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NOTHING!!!
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no seriously, is this games meta beyond repair? We were off to a great start but we somehow reverted back despite manectric being a pretty good card. Altaria and Hydriegon really are these unbeatable monsters that will keep coming back huh
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>>59135109
we went back because in the last 4 sets they haven't actually printed anything that can realistically match the retarded speed of altaria or hydreigon and in fact have released several support cards that have had nothing but a rich get richer effect
like what the fuck do you do when the other guy drops both hydreigons on the board turn 3? you fucking lose
until that changes the meta won't
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>>59135143
You would be able to stall too easily if they could change your next energy and leave you helpless.
It would probably need some kind of stipulation to use, anyway. They really don't want people running multicolor decks, and I don't want to see people splashing random Oricorio onto decks and letting them hit stuff.
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Mega Altaria and Hydriegon represent broken archetypes that aren’t easily powercrept. One is a 2 energy attacker for 130dmg loaded with broken support basics, and the other is effectively a 1 energy attacker for 130dmg. Hydriegon basically auto beats any deck that cant one shot it or tank the monster damage.
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>>59135109
the problem is DeNA are clueless fucking retards that think iono and penny needed reprints and metal core barrier and arboliva are so good they should be crown rares
meta changes will be when primal groudon and kyogre drop but I'd bet on them fucking that up too
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>>59135181
they pushed the mega gardevoir button even though hydreigon's presence made it effectively unplayable
they have no idea what they're doing at all, especially from a monetary standpoint
make garde the meta, put it on the crown instead of fucking meloetta, and they could've made 4x the cash from fantastical parade
retards squandering literally everything
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or this cornerstone ogerpon
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>get convinced by anons to stop rerolling and just buyfag Cyrus with points
>get him in the last x10 I had left in the alt I had stopped at
>mfw now I can get two Cyrus
Never listen to reason, gamba is the way.
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>if this pokemon is in the active spot, the opponent cannot generate more than 1 energy attacker turn
Accompany this with a grass type and decent stats bam thats all you need to do. As for altaria i have no idea that pokemon is flawless and broken, very little counters it
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>>59135567
altaria's weakness is, in theory, bench sniping. the nature of the deck forces you to run a high number of basics, the vast majority of which are easy pickings for most snipe cards.
the issue with this is that bench sniping cards suck outside of greninja and the now barely playable decidueye, so altaria can just splash in greninja and beat snipe decks at their own game. it's truly a terribly designed card.
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>>59135710
There's no way they're going to rotate Series B out at least until Series D starts. Rotating out Series A and B at the same time that Series C starts would mean that nothing would be playable except the limited pool of Series C cards. And that's if they do rotation at all. I'm going to be stuck with Series B and its awfully designed Megas and Hydreigon and Lucky Ice Poop for at least a year and a half. The game will be able to survive that, because it's pokémon, but it will be miserable as hell.
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Thoughts on my deck?
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>>59135638
My response to this from last thread.
Realistically, the game can’t be fixed. There’s no mechanic, card, etc. that can solve the underling problems that are baked in. Which are all by design. It’s card collecting sim with a watered down version of the real tcg tucked inside. Devs put infinitely more effort into trying to get players to spend on packs than they do balancing anything at all. The reality is that the battling in the game is only a means for them to incentivize you paying for each new pack. Because, again, it’s by design that every new set has something totally broken that people will chase after that will win them more games. Even if something gets made in a set that counters something broken in the meta there will be something new that will dominate and the complaints will shift to that. This has been the norm since the very first set.
This has been the game’s cycle and it will continue to be this way until it just peters out and dies completely. Which, desu, feels like it’s already beginning. Thinking things will change after a year and a half into this I think is copium.
Tldr; Game can't be saved. This is just how it is and you can accept it or drop it altogether.
