better scored.
Dammit dude, why was I not scoring like this days ago? If I didn't get demotivated and kept grinding I probably could have broken into top 10.
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>>555770214
So it was 2 people? There was further math done afterwards that indicated the ideal would be a ~50% hp build where you use both.
>>555769794
I tried it. It's worse when you have the passive up (duh) and better when you don't.
However, the people who are running out of passive are already the ones who didn't invest a ton so the difference is very small. And even then, the passive duration makes for such a huge amount of the dps in the short time you have for this mission that it slightly pulls ahead even then.
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This event should've lasted another 3 days, I could then have farmed most of what I'm lacking
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>>555787306
I did try it too. it actually helps if you are on the lower end of spectrum, so to speak. if you kill him with 30 seconds left or less, and use flying/duel method, you are at full hp whole time and morale can give you valid boost over most of the fight.
If you minmax and kill him within 30 sec, its pointless of course.
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If anyone is struggling to meet 600k or lower, i've been testing some strats and i feel like the best for people who aren't overinvested and bursting everything before Psyche's passive runs out is like
>Use pyrootail on the edge of the arena
>Piercing Ascent in and turn on Q
>Spam E while focusing fire on the big nigga
>Fly low or do flybys to get sanity pots
>When you have 10s seconds left start paying attention to your health to lower it
>Once it's fully out, fly to the very top and use E every ~6 seconds to maintain buffs
>DO NOT go down or you'll grab hp pots and fuck your resolve. Also stop using pyrootail
>"Ignore" big nigga and focus on bursting the weaker fodder
>If a bubble nigga spawns, focus and kill it when the bubble is down or they would get in the way
>Fly in rough circles so you make the big nigga run towards you, and maneuver him into the enemies youre shooting
Build is the same thing everyone is using.
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>>555779583
looks like it would hurt a lot
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>>555789628
Maybe i had terrible rng, but when i tested morale i tried to stay at around ~50% health to benefit from both and it was still slightly worse.
And yeah, i'm also on the "lower end". I met 600k and called it good enough.
100% hp with Morale, Foosh and E spam was substantially worse, too.
The passive window is way too important in the short time we have it. In every good run most of my damage came from that window. Resolve is really important here.
If it was longer and we couldn't be bothered to refresh the passive then i can see it making sense.
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>>555770214
>Even after I did the math and posted it here, they just ignored it and kept defending Morale
More like the math was posted here proving morale is slightly better and you ignored it. That was the final consensus of Psyche calcs.
>With all the Resolve shilling in Saiki's kit, and with all the Resolve shilling from the new wedges, you'd normally think "hmm, guess Resolve is the way to go"
Regardless of whether it ended up true or not, that's an incredibly flawed way of thinking. It's common in games that even when a specific stat is shilled by chara kit, it's actually better to invest in other stats because the chara already has plenty of shilled stat and you get more benefit from multiplying it instead of stacking more. Hell, even in Psyche's case, she uses Voltion version and not Resolve of the new wedge. Same for how her preferred ranged weapon changes from skill intensity to chara atk at higher investment. Generally maximum dps is achieved by getting as many multipliers as you can and balancing them within available constraints, not just hard committing to one stat.
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Haha the 1.8M guy was banned
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>>555790089
>and you ignored it
And rightfully so. All attempts to justify Morale I've seen were based on "I feel like", "idk, works for me", "it just is better mkay" etc. I didn't see anyone posting proper math debunking the superiority of Resolve
>>555791031
Yeah, I saw it at that time, and decided to ignore it because again, there's no math, just "trust me bro"
Also, if you'll go the Resolve path, why would you even spam your skill? Kek
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>>555778113
>my guess would be that some artists prefer to import reference artwork (or fragments of reference artwork) and slap it onto some plane in-engine while working on the assets instead of juggling multiple desktop windows
Yeah
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>>555791528
NTA but so you saw the post, saw other people testing it and instead of actually testing and checking you "decided to ignore it"?
Nigga, you're just way up your own ass and just as bad as the toobers who blindly claimed morale was better in every case.
