Current game poll
>>2451714

Game descriptions
>>2451882

Anniversary revist poll
>>2454013

There's still time to put in your vote for puzzle pirates, bros.

minigame doko

got prison tales and puzzle pirates both setup only a few more hours left and puzzle pirates is close to winning

>>2467311
REEEEE DONT EARLY PLAY IT

>>2465511
I missed it all and thats why I want it to win the replay. I wanna be an Ithorian Entertainer and give you all lap dances.

Puzzle Pirates getting cucked into second place for the fourth or fifth time would be really funny. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

>>2467752
Im not Im playing poker right now. I just like getting the games setup early because the settings are always jank and they were for both PT and PP

It's happening bros.

most underwhelming 2 weeks coming right up

YARR MATIES

moist swashbuckling 2 weeks coming arr-ight up

GUYS DON'T VOTE FOR PUZZLE PIRATES THE PUZZLE PIRATES GUY CAN'T FUCKING PLAY IT THIS WEEK

>>2468444
that was a different puzzle pirates guy it wasn't THE puzzle pirates guy. we are many

argh maties get ready to set sail and clean up da poop deck

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>tfw was looking forward to being a rapist in prison tales
>now have to steal booty in puzzle pirates

someone RIGHT NOW needs to play early and get narrow/proficient in all puzzles to make a crew or we'll not be able to communicate

>>2468513
Done.

>>2468513
deal but after the next hour I can't play until monday :)

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>>2468513
it's not every puzzle actually

>>2468499
its 'priston' tales, not prison

>>2468513
wasnt the guy who advocated for it saying he was going to buy a big ship for all of us to play on?

>>2468691
its forever prison tales now

>>2468444
The Puzzle Pirates guy who was gonna lend us the ship can't play it but the other Puzzle Pirates guy can

>>2468513
We have a couple with pre-established characters already.
Question is, what Ocean are we playing on?

>>2469072
emerald, it's the most populated of the free oceans. the other you need to be subscribed to join

>>2469072
Emerald is the only playable dubloon ocean. The others are either subscription or completely dead.

I have a character that can make the crew.

how do you check which ocean youre on?

I only like 2 out of the puzzles and all the others give me heartburn so I'll only be bilging and rumble/swordfighting

>>2469132
When you go to character select screen it should say under it

>>2469081
>>2469087
Would there even be players on subscriber oceans? Any game that has a subscriber only server is usually absolutely dead because by default the free to play server has more people and you wanna be where the most people are.

>>2469135
Im glad someone will do bilging, I personally hate those puzzles. swordfighting is fun and I like sailing since its the most like tetris

>>2469135
Its been a while but I remember liking rigging so I will be an absolute rigger

>>2469135
Most people end up specializing in a puzzle because its easier to get good at one thing rather than all of them. I absolutely hate navigating and I can't do carpentry for the life of me but I love sailing. There will be a mix of rumble and swordfighting as we go.

>>2469141
There's some players on it but I don't know how many, it's not a lot though. Subscriber oceans don't work for this project though so it's disqualified from the start anyway.

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>>2468499
Fuck I was unironically excited to try Priston as well

>>2469145
oh wait no my absolute favorite is carpentry. ill do that if no one else will. everyone should probably learn swordfighting im guessing
\>>2469155
is there a crew yet?

>>2469171
We don't start officially playing until tomorrow after pictures are done for London. We also need to vote on a crew name and there's not a poll up for that yet.

>>2469167
it did look quite fun but been looking forward to puzzle pirates as well

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Walk the Poll: https://poal.me/r1abgx
https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Crew

Puzzle Pirates Bros.. we finally did it.

>Puzzle Pirates wins around the time the Puzzle Pirates anon stops posting

Hey I have another name idea but you can only suggest one so can someone also suggest "Sea's Closed" in the poll for me, thanks

Reminder you can also name your ship, so that'll need to be another poll.

>>2469419
The ship renames need to be approved by GMs and come with a lot of restrictions. It also costs Rogue Marks (which you can buy from other players) so we would need funds for that as well.

https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Official:Services/Ship_renaming_rules

is there pvp? we need to become the most feared ship on the open seas

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Just in case, ship name poll: https://poal.me/iaimci

>>2469676
Numerals aren't allowed in ship names.
>>2469533

Ok, niggers wut puzzle pirates server are we playing, official?

>>2469711
Official, Emerald Ocean.

>>2469719
Why official when Puzzle Pirates Replanked pserver exists?

wew, this game sucks ass. Are you faggots intentionally rigging for the shittiest games available?

>>2468444
>>2468455
yeah I've shilled for puzzle pirates and been called le puzzle pirate schizo before, almost like you socially retarded faggots aren't as good at recognizing posters as you think

the ironing
all of you puzzle pirate faggots are annoying as fuck

glad this slop is finally out of the way

>>2469873
>t. rigger

>only 1 week off
>enough to play a cool forgotten MMO with /v/ frens.
>This week they will play the shittiest game ever.
i hate you.

game looks fun as fuck and is for the little I played. anons shit on hellgate initially and everyone seemed to enjoy that lets give puzzle pirates an actual chance. might not have the best graphics but icarus did and that game was complete dogshit that had everyone quit 3 days in

>>2470031
icarus had the ugliest visuals i've seen in a game ngl

>>2470031
There will be grumblers for every game we play. Most of the games that win the polls are barely 50% of the votes with it being people's fourth or fifth choice.

>>2470031
>might not have the best graphics
fuck you anon I think it looks very comfy

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>check out spiritvale since it's been a few weeks
>entire server list is either SEA or AUS
>literally one NA server
so fucking sick of seamonkeys. give me the brazilians, not these cunts

>>2470031
>>2469873
REEEE STOP EARLY PLAYING

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Game 52 Finals are over.
The winner and the next game for the MMOdventure is...