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Ah, if only these were 2 star cards I wanted
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>>59136191
>every new set has something totally broken that people will chase after that will win them more games
Except that isn't the case? It's still Hydregion/Altaria winning everything. Nothing beats 130 damage for 3 cards and no needed ramp, or 130 damage for 2 energy with a mountain of support babies that can switch in and out easily and die just as easily to protect the mega EX.
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>>59136191
>The reality is that the battling in the game is only a means for them to incentivize you paying for each new pack. Because, again, it’s by design that every new set has something totally broken that people will chase after that will win them more games.
the past 4 packs have been nothing but useless dogshit though
>fantastical parade and crimson blaze dead on arrival, ogerpon only seeing use because people are spamming igglybuff
>paldean wonders gave suicune bax + chien pao to flex in, bellibolt + electric generator technically usable
>mega shine has a bellibolt sidegrade and darkrai
and in spite of all of this, you can still just run hydreigon and win
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>>59136257
I really wonder if Hydreigon was an accident. It, Silvally, and Rampardos are the only times a 3d card has really dominated the meta. Even then, Silvally and Rampardos were playing second fiddle to Darktina.
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>>59136218
you're getting lucky largely, I play Altaria and I only lose to Manectric decks when I get bricked. Manectric decks are piss easy to beat since the deck lacks any power whatsoever unless it can get 2 KO's
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>>59136281
>I really wonder if Hydreigon was an accident
It's essentially 130 damage off one energy for a regular Pokemon, I can't give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Maybe if it was like Greninja where it came out months before rare candy.
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>>59136356
I'm just saying, they made a (relatively, compared to 4d ex cards) common card extremely powerful, to the point where it can support itself almost perfectly. It doesn't even care about going first, and even prefers it in most cases. Seems like a complete accident when just a couple months ago we had Solgaleo who got powercrept out of existence right away.
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Hydregion wasn't completely busted until the popscicle showed up. It was good, but the deck being forced to rely on Indeedee healing meant it got bricked a lot of times on startup and made for really easy loss conditions if you could snipe Indeedee.
Now that Hydranigger decks have dropped everything but Absol, and they are trying to drop even M.Absol, the deck just wins easily. hell, I played against an all in hydregion deck once where the opponent was using silkscarf to recover hydregion/Deino and re-evolve the fucker using Zweilous. I would have lost that game if they managed to get the ball rolling and could cycle Deino evo's every turn, but they didn't quite have enough time.
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I don't see how Mega Gengar is so good that they had to have it require four energies for 120 damage.
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>>59137088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MawMX_8UgL0
Multiple examples of the different tiers of effects and sounds having anything from 4 diamonds to immersives.
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>>59137116
Video is from a year ago anyway.
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Which is weird, to me, because I always get the rainbow effect for 1* pulls.
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>>59136914
Thank you my boy, it’s been a long time coming
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I have collected the dawgs.
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my knees... they are bending on their own...
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>no 24 hour wonderpick in 3 days
Go on.... save yourselves... It's OGRE for me
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>ehh might aswell login quick
>don't know what packs to open
>go for Lugia pack for Will
>get my second Lyra and a shiny Nidoran
i just had a feeling, when i least expect it.
well my first 2 star dupe that's pretty cool... but why did it have to be Lyra aaaaaaaaaaaa
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well, at least i got the consolation prize.
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>>59137804
Shut up, I got fucking Hau and Penny. Like, who the hell likes those two... things? I'd gladly take x2 Lyra any time.
>>59138353
They just want you to burn through your hourglasses.
t. has 30 hourglasses left
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God I just want them to release Flygon. He’s the coolest pokemon ever. If they come up with Flygon ex, I will literally spend money to get the full arts. And please let him be good. Please let him be ground type. I need the Hoenn set bad. Hopefully the game is still alive by then.
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Is this the biggest difference in art quality and playability in the game?
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>I've never seen a rare pack in wonderpicks before
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>>59139038
TRIARsisters...? Our response???