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>>555778113
Too lazy to double check, I think this file is used for his eyelash texture.
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>>555789242
Literally, unironically the exact same thing I was doing days ago. Run Duel and kite the boss backwards.
I did try the hugging strat with triple +10 Blaze Volis but Duel works better for me.
I guess I did some more experimenting and now I'm pretty sure that Rendhusk is better than Destructo. The range Griffin is enough.
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>>555754470
>ask for the most basic bitch, generic shit imaginable
>hOLy sHiT dEVS liStENEd
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>>555791848
Yes, I ignored it because the math I presented >>552598126 wasn't contested at any point
>instead of actually testing
What is there to test? The only sources of Morale that Saiki can tap in come from Prime Morale (33% at +10) and Foosh's I4 (36% at 3 stacks), meaning a total of 69% Morale
So let's do a quick math
The Morale multiplier would be 1.69
The Resolve multiplier, using exclusively what my stat sheet shows currently (54.3%), and ignoring Truffle and the tons of Resolve I get during combat, would be 2.086
I have to remind Moralefags that 1.69 would only be achieved IF I4 Foosh was in the team
Morale on Saiki would only compete with Resolve IF she could tap into more than 300% Morale
Do the math next time before getting triggered over objective truth, hood rat
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>>555793830
What's up with the passive aggressiveness?
Here, I've done the math yet again
Prime Morale +10 multiplier = 1.33
Prime Resolve +10 multiplier = 1.649044
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>>555795248
It's called both of you being fucking retarded and not understanding basic maths.
She already has lots of resovle from other sources (middle wedge, passive, sig weapon, truffle, truffle wedge). Equipping prime resolve on top of that will NOT be a 65% dps boost.
50% boost when you have nothign is 50%
50% boost when you already have 100% buff of same stat is only 25% dps boost
50% boost when you already have 300% buff of same stat is only 10% dps boost
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>>555795989
I'm too lazy to do it myself. I'll wait for resolvefag and morealefag to sort it out. You do realize that this goes both ways though? Resolve retard didn't psot any math supporting his claims, only a poorly thought out strawman.
I'm not making claims in either way. I'm just pointing out holes in the way of thinking.
What we established right above is that the resolvefag has zero understanding of how maths work which immediately calls his claims into doubt. His conclusion may accidentally be correct, may be not, I don't feel like checking it myself. I just know that he's a moron and doesn't have the right to act so arrogant.
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>>555796341
Just like I said, it's always "I feel like", "idk, works for me", "it just is better mkay"
Who'd think a little math would get you people this triggered though
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>>555796494
Yet you keep refusing to provide your math. It's also you who got angry that people didn't blindly listen and instead relied on what was posted and explained. You keep accusing other side of feelscrafting but you didn't present anything else than feelscrafting either. One time you tried using numbers in this thread, you only exposed yourself as a clueless retard. Instead of responding to that, you went back to throwing your vague accusations.
Sounds like you're the one who is triggered.
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>>555796498
All of them are more or less situational but they are also universal so once you max it, it stay, unlike pretty much everything else that element coded.
Back to point, Duel and Surge are most prominent (afaik) because they are useful for Theater
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>>555802221
That's just the purple experience, and not having Saiki's I6
What you could do to act as a quick bandaid is to use Pyrotail and activate his skill before ulting, so you can have a few more precious seconds of her passive
Next best thing would be using Midnight Sun, especially if it's gold
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I've realized that I'm very fucked once Anemo is thrown into the trash, as I have no other element built, and no will to go through the hell of thousands of 30 second runs
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>>555806231
>if Pan made everyone expand an element every patch
>if
1.2 trailer confirmed we're getting another summit next patch
Get your i6 Fina ready
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>>555807032
yup
it counts
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>wedge conversion system
>3 blue wedges = 1 random blue wedge
Fuck you DecaNigger
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>>555795989
Taking the maxed numbers from the original math post, and just substituting resolve for 99.3% and 88.3%, accounting for Wingspo Resolve, we have instead
2,986 for Resolve
3,222 for Morale if it's multiplicative and 2,931 if it's additive
Both at 50% hp.