Puzzle Pirates!

results link:
https://www.rcv123.org/results/Hx4mWwgWPrPp2Fgrwg9Jqq2q/

>>2470031
hellgate was dogshit thoughbeit

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reading a bit more and it seems baghlah would be best for us, it would also be really good to have a sloop for when only a few people are online

>>2470519
ooof

>account deactivated for inactivity
kill faggot games/sites that do this fuck you forever

>>2470932
This is the ship the one anon said he would provide the dubloons for so all of us could play together on one ship

>>2470932
I've been trying to buy a bagh but no one is selling a pre-made one. I think I'll have to have it built. I was able to pick up a war frigate so everyone will be able to play at the start and we can figure out what ship fits us best after.

The frigate came an absolutely cursed name though. So get ready for that.

>>2472157
You'll have some time, a lot of day one will probably be people working with the Navy in order to learn the puzzles etc.

What time are we officially starting?

>>2472905
7pm est

>>2470222
they're more like region based channels you can swap to at any time rather than true servers

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>>2466551
Puzzle Pirates /v/ thread.
>>>/v/739021154
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>>2473344
Made the crew. To join either send me a tell or when you make your character, click the notice board, go to the events tab and find an event happening on admiral island (there will be a lot) and whisk there. From there click the top right to access the map and go to the palace under government buildings, it'll be easy to meet up there.

I dunno if to use my old pirate from years ago or start anew. My old one doesn't have much but he has some proficiency skills which might help, thing is I need to relearn all the puzzles because I forgot.

>>2473381
Proficiency and experience don't make your score higher or lower or anything. It may make you start on more difficult puzzles though. You're fine to use your old pirate if you want or start a new one.

going to play some poker than hop on puzzle pirates.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Apocrea event on Spiral Knights from now till the 25th by the way.

It's just sidegrades to Acheron and Sentenza (and, for the first time in a long time, an added Costume Shield from normal gameplay), but if you're missing them it might be worth to hop on.

>>2473370
im at the palace, shit is emptier than my love life.

>>2473370
>>2473821
We've moved to pillaging, send a tell to honeyapps and I'll get you an invite directly to the vessel.

>>2468499
Pirates weren't exactly un-rapey, anon.

Ship's docked at port for now. Most people are taking a break.

If you want to play more, check out the navy missions if you want to practice puzzles or the voyages tab and apply to job for a crew and earn some money.

Thanks for coming lads.We'll get better next time.

>>2473924
If this game has two weeks of content I'll be really surprised. This seems more like mini-game tier. I don't really think it'll be fun for me unless we can get a big group together again

For whenever our ship isn't voyaging but you still wanna play
>Click Ye
>Click Notice Board
>Click missions for Navy missions which are the NPC missions and if you complete them you get money
>Click Voyages to find player ran voyages, ask to join their ship and you're off

>>2473926
> If this game has two weeks of content I'll be really surprised.
I think I've seen everything I wanted from this game. Holy shit what a horrible pick

prison tale or latale woulda been good

>>2473933
This is why we need people to last minute rig.
Examples of other last minute rigs:
>Hellgate London
>Wakfu

Examples of non rig wins:
>Riders of Icarus

>>2473926
Yeah its more of a social game than anything you'll find most people playing Poker or Dice or the Drinking games really.

There is some more challenging and varied stuff later on like Sea Monsters hunting, Expeditions which are basically their versions of dungeons, Boss Sword fights, Treasure Hunting etc. and of course pvp plundering But it's grindy to get there, having to find the maps that lead you there.

>>2473958
Wakfu was really fun, hellgate is kinda whatever. Lobby based games are boring imo. I'm still surprised icarus ending up beating latale last minute

Probably jumped the gun at doing a voyage this early, I felt a little thrust into the deep end and probably should have done the tutorial and first couple of missions first. It got easier once the boat was downscaled but pretty confusing at first.

>>2473968
Generally whatevers in the lead never wins, second place always sneaks up. I also think people are looking for something other than generic weeb games at this point as they're a little samey at this point. Though I think it's been enough time that we can do another and it'll feel fresh.

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our ships

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Looks like there's a governing system.

Icarus bros we can't stop winning!

what did he mean by this

>>2473973
Problem is: They're all like that because they work really well in multiplayer when you have lots of people.

Three shit games in a row.

>>2474076
I just wanna play decent mmos man. Thought I was going to hate toontown but it was actually pretty fun. Iris online I thought it was going to be complete dogshit but it was okay enough(still kinda dog because server owner thinks a private server should be p2w as hell) on the other hand icarus which should have been good on paper was complete dogshit. Icarus was fun for all of 10 minutes, Hellgate was fun for like 2 hours before it got ultra repetitive. Puzzle pirates was fun for about 30 minutes. Honestly even bad games are funny when people show up but people just end up ghosting for 2 weeks and it basically puts the project on ice till the next vote

>>2474140
Why we should stop putting meme games in the vote. I don't want to play Puzzle Pirates so I won't. And I probably won't want to play the next meme game someone rigs to win either.

>>2474147
I think if people show up it can still be fun, it's that people vote these games and then they don't even play it. Besides showing up the Saturday pictures and that's a maybe. Then we're cucked for 2 weeks

>>2474147
nigga these are all meme games
they're all shit that's why they're all dead
get over yourself

>>2474076
Hellgate was fun, we had lots of anons playing daily

PP is not a bad game, but it doesn't fit the scope of our project, game needs everyone to show up to be fun, if you miss the initial batch with all the anons getting a ship, sailing and parking, you are done, everything that remains is travelling with boring NPC shields since all the players have their shit parked in taverns nowadays.

The endgame content looks fun from what I gathered, but there is literally no way we can get there in 2 weeks, so the whole game feels wasted

>>2474166
Some of us do i stuck with hellgate and that game got better the longer it went. I'll stick with puzzle pirates cause its unique then its back to tab target fantasy mmorpg number 446645 im sure. 30 minutes into a game you've barely gotten into it. I just fought vampires with another crew tonight. Id like the guild to also get ranked on it. Iris online and icarus both had guild rankings on their website we should try and get on those how cool would that be

I entered the current date as the birth date when creating the character and now I can't play because I'm not old enough. Am I fucked?

this is a lot harder than i expected

>>2474140
You missed Wakfu!

>>2474368
Exactly, we're not gonna be playing WoW classic or OSRS any time soon

>>2474848
You can join mid-voyage at least, but yeah there's still sailing with other players in the mean time, just tell anons what ship you're on.

