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Niggers believe in it
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/flatism-is-racist/

>>41868251
lol i'm aware.
you are not selling me

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7kILRhmzy8

>>41868247
an hour and a half and no visuals or anything? no way. can't do it.

watching this feels like fucking a textbook

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md5Rl1cIfgs

>>41868247 (OP) #
Its measured flat, I am the anon that will tell you earth's measured flat and you cannot get away with it.
Its not science, nor explanation, nor theory, nor belief, hell, NOT EVEN LOGIC, because logic would be inductive not deductive. A lot of people dont know what these terms actually mean.
What is demonstrated to be a description of reality stand on its own. You cant change a measurement of earth. Earth is measured flat 100% with elevation angles, if you want to measure the whole known earth to be flat
>>41868251 #
Turns out low IQ has its own merits. Stop hating on humans who exist on the low spectrum, there will never be equality.
Yeah white boys get to fucking be all complicated and think theres a reason for starwars and dragonball Z. Who cares. Flat earth community is dominated by whites

>>41868247
As some who loves entertaining conspiracy theories, I tried really hard to get into it. Normally I can find at least a sliver of "woah what the fuck there might be something to this" even in whacky shit like hollow earth, but couldn't find a grain of anything convincing or even interesting in flat earth. I watched hours of video essays from flat earthers. It's just for retards, sorry anon. I was disappointed too.

>>41868437
No shit it looked like a disk, he was still in the stratosphere, not in space. Why the fuck would it look like a globe from the stratosphere

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So adjacent to flat earth are two interesting questions that would allow me to continue. Fwiw I do not think it is "just flat". Anyway
>1. Did humanity go to the Moon and back during the Apollo 11 mission?
And
>2. How much do you know about Antarctica?

>>41868838
Flat earth isnt a theory its earth geometry being measured flat. Welcome to flat earth
>>41868838
>air sphere
Doesnt exist. Gas fills its container

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GLOBE SHOT DOWN DEAD WITH ANGLES! UH OHHH...
Now we wait for balltard faggots with their ridicule and humiliation over...nothing. Because they dont have any refutation
You dont have to like that the earth is flat, no one asked you to. I didnt invent angles I dont decide what they are
So if this diagram is misrepresenting the really big ball we live on, where are you drawing your tangent to huh? Perhaps the black swan horizon? good bye ball religion forever

>>41869156
I wanna be as good of a troll as you are
I know you don't really believe the earth is flat

>>41868251
>Niggers believe in it
No surprises there.
Even that famous negro B.O.B or whatever is his nickname fell for it. Imagine the embarrassment. I am sure he will never mention it again.

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>>41869156
>Because they dont have any refutation

You were proven wrong and stupid countless of times and you just ignore it.

Dishonest scum.

People are tired of your bullshit and just insult you at this point. Just search the archive, people tried.

>>41868247
>>41868251
>only blacks, browns and jews believe in flat earth
makes sense, explains why these retards cant even make a map.
flatties are to

>>41869209
Youre right I dont believe in flat earth because it isnt a belief. I know it to be flat because its a measurement not my belief, you stupid dumbfuck kys globie
>>41869718
>You were proven wrong
Monologuing about shit that never happened. How do you prove a description wrong, WERE YOU DROPPED ON YOUR FUCKING HEAD AS A KID DUMBASS?
Yeah search the archive because you'll find nothing other than me describing measurements and ballers coping about it. Go fuck yourself faggot
>>41870019
Still no globe map because all maps are flat. You arent allowed to use maps that come from a grid system or AE. Stop stealing flat earth stuff to defend your globe, you arent allowed to
>still no ball map exists

>>41868247
its fake and gay.

>>41868247
Here
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

>>41871569
and you are fully serious with this?

lol quite truly the most retarded fucking shit i have ever seen

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>>41872053

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>nomappers eternally btfo

>>41870556
>Still no globe map because all maps are flat
what does this sentence even mean?
globe maps are made using globe data, and globe measurements.
>globe map works
globe confirmed.
>>41872074
>an anime screenshot

so, flatties still dont have a map? : (

>>41875703
It means all maps are flat, no such thing as a ball map
>but muh map is a ball
So if youre here to spam "muh ball map" here forever until the end of time, perhaps you can tell us where the dipole comes from?
>still refuses to adress the dipole
Stop stealing flat earth stuff to defend globe religion
>still not ball map, all maps are flat

>>41876273
Of course there is a globe map, based on the globe measurements, and the map works.

