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HOLD THE LINE Edition
>Marathon Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MarathonTheGame
>Game Info:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065800/Marathon/
>Marathon Game Home Page
https://www.marathonthegame.com/
>The Entire History of Marathon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk [Open] [Embed] [Open] [Embed] [Open]
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/
>Play the Original Marathon for Free
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/
Databases:
https://tauceti.world/
https://tauceti.gg/
https://marathonmeta.gg/
https://marathondb.gg/
/vg/ Discord:
https://discord.gg/RDy8sPCeKc
News:
>Experimental Queue coming Wednesday 4/15 at 10 am PT
>RECENT PATCH NOTES
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update_1053
>SEASONS & ROADMAP
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_seasons_marathon
>MARATHON OST VOL. I & II OUT
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3mqJXB_rxXOGplviv8tGd XtHDdL9grK4
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k_FhqMdjI4UChXwooy0VRO M84xgCi8JM0
>RANKED DETAILS
https://x.com/TauCetiGG/status/2033929468713308638
>CRYO ARCHIVE DETAILS
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/cryo_archive_overview
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rape bungie
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>>563546820
raep
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Bungie desesrves to be hated just for making the Volt weapons so incredibly shit. I know the intent was to make them like the Plasma guns in Halo, but those have way more use on Legendary compared to this.
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damn this sound kino
>>563546904
raped and dropping every day
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Your game is dead... it has been RAPED TO DEATH... by me...
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Did Ziegler just save Marathon?
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>>563544467
Different anon but I would like to imagine that in a more generous interpretation of the argument that he's mad that people treat steamcharts/CCU as primary and concrete data when it's more of an indicator of things that matter. There's inherent inaccuracy by steam players opting out of publicly showing what they're playing, as well as the existence of console populations that are not as plainly public that muddies the direct analysis from those numbers - to be clear the privacy stuff is probably a margin of less than 5% and while not proof I do believe the reports that Steam is the largest portion of the playerbase. Declining Steam CCU over consistent time frames (less players today than there were last monday) is absolutely an indicator of a declining playerbase, but can also be an indicator of shifting player behavior, such as playing at different times, or less hours.
Additionally, the structure of the game is seasonal, some level of decline is expected - as an example, Path of Exile 2's last season started December 12th, 1 month and 8 days later at January it had lost 80% of its CCU and continues to decline in a way that's not at all alarming - more of a proportional decline than Marathon has seen (near 70% in the same time frame).
So again, not on the koolaid that
>nothing is wrong you chuds the game is doing great
but the doomposting is obviously shitposting in "disguise" 99% of the time.
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Nice, congrats bro
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>Bloated 200 million dollar games by a 3.6 billion dollar studio especially need a higher CCU count
Yes, I agree, the initial capturing of the positive public narrative has failed, and is not enough for good long-term health of the game of this budget (skeleton crewing is still possible)
However, the claims of players quitting because the game is bad etc. are completely made up because CCU does not measure number of regular players, and the high player scores doesn't reflect that either.
Changes in CCU is determined by so many factors like early/late game progression, seasonal progression, binge playing (like many people did in the beginning) the pattern of when new players enter the game increasing or declining interest from new players (which is also affected by seasonal structure), it's confounded manifold by other things that it's practically useless for estimating player retention (ie how many players are staying vs quitting a game).
Modern online landscape is pretty simple: God-given line goes up = "best game ever amazing and flawless!". God-given line goes down = "Oh no the game is so bad and everyone is quitting because things are so bad, plz fix game it's hopeless, it was bad all along".
Sure, there are various things I'd like to get improved, and sure, people are bound to quit after getting enough of any game, but let's not get caught into this stupid drone behavior.
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>>563547978
nah, the volt weapons only get better and better the more agility people have which makes strafing increasingly effective against ballistic weapons, making their accuracy go down. It depends a bit but with the homing bullets you can often hit 100% of the bullets while you also get to strafe at full no-ADS movement speed, making the enemy miss 50% of their shots while you hit everything. The bullet travel time starts affecting things at longer ranges but at close range it's almost negligible. Volt thrower is the best close range weapon after shotgun.
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>>563549746
See I think this is why he's mad, because
>all 60k players didn't actually quit the game
is a genuinely retarded thing to say. Far more than 60k have quit, but you're latching on to the literal only hard data you have and pretending it's something it's not. Even if every doompost is true and not a single soul has said 'alright I'm good with this for now, I'll hit it again later' and decided to fully quit, the number would be, and please pay attention to this word, *proportional* to the CCU decrease. 70% of the people who bought it have quit forever and also hate the game and are currently cursing Bungie. How many people bought it? I dunno, maybe 2 million. So the guesstimate number of people who have quit should be 1.4mil
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>>563548954
>they pushed the Battle Royale button
Hot damn this thing is floppin' super hard ain't it.
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>>563551002
everyone starts off at 0 (free kits) and try to get better loot from the map. i mean if we're being semantical, an extraction shooter is basically a BR but with an overarching inventory and mission system anyways with tweaks to the loot table. but at the heart a BR. this just brings it even closer to its BR roots.
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Oh gotcha, I feel like this mode will be skipped if you have a shitty kit for the day like Traxxus
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>>563550454
Even from estimated sales and proportional CCU decrease it's still wrong because CCU is affected more by other factors. Unless it's the most braindead daily grind mobile game, people will play significantly more during honeymoon phase compared to steady state playing. Which applies especially to Marathon because there are no time-gating or daily grind.
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>team of white shields
>push
>they have a shotgun
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>>563551425
Everyone being on a Traxus free kit in Dire Marsh isn't bad, Hardline has an effective range of like 80m, so long as you're not shooting it full speed and not moving it will absolutely kill people effectively without snipers invalidating its existence.
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>>563551347
Yeah, and each rank tier you get slightly better starting weapons. Also everything in the kit should be damaged to prevent people from building up inventory on the kits alone once you start getting blues and purple in your base kit.
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>>563547978
>Bungie desesrves to be hated just for making the Volt weapons so incredibly shit.
>one hundred shot magazines
>extra damage to bots
>an entire class that juices them
>50 fucking credit V11 punch is the first and last gun you need when you're broke
>can be silenced
>can be charged for big blasts
>running refills the battery
>volt version of every gun type
Volt weapons are one of the only things they did right, you philistine. Cringe yourself to death over an actually valid concern next time.
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My only complaint about any volt gun is that the Lookout's charge shot is a mode switch that takes time. It does not hit hard enough to warrant that. Also that assassin cloak should lose the anti-lock while he's moving outside of crouch since he's visible as fuck, but that's more of an assassin complaint than a volt weapon complaint.
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>>563548954
A valiant attempt... but ultimately... futile...
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Looking good, guys!
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bungie needs to make a mic only matchmaking. its cool if you want to be mute but i want nothing to do with you. ive started going into matchmaking with a freekit and if you dont talk i just leave its that simple
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>>563553242
it's over
what's next for Bungie?
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>>563552039
Iron sight Hardline on Dire Marsh is an absolute and complete pain in the ass to play
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>>563548954
This does literally nothing to help the present situation. Free-shitter containment lobbies wasn't what was missing from this game.
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game should have been a roguelike mmo
that is all
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>>563553346
>standing
>moving
>shooting rapidly
Yeah it kinda sucks at those things, which sucks, it absolutely is still the worst gun, but it is accurate if you're crouched and shooting slowly.
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>>563553906
it's such a basic bitch mode that there's zero excuse for why it wasn't in the game at launch. It was most impactful at launch, when the entire playerbase didn't know what the hell the game was or how anything worked. Now it's utterly pointless. There's no new influx of players, they're scared shitless over what they've been hearing about the game. The people playing right now that are broke as hell get SOMETHING to do, but do you want to know something? It's a waste of fucking time for them too. If they took their freekit into a real lobby and found a dead player with actually good goop on them, then they would actually be ahead for once. Now they'll be stocking their vault up with a collection of... free gotten gains from 1 (one) map. This does absolutely nothing at a time like this.
