dmm killed osg

beast op

thanks i love you

>>556351206
Yeah but I want that 10 minutes of true AFK.
I can't look at my phone every 20 seconds to click on something else.

Maybe I will just use a rune scim; it's better than nothing. The less time I have to actively play this shitty game mode, the better.

got the afk money machine setup for another 6 hours time to hit the sack

feel so clean like a money machine

whats the best mager wep to bring to breach that wont get me killed on sight

just got mogged by a jestermaxxed sub 5 bondie in front of the ruzz (rune huzz)

ancient sceptre with meticulous and spellslinger just autocast barrage from sacks

oh i forgot the ancient sceptre thanks

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I'm tired of this game mode, it's gridmaster but shit.

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>>556351506
Cyclopes is 10 min afk?
if you hate the gamemode, stop fucking play it. You're a grown adult man, stop playing digital toys you hate spending time on just to get a shitty cosmetic nobody cares about.

>>556352475
>Cyclopes is 10 min afk?
Resetting aggression requires far too many inputs.
>You're a grown adult man, stop playing digital toys you hate spending time on just to get a shitty cosmetic nobody cares about.
This is runescape, i.e.the game about grinding through slogs.

How much sailing for all the clue related stuff, is it good enough to get quest cape back

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>>556353628
resetting cyclopes: 2 clicks
moving to the next crab when it dies: 2 clicks
stay at crab mate, more cyclopes for me lmao

>>556353685
let me google that for you

i suck balls at doom this fuckier is beating me to death

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w472
Tons of cheap cut emeralds at the monk fish place.
Shop price is 50 gp, GE price is 513 gp.

>>556353761
Doesn't resetting cyclopenises just take one click as you can simply move away since the entire room is filled
You don't need to move back

4clan kinda chill ngl (because it's dead and therefore quiet! hah!)

idgi

Idk about 4clan i’d rather stick with my cyute gamer gurl only clan tyvm

was st0ck on john dad island

no john dad island only has creppy white m*n like shortys cunnys shenky etc there are no known femboys or threadgirls on john dad island

vampyres arent asgarnian

That’s okay the thread “girls” here are all fat and have tummies that stick out past their breasts anyway. I even caught one resting a bowl of soup on her stomach like a dinner tray once in vc

>>556355057
correct but that redditor thinks it's too much effort and will do crab instead

vampyres r sooo 2008 and its multiverse shit yucky yucky

Gem crab has some of the most frustratingly retarded players at it. Everyone is nooby at SOME aspect in the game, but gem crab will have the most dogshit accounts possible wearing the most dollar general store ass outfits giving each other “advice” and scolding each other.

osg needs john dad pumping out oc again that guy was a fucking machine

Never heard of that guy

>makeover mage, change me to a ****
of course my child
FORESKINOVA RESTORA
.....
>it didn’t work
there is some foul curse upon you
only the most vile magicks could've done this

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throwback to last year when i actually still had fun playing this game

I've got 5000 points for my 4 tick attack style thing. Is magic the best one to pick for trying to increase damage at breaches specifically when going with minimal risk?

i have started to use nox hally on my shaman tasks
suprisingly comfy at the cost of shamans sometimes jumping
tho probly not viable outside temples small shaman rooms

>>556363118
pretty good, weak for bossing but fine at breaches, also they keep summoning the ma2 bosses that are mage only
otherwise pick range and boltrag, good points

>>556363118
I got 3.5k with aug thrall & 4t dragonstone bolts
buddy said he got 4.5k same world in rag 4t barrage
I imagine both are good
Once I do one more breach I'll have enough points for arcane swiftness & I'll try that out then since I have 99 mage

Somewhat related to my mage question, how do trover parchment-able items work in DMM?
I got a T5 emblem in my last breach, so I can afford an ancient sceptre, but I assume I need to get a parchment too so i don't lose it?

>>556363805
Well, I just bought the damn thing, and it seems like you need Secrets of the north done before you can wield it, and i haven't bought that quest lamp yet.
Well, it still will be nice to know for when I do get it.

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a souls bane is such an unbelievably shit quest and it does not get the old quest benefit that say legends or tai bwo wannai does

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eel girl and i

el casmasion de fuego

y is there a bank in the high tier of the farming guild the bank is already right there this some first class bougie shit

is tearscape worth playing

>>556362858
These are fun. I enjoy finding hiding spots for areas nearby regular places with extended draw distance. Got 99 mining at motherlode, it's full of hidden map areas just outside the mines on like all sides.