You know what we DONT have?
A map of flat earth.

Go google "map of the globe" or go to a book store, its everywhere.

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>>41870556
> still no globe "map" exists.
a globe "map" typically doesn't exist because it's a sphere you fucking retard. a map is flat. however you can map a flat surface into a sphere as pictured faggot

so far I give the flat-earthers an F-

- OP

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>>41877491
if they mapping type doesn't work for you, here are some more standard mapping models

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>>41868247
Say no more senpai

https://youtu.be/GwkqLv-fOjg?t=2209
https://youtu.be/m7ZpvLu_tFE
https://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBE
https://youtu.be/lKg-yn86zp4
https://youtu.be/p-BFmn2S_jU
https://youtu.be/BVJgObFHLY4
https://youtu.be/ru5fdfovkGI
https://youtu.be/74KRZt5oJME
https://youtu.be/tdwy-hxS-ts
https://youtu.be/UAx5cl9VpTE
https://youtu.be/JlFnJPFjcc0
https://youtu.be/XetG30_YOeo
https://youtu.be/ziVLbEoQ4Sc
https://youtu.be/7H_1ZbuA9HI
https://youtu.be/UbYtkrTquXE
https://youtu.be/1WHIr-IFqAo
https://youtu.be/WcqKUhU0WDc
https://youtu.be/wPrDg0CtWnk
https://youtu.be/hoGTBdu7dMc
https://youtu.be/mcLwr86emds
https://youtu.be/U_bJYXS9p4A
https://youtu.be/JOqc63Pp9OA
https://youtu.be/X-w8acuxF6w
https://youtu.be/nGLJ5XJP3uE
https://youtu.be/olbyJDou4qQ
https://youtu.be/0Q18iSz6mus
https://youtu.be/aFFM3YJAs4Q
https://youtu.be/Stft_t48Hxc
https://youtu.be/QWa7lTxhrKI
https://youtu.be/Zc_J2k4Cdp8
https://youtu.be/DdLLamniSyg
https://youtu.be/udjk_FB80kM
https://youtu.be/4nKIN_eHYxw
https://youtu.be/fDBRhxryfZM
https://youtu.be/-rmDj1MJyaY
https://youtu.be/Kv9-JuLRpg0
https://youtu.be/7Eeo-82Eac8
https://youtu.be/0Vv62PFFsNU
https://youtu.be/CDG4oiCx_is
https://youtu.be/wz68Q2Nz05A
https://youtu.be/WffliCP2dU0
https://youtu.be/uUuTAflN1rU
https://youtu.be/lkmY_4PKMlY
https://youtu.be/McdMMmclGVc
https://youtu.be/Cm7fBZq-8T4
https://youtu.be/4SlRsbQ3nfM
https://youtu.be/Z36Ns7KUYHw
https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss
https://youtu.be/CATklVkPEMw
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA
https://youtu.be/WXaXnAvEpB8
https://youtu.be/gWnFMWqDRQE
https://youtu.be/EvnrD49RmAY
https://youtu.be/3wU8_jT61eE
https://youtu.be/lMhheDWThxE
https://youtu.be/hG_sv5SWi3Y?t=507
https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2477
https://youtu.be/d_h5tupEdn8
https://youtu.be/jDKfJROVHJE
https://youtu.be/maBf0H3UNJI
https://youtu.be/Jm7nBn7RxhU
https://youtu.be/BEV2SAL8z5g
https://youtu.be/Qse5Jc8jgSk
https://youtu.be/zMAa5Ir7IHU