>we want to study the impact of low level gear progression
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU DO THAT BEFORE YOU LAUNCHED THE GAME?! YOU INCOMPETENCE FUCKING MORONS!! THIS IS BASIC BITCH MODE, AND YOU SLEPT ON IT.
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>Hmm, a lot of fill players are free kitting, what should we do to prevent that?
>Let's make freekits into seperate queue, Apex type shit, not only it will increase waiting time for the regular queue, but also increase the amount of free kitters in general! Isn't this great, Ziegler-sama?
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>Freekit only queue
Now that sounds like an actual fun game mode.
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>>563553242
My theory:
They "fixed" the final exfill on outpost a week ago and made it even harder to exfill now by it now showing up consistently in Dormitories
Hence every rook and free kitter just dropped the game out of sheer spite of not being able to 8k in profit every round
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>you'll just blitz to the first poi to set up
>on dire marsh
lmao no, everyone will just rush spawns because no one will have thermals or longshots, sweats will eat noobs alive, it's a literal rook game mode
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>>563554401
i free kit because 7/10 times im match made with mutes that go and do their own thing. im not wasting my blues and purps on that. when i find a team for the night that uses comms and isn’t lobotomized i switch to what is in my vault
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>What the fuck are Bungie doing
even bungie doesn't even know.
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jesus, why is nobody talking in ranked. you know, the one mode where people SHOULD communicate.
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Embarassing
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>simply fed up with team fill
>discord randoms might as well be randoms, they talk but they still roll with low kits despite literally being in the exact scenario to run their good shit
>continually ran over in trios no matter what now
So I guess I'm a solo player now. It's still cancer when you get extract camped or ambushed with no recourse because someone was just camping a PoI but at least it doesn't feel like a constant 3v1 because your teammates are stupidly challenging by themselves and refusing to reposition.
I feel like church on blue team, genuinely.
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i said earlier in the thread that mic users should be matched with mic users. if people want to play a team game on mute that’s on them but i shouldn’t have to deal with them. just start free kitting and say hello and wait 10 seconds. if no one responds just leave and requeue
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>we’ve decided to double down on making apex except worse and experiment with a mode that nullifies the concept of loot
>also no big updates until june lol who cares if the queue times get even slower? what does that have to do with us?
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Logistically also they can't just manifest new content where they don't have. Western studios struggle with GaaS, they can't do the cadence of content Chinese games churn out every 6 weeks, western studios take 4 months per patch
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They could enable duos right now but they’re saving it for Season 2. Maybe they have data that shows the game churns even faster when duos are active and that’s why they’re holding off, but otherwise there’s no excuse not to add a duo queue right now. That doesn’t require Chinese-level development prowess.
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>this is what Marathon lost to
lmao
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>>563559740
>average 12 hours a day since release
confirmed to either have left the game open, faked the post, or legit mental illness
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>>563561298
brought nothing in but a railgun this fucking nigger
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at least we aint arc raiders sissy ass hoe
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I'm still pissed they wasted reviving the Marathon IP on fucking extraction slop that nobody wants to play
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>>563560218
Capcucks will buy anything Capcom makes regardless of quality. Even a pedophile simulator. Maybe especially a pedophile simulator, looking at the Mega Man threads.
>>563561963
>tfw we will never get to see the Security Officer put that dweeb John Halo in a headlock and give him a noogie like he deserves
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>>563562070
>Capcucks will buy anything Capcom makes regardless of quality. Even a pedophile simulator. Maybe especially a pedophile simulator, looking at the Mega Man threads.
Why is it a pedophile simulator? Does the robot man try to rape the little girl?
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>>563562034
brother just ran around deleting everyone with the ares
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marathon is definitely one of the games of all time
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>>563563367
I figured rape would be bigger
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I know this is an extraction shooter, but I swear to fuck that the nonstop PvP ruins the game. You have one friendly encounter helping another person, and that rare feel good moment is ripped away because your exfill is ruined by some faggot assassin camping in a corner, or someone thermal sniping you from across the map.
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>Muh new player onboarding
Tarkov has more players than Marathon and that game has a bunch of bullshit systems that are not new player friendly. The game is mid. If I want to explore a world with a deeper questing system and gun autism, I can go play Tarkov and soon to be Spaceov. If I want some casual thing I can go to Arc Raiders. If I want a highly-competitive shooter, why not go to the dozens of highly-competitive shooters and hero shooters. Ranked in an extraction shooter? When ranked and competitive games are all about having a level playing field and having skill being the deciding factor. Heroes in an extraction shooter when the core of the genre is tricking out your guy and making him wear that cool armor piece you found. Even if Arc doesn't do this, at least you can swap the pieces around the different skins and it has a variety of clown-core skins. The skins in this game are glorified paint jobs. So you have this weird game that wants to be a highly competitive hero shooter in a genre all about ensuring your character has the most imbalanced gear to stack the odds in your favor the second the match starts. Add on top of that ugly guns, boring AI, boring maps, limited content, and run of the mill shooting and moving, yeah no. It is not a new player onboarding problem. The game is just kinda average.
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>Tarkov has more players than Marathon and that game has a bunch of bullshit systems that are not new player friendly.
Tarkov had a decade of onboarding through drip fed development, community resources, and youtube content to guide players through it.
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one time item extraction during a match would be cool, ideally being exactly the same appearing as a normal extract and didn't require you to be there. It'd make extraction beacons more uncertain. Still needs a lot more XP and less RNG in getting keys and sheer item amounts. Let people complete shit even in death more and have more permanent progress especially if they're doing fucking wipes
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>Ranked fill
>it's a zoomer duo
>ask me if i have anywhere to go
>"Not really"
>Second guy pipes up all hyped saying they're just here to PVP AND GET GOOPED UP
>south relay
>spot a runner hiding behind a door
>neither teams are pushing
>i run up to the door, open it and stab the guy to death
>team doesn't push in.
>one guy get's downed and the third is still standing outside
>nobody pushes in to back me up and I go down
>last guy goes down without firing a bullet
I thought there were here to PvP???
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>>563562718
He is right about one thing at the end, Marathon feels too video-gamey and has fuck all for immersion. Maybe its the amount of people in the maps or how the maps are structured but you don't get lost in the world like you do with Tarkov.
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>Maybe its the amount of people in the maps or how the maps are structured but you don't get lost in the world like you do with Tarkov.
Or Destiny or Halo. This is the least Bungie-feeling game Bungie has ever made.
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i like u /mg/ dont come to outpost solos 2nite
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Chuds wanna s the d of a champion. Is it not true?
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>>563567450
kek
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Yeah idk what else you do but wait till theres af ew mins left
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>>563568127
what cool mods and weapons? did you never farm pinwheel at least?
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>>563567390
I work at Bungie and can confirm whenever I open a locked door with my badge it blares an alarm across the entire building so that everyone knows that someone entered the 3rd floor storage closet where exotic paper towels are kept. A fight ensues every time.
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>>563568307
I did pinwheel, I did cryo, I did some bosses but I never got good stuff. I only played random fills so I only managed to find keys for rooms like 3 times and out of those 3 times I never got to open them. I got wiped or camped every time.
I feel...depressed and suicidal in general.
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>>563567172
don't get back stabbed in a dark corner, mate.
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NOOOOOOOO
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Fuck you bitches
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im done
IM FUCKING DONE
i like this game but fuck im done with it. at least this season.
maybe they will fix something in season 2
but as it stands right now this shit is impossible unless you are unemployed with 2 other unemployed friends.
the first week was great. you won some, you lost some. you had a good time doing it
now?