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>>59139071
groudon is at the very least a fat basic that can tank a couple hits while you build something in the back. that strategy sucks now, but it CAN do that. gigalith requires massive investment as both a stage 2 and a 4-energy attacker in a type with zero ramp, all for 10 damage over chien-pao who is a basic in a type with tons of ramp. it's unplayable, not even exaggerating when i say that.
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>>59139101
Gigalith is not even nearly unplayable, it one shots a ton of meta cards and gets one shotted by virtually nothing. Right now you could win with high rolling sleep cheese and/or hiding behind bulky normal types and Ilima.
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I will fuckn take it.
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>>59139305
Copycat is fighting fire with fire. It lets you level the playing field against decks designed to pull everything right away. The advantage it can give player 1 can be stupid. You can dump your entire hand and get back to 4 before the opponent can do anything.
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>>59139305
>Go Second
>opponent gets a god hand, dumps all their cards, refills with copycat and plays even more
>now you're left copycatting their shitty 2 or 3 card hand
>Go First, get fucked and end your turn with 5 cards in hand
>opponent gets to reshuffle their opening hand + draw a card
It should be a way to punish players who have a lot of reactive cards in their hand, but since this game has zero interaction it just punishes players who got fucked by RNG. Any other game and Copycat is a decent to moderate card that sees sparse use, but because of how Pocket is built the card is massively overpowered .
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>>59139461
110 is enough to 2shot almost any mega, and after chip nearly every other EX.
Your energy ramp is used to fuel Diantha, a second Mega Gard, or utility pokemon like M.Indeedee. Trying to use Mgard to ramp something else is just asking to get Cyrus'd and KO'd
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So close, I can almost taste it
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>>59139575
It's less the card is poorly designed and more Pocket's environment lets it shine. Low damage and health pools means even getting 60HP off the popsicle is good enough to warrant use. Mainline the card is trash due to HP and damage bloat, but here with even 40HP means life or death it's an allstar
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What can I get from these bitches?
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>>59140281
iono is most valuable here but kinda shafted by the reprint, might still go for another non-meta trainer
lana is tied to a secret emblem but very low demand, probably worth a non-meta RR
rest are trash but team star grunt is new enough to maybe get a RR you like
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>MCharizard x ex for Irida
Yay or nay?
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>still runs potion
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>>59139455
I saw it plenty on the ladder after Crimsom Blaze dropped. Then the reality that its a double stage 2 deck that gets countered by Indeedee (her attack basically invalidates Reuniclus' ability) and Hydreigon.
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>>59139455
because you can run 2 mgardes, and if you can manage to survive with mgarde long enough that a reuniclus play becomes better than just swapping into the second mgarde then you already won the damn game. it's nothing but winmore.
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>>59141232
I got two or more of all the shiny 2-star except for no charizard. A bunch of desirable 1-star shinies like two of each charmander and electrike. Two calem. Even got a god pack that had a crown.
I opened some packs for other shit I wanted as well like triumphant light and got a rainbow glaceon ex and did sea and sky to go for 2-star will which I got two of. Even got a 1-star shiny vaporeon.
The account came with a shiny suicune ex, DX lusamine, rainbow mega venusaur, but they're all in chinese sadly. Still good enough to fill your dex or use for trade with people that don't care.
I have 460k shine dust on the account after doing a couple trades to my main, so def enough to get what I want over.
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>>59141370
Come home, white man.
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>>59141443
Oh, I even got two of each immersive mew which pissed me off but yeah. Quite lucky. Ended up with 2k pack points for the most recent so I might get double shiny charmeleon since I want to use them and it's the most sought after shiny right now, even more than gyarados.
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Now Mega Scizor is the only card I'm missing from this set
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>list a bunch of cards on poketrade and add a diverse wishlist
>literal only hit i get after several hours is a guy trying to trade his rainbow mew for my copycat
so the trading apps are just completely dead now right?