And you just join a ship that's doing the end game content, people are nice enough to let you join I did some treasure expeditions earlier.

>>2474917
The first puzzle of the game

>>2474368
A lot of them are good games that still died for some reason or another unrelated to their quality.

>>2474166
>Besides showing up the Saturday pictures and that's a maybe.
Thats what some people are looking for hence why the games with the best character creators win. And the weeb games where they can make anime girls.

>>2475399
>weeb games where they can make anime girls
nothing wrong with that as long as you're aren't trying to ERP with everyone like that one time

>>2475061
late stage patching is one of the most frustrating things to play. I hope there are items to slow down the clock. I was getting masterful patch when it was early stage but later stages when it introduces bells and stop blocks and yarns that go in 3-4 different directions it becomes such a pain and the clock is only like 30 seconds for you to figure it all out

>>2474166
Games like this tend to be popular with non mmodventure regulars and more popular with those in the /v/ thread because its nostalgia for them. Same happened with Toontown.

/tmute to turn off trade chat spam

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game for fucking ants

>>2477007
Unfortunately this game feels like actual cock and ball torture for anyone who's never play this before trying to read or navigate this game

why was a minigame-game chosen as a two week mmo?

>>2477007
there is an option to scale the UI right there
better than eldevin that didn't even have that

>>2477120
it makes the ui too big, makes most windows barely usable

idk if i have the patience for this game. the puzzles are starting to make me really fucking mad. fucking bullshit ass swords cutting through my tetris even when im playing perfect. and you need a thesis on how to sail because how the fuck do you build combos on that when the blocks are affected by gravity. I cant do it anymore im done after 1 day

>>2477305
Brainlet

>>2477305
>idk if i have the patience for this game. the puzzles are starting to make me really fucking mad. fucking bullshit ass swords cutting through my tetris even when im playing perfect.

It's the teaming system, if you notice during sword fighting, each person has dots next to their name, the dots signify who's targeting you when you hover over them. You have to do the same by clicking an enemy portrait. The way to win portraits is to gang up on them so they have multiple dots, as that introduces things such as the swords cutting through. The way to stop the swords is eliminate the one doing it to you.

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>>2477305
The swords are opponents attacking you. You're doing the same to them. When you clear a big block, you send a sword to the person you're targetting.

Gravity affecting sailing is how you make the combos in that. When you place the next double blue above those top two blues, they'll clear and drop the gold into the target, which gives you a double. You want to get all of your stuff to cascade into clearing other things.

>>2477340
thus why i go by every iteration of tard
>>2477349
the thing about sailing is it seems it wants you to cascade blocks into other blocks so you get the double bonus to raise your sails. I do get that once you connect the 4 blues the yellows will be complete. if you get lucky and get all the colors you need right away your sails seemingly stay low even then because you didnt get any doubles. if you need a yellow/blue yellow/blue sometimes you get a white/blue i just cant process what to do in that instance because one part has what i need but the part is on top and the incorrect is on bottom

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Holla holla get dolla

>>2477406
Same, its why every MMO with a class system I go for the "rush in, hit things" class

>>2477096
Because other than that there was very VERY light shilling for priston tale.

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>>2477417
I liked it better when I thought it was called Prison Tale

Puzzlepirates should be a thing we play during a minigame day...

>>2477624
Agreed. This seems far more suited to a thing we go back to once in a while, for a single voyage, than a full 2 week thing.

Honestly this game is pretty comfy. I can see myself relaxing on this every night for half an hour to an hour. Just sailing with bros. The thing is I dunno if it suits the project and will last 2 weeks. Seems more like a dip in and out and enjoying the comfiness sort of thing.

>>2477717
Yeah, I don't think it's just a one time minigame night thing as some people are saying but it's also not a 12 hour a day for 2 weeks game. It's in a weird middle ground where you'd want to get a group together to do one big voyage each day and then chill with some poker or play another game.

>>2477742
I like the idea of puzzle pirates as a reoccuring minigame. Not like the minigame choices are that meaningful anyway people usually leave after a hour or so. At least here we can do a voyage everytime. As a main game it's a nah from me

>>2477742
Yeah I've found myself wanting to do one big voyage with you guys, then a public voyage with a bunch of others, then I'm done for the day.

>>2477416
same anon. any class that requires me to use my brain is out of question. why you will see me role the warrior or knight in every mmo we play
>>2477624
didnt agree at first now I do though the game is nice it doesnt seem to have a lot to do for 2 weeks. no level up progression, no gear progression (only seems to affect looks). maybe ill hop on and voyage once a day like the other anon said

honestly playing this though really makes me want to play pirates of the caribbean online. too bad the only maximum ship on there is 6. they have a pretty active pserver community though

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>>2478037
there are levels thoughever

>>2478037
A proper piratey MMO would be nice

>>2478063
Do they do anything?

My summary so far, to elaborate on the stuff said in the /v/ thread:
>It seems more like a social hangout game than an actual MMO
>Not that its a bad thing, its good at what it does in that I socialized a lot but the gameplay aspect seems a little lacking
>Its at its most fun when all of us are online, on a voyage and sailin the high scene, and beating other ships
>Its fun but not as fun when I'm on random voyages jobbing for other ships, they do have more access to the deeper content like the expeditions and lairs and stuff. Which we're still grinding towards. So doing those was fun.
>Its at its least fun when I'm doing shit alone, just repetitive navy missions or like lurking around wondering what to do.

>>2478154
Also other things:
>Community seems very nice, they are chatty and even when on islands, you'll stumble upon people playing poker or doing sword fight tournaments in the pub, and they'll include you.
>The puzzle stuff all seems secondary really. Like even doing them on voyages yes it helps your ship and makes the bars go up but it doesnt even seem too needed, once the speed bar is full you can chill
>Stuff like carpentry/patching seems only important post-combat
>I think theres needs to be more emphasis on why I'm doing these puzzles and whats important about them, how am I progressing etc? Is there even progression
>I think thats why Brawling and Sword fighting seem so important, because you beat other ships with it and get rewards.

>>2478099
you start at higher difficulty levels instead of having to work your way up to them I believe

>>2478067
I am almost certain we played a game just like this way back in the day with miniature pirate ships and the like.

am i late to join? i just got my chores done.