BUBBLE SHIELD NO SCOPE 360 THERMAL SNIPER ACROSS THE MAP WITH A GOLD SHIELD AND ALL GOLDS ON FUCKING DIRE MARSH
not cryo
DIRE MARSH
IVE FUCKING HAD IT
MAKE THE GOLDS FIGHT EACH OTHER AND LET THEM PLAY THE SHITTIEST VERSION OF BLOOD GULCH. IM NOT HAVING IT ANYMORE
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And here he comes, this...Alien. And he's better.
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THIS JUST CAME OUT A MONTH AGO AND COST $300M+ AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE
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>Believing a word Bungie says
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>The team is jamming on "experiential" queues
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>load up game
>Die
>Play something else for the rest of the day
>Load up game
>Die
>Play something else for the rest of the day
My main complaint in Marathon though is 99% of the time you'll die to players which is lame
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Paul tassi killed a hunnid niggas on his way to the top
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>Me and my normie stack kill a squad with purple shields somehow
>We run 6 raids in a row and have 6 great raids
>Our 7th raid we die, but went down with a fight
>they bitch and wine "omg this game is so bullshit!"
Why do people have this mentality? We had 6 literal wins in a row where we steamrolled shit and then die once and suddenly the sky is falling.
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I'm gonna rock perimetet ranked!!!
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>>563573631
A br with no stakes and everyone on mostly equally footing where you keep the loot to use in other game modes sounds pretty good, I think the majority of consistent fun I had in this game was the first days/week when everyone was grey and green shields with whatever guns they found on perimeter and dire.
I’d watch this game end of service and feel nothing I just think in isolation, not concerning whether or not bungie is competent, it’s interesting to think about how it could be less of commercial failure.
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fess up gang which one of you told this fag off
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>>563566306
Yeah to me something makes them feel sterile or something not sure what the right word is. Every map has the vibe of running around a halo 3 map alone in a custom game, empty theme park I guess. Just not what you want in an extraction shooter
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Guys I can't play the game right now. Why? Because my vaults full. Somehow the game expects me to cough up 50k just to increase the amount of funbux I can carry in my wally. I neither want to risk my current kit at peak nighttime (mcsweats' delight) nor do I have the ability to run free kits or even Rook. I WOULD play if it wasn't for all these reasons that the game ate imposing on my right now.
Tl;dr : Bungie invented a game that actively punishes people for playing the game by so heavily restricting options while simultaneously making it too great a risk to lose. You literally can't just dick around in this game unless you melt shit or lose it. What the hell were they thinking??
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This doesn't look good. Still reading.
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>>563574216
They did the same thing with Destiny 1 going into Destiny 2. D1 was in a really good spot and then D2 decided to not take ANYTHING they had learned over the last two years, and it almost got them killed if not for Forsaken fixing most things. Edge of Fate was just peak retard from Bungie, no clue what they were thinking, that did more damage to Destiny than anything else.
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>>563562070
>imblygin both of them aren't %Hero and according to the original lore, Sec Officer/Cyborg didn't restart the universe and gave us the events of Halo
It's like you didn't watch the Mandalore video.
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>>563576425
Transits are the movement of energy and planets with time. Marathon's birth chart had issues I explained before.
The transits I find interesting for Marathon, this is only for Marathon, not Bungie directly.
Chiron was in the 11th on natal, chiron is a lifelong wound on the house of community and friendship...What else to say?
Transit wise, sun transit on natal chiron means the conversation on player counts will be the main focus, by Bungie themselves? Sony? Could expect an statement but it could refer to the experimental mode. I would expect a very very clear message about it "soon"
Basically, sun there means wound exposure. Could refer to people like Tassi talking about it that openly.
Mercury on 12th, statement about pricing or monetization... 2 days to 1 week timeframe?
Im burnt out on this game so I dont care as much as I did on launch but, saturn on lilith, mc and asc
means that there will be a course correction and attempts at work, by embracing something outside? embracing something usually supressed, what that could mean for this game i dont know, rework? not sure (2 to 6 weeks)
Something unconventional to marathon and something suppressed as the likely path forward
no clue on if it works from this
the windows for significant financial success and community building (which i mentioend would be a natural problem for the game based on its natal chart and birth) have already passed, its the past. A community never solidified.
unlikely to be shut down
next 4 to 8 weeks are critical for a course correct
PLuto 9th is interesting. Rework, destruction, the game will do two things, either step away from the live service as we think of it or casualize. Not a quick patch but a reworking of systems
Profit is still hidden due to transit venus taurus on 12th
I think the game will get a 2nd chance but not a third???
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Given the original game's lore... Sure this all seems sane and reasonable.
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New mode is going to be horrendous for normal play. Every below average retard is going to queue there, making normal queues straight death squads. So now if you want to risk your take a good kit in and you aren't running with a stacked, skilled trio, say bye-bye to your gear.
Great idea Bungo.
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I think it will go free to play, something about monetization will change thats on the chart.
if it wants to survive it wont be the same marathon that launched, i said it on launch week and ill say it again, pluto means a heavy rework is the only thing that makes the game survive the long term.
The wipe is not on the chart, too soon to be able to read that, i mean theres a method for thta but im too lazy to do it
the game is as of the transit temporal range unlikely to ever hit the 88k peak, expect 20k give or take but maybe 40k to 60k with new content, actual new content.
IF Bungie does a heavy rework or an expasion, again what im saying that "marathon as it is now cant survive" thats your player thing
eh i dont care anymore to read as in depth as i did back then
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>>563548954
You've got to be fucking kidding me. He's trying to bait some zero to hero streamer shit.
>>563546846
LOL. Try botting the report button more. You deserve what you get.
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>>563579635
>zero to hero streamer shit
That's exactly what the mode will turn into, especially since it's coming so late. Half the sweats are likely getting bored, and this will provide "content" for them in the form of a soft reset for them to shit on the ever shrinking pool of shitters.
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>>563549304
What the fuck am I even reading? This isn't some pissant minimum viable product we're talking about. This is a AAAA budget game, and we have a pretty good idea what a reasonable range of IAP spend per player is possible to make up the literal millions of dollars a month this game needs for server costs, not even considering further development. The CCU proves that there's been pretty much zero viral attraction to the game.
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>>563549440
If anything they want to reduce the number of queues, because they don't have the user base.
>>563550738
>Solve the cheating situation.
Seriously. This is bungie we're talking about.
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>>563548954
I don't know who needs to hear this but the reason why they are so weird about the duo queue and pushing it for maybe next season is they need more players to sustain it and they are hoping for a season 2 jump in players so they can turn it on also they are trying to act like this queue is "new content" to get you to come back. They gave up on this season basically.
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>>563550840
It's not concord, but it's looking ubisoft class of AAAA that will probably never hit a third of it's budget.
>>563551760
I'm not so sure. I've been promised finality before.
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>>563553906
So, what is going to be the effect here? Less free kitters trying to stop you from completing your shit? People with loads of free kit trash?
>>563554310
Sounds likely.
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>What the fuck are Bungie doing
Thrashing before death it sounds like.
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>>563580281
if you don't take them into cryo at the very least then why even have them?
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>>563577239
The channel rifle? It's good by virtue of being a sniper, but it's probably the "weaker" of the 3. The longshot is the basic bitch sniper but it's the best since it has the highest fire rate, meanwhile the Outland is useful since it has a pretty damn high base damage and the fire rate isn't too bad for a bolt action. The channel rifle can have nice base damage, but it's just a bit awkward to use "in a fight" since you have to charge it up. Supposedly it being a volt cell weapon means it builds up heat on people you shoot but there's no way to tell how much you are building up and if it's even worth it.
There's an arguement it could be useful to rock as a Triage so you can EMP people from 100m+ away? Maybe his overcharge speeds up the charging time or something, honestly have no clue. Unfortunately it's just one of the more bougie weapons that pale in comparision to stuff people can readily get cheaper and more commonly. It's still a sniper so it's good, but if we're talking raw efficientcy the longshot is probably better.