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when d3k gives me throat for a bond

nfts, mmos, unreal engine slop, if you want to scam goycattles that likes video games

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>Only that man who has offered up himself entire. Who has been to the floor of the pit and seen the horror in the round and learned at last that it speaks to his inmost heart, only that man can dance.

>>556364117
isn't a trouver parchment the same cost as the staff in the first place?
Since you need to pay cash to lock it, it's a complete waste

they call me trover parchment because i'll be all over your big thick weapon locking it down

i did some bosses and a bunch of easy and med clues what else do i do for points
am i gonna have to grind out drops and 100 kc and stuff

The Real Reason CHRONO TRIGGER IS SO EXPENSIVE!

punk ass yt boi got diddled by the steins.


sad!

the gnomes going full mask off is kind of crazy no

looked like a mentally ill fuck before & an ugly moron after
in other news I pk'd someone tanning blue dragonhides l0l, he was so pisse
surprised they're going for ~2k each, that's like 13k of profit per inventory you tan

i find it odd that lava strykewyrms drop noted rune ore but the fire orbs as item
like in value perspective for 60s slayermonster that drops a dragon ship part its so odd that its the fire orbs for all the shit they drop that are not noted
like gargoyles are ten levels higher on slayer and they dont drop noted runite ore (but you kinda get it because everything else is alchs or notes)
its just so weird

reddit seethe about pkers is so funny

i was too busy playing deadman and forgot the south park event in fortnite, now i don'tt get the glider...

>>556374193
it's funny how redditors crying about pkers and pkers crying about redditors crying about pkers mimics the ingame pvp ecosystem

d3ks only got pked twice yahoooooooooooo

what arm thing homie

>>556373018
Got Zamn

Why does it feel so great to get a good drop?

>>556376042
I'm crying about some faggot with a tribrid switch dds pking me for 100 redwoods and hopping through every single world in the bracket

personally i like it when pkers chimp out because it galvanizes the rest of the community to vote no on all their polls. god willing the next set of dmm rewards will fail

martin the master farmer be like "hey men"

why does everyone type "pvpers" and "pvping" out of nowhere for the longest time it was exclusively pker and pking

why doesnt anybody ever talk about how insanely fucking retarded the dmm grace timer is

I'm playing DMM and idk what the grace timer is

>>556377815
when you pk someone you get immunity for like a minute after

it's a pj timer but it lasts for like 70 seconds and only goes one way it's fucking idiotic

The DSP Reddit Situation Is Crazy

We need storm of armadyl, summoning, soul split, overloads, divine and flasks.

>>556378036
we have overloads dumbass

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grinding dmm and watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMl6zO6Kgmk

we are at 23k points now

> Kills His Lover, Thinks He’s Going Home (He’s Not)

me with st0ck

when which bosses switch to wind bolt during breaches

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>>556379620
mika wouldn't do that

>>556378036
we need surge and blade dive and divination

we need herbalore training to be 2x

its spelled herblaw

hmmm wahts an item i can use to give me a high skull value to bait people into attacking me, but hats actually worthless on DMM?

where can i play mass gotr in dmm i bricked my account my getting higher bracket

>>556382287
tomes of fire and bottomless buckets

>>556382287
on top of the bait, make sure to have some normal bones to bury to make them rush at trying to kill you. maybe throw a few chinchompas instead. I always get super pissed when pking and the dude says fuck it and wastes everything they can while tanking

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>>556382736
never found a world for it...

>>556382287
It's super easy to inflate your value.
Noted logs or herbs easily does it.