>>2478333
Maybe Uncharted Waters Online? That sounds piratey.

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There is no fucking way. Also, is equipment cosmetic only? or does it gives you stats that matters?

>>2478067
pirates of the caribbean online would be really fun to play again and the maximum number of a crew is 12 not 6, but what we could do is run multiple ships on the same sea together and just blow everyone away. ships were costly when POTC was online though so idk if its changed with the pserver

>>2478376
There was that but there was another Koreaslop MMO where you did grinding on land to increase your land level and then did grinding on the water in a miniature ship to increase your sailing level.

Now that I describe it, it sounds like uncharted waters , but I assure you it's not. It was one of the last MMOs I ever saw on MMOHut, let me see if I can find screenshots of it.

>>2478449
Only swords matter everything else is cosmetic.

>>2478500
Again? Damn was it done before? You guys sure do like your pirates.

>>2478517
Oh I think I know exactly what you're talking about because I remember that Worst MMO Ever Youtube series doing a video on it.

>>2478531
no just meaning I played it when it was live and would like to again. its still on the future mmodventure list

>>2478517
Tales of Pirates

>>2478536
Ohh I see. Yeah I'd like to play it. May as well cover all the pirate MMOs.

>>2466551
I hope to join in for one. I just have a feeling it will be one ive actually played, though probably not in years.

Also, how are these threads so fast? usually things i take interest in especially on smaller boards are near dead at times. I thought MMOs were dead too or people basically just gravitate to WoW and other threads and don't have time for shit like this
I guess thats what you call a community.

>>2478607
Thats the case for a lot of them for some of us anyways.

>>2478617
they're slow as shit man, they get a small burst of actibity when a new game starts but otherwise its pretty quiet
mmos outside of the few big ones are kinda dead but there's a ton of people who crave for games that aren't those since they're stale as fuck at this point

>>2478542
That's the one
Add it to the pile

listening to solomun set and puzzle pirating we chilling boys

>>2478720
Comfy game for sure. Already ordered myself a new hat with the pieces of eight.

>>2478738
Don't forget you need to pay the dubloon delivery fee if you didn't factor that in already. You can also buy clothes off of racks in the shops that is already premade but you won't get to pick the colour and it may be pre-worn.

>>2478697
We played it already, it was a terrible disaster

>>2454013
The first round of the anniversary poll has ended. The following 30 games will go ahead into the next rounds.
>Results link
https://strawpoll.com/kogjR8jq2g6/results

Uncharted Waters Online
Dragon's Dogma Online
Dragon Nest
Warhammer Online
Star Wars Galaxies
Trickster Online
Phantasy Star Online
Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine
Islet Online
Dungeons & Dragons Online
RaiderZ
Dark Ages
RIFT
Toram Online
Wakfu
Flyff
Age of Conan: Unchained
Requiem: Desiderium Mortis
Dream of Mirror Online
Neocron 2
Allods Online
Vindictus
Universal Century Gundam Online
Monster Hunter Frontier
Ferentus
Dragonica
Dragon Ball Online
Spiral Knights
Toontown
Rising Force Online

>>2479066
>Star Wars Galaxies
Return of the Bog

>>2479030
I think they were adding it to the slop pile anyways

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If you don't have this achievement don't even try to fuck with me because you are small fry

haven't played this in two years. i'm... i'm gonna puzzleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

joining the super huge boats with 10000 bots and 50 afks sucks dick, get like half as much money as on a small boat

>>2479702
Yeah you need to hit the sweet spot of the boat is big enough to hit the higher level brigands but active enough that the distribution is fair. Yesterday I got a captain who was very generous and I was hitting 600 pieces per raid. Then he'd actually do the expedition maps he was getting.

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>>2479083
It's HER turn!

hopefully tomorrow I'll finally have enough to have my shitty sloop finally delivered
fucking bizarre for the delivery fee to cost several times as much as the ship itself

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>>2466551
/v/ Puzzle Pirates thread.
>>>/v/739125801
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>>2480222
rigger

>>2480247
Its how they get people to keep grinding the gameplay loop

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The dubloon grind is not as bad as I expected

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just found this thread through your crew description and recognised it as a general, don't browse this board but i play ypp actively thought i'd drop in. would be funny if you guys caded an island or ran a sea monster hunt

>>2481757
I think a sea monster hunt is not out of the cards, but a barricade is, people won't be around long enough to even be able to get ships to contribute.

Gonna play this gay ass old crusty pirate gayme right now

My first time navigating ended up with 2 wins and 3 losses and the boat rapidly sinking as we just made it to our destination.
Nailed it.

>>2481757
>>2481799
You gotta get the badges for it, but the grind for them doesnt seem too hard. One or two voyages and some trinket sales.

>>2481853
That victory at the end, despite the ship falling apart while half-sunk, was very satisfying.

>>2481884
Sword fighting was the two wins and brawling were the three losses too so I definitely think we're better at sword fighting. Next time I'm gonna make it pursue Brigands only.

We're on the medium boat right now.

Thankfully getting dubloons is really easy and not too grindy in this game. So I'm buying a ton of badges, will buy the tradeable ones.

I think sea monster hunting will be possible for sure.

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>>2481799
>>2481949
atlantis is kind of hard right now and you need to know how to battle nav it properly - it's also gatekept by the ""top"" flags of the ocean (because it produces so much money) so good chance if you attempt atlantis they'll try to fuck you over

haunted seas is easier but you need a war brig at least, might need to rely on randoms

cursed isles you should probably run it with a sloop, need to be good @ ship puzzles though and have a good battle navigator - also you should be at least decent at foraging if you want good loot.

for those who don't know also, you /can/ sink in sea monster hunts, and your ship goes into a bottle and you need to pay pretty much full price to repair it

>>2481893
you can hold the button to create a "charged" version of the colour which will not pop the colour on 3+ - to create combos like swordfighting you need to stack them and pop multiple at once to send punches to the opponent

also i'd suggest you guys do /global-on and /trade-on to enable global and trade chats if you haven't already - might be helpful to buy cheap second hand ships, clothing, maps or whatever else you guys are looking for

>average voyage
>get a named NPC
>bnav sucks nut and they end up half way across the map and ragequit
god damn, wasted like 45 mintues so far out of 5 hours playing, this is awful.
I can even forgive you retards cause you're new but god damn trying to get some cash and these people are ASS.