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>>563563314
In it's current form, it's guaranteed to die. They will need to make dramatic changes so it will be unrecognizable. Possibly go free to play.
>>563563767
That's not inherrent to extraction shooters. It's litteraly the enitre design focus of the game. Huge hours were spent trying to make the game maximally PVP.
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>>563565181
>just let there be a respite from the rape
That's denying the fun for the rapists.
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Why is it that devs can put a good game out the door, then just proceed to completely shit the bed when the game is at-market? Where the fuck is the team that made the game as good as it is? Surely they can't be the same ones that thing putting shitters in a special queue is going to somehow fix the game? It's just going to make it impossible to play normally, with your gear, because everyone else in normal queue is going to be total nolifers. Zero chance of running into average players in the FUCKING NORMAL MODE.
Christ what the fuck. It's Helldivers 2 all over again; they get an amazing game out the door then proceed to smear shit all over it immediately.
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I've finished the first two marathon games and am about halfway through infinity and the player movement has not grown on me at all, it's so fucking awful and floaty and slippery. Story and terminals have been cool, though.
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This game is actually more brutal than tarkov despite all the vibrant colors. The difference in skill between people who have been playing and noobs is night and day. At least in tarkov you had a chance with a lucky mosin shot to the head or a lucky nade, in this you'll get full sprinted by purple shields with shotties and get completely stomped and defeated and you'll no longer want to play unless you like cock and ball torture.
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>>563566372
Because all the people that made the bungie games you remember what they are are long gone from the company.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OoglRuT0jY
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>infinite free kits until account level 10
>3 per day after that
>1,000 credit ante on each map
>you actually have to earn the opportunity to play fun shells instead of just Rook
>fewer free kits in normal annoying everyone bringing in gear, more people exposed to low-stress and dynamic Rook gameplay
There you go, Bungie. I saved your game.
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>>563573947
Can you explain the bigger picture, in a NON rape related way?
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Isn't that the intent?
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>locking retards out of playing the game entirely
Nope. The real solution is to put freekitters in teams with other freekitters, with a big red warning popup telling you
>WARNING: YOU WILL BE PLACED IN A CREW WITH OTHER PLAYERS UTILIZING FREE SPONSORED KITS.
>Build a kit from your armory of gear to give yourself and your crew the best chance of survival!
You can trio fill with your shitkit but you won't be ruining other people's time with it. It incentivizes you to build a kit without actually saying "no you can't run". Puts players with similar expectations together as well.
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>>563582246
If the intent was to completely burn your existing playerbase, then sure yeah I guess that's the intent. It's going to piss off anyone that isn't running at the top because now you're guaranteed to be queuing up against battleroids, not even a chance of running against a shitter team or two.
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>>563582000
The other old fps games I've played feel a lot tighter to control for me, level design might play into it.
>>563582642
I'm surprised they didn't try to think up a different way to handle spawning given that tarkov has had problems with spawn rushing forever due to the static spawns. Is a good solution that hard to find?
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I heard that you're settled down
That you found a girl and you're married now
I heard that your dreams came true
Guess she gave you things I didn't give to you
Old friend, why are you so shy?
Ain't like you to hold back or hide from the light
[Pre-Chorus]
I hate to turn up out of the blue, uninvited
But I couldn't stay away, I couldn't fight it
I had hoped you'd see my face
And that you'd be reminded that for me, it isn't over
[Chorus]
Never mind, I'll find someone like you
I wish nothing but the best for you, too
Don't forget me, I beg
I remember you said
Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead
Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead
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I'm starting to hit my wall I think. 225 hours in, I just can't keep up anymore. Not even a gear thing, I take in golds and purples, I've completed cryo with subroutines and killed the compiler. I'm just getting matched with players who consistently outplay me on every level, from movement to aim. I so much as turn the wrong corner or peek to try and shoot back and I get melted.
I just wish I could go back to 2 weeks ago, I was having so much fun with my squad. We didn't always succeed but we got out pretty regularly, cleared lobbies. Now we're lucky to get a single exfil in an entire night of after work gaming.
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>Ranked trios
>sitting on top station
>see nothing
>rotate to hauler
>can hear foot steps inside
>only one set of feet
>forget solos can play with trios
>they do the profit oppurtunity
>follow them to south relay
>hear the exfil go up
>rotate to it but have to shoot bots
>steal their profit oppurtunity loot
>get in the exfil
>final seconds and a stealthed assassin hops in
dude was playing solos and we were gonna exfil with nothing until we spooked him killing bots and stole all his hard earned loot.
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>>563584562
I knew this would happen eventually, it only makes sense. As the weakest tier of players leave the next group of players gets put up on the chopping block to be farmed by better players. Just never thought it would happen so soon.
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>>563582961
>Is a good solution that hard to find?
It's not trivial. Especially as the solutions have downstream issues, like encounter frequency. Medal of Honor Airborne and fortnite solve it by having people parachute in.
Rook partially deals with this by having them show up at different points later.
Marathon's design aims towards maximum hostility at all times
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>ranked perimeter again
>watching south relay
>an assassin gets the drop on my buddy but we clean up. wait around for his team....
>IT'S ANOTHER SOLO ASSASSIN.
>he had 2 1k tags on him, a gold zues, two purple shields and back pack
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>>563585049
I don't feel like it should be that hard to designate broad areas as spawn potential zones instead of set locations, and run an algorithm at start to place players down with respect to rough distance to one another, probably in clusters. I don't get why you would ever have set spawns in these sort of games.
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>>563586189
The problem wouldn't be solved by shifting the spawn points around by 100m desu. The problem is just being able to confidently rush a much more general area and just waiting for them to make noise against bots or something
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>>563578189
Wait, so we have
>Ranked for the cheaters
>Trios for the sweats
>Freekits for the casuals
Seems like they have to make new modes for the prey to escape to.
This game is finished.
No one wants to engage with the other skill braked, and they coud have evaded all this shit by just implementing sbmm.
So the shizo was right.
All their problems just steem from not having sbmm.
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>>563595426
Chuds did thisby doing nothing
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There are set locations, but at the same time where people spawn in solo and trios is always a crap shoot, as the spawn algorithm already shuffles around the number of players and spawn points. It's the same as with the current Destroyed wing. You've got 40+ possible spawn locations for the five panels you need to shoot, but the odds of them ever being in exactly the same order is very low.
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>>563598626
maintenance ends in 3 hours
https://help.marathonthegame.com/hc/en-us/articles/39001626488596-Mara thon-Server-and-Update-Status
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ONI has launched the C.A.R.R.I. or CyberAcme Runner Reinforcement Initiative, a new protocol that rewards both solo Runners and coordinated Crews for completing contract objectives and exfiling together.
CyberAcme Commendations are a new material earned by helping crewmates complete contract objectives, completing contract objectives as a solo Runner, or successfully exfiling as a Rook. Extra commendations can be earned when you exfil with other players outside of your Crew. Play nice, now.
Added Stay Together, a new end-of-run experimental feature that allows you to stay with the Runners you just successfully exfiled with by creating a new Crew with them. Who said you can’t make friends on Tau Ceti?
Only one crewmate needs to successfully exfil for Stay Together to be available – if you’re eliminated, stay connected!
Added the capability to access the Rewards Pass from the top left display of SILK.
We want to increase the value of the Rewards Pass, both the Free and Premium tracks. As a result, we are adding 4 New Runner Shell styles, a WSTR Shotgun style, and a profile emblem to the Season 1 Rewards Pass:
Premium Track: Thief, Assassin, Destroyer
Free Track: Recon, WSTR Shotgun, Profile Emblem
Fixed an issue where the rank up rewards tutorial could be out of sequence.
Disciples of Arachne earnable shell styles are now available in the Codex.
Updated the Perimeter (Beginner) new player map to now be a solos-only map that remains available to players until Seasonal Level 12.