>>41876384
Theres no globe measurements exception the imaginary ones you pull from your ass. Earth is 100% measured flat without exception
Can't have both the black swan and earth curve measurement, that would violate the law of non contradiction
>still cant adress where his dipole comes from
>all maps are stil flat, no globe map from globe data exists, all ball maps come from flat earth data
Thanks for stealing flat earth stuff again but you arent allowed to
>>41877491
>>41877504
Longitudinal lines are imaginary lines. longitude distortion is non sequitur to the dipole that the ball came from
>still cant adress the dipole after being asked multiple times
>still no ball map

>>41877564
> Longitudinal lines are imaginary lines. longitude distortion is non sequitur to the dipole that the ball came from

Show your work or you don't get credit

>>41878121
thanks for bumping a dead thread

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>>41877546
for sure bud.
gonna watch ALL these RIGHT away lmaooooo

>>41878136
not dead anymore faggoteer

>>41878363
WOW 1 person replied,
Its alive!
Its alive!

>>41878121
>show your work
Nice pivot
Show where the dipole came from

>>41878234

hot iron core + rotation.
liquid outer core convects.
moving conductive metal makes currents.
currents make a magnetic field.
rotation organizes it into a dipole.

google is free btw in case you didn't know

>>41878439
ps this ONLY works if sphere btw

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>glerfs still can't explain how we arrived from this to a dipole map
Its over

>>41868251
>women
This is fake

>>41868247
Govt psyops. A test to see how many dummies and schizos there are.

who cares about the shape of the earth. Can't we just get along?

>>41868247
The shape doesn't matter. The fact that they've been caught lying on numerous occasions is enough to discredit the narrative in its entirety. It may as well be flat because of this, whether it is or isnt. The flat earthers at least sincere while NASA will never have credibility.

>>41878357
Then you what flat earthers claimed to not follow in to look at the evidence yourself, goober. And yeah, nice shirt too, fag.

what a dead thread. the flat earth shills must be busy pushing some other lies

>>41877564
>Theres no globe measurements
of course there are! and they are 100% correct, which proves the globe.

24/7 sun in Antarctica killed flat earths momentum, it's over.

>>41883293
>Measure elevation angles to a 24 hour sun
>Therefore measure earth flat
Wow +1 flat earth from the Antarctica trip

If Earth was flat the sun would appear to grow in wildly different sizes.
Also the flat earth model cannot explain a number of natural phenomenon like hurricanes, the spherical model does.
Also the flat earth model cannot explain time zone differences.

>>41879946
This. When it comes to NASA, the ISS, and space there are proof of true lies and deception. This is what ppl should be looking into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmj_SdBURX0

>>41885184
The ISS actually proves the globe too, lol.

>>41885269
I'm proposing that the ISS is a bunch of bs. I'm not FEer but I am an anti NASA/ISSer lol

>>41885285
Well then good thing i can check if its bullshit with a pair of binoculars.
>Look at the ISS
>Yup, looks real
>Yup, its going in a straight line
Globe proven, again.

>>41885184
not a single fake thing there. its just more retards seeing what they want to see and what they are told to see, and none of them understand what they are actually seeing.

>>41885307
The station could be physically there, doesn't mean there are people in it. Also could be a hologram. You can say that's bs or unlikely and that's fine, but you simply can't rule it out.

>>41885392
I'm not going to engage with someone who refuses to understand their opposing views' perspective and instead be close minded out of fear of their narrative of reality is wrong.

>>41868251
Niggers believe the earth didnt have color prior to the 1960s and that the world only has colors because of the civil rights movement

This is a real belief held by many blacks in the south. They can't conphrehend black and white film

>>41885411
Of course there are people on it, why wouldnt they be?
>A hologram
No.

>>41885411
>blah blah waffle
none of that shit was fake retard. go find the full context videos instead of these lying little clips.

>>41885419
I'm not gonna type out a whole essay and shit, just throwing the idea out there. It requires you doing research instead of taking what your teacher told you as gospel. They are all freemasons, buzz is a well known confirmed one, its fucking NASA for heavens sake, Never A Straight Answer, and the women are perming their hair to make it look like a vacuum. If I was in charge of the ISS I would make it mandatory for women or men to cut their hair off as it would be a massive hazard and annoyance.