Is there advice for how to do the puzzles?
It feels like the different games have different methods of success. I never seem to get above fine at anything but bilging, no matter how well I do.

>>2482305
The metric is weighted to the entire ocean. What is a "Fine" now could easily have been "Excellent" when the game was newer.
You're probably doing a decent job but the game is old and people have become very good at the puzzles.
Also there's been many bots over the years that have skewed everything further.

>>2482336
I thought the weighting was only for the RANKS on the skills, not the performance itself?
If it is, that makes more sense I guess. Still feels like shit.

>>2482342
The performance has been affected for sure.
Just focusing on 3x3 breaks in bilging used to get me Excellent/Incredible consistently but now it struggles just to get the indicator to yellow.
But if I do a single decent sea-donkey its shining for 5 minutes straight.
So it's possible they changed how scoring works for bilging.
But my opinion is that it's generally much harder to hit Excellent (for any puzzle) than it used to be.
The color indicator is accurate to what performance you'll get.

As for advice, you're probably better off trying to master a single puzzle. Videos go a long way.

>>2482358
is the meta still to get to sparkle/shine and then afk till it drops?

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*notices bilge* uwu what's this

>>2482377
Probably

>>2482358
Doing 3x3 still can get you excel incredible but the rule of thumb is if it takes more than 3 moves to get a 3x3, 4 moves for bingo 5 for donkey, 6 for I forget the final reward after donkey

>>2482505
It's likely that I'm just a lot more shit now than I think :^)

>>2482509
My bad in my wording. 3 moves or less for a 3x3 4-5 for a bingo, 5-6 for a donkey. Strive for the least amount of moves possible working from the bottom of the board up.

I'm starting to like this more, its quite addictive.

>>2482525
Why bottom up? Don't you have a higher chance to see a combo if you go from the top down? e.g. if you clear a 3-long horizontal line in the bottom row, you move 3 blocks to new positions (the 3 new blocks coming in to replace the ones you cleared). If you cleared at same line in the row second from the bottom, you'd move 6 blocks to new positions (the three new ones and the three that need to move up to fill the gap you left). More blocks in new positions = more chances for combos, right?

Feels like Sailing/Rigging are the only ship puzzles it matters to tryhard at, bilge and damage seems to always be at 0 as long as the station is manned at all even if the guy there is getting "booched".

>>2482631
Pretty much.
You gotta do Nav/Sail/Rigging to get full speed, once you're at full speed you can chill. Patch, Carp and Bilge don't matter if its empty. Only if you wanna level them.
When you're in battle all of them matter as they contribute to how much the ship can move in battle.
Post battle, you gotta patch/carp until the red bar goes down, to reduce damage, and bilge until the blue bar goes down to prevent sinkage. Then once it's down it's all good.

>>2482574
It's easier to set yourself up for donkey and vegas higher up

>>2482651
>not tryharding so hard you mald even when the bar is full and you arent very good
It's like you dont even care

>>2482651
Carpentry and Patching shine during pvp and BAKA/Cursed Isle runs other than that they can definitely be slacked off on.

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>>2466551
Puzzle Pirates /vm/ thread.
>>2482799
>>2482799
>>2482799
>>2482799

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The anniversary game revisit elimination poll is up. We'll play two previously played titles, for one week each.

Vote closing Sunday, 24th of May, 16:00 EST.

These are your 30 candidates:

Uncharted Waters Online
>Dragon's Dogma Online
Dragon Nest
>Warhammer Online
Star Wars Galaxies
>Trickster Online
Phantasy Star Online
>Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine
Islet Online
>Dungeons & Dragons Online
RaiderZ
>Dark Ages
RIFT
>Toram Online
Wakfu
>Flyff
Age of Conan: Unchained
>Requiem: Desiderium Mortis
Dream of Mirror Online
>Neocron 2
Allods Online
>Vindictus
Universal Century Gundam Online
>Monster Hunter Frontier
Ferentus
>Dragonica
Dragon Ball Online
>Spiral Knights
Toontown
>Rising Force Online

results link:
https://www.rcv123.org/results/f6Hqrpc25jpfp9v3FJx7mqhm

>>2485852
Pirates after Pirates may be a bit overkill

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STOP THE COUNT

>>2485852
Man I'm overwhelmed by choice, too many good picks

>>2485852
do i have to be verified in a discord or some shit to vote

>>2486001
Same

>>2485852
Interested in:
>Dragon's Dogma Online
>Warhammer Online
>SWG (I wasn't here for it so I'd wanna play it wit hyou guys)
>D&D Online again, that thread is STILL going
>Dark Ages specifically because since it was last played, the game blew up due to a viral video about someone visiting it
>Wakfu but is that too soon?
>Flyff
>Age of Conan
>Universal Century Gundan Online
>Dragonball Online
>Spiral Knight has a new update that just come out

Basically almost all of them kek. Maybe even Troontown again

I posted a review on Hellgate: London on the altervista site, it doesn't show up in the review section but if I try to post it again I get a duplicate post error.

>>2486495
fixed

>[Sad News] Closers is shutting down it's global server.
Press S.

>>2487442
No idea what that game is, but as someone working on Dragon's Dogma Online's server project, record as much gameplay footage and capture as much network traffic as you conceivably can. Back up client files and archive wikis. Even a little bit of this stuff goes a long way and anyone wanting to do a private server will tear their hair out over the shit they forgot to archive.

>>2486082
>Dragon's Dogma Online
I forget when you guys did DDON, but know that our development has been a little slow since last October or so. Both me and the other main dev have had a combination of life stuff and burnout, so we're stalled at Episode 3.1 (live service ended at 3.4). I dunno if you guys played enough to get to that point, though.

>>2487639
Most of us didn't even hit episode 2, maybe one or two even got 70+.

>>2487442
RIP.

>>2487639
Closers already has fully functional private servers, had them before the global version even launched.