>>556382736
I just solo'd mine in the 81-95 bracket.

rs has the same problem as fgc aint nobody spending years of their life to learn dark virgin sorcery like who currently has pid

Ooh, let the light in
At your back door yelling 'cause I wanna come in

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what the

how do i get tooth halves of the moonman mask key ive got 60 loop halves so i reckon ive got pretty good odds of getting the +500ehc clog

yeah i reckon you are still 500 hours away from getting that clog

>>556372080
Anything other than breaches is a waste of time if you’re playing for points. Just get some black d’hide and rcb, or msb with good ammo and you’ll get at least 1-2k per breach in 15 minutes. Logging in to do any other bullshit is a waste of time aside from maybe doing each raid clear once for the big point drop. Fight caves/inferno too I guess if you want but even then that’s too much time

>>556370682
Staff can’t be traded

thats ok im not a clogger anyway im more of a skiller

what are the juiciest breach spots? best ive seen so far was al kharid mine

>>556386810
the zanaris one yesterday was great

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omfg

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get smoked

that has to be shenny

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cool

lookin good pg

ty

does the parrot watch

alright fuck dmm im quitting for real now, i have enough points for some cosmetics. sigils cost too much
not going to pour in more hours just so i die to a sweat/ahker who bought their infernal and quiver or spend all that time just for it to die within a week

>>556388756
can i have your stuff im behind

>>556388919
rsn?

>>556388189
ew platelegs on a girl is an ick for me. theres literally a plateskirt in the game but you're wearing legs

>>556388961
which bracket are you in so i know which toon to give you

I’m telling you dude just log in for 1-2 breaches a day if you’ve got the freedom. The point/time disparity between that and everything else is insane

plateskirts look stupid sorry

fr you get 10 points per level up past 50 and 10 points every scim swing during a breach its so stupid

are you trying to trick me again

do you get 1 point per damage delt during breach

>>556388756
>sigils cost too much
lole

i just got ran through by a multi clan....i feel so violated...

sit

>>556389036
the breach system is retarded, i dont agree with it at all
>just fuck up your sleep schedule to get a couple thousand extra points bro

also because it's so late in the dmm there are people with so many points that they might as well pk at the breach fucking you over

>>556390012
theyre also just fundamentally unfun it feels like private server bullshit
spam mobs that all just insta die

ill only fuck up my sleep for a dclone

i kill bloodvelds so fast with my duelies im progressing so hard rn

dancin around in my tight dress at the ge

can i see

someones gonna rape you

If I buy the dragon slayer 2 quest lamp do I get the mission exp from myth guild lady after the quest completes?

how would i know

i just keep moving forward

finna beast this breach

john dad won even d3 thinks hes cool

here i go abing my solum again

i dont even want to know what that means

absolum goated i like playing as the frog wizard

>>556381780
https://youtu.be/VC81UdSQKHU

>>556377296
Iron men think about pkers all day.
Pkers don’t think about iron men at all.

im done with dmm does anyone want my gp

yea rsn midzy

i got 900 points for the breach is that good

damn i just got 2k, i'm for sure going to get 45-50k by the time dmm ends

>>556393084
pkers have melties on reddit every single time pvp comes up there lol

Dwarven mines, got 2.5k points.

no i got 3k and monsters were dying in 3 seconds

what happens to your iban staff if you get pked?

ok i just suck i guess

>>556393794
you have to go back

Cause I know what you like, boy
You're my chemical hype boy

>>556393846
you can collect it for free from death, you dont even lose any charges or upgraded status

>>556393950
okay im trusting you

>>556393809
do breach monsters spawn in multiple places or were you just in a different world than I, because in my world they were in zanaris

>>556393917
reddit game albeit

>>556394153
it's a quest item they all work that way

>>556393084
Ironmen are genuinely unhinged. They expect to reap all the rewards of Wildy bosses with no risk at all. Then they freak out when they get PK'd. The streamer I watch frequently gets death threats from ironmen lol

>>556394545
this is definitely the post of a person who doesn't think about ironmen at all lol

playing it safe
he kissed her cheek

its out btw

whos your favorite osg iron mine is eel girl baby iron

>>556394545
meh its more any non-pking player always freaks out but ironmen are in that group. im not even a good pker but people seethe as soon as you attack them even if they get away

>>556394209
I was on the Australian 81-95 world.

>>556394864
can i see

>>556394983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC81UdSQKHU

its not even irons that think that its just redditors i doubt you can find a single high tier iron player that cant handle the wildy

>You can swap spellbooks with the deadman skull item
Fuck, I've wasted so much time up to this point.

just realized the reason they scrapped project zanaris is because temporary game modes are basically private servers already
>>556395112
lmao retard

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dmm

>>556395878
me on the right

seeing old people working shitty min wage jobs makes me sad

should i get a tbow before even touching cm cox?