The Perimeter (Beginner) map presents a reduced risk of encountering other Runners.
Added five new contracts for the Perimeter (Beginner) map.
New and existing players under Seasonal Level 12 will also have access to new optional CyberAcme contracts tailored for the beginner experience to help with their first steps in Marathon.
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>ONI has launched the C.A.R.R.I. or CyberAcme Runner Reinforcement Initiative, a new protocol that rewards both solo Runners and coordinated Crews for completing contract objectives and exfiling together.
>CyberAcme Commendations are a new material earned by helping crewmates complete contract objectives, completing contract objectives as a solo Runner, or successfully exfiling as a Rook. Extra commendations can be earned when you exfil with other players outside of your Crew. Play nice, now.
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>Added 11 new Deluxe (Blue rarity) Unique weapons
>>These can drop from Showcase encounters in Perimeter and Dire Marsh. Can you collect them all?
>>Developer Note: These Deluxe Uniques follow a similar paradigm as the Prestige Uniques found in Cryo Archive Locked Rooms but are at a power appropriate for a Deluxe weapon. This means each Deluxe Unique comes with a specially designed sweetener that can only be found on that Unique version of the weapon. Happy hunting!
For example: The DRRVISH Prestige Submachine Gun found in Cryo Archive has a custom-made mod for the BRRT SMG which increases stability, handling, and accuracy when firing from the hip. It additionally has the unique trait Hypertemporal Shot that fires all 5 rounds of the burst at once in a tight spread.
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>Additionally, Perimeter (Beginner) has been adjusted to better accommodate newer players. The map will be available as a solos-only map up to Runner Level 12 for those who prefer a bit more safety as they initially navigate Tau Ceti. Just don’t let your guard down; the UESC have no mercy.
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Hmm, not bad. A lot of shit that should've been in at launch, but it seems they're realizing that no one was gonna play if it didn't have *** ******** style elements. I'm gonna continue holding off on buying for now though and see if they add a pve mode
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>>563602423
Yea i know, but the way they worded it makes it sound it's just you vs the bots
>>563602164
Can't get worse than now
Besides, they have destinyfag starving for content, i can almost guarantee (you) that a huge chunk of them would jump ship if they add a pve mode
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>Extra commendations can be earned when you exfil with other players outside of your Crew. Play nice, now.
fat fucking chance that ever happening, everyone's gotten into the shoot on sight mindset and they sure as hell won't change now
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>>563602123
It just felt inevitable at the rate the game was losing players, not to mention the fact that the Tarkov devs just announced their own sci-fi game that could literally just be space Tarkov for all we know. You can’t out Tarkov Tarkov, so you may as well make things more forgiving and chase after that wider audience.
There’s also the thing too that if hypothetically half of Bungie is working on a Destiny 3 now, that means Marathon is now going to be the one product that has to make them money since D2 is done and dusted. That would be the necessary fire lit under their ass to make them work.
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>>563603719
how do u know
>>563603865
kek
the funniest thing is the next "map" will be fucking nighttime dire marsh, making the problem even worse
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>>563603713
It’s not everyone, but that’s basically 1 out of maybe 100 games where you can find someone actually friendly. If this marks Marathon’s slow ascent into ditching the PvP or becoming more PvE focused like *** ******* then I welcome it.
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how to fix game
bubbles - gone
thermals - gone
a mixture of sbmm, rank, and loadout weighted match making
if there isnt enough players to make above happen - bot fill/ just only have 3 or 2 teams instead.
bully - nerf
higher variety of guns found in maps - im always finding the same guns in lockers
in a single exfil - lowered
maps - more
pve mode - yes. required to bring in your gold shit and make bots super hard with bungie puzzles.
vault wipe - monthly. yes monthly
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oh boy oh boy let's read the Vandal buffs
>we fixed low profile accidentally being a useful core, our bad
>ult lower cooldown, which was never a problem
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>>563604586
Look on the bright side, you made some bastards really happy last night.
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>>563571910
How many threads are you in just spamming their related steam charts?
In almost every general I see one of you retards.
Even in deadlock when Rivals was coming out you retards were screeching about how dead the game was and now it mogs all expectations.
Am I gonna catch you in /utg/ spamming about how Deltarune is dead because no one is playing it?
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>>563607745
You can find more illustrations like that here if you care to.
https://x.com/PercTau42174
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not only does that look like utter shit but this doesn't even fix the actual issue that you have to hover over a torso mod to see whether it's knife fight or survival kit. Who the fuck was complaining that they couldn't tell the difference between a head mod and a leg mod?
>leg mods used to be yellow
>reuse the yellow color, but for torso mods
everything about this is ass
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>>563612906
Beyond SBMM, it couldn’t hurt to try and copy what Arc does with Aggression Based Matchmaking. That way the more PvP happy players get lumped together with themselves in their own self contained rape dungeon.
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At least it’s one easy way to tell that they’re new. Circle ones also make it look closer to that one music track Assassin was attached to in the reveal trailer.
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>>563613267
>Circle ones also make it look closer to that one music track Assassin was attached to in the reveal trailer.
Anon, queue in as Rook right now and drop an implant. They are huge bricks. You could kill someone with those things.
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>>563613979
I've had an unfriendly encounter in Hauler with a freekitter, that's about it.
Haven't met anyone on 2nd run.
They want you to be friendly now though it seems. Arachne still exists, so I dunno. I can't be bothered to hook up a mic to shout "Friendly!" or even use the command.
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>Until Season 1 ends, new players will get a 15% boost to reputation earned for CyberAcme and NuCaloric for their first five ranks.
wow so generous
there's SOME good changes in the patch but holy fuck this company is retarded through and through
has anyone turned in the new carri currency to see if it actually gives anything worthwhile? or is it a 10% chance for blue salvage kind of deal
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>>563613979
Ran into a guy with only his knife out in the middle of Dire Marsh. He backed up around a wall as I went to shoot, and started spamming a voice command that I could barely hear. Equipped my knife and tea-bagged, he tea-bagged back. Then we just ran past each other.
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>>563613267
I don't see why ABMM would be a big deal, the game is still designed in a way where there is only so much loot on a map. You'll still need to fight over pinwheel if you actually want mats for instance. Seems like a no brainer to bump player retention
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>>563614671
Here's what you can get currently.
LMG costs 5.
Mods are Exit Buddy, killing an enemy gives movespeed.
And you can exchange 25 for 500 rep of any faction.
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>>563602893
>Destroyer nerf
>more heat per thrust, fuck you if you fat finger your shield or situation changes where you don't need it right then and there
I hate you so much, Bungo. Now Thief shits on everyone as the defacto class. Superior mobility, target acquisition and harassment.
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>>563617737
idk, hopefully game will become friendlier from now on.
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But guess not...
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>download game for this update
>have to use sponsor kit for Analcne skins
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>Problem
Thermals too oppressive on long-range weapons
>Solution
Remove them as an option from long-range weapons
>What Bungie did
Gave a slight nerf to distance amd made every fight revolve around signal jammer
How the fuck do they manage to make shit WORSE?
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>players complain game is hard so it's bad
>feel the urge to play and be good at it
>remaining players are happy with update and are excited
>I don't wanna play it anymore
I really don't like seeing people happy
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You arent' serious are you? This is like some toilet paper spark leaves so the noobs can wipe their asses with.
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Amazing spawns Bungie, as always.
>>563613979
I haven't played since Apr 5th until today but in the 5-6 matches I've played, in 2 of those I had someone ask me to cover them to underneath South Relay to do his cache quest, and another dude asked to chill because he was just doing a kill x enemies with a volt weapon quest.
Small sample size but out of the ordinary compared to what it was like when I was playing the game daily.