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Looking to finish my diamond dex for Deluxe Pack and need the following foil cards. Willing to trade from any set for these, just lmk what you're looking for:
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>>59139305
Like others said it’s mainly just enables decks that want to dump their whole hand and combo off in 1-2 turns. The consistency of this has warped the meta to favor this kind of uninterative gameplay even more. Which is pretty shit considering the game was already too fast before that. In other decks at best it lets you undo a bad brick opener or acts as a 3rd oak.
Imo this card is just as bad of a shit meta enabler as ice pop and various others that get complaints.
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>>59145377
I can trade a Magnemite if you have any of these foil.
6109640482295591
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>>59146035
thanks m8, I've been making some deals on Reddit today so I actually don't need Magnemite anymore. New list of what I need is in picrel, but if you don't have any of these I'll just add and share one of the ones you're looking for as thanks for trying to help.
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Just give me the trainer card I hate this pack
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Man I fucking hope they let us trade immersives the next time they update trades because I have so many dupes of some of them. Then again knowing these greedy fucks they'd ask something absurd like 100k dust to trade 1
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>>59148630
hoe enn you say?
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>>59150323
steelix
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Uh...
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>finished the drop event with the bare minimum time investment (cleared each fight once)
Feels so fucking good not to have to farm this shit for a few hours because the game refuses to give me a second copy of one of the cards while I rack up a dozen copies of each of the other cards
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>trade offer
>do nothing for two days straight
>repeat
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>>59151231
>still playing this slop game
It’s over bros, I wanted it to be good, but it’s not, it’s over, they held back on gen 3 starters too long, do not play, do not buy, do not redeem.
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I've been looking for my 24 hour wonder pick and it's a one star? I thought they were all two stars?
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>>59152750
People get more gratification from this game getting a full set up than actually winning the match, so much to the point that they're too distracted by their hand to immediately register their checkmate.
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this is not a complicated game, the Cyrus flowchart is literally
>figure out if the number on your card is bigger than the number on their card
>if their card isnt a mega then count to 3
how are you managing to fuck that up
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Niggerfaggot event cpu starts with suicune and get at least 2 heads with misty on turn one THREE times in a row
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>>59153280
>he didn't win with zeraora on turn 3 after bot bricked a slowpoke lead
let me guess, you don't already have 2 copies of the new promos either
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Nice
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Not disappointed
Still had to ruin it
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>>59156362
Cute Tarzan girl that will get more and more aggressive as she has no idea what pent up sexual energy is until finally biological instinct will start filling in the gaps for her and drive her to take you before humping you through both of your clothes
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>>59156686
See the problem is that when the cpu feels like cheating you can't even get venosaur on the field
>turn 1 play slowpoke, use misty for 3+ energy
>turn 2 play whatever you want
>turn 3 evolve into slowbro and oneshot your bulbasaur
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>yesterday get random friend request
>guy is high level and not "private" bullshit so why not?
>wake up today, same guy is offering a FA May
>check wishlist, they want that stupid Rainbow Aerodactil I have since this game started so I offer it.
>trade accepted, I got another waifucard
Today is a good day.
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CAN'T SPANK THE TANK BAYBEE
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>was about to say "that was a waste of a free pack" and close it
>realised there was 1 more card because i can't count past 4 (still 2 better than Gabe newell)
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>>59159674
as shit as most of them have been, utility crowns are better than the old "make the pack cover mon the crown" crowns because all of them sans MAYBE arceus are unusable
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>>59159840
that's just the nature of power creep. mewtwo, GA zard, GA pika, dialga, palkia, solgaleo, etc. were all solid decks at one point or another until power creep claimed them one by one.
that being said, utility crowns don't necessarily fare better in the long run. eevee bag is dead, mantyke is barely clinging to life in meme decks like slowbro, klefki lives solely in a single rogue deck that's one bad meta shift from ceasing to be playable, and lilligant, arboliva, and aegislash were dead on arrival.
it's kind of a crapshoot.