Those are the 3 main points ill dish out, out of MANY. But yeah you have to look into it and if you don't take the time to do it then that's fine I respect your opinion. If I was reading this off the internet without knowing anything about the ISS I would call bs too, but once I started looking into it there were just too many red flags where there should be 0.

>>41885419
Last thing, if you look up ISS change of command ceremonies they are all doing freemason body and hand signs and it's just very eerie and you can tell it's a joke. Just wanted to include that, that was another obvious one to me.

>>41885427
>If I was in charge of the ISS I would
im sure you know much more about it than al the people who worked to build and maintain it. man, the incredible arrogance of flat earthers. absolutely amazing.

>>41885431
>>41885427
>Muh free muhsons
Nobody gives a shit about that fucking nonsense, the ISS is there, along with the crew, that's all you need to know.

>>41885445
It's called logic and reasoning my friend. I am a glober btw don't get it twisted. I just call bs when I see it. And I've def done the research trust me. But - The only hard evidence is what you see in the videos of their bodies clearly strapped. It's really obvious in some clips. But the perm to me is the best evidence. It's insane. Freemasonry aside which is obv the biggest indicator...

>>41885459
Fair enough

>>41885471
There is nothing wrong in any of the videos of the ISS, you're just being a retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetG30_YOeo

>>41885471
>iv'e done done the watching of collections of lying little slips strung together with no context.
this is all you've done. ive seen most of the ones these fags go on about. literally nothing to see.
>my best evidence is the behavior of hair in an environment ive absolutely no experience with
lol.

>>41885495
oh ffs, now its the basic stuff about pressure vessels again.

im sure all these faggots are just trolls.

>>41885501
I would hope you compared with how real hair looks in a 0 gravity simulator. It's undeniable. If you don't want to see it and believe it I understand. It's not like NASA is going to come out and say hey the ISS is fake. You have to speculate when it comes to these things unfortunately, but for some people they'd rather believe what their told as 100% fact instead of receiving information and then coming to your own conclusion. I don't have all the answers to the world, and I'm okay with that. Who cares anyways lol just getting some engagement I could def be wrong but neither me or you can prove it 100% at the end of the day

>>41885513
its undeiable that all you've ever done is watch collections of lying clips posted by flat earthers

look at this

https://youtu.be/fJujRJMiKVs?t=16

just watch how her hair moves, how it flows around as she moves. thats nothing like the rigidity of a perm or hairspray etc. also notice the necklace. there are more videos on the page.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/24/240518463/video-in-space-a-single-hair-can-move-you

>>41885513
There is nothing wrong in any of the ISS videos.
>Yeah well i think there is!
Nobody cares.
The ISS is there (you can see it with your own eyes), and there are people on it.
>Nuh uh! There arent any people on the ISS!
Why wouldnt they be? What idiotic magical nonsense reason do you have to think there arent any people on the ISS?

>>41885561
Bro did you see the first lady... And yes they got it right with some women but there are clear examples of permed hair esp in older videos. There should be 0 examples. So just because both perm and not permed exist, does not mean I don't have a point. Plus, lets say they are covering it up and they aren't really in the ISS, that would be such a silly dumb mistake laughing at our intelligence. I shouldn't even be questioning it.

>>41885565
You're too stubborn, but that's okay. You believe what you believe, I respect it and also don't blame you.

Same person here - in terms of FE, this single-handedly ruins the theory for me (I posted this in the other thread)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_Cup_Yacht_Race

Sure, this could be fake, who knows. But if this is true and real then you can't claim Antarctica is the perimeter of the FE model at least.

>>41886890
> they got it right
so you think thats all digital effects we've been seeing?
>but there are clear examples of permed hair esp in older videos.
no, there isnt. you're just seeing the effect of different kinds of hair. what do you think thick springy hair is going to be like in freefall/micro gravity? its not going to flow and bend anything like thinner hair.
>There should be 0 examples.
there no example of fakery. its just different hair behaving differently. thats all it is. you just dont understand it.
> they are covering it up and they aren't really in the ISS
why would this even be necessary? why cant the ISS exist?