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>play like 6 runs in a premade
>only in one of those i managed to do my quest
>able to kill at least one team per run or run away
>team got a key from those you need to exfil on a run
>do a run with the key, instantly killed and rushed by a team, no loot
>outpost wipe
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>net negative inventory value
>less CARRI commendations
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>>563628953
They're just banking on people that have no clue what Destiny's cosmetic situation is like, because there the paid cosmetics can go on sale, can be purchased with bright dust (free currency), and offer more for less.
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>>563631071
>one year since the hack last year that took down the site
>this shit starts happening
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>>563632390
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ruined for sure.
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>>563630432
you can't even report other players other than your teammates. so if you're in solo being a faggot i guess your safe. afaik you can't see enemy names unless you kill them or they kill you so you can't even check the recently played with list either.
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>>563634817
>he had hope
HAHAHAHAHA! No it won't.
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>>563566306
It's the lack of gear customisation for me. I like being able to pick up a grimy helmet and wear it in other extraction shooters, I also like the eating animations and the limb damage system.
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I bought the Recon one. It looks the best out of all of them
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The main problem for me is just how clean the enviroments are. I understand they're going for the striking clean visuals and the place is definitely abandoned (obviously there's no one around) but it doesn't look and feel like a colony that's been radio silent for almost 100 years. There needs to be more garbage or evidence of the UESC setting up shop and blockading the planet. I know the UESC lore wise are doing a double cover up (initial colony were doing a coverup and the UESC we're fighting are the reinforcements doing a cover up of the cover up) but there should be more apparent evidence of "things have gone terribly wrong". Like scars that can't be properly hidden.
Qurantine is a good example of a place that feels immersive. The place is dripping with the feeling of something bad happening there, even if you haven't read the codex entries or looked too deeply into things. They just struggle to replicate that frequently, and I suppose it's hard cause you can't make something like maintenance a horror show because like...It's just a big hanger bay and shed at the end of the day.
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>>563638154
>added depleted self-revive kits in solos
>added mercy kits to revive downed enemy players and rooks start with one
>event going on right now where you get bonus commendations to use in the armory for exfiling with other runners in solo
>faster xp gain
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>>563631168
Definite rape. There's no clue if barret could have actually stuck his vision within a reasonable budget, but losing him, and more importantly, picking the Metoo crowd that's even more bloated and slow than peak D2 era Bungie.
>>563632594
Zeigler's an idiot who got the focus he wanted, but was so out of touch with actual fucking players that it's still on track to be one of the worst financial performances ever. If there's going to be any kind of success from this game, it will look nothing like the game at launch.
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>is it worth getting as a purely solo player?
Absolutely not. You're still locked out of the best map.
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WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SWEATS ON PERIMETER AND DIRE MARSH IM JUST TRYING TO DO PRIO QUESTS
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Wait that explains it, usual fills are playing solo while tryhards are swarming trio lobbies. Man fuck this game
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>add the communications wheele "Code" from Metal Gear Online
>now we can finally coordinate without shouting STOP STOP STOP into the microphone
There, I saved the CARRI system.
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>If there's going to be any kind of success from this game, it will look nothing like the game at launch.
Frankly I would welcome that. I still think Marathon 2026 has a cool world, but I wouldn't be terribly up if they were to slowly shift their focus to something more PvE centered.
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>spawn in
>get wiped by purples with 7th Column and Pure Punishment doing nothing but PKing
>spawn in
>get wiped by purples with 7th Column and Pure Punishment doing nothing but PKing
>spawn in
>get wiped by purples with 7th Column and Pure Punishment doing nothing but PKing
This update is fucking ass what the absolute fuck did they do to the matchmaking?
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IT LITERALLY JSUT HAPPENED AGAIN
IT LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED AGAIN I WALK TWO STEPS IN DIRE MARSH AND NIGGER FAGGOT TRIPLE DESTROYERS WITH PURPLES AND 7TH COLMUN RUSH ME CAN THESE NIGGERS DIE I HOPE THEY UNINSTALL WHEN THEY ONLY PLAY AGAINST EACHOTHER STARTING TOMORROW
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>>563639641
What? Not at all. There's been no fucking change lmao. Nothing has changed at best teams wanna do their contracts together but guess what? YOU CAN STILL GET FUCKED OVER JUST LIKE THAT
I once again tried being friendly with some faggot on solo and even told him, i came with a knife not even a free kit to do a quest and still got killed lmao.
I really wanna quit this game but I don't even know why I play it. I hope my astrology posting is right and this shit or Bungie die around November.
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YOU
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GUESS
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MARSH
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DESTROYER NERFS? My vault is down 30k in one session and I don't even get to play the game? It has literally NEVER been this bad until the update, at most I used to have two bad runs in a row, but the fact it has been EVERY SINGLE MATCH tonight I hope Ziegler mangles his body in a car wreck immediately.
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>>563639641
No? Unlike Arc Raiders, people often have better shit on them then you can find in the world, so there's plenty incentive to kill people still.
>>563639716
I've played 5 solo games and every one had someone teaming up with another player and I've also exfilled with another player for every game. Now that there's a reason to keep people alive people are much more inclined to cooperate so they can keep their shit.
Personally I've just been doing the fire emblem strat
>Find person
>Down them
>"Join me amigo, let's keep each other safe"
>Revive with mercy kit
>Have a bodyguard for the rest of the match
For some reason downing people just mentally resets them. Guess it's like a dominance thing. Regardless CARRI is very much impacting how people play in solos.
>>563639972
The console players are the worst with that, especially when they have open mic and the mic is crammed down their throat
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>>563640086
>>Have a bodyguard for the rest of the match
I'm using sponsor kits for Aracne skins and if I see that happen, I won't be able to resist attacking them. I hate this friendly shit so much. I'll probably die but still try to jump them.
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>>563639965
>WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DESTROYER NERFS?
I know you're fishing for outrage but destroyer has never been a problem and its irresponsible of you to spread misinformation like that.
Also its well documented that people are placed over and over in the same lobbies together. There's just not enough players to make match making diverse.
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>>563639641
Not even remotely. Marathon is still a rapefest at its core, its just less frustrating and less punishing on death compared to how it was yesterday.
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>get on after 4 day break due to boredom
>lets just do a rook run and find others to test this event
>warden still up at 12min
>run across map to it while yelling in prox
>don't encounter a soul
>clear some nearby uesc
>ctd with no error code
>load back in, dead
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Custom loadouts are now more expensive. Have to bring 2 grenades and 2 smokes, every time. For moments when two faggots go to exfil together.
>Reach the activated exfil
>Throw smoke to make them step away, or look at it
>Shoot one of them
>Throw a grenade into the smoke
>Second grenade outside of the smoke
>Shoot more and one should be knocked
>Switch weapon and get the second dude
Doable, can't get close though. Have to stay at least 35M away, so two SMGs can't shred me.
I will kill both if they team up.
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Yeah I dunno what the fuck happened to the matchmaking but I have never seen so many Cryo Archive emblems and banners in back to back to back matches. Trios is unplayable until they do starter-kit matches.
>>563640419
No, Destroyer is objectively heads and shoulders above the rest, along with Thief. Both of them need hard, real nerfs. Not "17% more heat on dash" or "can only place one claymore on drone" fuck that shit, it's oppressive as hell to always be rushed down by those two in first minute of a match.
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>>563641528
Bungie is making an AAA game for Sony's next console. Nothing's gonna happen to Bungie, until the new game flops on the next PlayStation system. So they have at least two(likely three) years till they get fucked.
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Yeah I dunno what the fuck happened to the matchmaking but I have never seen so many Cryo Archive emblems and banners in back to back to back matches. Trios is unplayable until they do starter-kit matches.
>>563640419
No, Destroyer is objectively heads and shoulders above the rest, along with Thief. Both of them need hard, real nerfs. Not "17% more heat on dash" or "can only place one claymore on drone" fuck that shit, it's oppressive as hell to always be rushed down by those two in first minute of a match.