>>2488035
>>2487442
>>2487639
Elsword CHAD here
return to Elsword

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>>2488069
Elsword SUCKS

>>2485852
Warhammer, D&D and Phantasy Star still on the preliminary we are so fucking back. Will be very happy with any of these 3

>>2488377
Same plus SWG and Wakfu, but Wakfu wasn't too long ago so maybe its too soon.

I swear to god, if we play Phantasy Star one more time

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>>2486057
To get a voting token you need to:
>screenshot your character and character information window (from a game you previously played with /mmod/), like picrel
>attach this screenshot to an email addressed to mmodventure@proton.me
You'll get your private voting link in the mail every time there's a new poll

>>2485852
RaiderZ bros not like this...

>>2488377
I voted for warhammer because I missed out on it.

alle status?

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>>2485852
man Ferentus being almost rock bottom is surprising. that was one of the shining hidden gems of the mmodventure for me...

>>2489245
I just voted it as my #3 or so. Definitely was a stand out experience, yeah. Would be nice to see it make it to top 8.

>>2489245
>>2489266
why?
the only things i remember were the towns being incredibly large and empty
generic quests
generic combat
having to find the specific kind of spider instead of these 5 other kinds of spiders

>>2489391
to me it was a proof of concept that returning to simple mechanics =! bad. the game had quests, yes, but they didn't hold your hand and you had to explore the world to get that bear ass. healing items were sparse so you had to take things slow and sit to heal. monsters were tough and aggro high so party play was pretty much a requirement. deathballing the map as a full party was kino. couple that with an effortful world and consistent art direction, decent music and a completely different worldmap and you have a surprisingly memorable experience.

>>2489391
Granted the way we were received by the server owners/mods was extremely memorable, but a lot of it was venturing into this unknown title that had practically no information about it on the internet. It could've been absolute dogshit but it surprisingly got A LOT of things right, even if it was somewhat generic..
- The pacing was perfect in my opinion, not too many sidequests flooding your log, many that could be done in the same cluster area.
- Combat/Latency felt decently responsive and involved, decent balance where it never felt like a slog nor a cakewalk.
- The setting and monster design was super cozy too, felt like a proper medieval fantasy world.
- Class fantasy was on point, had enough agency with putting stats/skills on your character even if the builds were pretty straight-forwards.
- Allowed for goating, and had the perfect amount of kino jank for us to break the game out of bounds.
- Intuitive UI / Menuing with stylish design to it. A lot of it reminded me of the MMO vidya you see represented in anime, but I never played a game prior to this one that looked or felt that way.
Pretty old title too, likely not very high budget either, so I at least was very appreciative of how cohesive it all felt.
That said, I don't know how good of a revisit it'd be since we've already sort of seen it all. It'd definitely be a great one for newer people to experience for a first time, but I imagine some of us would be spoiling it by spoonfeeding its quirks to them.

>>2489245
>>2489417
looks and sounds kino, what year is it originally from

>>2489417
Questing being lethal goes a long way to making a boring grind more interesting. In modern games you could afk for 30 minutes while a monster hits you and still come back and kill it.

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>>2489784
it looks like the game launched around 2004 in Asia as Hercott, finally coming to US/EU in 2005 as Ferentus. it was advertised as some lineage clone with large scale PvP but the MMOd never got to that understandably. https://wiki.fhxrestoration.com/Servers_and_players
>>2489626
I wouldn't mind replaying the questline simply for how enjoyable I found it. other than a bit of goating, this was one of the titles enigmatic enough that a lot of it still remains unsolved, especially the mid-lategame and pvp aspects.
>>2489806
yeah it definitely adds some depth with positioning and utilizing ranged/tankier classes for pulls. having a healer is extremely useful here. just basic nice things like giving classes proper roles.

anyone have some Ferentus screenshots of when the admin made us Xbox hueg?

What was Star Wars like? All I know about is ominous whisperings of "the bog".

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>>2490011
I only got this from the mmodventure site

>>2490189
I'm retarded and didn't even think about checking that. arigato, anon

>>2490189
>Geschoss
>Lacan
Hope they're doing well, it's been a bit.

>>2490299
a lot of niggas no longer playing i miss

how was warhammer online last time you anons played it? are people going to play their old characters or start over

scenarios were fun (instanced pvp)
end game mass pvp was kinda a shitshow
using old characters is gay

>>2490468
you caused their departure

Islet Islet Islet!

>>2490824
how'd you know i was vidoegaem?

why do people want islet again?
you didn't even play the game
you just want to sit in the tv room and erp again

>>2490825
Raiderz should also win because that would be so awesome
Furthermore, its cool
In closing that would be pretty swell
My final thoughts are that a Raiderz win would be neat

>>2490482
really boring

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>>2490998
RaiderZ might be kind of a hard sell for the old guard, since progression in that one is incredibly linear. Once you've been through the leveling climb once, you've seen most of what there is to see.
That said, unlike other linear themeparks we've played, RaiderZ is heavily focused on party-play, which tends to be more enjoyable compared to just soloing together for two weeks. Plus we only ever gave RaiderZ Global a shot, and there IS that other server - Raiderz Revolution - featuring a faster leveling curve and content which otherwise went unfinished on the original client.
Could be cool to give that second server a look, although since it wouldn't be a truly "Classic" experience, newcomers might not get the same sort of vibe with it that we did back in the day. Christ alive, has it seriously been nearly two full years since RaiderZ saved us from RF-Banana Hell? Insane.

>>2490182
SWG is a sandbox, they just drop you in and tell you to fuck off.
There's no character levels, you just get a limited amount of skill points you can spend in different skill trees that progress independently, so to unlock more shooting skills you need to shoot things etc.
The most fun part was running around in a party at the start doing low reward missions and dying to shitty mobs. Then we discovered that locals give out free giga buffs in cantinas that let you (almost) solo the hardest missions.
If you want to become a jedi or a sith there's a questline to follow that takes 6+ days because some of the Dathomir quests rotate in 3 day intervals and you need to do 4 of them. Only 2 of us became jedi in two weeks. When NPCs or player chars see you using force powers or lightsabers in the open you gain notoriety (or infamy, or something like), a hidden stat. When you get a certain amount you get a bounty placed on you and bounty hunters can kill you to claim it. And locals genuinely go for that, we had a jedi duel during the final pics and a local drove all the way to Weeabog just to blast Hillary.
I personally enjoyed SWG a lot, it's something different in a sea of WoWslop

>>2491313
Sounds really fun but it may be the kind of fun that's hard to reproduce on revisit like in Emil Chronicle on the last anniversary.