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>>59159928
yeah, there's definitely good ones. besides poke ball, you've got flame patch, metal barrier, nihilego, and of course rare candy that will all likely be around for a very long time. baxcalibur and meloetta are solid as well but are significantly more susceptible to power creep.
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Why is the random battle AI trying to style on me?
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there is literally nothing more frustrating than watching your opponent draw his entire fucking deck while you sit there with a hand full of bricks several games in a row
like jesus fucking christ i have SIX FUCKING DRAW CARDS how can i go five games without seeing even ONE
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>>59160340
I just pulled your Manectric after failing all of my own 24h picks.
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>doing the slowbro expert fight
>decide to use a rental deck since it fulfills the Mega and 12 mon missions
>use Manectric rental (this is the deck the game itself recommends btw)
>deck is such absolute shit it takes 8 tries to get a single win
>it's just full of normal mon that do nothing and have no synergy with the electric mon
>only support is Oak, only items are 1 potion and 2 balls. no equips or fields or search or anything, just that.
What the absolute fuck is this, who designed this deck? It's GA starter deck levels of bad.
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>>59159090
I ran into this deck earlier in random battle and thought I was playing against a child. Imagine my confusion when I popped into the thread and it was being discussed as a legitimate deck. My impression was that running three different three stage evolution lines and needing tons of different energy was crazy, but the deck was not at all constructed the way I thought it was. There is no sligoo or goodra, and no psychic energy
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>>59161209
very likely no scizor until they give it another ex someday, there's no precedent for RRs of previous set EX cards.
and i'd eat my dick if they made a shiny ogerpon when it's still not available in main series. not happening.
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>>59160936
RIP then. I actually got the shiny immersive first, but I still think it's a ridiculous ripoff to have 2 identical immersives with their only difference being the colors. They could at least have changed the poses of the mon or something.
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>encounter giga whale with full shiny deck, crown flame patches, crown poeballs, etc
>he ragequits and closes the app halfway through when i drop oricorio to wall out zard
>check his profile after
>130k cards
imagine spending five figures on a game and still getting mad enough at it to ragequit. sad stuff.
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>>59161209
I don't see why they wouldn't make some new RR prints in the B series deluxe at the end of the year, especially with how much weaker the commons and trainers pool has been for series highlights (that didn't already release with special alt prints). But MScizor isn't who I would be placing bets on
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>>59159090
Thought this deck was going to be jank as fuck, but it's pretty good. Find myself actually getting down to 0 cards in deck so running 2 different stage 2 lines isn't nearly as much of an issue as I thought. Was struggling at first but realized I need to be leaning into Deceduleye more. Despite not having any grass energies, he's still the star of the show and everyone else are backup dancers. Which feels weird since you only carry one copy of him, but just believing in the heart of the cards and vomitting your entire hand out every turn works.
Goomy is funny as shit. Had a few players Leaf into Igglybuff/Chingling only to realize that they need a fucking energy just to use their baby move. So funny when they actually pause after the play and I can tell they're fucking confused and reading Goomy before ending their turn doing jack shit. It makes me wish there was a more consistent way to start with Goomy other than slotting another one in. Almost tempted to remove Maintenance for it because even though it feels like it should help you fish out cards faster combined with Hiking Trail, it feels like it requires too much to be useful. You'd need trash in your hand, and hiking trail, and even then it's not like it guarantees to fix your brick. But the deck is already so loaded up that there may be something better to slot in than a 2nd Goom...
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>>59161856
yeah maintenance would probably be the card to replace, but there's not much you actually want in that slot. it's gotta be an item or tool, as a basic would be really bricky and there's not really any other supporters that fit an all-in bench snipe deck. maybe cape, maybe another x speed to shuffle goomy and oricorio around easier, maybe even a comm to dig for the mons you need. dunno.
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