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>>563641773
>Why does Bungie hate assault rifles so much?
If you have good assault rifles, it's harder to make good meme guns(precision, aka marksman rifles).
Nobody uses a single precision rifle on Warzone(there's like nine of them), because ARs are good.
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Yeah I dunno what the fuck happened to the matchmaking but I have never seen so many Cryo Archive emblems and banners in back to back to back matches. Trios is unplayable until they do starter-kit matches.
>>563640419
No, Destroyer is objectively heads and shoulders above the rest, along with Thief. Both of them need hard, real nerfs. Not "17% more heat on dash" or "can only place one claymore on drone" fuck that shit, it's oppressive as hell to always be rushed down by those two in first minute of a match.
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>it's oppressive as hell to always be rushed down by those two in first minute of a match.
You only needed twenty seconds to get onto a random, unexpected spot, above the ground, doesn't need to be very high. And just ambush them. Not gonna work with two retarded teammates, but 1V1 both Vandal and Destroyer are easy to knock out.
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The game's just not fun man. It uses the excitement of getting good loot like a carrot on a stick.
Despite having good moments, it's overall net-negative fun. For every amazing exfil, there's 10 runs where I get killed by some bullshit I didn't have time to react to. Turn a corner and two tapped by a shotgun. Try going from one POI to another and get sniped by somebody so far away they were probably about 5 pixels on my screen. And in the moment to moment I feel incredibly stressed cause I know any second someone can pop out of nowhere and kill me in less than a second.
And ultimately average skill players just end up being loot pinatas for streamers, sweats and hackers. I'm not adverse to pvp, but only when I'm generally on equal footing with my opponents. Extraction shooters inherently have unbalanced matchups, even with sbmm there would be imbalance due to the loot.
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>>563639841
> I really wanna quit this game but I don't even know why I play it
https://youtu.be/DmP5T8ASmMk
This video isn’t perfect or anything but I think it’s good enough. When I watched this I got the impression the guy who made it barely even played a marathon if at all, but I think someone who has can think of even more first hand experiences of the kind of tricks at play this guy is describing.
Neither your brain nor anyone else’s is fully evolved or equipped to deal with what technology can do it. The game is designed in such a way to throttle you between chemical highs and lows in an unhealthy way. Basically your brain, like your runner, is being raped.
As a side note I find incredibly funny, you can look at the comments on that video and see tons of people being like
>yup this feels like I’m in the casino, it’s amazing, bungie cooked!
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>>563642276
I've been enjoying it for a month but today feels fucking awful, absolutely no carri points because we just get swarmed immediately on every map. They flipped a switch, it was not like this for me even yesterday.
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>>563641996
It's rather that CoD atleast tries to partially adhere to realistic standards for guns, which means that AR's are just basically precision rifles on auto. You usually want the AR options to be mid-range, while you want your precision options to be mid-to-long range. Currently for AR's, there are options for all three and for precision things like Stryder, Hardline and Twin Tap work as intermediary options. Overrun's largest problem hasn't really ever been that it's bad at the optimal range, it's that Bully still tended to have some staying power in the range Overrun is at it's best.
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>>563642276
>The game's just not fun man. It uses the excitement of getting good loot like a carrot on a stick.
Never gave a fuck about loot, love exfil killing those, who want to keep their stuff. Making someone nervous or upset, that's where the pleasure comes from.
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>This is exactly the reason extraction shooters are conceptually flawed.
I disagree, the shooter is fun, when you do the shooter thing. Everything else is secondary.
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>hows the update boys?
It's not bad, you can pick up a new item to show mercy to someone, and revive them without wasting a self-rez.
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>usually just afk and farm keys in solo
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>>563644590
my genuine unironic advice being the rapist end: just dont don't go afk to go go your walk dog, brew your coffee, shit on the toilet and read your novel, drive your chud autistic child to school, and jerk off with the headphones off so the wife doesn't walk in on you. hope this helps!
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>>563644189
The map barely needs any changes to accommodate solos.
Honestly, keep the amount of bots the same, you just need to bring in more ammo/meds to counter that which is a fine entry price.
The only real thing that needs changing is the compiler fight because that's the only mandatory part where you need more than 1 other person to draw the Compiler's aggro
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>Get in a team fight
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>game is bad AND has the illusion of difficulty
>dedicated premades have solved the game from week 1 and are the ones making it hard for everyone else, but the game is easy peasy for them
>fanboys (premade warriors) are convinced the only reason anyone would dislike the game is because they are bad at it
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>You know something, you know something
>If you had told us one week ago we'd be hitting 26k on a Tuesday, we would've given anything for that
>You know something, you know something
>Not only are we hitting 30k this weekend, we're hittin' 40k, and 50k, and 60k, and 70k, and 80k, and 90k, and 100k!!!
>AND WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH SEASON 2 AND TAKE BACK THE STEAM CHARTS!
>YEEAAHHHH!!!!
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>Bubbles, Self-Rez, and Thermals increase in price and are bumped up in rarity
On paper this sounds good, except the reality is the people using all of those every match with 10 more in their vault at all time arent affected. Those are also the same people with 800k+ credits minimum, while the average players reaches maybe 100k if they're frugal. These aren't nerfs, they're Reaganomics.
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>>563633369
Go on sponsored kit and do priority
contracts solo, for hard contracts do them trio fill. Nucaloric gives the best rewards cuz it saves your money from being spent on heals and shields. Getting access to nucaloric heal bartering is op, you can get 3-9 shields or heals for 1 random salvage you will never use. The strongest cheap weapon is v11 punch. v11 is an S tier gun for 50 only and its ammo costs nothing. After doing quests and getting money and access to heal bartering, play trio fill outpost with v11 punch and a few heals. Learn all green card location spawns and rush the pinwheel, you should be in b4 2 mins have passed. Only do drone wing and destroyed wing as fast as possible and then look for an extract b4 rooks spawn (when timer reaches 15 minutes). dont fight any bots in outpost nor pinwheel and skip all of them. play thief for this trio fill strategy so you can quickly find the best loot with her visor.
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>>563653983
They either have to get exceptionally lucky and hope the game somehow catches on with S2, or invest in a complete overhaul, which would be astronomically stupid considering how much they've already invested for such a dud launch.
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SURGING! SLAMMING! BLASTING!
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>>563654542
S2 is a month and a half away, and it's likely set in stone. Plus a pve mode launching in June alongside the supposed major D2 update would interfere and they'd cannibalize each other. An overhaul would likely be S4 at the earliest
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>>563654183
I'm unsure of why people don't WANT to play it in the first place. The launch was horrific. There was a free server slam for people to try it (and it still pulled less numbers than Arc Raiders' launch), a lot of Twitch ads from the biggest streamers, and still only 88k? player peak at launch. It seems that people simply don't care about it for one reason or another, most likely the simplest answer of "It just looks bad" or "There are more interesting games". It's not the retarded "it's not fun for casuals" argument, they genuinely never even bothered with the game. My friends that tried it simply left after less than 5 games, despite us winning. They just didn't find it interesting compared to other games, or didn't want to bother with yet another grind after learning of the contracts, the sponsors and the upgrade trees.
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>unsure of why people don't WANT to play it in the first place
Some games just don't catch on. And it has the same elements from games we've seen a million times (team-based FPS with hero characters and skins). It has no other hook besides the aesthetic, which I think was a bigger turn-off than most people think. Super anecdotal but my dad played D2 quite a lot from launch till Witch Queen, and when I showed him the Marathon trailers, he thought it looked ridiculous. Then I explained what an extraction shooter was and he was completely out.
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>tell friend to try game and join us as third since new update fixes some complaints
>"hold on let me check steam charts"
>starts comparing to arc raiders
I'd like to think he was just tryna be funny but holy shit.
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>>563657268
People are absolutely buck broken about charts these days, I would imagine they're in the same cohort that watches streamers play games instead of playing games themselves, which is equally as cucked.