>>41886915
I showed an example of the hair earlier. And by the way, this is just one detail out of many oddities that have been shown from the ISS. I’m not here to convince you—we can disagree, because no one agrees with every other human’s opinions.

But to tie it back to FE, I think NASA should be the focus of the debate. If the ISS is unmanned and the footage we see is staged, that does not automatically mean the Earth is flat. It would definitely raise a lot of questions, though.

However, to just write it off—especially when it’s coming from an agency like NASA, which was founded by a Nazi—is something I can’t do. I don’t think it’s that far-fetched for them to do this, given that elites have been pretty much proven to be PDFs at this point, with Epstein as evidence.

As to why this would be necessary - I would assume to keep up the globe earth belief and/or space being a vast vacuum. IF in fact there is something more to it that we don't know. Just a guess I can only speculate here.

>>41886915
Also have to show something for the trillions in funding they receive.

>>41886953
>this is just one detail out of many oddities that have been shown from the ISS
well, you said it was your best point before which is why we're focusing on it.
>I showed an example of the hair earlier.
i know. and thats just what thicker springy hair that wants to do its own thing would do.
>
However, to just write it off
theres nothing to write off. you're just seeing what you want to see that isn't really there.
> I would assume to keep up the globe earth belief and/or space being a vast vacuum
so you lean towards flat earth, or are one and just being coy. But this is getting things backwards and it seem as if you're determined to say the ISS is fake BECAUSE you think the earth is flat. Otherwise there would be no need to fake the thing int he first place

> trillions in funding they receive.
lol. over what time scale do you think NASA has had trillions in funding?

>>41887017
No, it does not mean FE. It could also mean a “divine creation” world. It could mean many things—maybe even things we’ve never thought of. But deception means they are hiding or lying to us about something, whatever the reason is.

I think at this point we just can’t see eye to eye, and I’m not going to waste my time debating a potential bot . Not saying that you are, but you feel me—it’s the internet, brother, haha.

I lean toward what makes sense. I start with a blank canvas and collect information—no bias. I’m open to anything if there’s enough proof and if it makes sense.

But one thing we can agree on is that people in power conspire behind closed doors to maintain control and retain their power. It is what it is. It’s up to you to decipher what’s BS and what’s not, and how deep the rabbit hole really goes, if you choose to believe there is one.

>>41887058
>It could also mean a “divine creation” world.
and what would that that be like that means the ISS cant orbit it?
> I’m not going to waste my time debating a potential bot .
>everyone who disagrees with me is a bot
this is retarded too. dont bother talking to anyone then, apart from those who agree with you because clearly they would never be a bot.
> I’m open to anything if there’s enough proof and if it makes sense.
i dont think thats true. you mentioned hair as your best point but all youve got are one or two examples of women with the kind of hair that sticks up and doesn't flow around like other womens hair does. instead of getting the full length higher res videos and really looking at everything in the shot, including the hair in question, to see how it behaves in detail, you just have some little clips that are constantly posted by flat earthers.
>rabbit hole
its there, but its not these silly time wasting things like flat earth, fake space, moonlandings etc etc. thats all retarded garbage.

>>41887081

Well, you could be a bot, how would I know? I could be one too, lol. Either way, I guess I’m entertained by this conversation, so I’ll carry on a bit even though it’s going nowhere, lmao.

I think I’ve figured out the root of our disagreement. When approaching things like this, I get rid of everything I was told about the subject - like I’m an alien coming down to observe. I start fresh.

When you make claims like “the ISS is not faked” or “the moon landing was real,” you’re referring to a preconceived notion of (potential) brainwashing. There is no proof to back up those statements other than what you were told by teachers and authoritative figures. That information has the potential to be wrong and used to deceive you.

It could be true that the moon landing happened and that the ISS footage is real, but it could also be faked. They are equal on the Libra scale, since you weren’t there on the moon to see it yourself, nor aboard the ISS.