Not accounting for passive.
And funnily enough, i DID field test it and i got consistently higher scores with Morale. Almost like it's 2-15% better according to health values.
I should know better than to be baited by a post with a smug anime girl reaction, but here we are
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>>555816660
But Vita looks extremely good in it thoughbeit. It's worth investing in non-meta characters now so you'll be ready when Pan reworks everyone to be viable at all levels!buy Margiecoin NOW
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>>555793563 (me)
So I've noticed the multiplicative relation between Resolve and Morale in the overall damage formula, and asked Grokbecause the later parts of the formula gets kinda confusing, for me at leastwhich Prime option is superior after giving him the respective formulas and the best conditions for each
According to him, a Prime Morale +10 gives 15% more damage than a Prime Resolve +10. I didn't feel like his logic was completely correct, and I can't really blame him, as I merely gave him the formulas and filled out the formula variables of Resolve and Morale, but it was believable enough that I crafted a Prime Morale up to +8, which should impact my damage by 9% according to him. My Prime Resolve is at +9, so there's considerations to be made regarding Anemo ATK, specifically a difference of ~650 points in disfavour of Prime Morale
And so, I tried Morale at the Summit, and my clear times were around 5 seconds slower than what I get with my Prime Resolve. It should, at the very least, have the same clear time as the Prime Resolve, since all my Resolve is being multiplied by a 1.27 Morale multiplier and my HP is near 100%
This leads me to believe that, actually, Morale's effect is hardly being activated, because Saiki's 1st subskill of her passive, Ephemeral as Dew, considers her HP as 1%, effectively turning Morale into a useless stat for the duration of her passive, and would be useless even after her passive ends, because you'd be trading the lots of Resolve you have for the little Morale you've got instead
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>>555819656
>This leads me to believe that, actually, Morale's effect is hardly being activated, because Saiki's 1st subskill of her passive, Ephemeral as Dew, considers her HP as 1%,
Yes, obviously. Morale is a completely worthless stat with Psyche's passive. Did people think she could use both morale and resolve during her passive?
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>effectively turning Morale into a useless stat for the duration of her passive
Oh my fucking god it took him this long to actually realize it, move goalposts and consequently prove he hasn't read a single post.
I will spell it out before i start ignoring:
YES THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FUCKING SAYING ALL ALONG.
DISREGARDING PASSIVE.
AT 50% HEALTH.
If you're invested enough to finish the mission within the passive uptime, then OF COURSE you would be getting minimum value out of it.
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>DISREGARDING PASSIVE.
>AT 50% HEALTH.
You mean to say in those conditions Morale would be beneficial? I don't see it
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (44.3% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 1.886
>Morale Multiplier = 1 + (50% × 33%) = 1.165
>1.886 x 1.165 = 2.19719
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>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (55.3% * 2 * ((1 - 25%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 25%)) = 3.07375
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>>555821350
How are you getting to 25% HP with Truffle.
You are comparing two different scenarios
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (44.3% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 1.886
>Morale Multiplier = 1 + (50% × 33%) = 1.165
>1.886 x 1.165 = 2.19719
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>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (55.3% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 2.106
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>>555823862
No. He means that when the passive is active you're getting the lowest possible amount of benefit from Morale.
So it DOES work, it just might as well not work at that point. With maxed Prime Morale alone you'd be getting a 1,0033x multiplier.
That's why no one (that i've seen) claimed Morale works if you consider it during her passive uptime. I mean, maybe a stupid youtuber but i didn't give them the views.