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>>563657956
it's a live fucking service slop - steam charts are important to determine whether matchmaking will be ass or not and whether it's worth investing any time into it before it gets rug pulled. fucking retards, it's not a game you own to play whenever
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>>563657268
Mentally broken by companies into becoming a little zealot for the one live-service game they spend all their free time on.
People who actively care about charts on a day to day basis are truly The Raped.
Unless the charts for a multiplayer-only game are at 1k or less, anything higher is still playable.
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>farming rep for sekiguchi
>just want to play thief
>keep getting the "kill hostiles with your abilities" contract
I want to dunk this worm in milk and throw her against a wall
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Being hidden behind a wall but not realising a part of you is somehow sticking out and is abundantly clear to someone and dying cause of it sucks so bad. Just lost a relatively nice kit from it and it blows
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I still don't know how people are even getting prestige salvage. I've done like 10+ lockdowns, gotten crap tons of warden kills, been in 15+ purple rooms, exfilled 5 times in cryo and been in a vault twice and still haven't found a single prestige salvage.
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>>563651190
yeah imo they should dump it but if they absolutely have to have it for the """high elo clippable plays""", they should just make it last like 10 seconds like in halo 3, theres no reason it needs to instantly make any fight shotgun optimal range and also last basically forever. if it just had a short timer itd still be an annoying stall but not an auto "you lose this fight if you dont win a wstr 50/50 or turn around and leave" button
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Based chart checker.
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>>563659316
i've only ever found prestige salvage from the anomaly, 3 hazard capsules and 4 or 5 synapse cubes. like you i've never found any from the wardens, purple keys, lockdowns or anything else. no prestige keys though, i understand those rooms normally have 1 or 2 prestige salvage.
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>>563660415
40 bucks is much.
I like traps, but trannies are just delusional psychos, they belong in a ward.
I played the game for 80 hours.
Most of it for sunk cost fallacy.
If this shit was free, i woud have stopped playing after the first 5 hours.
Its just not fun, i want it to fail, and i want my refund.
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>>563660014
Not true, but we thrieve on intrensic motivation.
We coudnt be arsed to do shit some fucker(or friends, fuck flavour of the month) appoints us to.
And if i have to pay so we can play a shitty game only you enjoy, im out.
And dont forget, most zoomers atleast witnnesed one of their games go EoS, so they calculate before investing in a product they might not be able to use in the near future.
Tldr, zoomers dont fall for low effort scams, and we dont give a fuck about trends if youre not part of the modern normoid audience.
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I played 6 runs tonight and I swear people were cheating in 3 of them.
One in dire marsh, guy hitting strange ass snipes from weird angles while I was crouched under Intersection.
Ranked with teams of 6 converging on POIs in Perimeter.
Two teams converging on us in Flight Control key room, 8 minutes into the match.
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alright I spent 30 bucks to get raped because a friend got a rape coupon from humble bundle and roped me in
what should I really know? I played the tutorial match then a real match and exfiled. I like Thief and John Marathon the most from design so I'm probably just gonna play them for now but I know Rook is its own thing and all that
What should I be aware of, gameplay tips etc
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I mean we know why the game doesn’t have a replay system, why spectates dont shift to the player that killed you and why ranked has no spectate after you’ve wiped.
Some cheaters have speculated that there is literally 0 anticheat, that it’s not worth running anything on the servers as it costs money and you’ll never completely one up them either.
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I have no idea what Carri is. I read the patch notes, I don’t get where the tokens come from or what you have to do or how you know other teams have shared contracts.
Can you do an Arachne contract, kill half of your team and another team, extract with those other members and get points?
I have zero idea what this system is.
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grinding seki contracts has been so miserable. Did the entire priority contract questline and only got to level 18 faction rank since I was solo. Been doing almost exclusively their repeatable contracts for 2 weeks and it's just non stop
>go to perimeter or outpost and exfil with circuits
>be loud as fuck killing UESC and get yourself inevitably killed
>take up your entire backpack space with cores and implants and kill uesc in one run and exfil
>play vandal because every other shell is bugged and you can't do the "kill uesc with abilities" missions with them consistently
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>>563664604
There's literally a message in your inbox explaining it but basically
>when you complete other crewmates contracts or play solo and complete your contract you get commendations
>when you exfil with someone NOT from your crew (solo, as a rook or with another enemy team) you get a commendation
Commendations are an item that you can exchange with CyberAcme to get some shit like salvage packs, reputation packs, key templates, backpacks and there's gonna be some stuff that updates and changes everyday.
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I don't think commendations are actually going to encourage full cooperation, but rather they're there as an incentive for people to not fight over an exfil or discourage dick-ass rogue from finishing you 2 seconds before exit (still not guaranteed).
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>>563665762
All the DMRs are good. Hardline needs the most help but once it has attachments it's actually quite the workhorse. Lookout remains my fav though, you just demolish shields with it and it has basically no recoil. Slap a scope on one and you have a weapon to challenge snipers.
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>>563664604
Peak retard alert
You're supposed to be friendly now, it's better for you to do so. Exfil with others will make you god.
I've been on 8 matches and zero carri minded people. This game couldn't be more stupid with how it conditions people into being lobby murderers.
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Whenever you see flares over a building, that means that building has lockboxes in it, which require a lootable/purchasable key. You can use Thief's box scanning ability to see which one has the highest rarity, but be careful because those zones are usually filled with campers.
If a player has a mic in solos and is generally willing to talk, they tend to be friendly from my experience. No reason in trying to kill them.
Its best to get upgrades for the CyberAcme, NuCaloric, and Arachne factions. CA is great for increasing your heat/sprint duration and increasing your vault space, NuCaloric gives cheap purchasable shields among other free bonuses, and Arachne gives purchasable shotguns, or even just shotguns/free LMGs when you make progress with that faction. Shotguns are useful incase you get approached by any hostile player coming at you with their rape knifes.
The UI can still be a mess, but in the Armory its worth scrolling to the very bottom to find out which items are "Priority items". That basically translates into free items that are given out once a day, which can moderately reduce the frustration you get with death.
Above all else, still keep in mind that this patch didn't exactly make the Marathon playerbase that much friendlier. This is still a rape or be raped game and 9 out of 10 encounters will still result in KOS gunfights.
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>>563665258
>hardcore extraction shooter
>sniper reticle can highlight enemy hitbox from miles away
Just give me whatever the fuck Bumgo was smoking for 7 years when they were making this dumpster fire
Also captcha is fucked yet again
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I dunno about this whole friendly exfil thing, still pretty sketchy. Guess it makes sense to down other person if you have a lot to lose, but it also seemed like he was going for a finisher, eh.
Also, think I'm never going to Outpost again, I'll get my drone nodes from those flying drones on Perimeter instead.
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>>563668468
>Guess it makes sense to down other person if you have a lot to lose
I've done that in the past.
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>>563638568
No. They haven't promised shit, but I expect them to include someday, unless they get shut down. Solos was a last second change and it shows. And I'm not sure they fundamentally can fix the problem with balance without fucking up trios.
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i have like 300h in the game now and the painful realization is sinking in that this is another one of those games that is intentionally designed so good players cant get ahead too much. mechanical skill is far less important than LE POSITIONING and decision making.
you can always die to rats or rats with claymores.
you can always get faggotbitchstr'd.
you can always completely nullify the advantage one team had over you by throwing bubbles and holding the bubbles with faggot shotguns.
you can always just run to a high ground and camp.
you can camp and win a match by doing nothing for 20 minutes.
you can win a fight because they couldnt see you (thanks visibility)
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>>563667903
Thanks brother, yeah I was looking through and it seemed like NuCaloric and shields were gonna be pretty important from what I've seen lurking.
Any particular standouts in ARs and Precision Rifles? I understand ARs are kinda mid overall from what people say but I like the feel of them anyways
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