>>2490998
I haven't played raiderz and I always hear it's good so I want it too

>no one voted Ace Online
Ugh...

>>2490482
We couldn't even muster up 6 people at the very end for a dungeon.

>>2491091
>the old guard
Is this what you're calling the clique? LOL

>>2491313
It depends on the version of SWG though. Theres Pre-CU SWG where you couldn't be a Jedi at all. Post-CU SWG which is what you describe, and NGE SWG where you could just seelct it.

Thats why SWG is such a good choice for a replay IMO. Because we don't even have to go back to the server we chose, we could choose another server that hosts a different version of the game and have a different experience. As NGE is very different from vanilla. NGE was their attempt to WoWify SWG.

>>2491623
I guess its not an Ace.

>>2491718
This makes me wonder, whats been the most popular game chosen and the least popular? Not in terms of reception but the amount of people you guys had playing by the end.

>>2491754
I would bet on Dragon Nest.

>>2491754
>least
Ace for sure

>>2491091
I think it will struggle to get votes from the new guard if anything since not that many have played it, but its the closest thing to Tera we are probably going to play again.
I'm holding off on playing revolution until I see the results

I'm gonna assume the reason Warhammer is in the lead is because a lot of people who are voting for it were people who weren't around when we played it. Seeing as how it wasn't well received at all it confuses me as to why people would wanna play it again.

>>2491718
did everyone roll on the same faction? that should be a set rule if warhammer wins

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>>2491868
The mythos surrounding some titles can really skew perceptions of their actual quality.
The only time Warhammer Online ever comes up in conversation on other boards is through reminiscence of narrowly-won PvP matches and large-scale battles, largely during its first year on the market when it was still a fresh and direct competitor to Wrath-era WoW. Solely the rosy highlights, despite the underlying game being rather flawed. Fun, sure, but clearly flawed.
A similar sort of MMO mythologizing tends to surround Wildstar as well, despite it too having a fairly rocky reception all throughout its short-lived run.

So what do I vote for? I wasn't there for these games.

>>2491911
>A similar sort of MMO mythologizing tends to surround Wildstar as well
Whenever Wildstar is mentioned, I immediately remember 1) The reddit-tier humor backed by Nerd Corps-esque animation, and 2) That image with the ludicrously long attunement quest

>>2491954
Vote for what someone shills to you, like SWG. We must have another bog.

>>2491911
>>2491962
A lot of the Wildstar mythology comes from it being an NCSoft game and being part of the "viciously killed by NCSoft" club. A lot of those games are martyred and have a reputation in the MMO community as hidden gems that were unfairly culled, such as City of Heroes. So Wildstar's in that camp and its reputation as an under rated MMO grew. I think Tabula Rasa was the start of it all in terms of "NCSoft kills hidden gems"

>>2491954
Vote Dragon's Dogma, great action MMO.

>>2491754
There were some that no one was playing by the end

>>2491754
>Not in terms of reception but the amount of people you guys had playing by the end.
curious as well, any mmodadventure scholars?

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>>2492096
>I think Tabula Rasa was the start of it all in terms of "NCSoft kills hidden gems"
Tabula Rasa, like The Matrix Online, is one of those games I only known of through after-the-fact wiki articles that give you the impression of being these mindblowing epic games you missed... Then you see actual gameplay and that picture you made through tooltips and guides alone slowly crumbles.

>>2492522
As anon said earlier, it's gotta be ACE. MU was also super low player count, but ACE was rock bottom. I think Tale of Pirates had a low turnup too? It had some installation issues iirc. I might forgetting some others.

>>2492096
>>2492549
NCSoft being this evil company that kills amazing kino MMOs that would have changed the industry is pretty much a fabrication created by the users of those dead MMOs who are salty.

Yes NCSoft is very corporate and is very focused on numbers, graphs, line goes up etc. But they don't just kill games for shits and giggles. If a game was killed its because it wasn't making any money.

Tabula Rasa was killed because everyone overhyped it because it was a Lord British MMO, and it was never ever gonna live up to the hype, so it hemmoraged subscribers due to being a "disappointment" and they only killed it because it stopped making a profit. People always say they never gave Tabula Rasa a chance and killed it quick, but thats because it was a massive money drain and was spiralling further down. It stopped making a profit THAT quickly.

City of Heroes was a success for years but by the time NCSoft closed it, it was an old MMO from a bygone age. It was a different era of MMOs in the early 2010s and CoH was showing its datedness. NCSoft have even defended themselves from this one by saying they gave CoH a lot of chances once it stopped making a profit. They tried to launch a Korean version, but Korea didn't take it, then they made CoH free to play and that caused it to start to breaking even and making minor profits, but nothing substancial. So they decided to have the team start making CoH 2 so there's a more modern MMO, but the cost for it was insane. So they shelved CoH.

Wildstar never caught on. It simply didn't have the playerbase.

So yeah, I think the narrative of NCSoft being this MMO butcher is largely untrue. Also Tabula Rasa died during a time when the MMO space was massively over saturated, felt like every licensed property had an MMO and people were sick of them. They were dying left right and center, except the ones that wised up and went free to play and ditched the subscriber model that was common at the time.

>>2492742
>Tabula Rasa died during a time when the MMO space was massively over saturated
Yeah the mid to late 2000s were a brutal time for MMOs. Western MMOs were coming out every four months, and competing for attention with eastern MMOs, some of which had far more mature patch/content pipelines than the fledgling western ones. NCSoft alone published Lineage 2, COH, Guild Wars, Auto Assault (lol), Dungeon Runners (lmao), Tabula Rasa, and Aion, all within six years. Nexon published MapleStory, Mabinogi, DFO, Elsword, and Vindictus in roughly the same period.