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1/2
>How are you getting to 25% HP with Truffle
It's within the passive's limits
>inb4 on Theatre/outside of passive
Yeah that's harder, but flying all the way to the ceiling works in preventing her from healing you iirc. Not bringing her is also an option, and one that works decently well from my experience with Queso's Theatre
I have to point out that 55.3% Resolve is the lowest, most basic Resolve percentage a maxed Saiki can get mostly from wedges, besides the 15% she gets from her sig weapon + from her 2 subskills. This value never included the Resolve she gets from other sources tied to combat
These are the other sources: by bringing Truffle, if she has Wings Inspo Resolve, then that's +14% Resolve. There's her passive which, at lvl 12, can give a 11.4% Resolve boost, dunno how many times she can realistically stack it though, but even just considering 2 stacks of this boost, it'll be 22.4% Resolve. Also, her sig weapon gives 16% Resolve upon ult and adds 0.2s per skill usage or weapon dmg, so it's pretty much infinite
So by adding these up, it equals to 52.4% Resolve, meaning that, in combat, she easily has 107.7% Resolve. So taking the actual amount of Resolve she actually has, the result of the multiplier takes another form
Full usage Resolve:
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (107.4% * 2 * ((1 - 25%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 25%)) = 5.0275
Average usage Resolve:
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (107.4% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 3.148
Resolve + Morale:
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (107.4% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 3.148
>Morale Multiplier = 1 + (50% × 33%) = 1.165
>3.148 x 1.165 = 3.66742
So yeah, Resolve + Morale does beat average usage Resolve by a noticeable amount, but it's far from beating full usage
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2/2
Now, I heard Zhiliu gives Morale buffs, so depending on how exactly that works, and how much she gives, then maybe Morale may win if Zhiliu and Foosh are paired together, because the Resolve + Morale build does get a little closer to full Resolve with Foosh:
>Resolve Multiplier = 1 + (107.4% * 2 * ((1 - 50%) * 2 + 1) * (1 - 50%)) = 3.148
>Morale Multiplier = 1 + (50% × 69%) = 1.345
>3.148 x 1.345 = 4.23406
>>555823246
Why are you so assblasted mate? Kek
Also, if you understood Saiki's kit, you'd understand why I used those numbers
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>flying all the way to the ceiling works in preventing her from healing you iirc
I fucking wish
The only way I've found to override her healing is to constantly warp her around by going beyond the 30m leash limit
>Not bringing her is also an option
Her buffs are way too good to not bring. Go do a Expulsion 100 run or Stage 50 Theater with Maggie or Tabethe. Enabling red health is not worth losing Truffle
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>>555829853
It's only for ∞ comms, so Excavation, Exploration and Defence, and I don't think they'll apply this to Noctonyaggers, but I'd love to be wrong because I fucking can't take farming these shitty elemental wedges anymore
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>it takes 4174500 goop to +10 all character + consonance wedges currently in the gamePoor newfags who can't take full advantage of events like this Summit
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>>555831492
Y-Yeah, they wouldn't be THAT retarded given their track record, r-right?
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Muh jong fags btfo
You vill play chinese othello instead and you vill enjoy eet
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>>555837994
I haven't tried Steam version myself but they said existing accounts can be used.
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>>555839014
He's asking about he has to DOWNLOAD the game again. He is NOT asking about using same account, he knows he can do that. Jesus christ, read people, read.
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>>555840557
>formulate interpretable sentence focused on account
>erm akshually he said this
>he doesn't give the solution anyway
Good job pentagon you solved the cipher but you still didn't give him an answer yourself.
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You have to redownload.
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>>555841358
Yeah because I don't use steam and have little interest in the platform in general so I can't answer the question. But it's annoying to see people misinterpret it so hard when it's obvious what that guy meant.
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>>555841606
Are you retarded? The obvious assumption is he already has the game downloaded but not through steam.
So he wonders if he will have to download the whole thing again to play through steam, or will steam be smart and detect it's already on the PC.
I already explained that in the previous post but you're so stupid you somehow missed that. Hopefully this time I layed it down in simple enough terms.
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>>555841516
>it's obvious what that guy meant.
If I wanted to ask that then I would've used the word "again" or "redownload" or anything similar in the two times I ask a question. Everyone would immediately understand that's what I'm asking for. You keep having to clarify by adding "again" to his question and clearly we all understand what you think he's trying to ask.
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>>555842301
>i-if I triple down on my retardation and get the last word win!
Yeah, not participating in your izzat defence, sorry.