If my life depended on answering truthfully whether the ISS footage is fake or not, I would definitely take a second guess and really analyze it. If you go to school and the teacher shows you a blue pencil but tells you it’s red, you would never know it’s actually blue. I would rather question things and even be wrong sometimes than blindly accept a lie and be fooled. So this is where we keep butting heads as you are taking certain things as absolute fact when it has the potential to be false. And if the ISS or moon landing footage is real then there should not be any doubts or red flags (on a reasonable level) whatsoever. Just my two cents. But overall, I'm fascinated by all the potential theories of this crazy, weird, reality we live in.

>>41868247
Look out your window, can you see the curve? No? Well then it's flat, simple as.

>>41887203
I mean I was getting a bit philosophical there in a sense but you get the point. If dude killed a man and a witness said yup he did it, and I'm in the jury, idk if that would be enough for me without other hard evidence to lock him up.

>>41887162
>I would rather question things and even be wrong sometimes than blindly accept a lie and be fooled.
the problem is that you think you're the only onw here thats questioned anything. you think that anyone disagreeing with you blindly accepting what they've been told.

this is all wrong. ive taken long look at what flat earthers and moonhoax believers have claimed and found it all wanting.

You also seem to believe that you can only know things by either direct observation or by accepting what you're told, but again, this is wrong. You can also have sufficient experience with things to be able to, for example, not think that the hair in a video taken on the ISS is behaving strangely.

i think thats what people who believe in flat earth, fake ISS, moonhoax etc are dealing with - a simple paucity of understanding of sometimes quite simple things, and its this which leads them into accepting the false conclusions of those saying these things are fake or that the earth is flat.

>>41887228
I gave you examples and clearly stated that it can be true and it can be false. You're saying no its true beyond a reasonable doubt and I simply disagree. That's it, it is what it is. We used to believe in a FE. We used to believe many wrong theories because that's what they are, theories. Eventually they are disproven as we advance. Not all theories of course, but a lot of them yes. I think NASA is fishy, and you don't. So be it g no need to bang ur head on the wall.

>>41887228
And btw, I'm a glober mainly because of stuff like this would be really hard for FE to explain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica_Cup_Yacht_Race

(if this is a real race ofc kekw)

>>41887254
>You're saying no its true beyond a reasonable doubt and I simply disagree.
yes, and your evidence and reasoning is terrible. i hope you will advance past this nonsense because its showing real limitations on your part.
> I think NASA is fishy, and you don't.
because theres no evidence apart from silly things like how hair is supposed to be doing the wrong thing. its a joke.

>the trillions
you never did address this point you raised and the question i asked you about. over what time scale do you think Nasa has had trillions?
assuming it had, which you have no demonstrated, why would that be fishy? have you looked at what things cost to get design, built, launched and then maintained for years and years of a project?

>>41887286
its certainly suggestive. but the more basic issue is that it would be trivial to show that antarctica was NOT a land mass you could sail around. a single sailing while keeping an accurate plot of your route on a map would do it. do you keep turning towards the land mass to go around it, or do you keep turning away from it to keep going around the inside of the 'wall'?

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>>41887288
Adjusted for inflation. Tbh, I don’t care about this contention anyway. You’re trying to pick at anything you can get a grasp of instead of thinking independently. But look - if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I would accept it and move on. It’s just my opinion, and I disagree with yours. NASA can be a perfectly innocent organization since its inception in your worldview. It doesn’t affect me in my day to day.

>>41887294
I actually thought of that, and then I tried to figure out maybe the 40th parallel south is a circle on the FE map, but I could not find a detailed map with that information xD. I mean a possible, but I think one would recognize what's going on.

>>41887310
>Adjusted for inflation. across its entire history
ok, thats what i was getting at. in terms of the US budget over that same period i think you'll find its next to nothing.
>You’re trying to pick at anything you can get a grasp of instead of thinking independently.
no thats not what im doing at all and its strange that you think so. its probably because you dont want to have your claims placed into their proper context, because they tend not to sound (or in terms of your hair thing, look) so strange when you do that.
The more you look at things in context and in detail and know about stuff the less you're going to think this stuff is strange or fake etc. Look into what things actually cost to design, build and launch, then the upkeep. The equipment that gets put into space, especially for manned use, is probably about the most expensive equipment ever made, plus Nasa, as a government agency, has for some time not been exactly on the efficient side of things.