>>556397406
rsn?

>>556396751
Its easily doable without if thats what you mean.

>>556393794
>cryironman is a predditor
Many such cases

>>556398526
reddit owns ur game lil nate

>>556394683
I’m the anon who made the original comment you are referring to, but not the person that (You) (You)’d so I’m happy to see my snide remark triggered your prissy iron ass.

>>556398832
Bitch you don’t own shit you don’t even own a car.

>>556399037
doesnt really seem like im the one triggered here though

New Sparking Zero DLC 4 Map UPDATE (Supposedly)

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chat I died 3 or 4 times to the dmm mimic

common meriipoo L

>>556399353
THATS what /osg/ threadgirls look like?!?!?

>>556393846
It goes byebye and you need a new one for 200k
Don't believe the other anon
>>556394209
Differs per bracket and is the same across all worlds in a bracket

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>they did not remove the interrupts when they updated the toad
wtf omg

wow he decided that the best strategy for the barrows brothers was one or two of them and rush the chest instead thats a really weird assumption to make the fact that he got a single piece of gear at 60kc is pretty lucky doing it like that

madseasonshow is kinda dumb. like he lacks curiosity so much he didn't even bother exploring varlmore at all

so if i get like 2k points a breach and have like 2 weeks left jarvis can you crunch those numbers buddy

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chat I can vouch for the crazy jake hike video being a good watch

could you please provide a link to said video

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>>556405638
79826

someone attacked us at crab & I just rune scimmed him to death loooooool

in other news going to have to unlock titanium before I do more hard pvm bosses I think because mimic spanked me in the non lewd bad way

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If I spent the same amount of thime woodcutting in the real game as I did in this dogshit game mode I probably could have made some serious gains.
Why is the way to get points the same chore as the real game instead of skipping over that and streamline everyone into Pk or pvm?

>>556406557
they way to get points is to log on to breaches for 15 minutes a day what are you talking about

>>556404406
can't really blame him, the whole continent has a weird tacked-on feel. you can just tell it was made by different people with different design philosophies

>>556406610
I'm only getting about 2-3k a breach, I'm still catching up as I was getting near on zero points before the update.

>>556406557
the two best ways to get points is to do breaches & to do pvm
stop being fucking retarded

>wow bro my 100 points an hour strat is CRAZY GOOD
>so absurd pvm'ing isn't better

imagine getting 99 wc in slopmanmode instead of just logging in to ibans blast breaches for exactly 15 minutes per day holy lel

Funny you cunts only give advice when you want to be spiteful

does d3ks still post here

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I give advice but people call my advice bad so there is that

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does a cold one know that john bad said that armadyl brews are useless maybe he didnt get the john dad memo

is ibans blasting better than rcb diamond bolts?

erm am i not supposed to be doing falador rooftops theres no one else here...

i just use my vls

daily reminder to report everyone in 4clan for botting.

>>556407742
only do one of each rooftop and then until you get mark of grace for the poglog wtf

>>556407713
theoretically its best to bring both since most bosses are weak to one or the other but me personally i cant possibly be assed to do that

okay sorry where should i be training agility at lvl 50

i did canifis till 60 then seers till 80 but that might be an unc strat

>>556408034
Higest rooftop until you get full graceful in the normal game

did oda boosted/muled by chatmembers
if he did it is very rich to call out raggers at chests

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ok I forgot one of my issues with wintertoad
it makes my migraine flare up and hurts my eyes because it is so bright like I

im so sorry that happened to you omg

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djoes adjusting brightness not help

I beg the cow boss drops a cow pet

is anyone farming breaches in bracket 3? how does it compare to bracket 2

they already said it will have a pet moron i swear you shoudl have to actually read the blogs before youre allowed to have an opinion

idk im only in bracket 1 so

i think the cow boss should drop mooletta

>>556409039
that makes everything look wrong
I might put on sunglasses

i want to farm d3ks breach iykwim

can i join you at the todt

>>556409265
https://youtu.be/X2LTL8KgKv8

when are you doing the tob i wanted to learn

turn on your monitor/os blue light filter

hurray cow pet :D

>>556409347
yeah!! they are not sunglasses actually
idk what they are but I saw them in a goofy osha-like store
they are these dark red tinted ones I think they are for protection against green lasers
they make everything a deep deep red and they help during my worst moments

>>556409397
I need to do some quests and get tiddytanium first

sis your dva gunnars?