Although I suppose in the context of the failures like Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault, the hit rate is actually pretty good. Lasting longer than a year or two in such a crowded market was a major success.

>>2492637
which titles had the most at the end?

>>2491954
Dragons dogma or Champions online, by merit of me still playing those

>>2492742
>felt like every licensed property had an MMO and people were sick of them
The fact that even fucking Family Guy had a mmo during that period will never stop being surreal.

>>2492794
It felt like every franchise had a [insert thing here] online. It was nuts.

>>2492742
>but the cost for it was insane. So they shelved CoH.

wild to imagine this was the play during the massive capeshit boom that was happening with media at the time especially.

>>2493072
Well thats the funny thing. They shut it in 2012, right before it all exploded. Most likely their player base would have increased as DCUO and CO saw increases.

>>2491954
Raiderz
Monster hunter inspired action mmo by the creators of gunz the duel
https://youtu.be/9045H303lT8
>>2493031
Ed edd n eddy online was great

>>2493147
Not as good as KOTH online desu senpai

>>2490299
Got real busy with life, new job, moved to a different state. Gonna try and drop in for the anniversary, hope raiderz gets a spot.

>>2492968
Dragon Nest > ECO > PSO > Trickster

>>2492742
>If a game was killed its because it wasn't making any money.
i'm gonna be honest with you, and i'm gonna talk more generally because there's an occasional "BUT EVERY MMO IS SHIT" post whenever someone calls out a living game for being a money sink:

please stop using a failed monetization as a demerit for a shut-down MMO. the active games that have solid monetization end up being FAR fucking worse in my eyes.

we just voted in a game where literally everything you see and acquire will crumble to dust in 30 days or less.

i didn't mention it during the Haven and Hearth discussion, but that game has a monthly subscription to your inventory being the right size to do anything useful

if you don't have the energy to talk about the GAMEPLAY of a dead GAME, at least reserve your autism about a game's business sense for the games that are still actively trying to fuck you. I don't wanna hear about how wildstar could've stayed alive if only it had a durability mechanic for its horse armor. I could just play Puzzle Pirates.

>>2490482
It was fun, there are faction battles that run 24/7 you can join. A level 1-15 version and a 16+ one. Since we only have a week I would suggest people just stay under 16 or keep remaking to stay in the low level group. You get placed in the general pop battles at 16 with the veterans and your stats scale to them to make it fair but that depends on how BiS your gear is for your current level. Theres a lot of players who just stay in that low group cause it's easier to have fun. I'll do that myself if it wins.

>>2492522
>>2492637
Yeah I think ACE had 5? people show up for Final day Saturday pics? Even for other stinkers we had 8-12.

>>2492742
NCSoft are the only ones still making MMOs lmao, love or hate them at least they're still in it unlike everyone else.

>>2493338
It's ace for sure. The rigging was undeniable at that point and ace won due to a last minute coin-flip, half the people couldn't run it, and the game itself was incredibly repetitive.

>>2493330
is max level not fun? I thought we could get to do some dungeons and raids too but thats if people stick with the game, also is it only going to last a week and not the usual 2 weeks? we also should probably all go onto the same faction (maybe order) to balance it out and make sure players arent playing on their own

>>2493451
The anniversary games just last one week each. When there are factions we always vote before we start on which side we play. We chose Chaos last time because this is 4chan, why would we pick Order? I enjoyed it when I played it the first time. The scenarios, dungeons and raids were fun when you weren't sieging a front door for an hour. Since I already played it once I figured I would just stick to the low level raids to not get so invested, but yeah max level stuff is fun and the dungeons are nice but nobody got close to max after 2 weeks and its more gear dependent the farther you get which there won't be a whole lot of time to grind for. ECO revisit did have less activity than the first time cause the progression is a bit slow in that game but PSU revisit was pretty good, its an easy game to jump into and quick to advance.

>>2493256
why lie?

>>2493525
because chaos is the most popular faction according to their website and in desperate need of order. id prefer chaos myself but its more of a faction balance thing. didnt know the anniversary week was only 1 week though. would there be a better game for us to vote for to see more of in just a weeks time?

>>2493590
hi

>>2493613
I would just say vote for what you want. I voted for raiderz and dragon dogma. Missed RaiderZ but was told it was the group favorite. Played DDO and liked it quite a bit, in fact I played it for a while after just to progress. Both of these games prioritize party play over solo which I would say WAR does as well. Dragons nest is a solid choice too.

>>2493613
I think picking Order this time would be fun, if it wins

Would you have time to do anything in Uncharted Waters in one week? I haven't played it but people said it was very slow. I've always wanted to try it though.

Shouldn't we space our revisits a bit? Like play one week of a revisited game, then two weeks of a new MMO and then one week of the second revisit or something like that.
Does it really make sense to play them back to back?
Why even play two games? Or why revisit once a year? We can do it every 6 months for one week if we want.
I remember getting kinda burnt out by PSU last year.

>>2494577
Revisits are put into two-week blocks so the game voting cycle can continue uninterrupted. I guess the other way to do it could be to have a full two weeks dedicated for one game revisit and maybe another later in the year. Might be too many revisits, I don't know.

>>2494686
I guess it's not a big deal, just feels suboptimal to me.
Two weeks for one game revisit sounds really bad though.

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>>2494577
Can't have a BI-Anniversary anon, we don't take kindly to them queerosexuals.

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>>2485852
>No votes for Flyff
Kind of understandable, as the server we previously played on (and many which were around at the time) went under a good while ago. Plus the game became a somewhat divisive pick, even if it worked well as a semi-mindless grinder (provided you're playing with considerably high rates).

>No votes for Ferentus
Also understandable, as Ferentus absolutely thrived on its sheer obscurity, and that bell can really only be rung once. Plus it looks very unassuming to anyone who hadn't already played it, even if it remains one of the most unexpectedly surreal and memorable titles we've played thus far.

>No votes for Dragon Nest
Genuinely surprised, considering DN was one of the most popular titles sampled throughout this project. You'd think it would've been an easy first or second-ballot pick, similar to ECO during the first anniversary.

>No votes for TRICKSTER
This one hurts.