>>41868247
Im 50/50 for it
I have heard good arguments from both sides

>>41887338
So this really gets into the base of everything. How deep can deception go? What systems need to be in place if deception was true?

I think a good example for this is the jab. All the peer reviewed studies, John Hopkins, Fauci, was all deception at least to a certain extent. Whether people involved even knew what was going on, there was a system in place. In my world view I see a ton if corruption. I think it's very blatant and in your face actually. That's just how I see it. Am I wrong about some stuff? I'm sure I am. But I bet I'm right about other stuff too lol. Anyways, to respond to your post, I think the deception CAN be that deep. Just my opinion.

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>>41887254
I AGREE
IT SPELLS "LIES" IN HEBREW.
THE JEWS ARE LYING TO YOU

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>>41887363
in contrast to the development and pushing of the covid vaxx there was not a single person involved in making Apollo work, for example, who came out and said it was bad or fake or whatever. lots of medical professionals put their career on the line to do that, including some highly placed people from the companies producing the vaxxes.
> I think the deception CAN be that deep.
i think it can too. but theres just no evidence that the moonlandings or the ISS are that way. sometimes things are just what they are. not everything is some deep deception.

>>41887562

Aren't there many claimed whistleblowers? I'm sure you can find whistleblowers whether fake/real for anything. Didn't Buzz state he didn't go to the moon in a very serious manner? I do not create my beliefs off whistleblowers, but they are taken into consideration with a small grain of salt.

We have a fundamental difference in what we claim to be true or fact. And btw, I'm not saying moon landing was a hoax, I was using it as an example for NASA being sketch. I'm in the middle for that one. I guess I'm a fence sitter for a lot of these conspiracy theories, because I am honest in terms of perspective and I really analyze both sides of a story. But if there is a record of being sketch, or 10 coincidences for example, then at some point you have to call a spade a spade for sure. I believe there is evidence btw, but even if there wasn't, it would not stop me from honestly analyzing an idea. Every lie has "no evidence" at some point, until it slowly unravels, or you can see it or come to terms with it.

I mean clearly we have different philosophies to life. I know mine is a bit hardcore but it's very absolutist in a sense. To me, if something is a fact then it's really a 100% provable and demonstrative fact, not because it's in a textbook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmlQsgRNJn0

>>41868251
Clintonsissies not like this.

>>41869156
>fell for the jewish propaganda instead of believing the greeks

>>41887631
>Aren't there many claimed whistleblowers?
no
>Didn't Buzz state he didn't go to the moon in a very serious manner?
no. he was answering a question about why no one had gone back. if you listen in context its really quite clear. you'd really have to wanting to hear what you want to hear in order to ignore the context so much.
> I believe there is evidence btw
i know you do. but there actually isn't for whatever you think nasa is hiding. its all silly things like the hair - simple misunderstandings.
>To me, if something is a fact then it's really a 100% provable and demonstrative fact, not because it's in a textbook.
but you already mentioned above that you cant know something unless you went a saw it. anyway, so far as anything can be known to be true without going and seeing it in person, the moonlandings happened. theres plenty of evidence for it and absolutely no reason why it couldnt be done in terms of technology etc
> I am honest in terms of perspective and I really analyze both sides of a story.
well, i hope thats true.

>>41888044
>simple misunderstandings.
https://youtu.be/L7ZmobxHLLI?si=m9QrGVNAsXiVnBz5
yep just silly misunderstandings

>>41888054
You mean the VAB thing? tell me, why would the LM pilot need to know much about the VAB? what exactly did they have to do with his specific task? Or indeed, with any of the guys task? Do you think they were out there trying to fly around them or something?
Also, the guy is really old. memory can be an issue. Also, Sibrel cant be trusted with his editing or claims in general. He's a known liar - remember all that crap about 'secret never before seen' footage? that was completely false.