Madseason high score speculations.
Started runecraft, but no GoTR score.
Construction went up a fair bit.
Thumbnail preview looks like a rotten tomato. You need one for the shopping list after MEP2 light puzzle. Could be trying to start crafting death runes, hence the runecraft levels.
Tons of barrows runs.
Herblore is at the level to make prayer pots.

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these
wintertoad ppe

>>556409802
doubt he'll ever find gotr on his own, he'll have to randomly try the minigame teleport or decide to do temple of the eye

>>556409667
lol

>>556410060
what about just clicking the runecrafting skill to see what gets unlocked when and see
>guardians of the rift (after temple of the eye)
on level 27?

>>556410267
>>556410060
or does he have some retarded restriction where he is not allowed to read text ingame?

>>556410267
if he even notices that he'll just go "hrm dunno what that is" and immediately forget about it

Alright got 12k points in deadman
It wasnt awful like some people are making it out to be but wasn't really fun either, I'm not doing it with anyone so I spent most of it risking little and scrounging

>>556410545
>hrm dunno what that is"
does he have ZERO intuition or thought?

>>556410595
yeah pretty much dude gets an objective and finds exactly one way to do it and that's that

>>556410703
how does anyone enjoy watching that

>>556410753
it's interesting seeing runescape as played by a complete golem

>salvage pirate shipwrecks until 72 sailing
>gwenith glide to 73, getting the crystal extractor
>mercenary shipwreck salvaging to 78
>chart the entire ocean
>get the 2.5% xp boost drink on board
>80 fremmy shipwrecks
>87 merchant shipwrecks til 99
what critical step did i miss if any

>>556410703
there was a part in the barrows ep where he says
>'hmm it takes karil a while to shoot i wonder if it saves prayer to turn it off and then back on right before he shoots'
>he tries once and fucks it up
>'nope'

>>556407430
lol this game went to shit so fucking fast
what the FUCK is an armadyl brew
and i just saw there are other blowpipes you can craft too and shit
horrible, glad im never coming back, DMM is alright but yuck man how did you guys let the game get this bloated? basically rs3 at this point.. deer antlers too, fucking disgusting

i think its like a zamorak brew and sara brew but im not really sure i dont even play this game

>>556411116
>>556411221
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Armadyl_brew#4_dose

>>556411116
okay but they cancelled the pride event so yeah we're winning

how many armadyl brews for zalcano

rs3 is when they add stuff to the game

i just want a bar like in rs3 is that ok

do you guys bank salvage and sort it later or do it with alchs and stuff

>>556411857
i just alch it on the boat

>>556411940
what do you do when your seed box and gem bag and plank sack are full

d3k usually helps me empty my sack

judas juda ah ah

So what bosses are quick points when wearing rags I'm think of doing 10 kills each

my sack is half empty that was very flippant

d3ks said my 1 orb of protection doesnt make me any less of a type a

omg stop reminding me of ballscape

https://youtu.be/sGoOKd38j2k
:o

>>556414439
omfg

It’s nice being a mainGOD I can skip these dogshit temp game modes and just buy the items on the The Chad Exchange day one for like 1m before the skyrocket to 100m when some fat greasy content creator has his halfwit chat merch them on week 2.

COW BOSSS

>>556414439
omfg when they went up i could cry

>>556414439
omg new peak

>>556407713
no. iban staff misses too much while rcb with dragonstone hits through armor

just wiped in dmm and lost everything how do i rebuild

all my apes gone

Low Tier God Ohh Ohh Ohh Compilation Part 2

>>556416238
are dragonstone bolts better than diamond?

>>556416627
idk rot niggas told me they are

im rot leader nigga

is there a point to keeping a combat pure at bracket 2 if i want to earn points? especially with the breach hp buffs and increased drops from the upper brackets

whats a good job to play OSRS all day?

>>556417442
one of my clannies is a social worker who meets his clients over zoom and like half of them no show

should i go to bracket 2 or will i get raped during breaches cause everyone has ice barrage

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damn he'll never recover from being called a cheater, he has to pray odablock becomes a terrorist or people find out he bought his wife.

when are we going on a meriimulti trip and clearing out scurrius

is scurrius locked down harder than the anon with the lockable belt in all brackets right now

>>556418610
I did 100 scurrius KC a couple of days ago without being interrupted a single time.