>failed to udnerstand
lmao, fucking typed through tears with trembling hands. Seriously kill yourself
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>>555842823
lmao
>if i throw izzat accusations, nobody will think i'm the one izzating!
You're projecting really hard. Only you showed retardation and when things were explained to you, you melted down with insults and nothing else.
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Currently sitting at around 650k with pic related. What grind would boost my score the fastest?
>i6 psyche with s3 elpides and s5 embla
>i4 foosh
>i6 fina
>pyrootail
I tried using truffle in place of foosh but my time is nowhere near good enough for her damage boost to be worth losing all that energy sustain. I feel like bumping up Midnight Sun to squeeze out more duration should be my move right now, but with the event ending so soon, I'm not sure that's the best option considering how much longer that grind will take than, say, boosting my volitions more.
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You're going full schizo, anon.
His question was clearly incomplete. You assumed the anon is a total moron who doesn't know game has to be downloaded to be played. I assumed he simply ate a word. Which is more realistic? Well, looking at you and the other guy, I guess being a total moron is surprisingly common in this thread...
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>>555844448
If I'm understanding right, you're going the skill spam route. That's going to stick you at full hp so resolve has no value outside of passive, where you spend more of your time. I would say between those two only, amping Psyche's would have more impact. It also slightly increases her skill efficiency so she needs less sanity sustain.
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>>555844810
A fucking schizo war happened because of your wording...
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>>555847090
Good work
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>>555847384
Thanks!
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>>555847895
I was overwhelmed with emotion and impulsively wanted to reward Psyche... But you're right, I think I'll wait for next summit to decide. +2 now wouldn't have made a huge difference at this point I suppose.
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>>555848443
I was the same and blew my wedge dupes already on Wingspo
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>>555850934
In terms of resource efficiency? Either wingspo or the unnamed middle wedge. Wingspo requires an obnoxious blue wedge grind to craft another gold wedge before you can craft the wingspo itself, while that middle wedge--whichever one it is, I don't think you were considering including it in your question--is likely one that requires modules.
Otherwise, midnight sun if you're strapped for duration and zephyr if you want more intensity.
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I have way over 400% intensity after pressing skill but far from it otherwise.
I asked from the perspective of potential dps gain, which would cut the most time / improve my score the most. Sorry for not specifying.
Didn't even consider middle one (resolve) would be worth amplifying. Which modules did it eat? If weapon, I'm not concerned about those, have plenty.
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I see. Is there a better girl for afk farming? For more "hands on" farming I hafe I6 niffle who does the job just fine
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>>555852610
I like using Fina. Just use her ult once then tab out. Since it's a permanent skill as long as you have Sanity. Keep Fushu in your team to keep Sanity up.
If you want someone faster then Rhythm is best. Next would be Rebecca.
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Dude there is NO fucking way they didn't rig the purple Anemo Prime Resolve drop rate.
I have gotten 3-4 of EVERY other fucking Anemo Prime in the time it took me to get a SINGLE Prime Resolve.
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>>555852537
>Which modules did it eat? If weapon, I'm not concerned about those, have plenty.
Character modules, two per wedge. So the cost to get a +10 would be 20x character track shift modules, 50x purple variants of the wedge, and 1 million coins.
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>>555856423
What the hell, that's ridiculous. Even Wingspo pales in comparison to this cost, I feel. Is +2% resolve per level worth it?
I got that one to +7 long ago and stopped there but wasn't really paying attention to the resource cost.
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>>555857195
Pretty noticeable considering you aren't gonna be getting any other stat boosting wedges in that slot, I'd say (unless you're building the one that boosts duration, but that has the same cost as this one so it's a moot point). I wouldn't advocate for grinding the wedge to +10 the normal way because the boost is not proportionate to the genuinely grotesque cost, but amplifiers obviously upend that equation.
Of course, this is a pretty niche wedge compared to others, and it might be wise to save the amplifiers and then use them to push your score on a future summit that you're more prepared for. Seems like we'll be getting this event every ~2 months, after all.
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>>555857195
That was my kneejerk reaction as well but it's really not that bad. We get so much fucking mats to forge modules we really needed some way to burn some and this is with me +10-ing the serpent resolve already.