>>556418690
in mass?
or is there only mass

>>556419008
There are only masses. Bosses with optional singles versions are disabled.

>>556419105
how do the cas work? unavailable?

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please gz

>>556419161
Yes, some are impossible to complete.

need my demonic gorilla attacked rn fr

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Little spoonery for the duo group

>>556419563
are you eel girl and the duo is d3ks

wish i had a duo

we got our zombie axes like a year ago

zombie axe isnt even on the ladlor chart though

d3ks only takes the BTBC and never the bwofa jr

no one cares about your gay little chart pal

So long osg

as much as I love the endless bitching and dry clog pics, I swear to god if I go another day and see you whiny bastards complaining about everything I’m gonna delete my account. So instead I’m saying goodby to this miserable general. I hope you all go dry at CG so you have something to post.

goodby

byby!

see you once the meds kick in

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I dont feel a need to grind cg since bowfa is worse than zcb

>>556420453
But then you have to grind Nex, which is like 20x worse.

>>556420649
well I could grind something else

i got something you could grind ahahaha

nex and toa are both fine now after their respective updates but the community made up their mind forever

what the heck your aroace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0SoMvvVhk
omg

please gz me

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nympharoace

post a picture of your toon and your accomplishment and ill gz you

three fucking white lily contracts today dude
what a load of shit

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>>556421280
i got a irl job

thats not an accomplishment its a punishment

>>556421452
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88 crafting :D
w472 if anyone wants gems at a discount at the monk fish place.

>>556421131
this was absolute shit whats the point of recreating dubstep if you cant even pull off the drop she should stick to pop rock

>>556421679
pilk?

i agree i posted it before i listened it was a huge disappointment

>>556421723
I dont like most of their covers
they either do instruments completely arbitrarily
or they add the worst instruments like the annoying bells just because haha they are stereotypical osrs

or they add annoying sound effects that ruin the track

i liked her 1000 gecs cover album but the entire point of that album is annoying sound effects that ruin the track so it fit well with her thing

100gecs in 2026 is crazy work unc, just go to bed

remember when KPOP IS BEST currently anonydork formerly Finding Saki more formerly KPOP GOOD asked the eel girl to be her valentine and the eel girl was all like "eww no way" and rejected her in front of everyone and utterly humiliated her almost a year ago today on valentines day 2025

its 11am and id appreciate you not take that tone with me

should i unlock rosewood logs to do forestry events while wcing or should i continue to do redwoods to bank fletching xp

and whats worse is that eel girl did that whyle having esex with john dad on discord

john dad in his current form didnt exist back then he was still saying runescape is bad and posting about gnomemonkeys wife with his full legal name in the name field

>>556422503
KYS

whyle coyote

ehcers accused of injecting hyaluronic acid into their penises to increase their total weight at shellbane gryphons

why does the eel girl love the ladlor chart so much its so sad to see her become a meta slave and d3ks doesnt even give a crap about her its really sad all around

remember when boxxee showed up to that party and she wasn't even on the friendlist omg i felt so bad

you never talk about anyones achievements or say anything nice

>>556423282
TFTI

boxee was too good for this general

>>556423318
>>449135408

she had skeletons in her closet she was probably grinding up human bones and baking them into her cakes and pastries

well boxee was nice and midzy is mean so

i miss when we had cute active threadgirls and parties now all we have is verminous bitches that spread lies and become jannies

>>556423282
lmaoooooooo

im verminous sometimes but i dont spread lies or do janny work

what should i order from taco bell for dinner im not super hungry just normal hungry im thinking maybe the $7 luxe box and a banjo blast

a thread culture created by you specifically lol, nobody even wants to share their rsn on the off chance that theyll annoy some tranny and get pedo rumours spread about them just because

no offence but youre eating taco bell too often you need to relax

im verminous and amoral id steal a tbow off a corpse if i thought i could get away with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfAHzU1vgGI
thoughts?

if you werent a newfag youd know the pedo rumours arent "just because"

keep telling yourself that

did shortys quit

https://youtu.be/IpiN-RduTUk?si=MGT5ydMNKoPJcu4Q
thoughts?