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>>555847090
What the FUCK.
I changed from +6 prime resolve to +5 prime morale for a test and this was so much faster. From barely killing sometimes I suddenly managed to do it with almost 30 seconds left.
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Had enough purples for extra craft, immediately smashed the hammer, got prime morale to +6
Holy shit the improvements.
FUCK YEAH welcome home shiny bro boxie!
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Yeah, I think that's the case. Resolve has to be winning while passive is active but the damage falls off the cliff right after the window is over. Meanwhile morale helps still kill shit later in the fight. Very noticeable vs the guardians with protective bubble.
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>FUCK YEAH welcome home shiny bro boxie!
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Iridescent Prism isn't locked to banners, right?
If I luckshitted a gold roll with my first 10 limited rolls, I'm still better off buying the rest of the limited rolls for another gold roll to stock up on Iridescent Prism for the future because they are cheaper than the regular rolls, right?
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I know it's the avatar, don't worry.
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Would pic related be of any value on Psyche, considering that her consonance weapon is an AR? I'm guessing no, because the Gleaming wedges seem to universally be useless and I'm sure there'd be plenty of mentions of it here already if there WAS a use case, but I figured I'd ask just in case any anons gave it a try already.
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>>555861548
sadly the amount of effective damage these add aren't worth the wedge slot and dropping stat sticc / support weapons
she passively gains dmg dealt, truffle grants a ton, and duel is a strong option too
also it doesn't count consonance weapons. they technically aren't equipped.
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>>555860981
Thanks for encouragement!
Not long ago I was at 200 something passes and worrying if I will be able to clear out the shop. Grinded hard last few days and was scared to see myself at 800-something, suddenly realizing this might be tough to use them before event is over. Did some extra emergency farming because of dismantle and that put me close to 950. Aaa, it's cruel how these keep dropping from every mission. Even more to use up. I think I'll mostly do the middle stage, it takes 4 passes instead of 5 but I can clear it in 15-18 seconds instead of 2:25-2:40. medals-wise, 213-215 is still good enough, I think.
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>>555863859
Yep, the lvl 75 stage is the best in your case, as you'll be safeguarding your sanity. Those 950 passes ought to yield you ~50.7k medals, translating to ~304.3k globules, which is a very respectable amount and will last you long
Took me 2 days to burn through 800 passes, and that's with me clearing lvl 110 in roughly 40 seconds and having to watch shitposts in between runs to keep myself motivated
Keep up the spirit newbro
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>>555832573
Thank you for posting my blacked wife.
>>555833694
I love my blacked wife so much.
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>>555869390
Such is the landscape of modern gaming: release game in alpha stage, rake in money, and release patches over long periods of time while guaranteeing positive feedback and building player loyalty, because any patch you release will be objectively superior to the shit base game, and even then, GaaS devs manage to fuck this formula up
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Update: I'm starting to get frustrated. I decided to go all in on tryharding the summit.
I've been at making my build the best it can be since these posts.
I have a full +10 Psyche (including the Prime Resolve), s5 scythe and Rendhusk, +9 Consonance wedges and of course lv10 skills.
I2 Truffle with +10 Cyclone, +10 Wingspo Resolve, +10 Nirvana and +7 Prime Serenity and her heal/buff is lv10.
i4 Fina with +10 Prismatic Neon, +7 Prime Uplift, s4 Dreamweaver and her ult is lv10.
Yet, I can't get anywhere even near 1.7m. I refuse to believe everyone above me has everything maxed.
The only thing I can think of is that a Crit DMG or ASPD or Multishot weapon passive gives a significant DPS boost at this point but I don't have enough time to s5 weapons like these, especially the multishot because there's only 1 weapon with that passive and it's locked behind the weeklies.
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>>555870094
i3 Truffle gives a decent boost
Prime Uplift is quite strong too
That's the only things I think you can boost with 18h left
The best strategy I found is just hug while shooting feet and hope for zero jumps and lots of crits and lots of sanity pot drops.
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