>>41888044
Yeah he was answering why we didn't go back and clearly he's sending out some sort of message to the masses. He reacted very strangely and his choice of words was interesting. Maybe they did go but saw aliens. Idk. He's hiding something for sure. Again, there is no way I can prove this, but human body language, and the way he gets his message across, is enough for ME. My body my choice xD. My observation, my decision. Whether we went to the moon or not idgaf. Again, this is proof of deception idc what u say. Agree to disagree I'm okay with it.

>>41888044
I mean do you even remember their little months late 3i Atlas photo hostage and then presentation? Everything with NASA when it comes to these major events is just so sketch. Bad vibes. Weird. And don't forget the point that gives this a foundation: FREE MASONS & NAZIS

OP here:

flat earthers are trying to dig themselves to china.
oh wait no, if the earth is flat then...
fuckkkkkk

>>41868247
4chan drones are full brainwhashing mode against it

>>41888280
please keep going though. i love it

i'm trying to learn as much as I can.
it's very entertaining and not at all educational

ISS/NASA guy here:

Honestly at the end of they day, I'm just gauging interest. Seeing if my beliefs or observations hold any weight. I enjoy the conversation. Ultimately, who the fuck knows. The point is that it's okay to question things and whether Joe Shmoe thinks the Earth is a hot dog or not, who cares, as long as he doesn't impede on my beliefs. I enjoy different perspectives and theories. This is really just entertainment for me at the end of the day. And when it comes to FE, there is all this map, refraction, poles talk when really its speculation in essence. IMHO things like permgate (lol) is at least something easily observable and tangible. Idk that's how I see it. The Antarctica Yacht Race, stuff like that. I lean more globe though in conclusion, but I admit I can be wrong. Good points to both sides.

PS: I do think NASA is fishy tho kekw

>>41888388
the earth COULD be a hot dog. i don't actually know

>>41888477
Facts. The solar system could be an atom that is part of a hot dog inside of that hot dog Earth. Idk.

>>41868247
It literally doesn't matter what the earths shape is and is a well poisoning tactic to discredit conspiracy truthers

>>41885459
Trust the man on the TV, goy.. guys

>>41888103
>clearly he's sending out some sort of message to the masses
>he'd hiding something for sure!!!1
>this is proof of deception
no, its proof that you're being a retard, seeing what you want to see. it s couldnt be more clear what he's saying but you still want to imagine secret confessions etc.

>>41890647
If you're the same guy I've been going back and forth with, then I'm convinced you're a bot at this point. Or potentially a human incapable of accepting things you disagree with. Idk not gonna go in circles senpai it is what it is all good

>>41890984
im the same guy and yes, of course i disagree with you. from my perspective you're saying 4+4=5, im saying its 4 and all you come back with is 'well lets just agree to disagree'.

thats nonsense. like your takes on hair in free fall and thinking that you're hearing secret confessions in answers to clear questions.

its like one woman i met years ago who really thought that a famous rock star was communicating to her in secret whenever he posted on a fan forum. She was convinced she was seeing hidden messages. But of course she wasn't. She was just suffering from delusions that made her feel special.

>>41891008
1. What if she was right?
2. You don't know for certain. Some celebs go read their fan reddit etc.
3. Who cares?

>>41891151
>what if a crazy person was right
she wasn't. rock stars have zero need to send secret messages to a women (never met the star obviously) who they like. Of course she had all kinds of rationalizations to support her delusion (He doesn't want to make other fans jealous etc) but they were also crazy.
>Some celebs go read their fan reddit etc.
completely different to what im talking about
>who cares
you should, because you might be doing similar things. when you get to the point of looking for secret hidden messages like you're doing you might want to keep an eye on yourself and get some standards of evidence etc.

>>41891172
U need shrooms of something of that sort, your ego is too big. You are not always right, you can't be making big assumptions like that when it comes to questioning reality and society. The diff between you and me is that I stated things are fishy or sketch and x is a possibility, but y could be true as well. You just say no y is true nothing else is possible.

>>41891185
no, the difference is that you're arrogant enough to call everyone else wrong and deceived based on some retarded little things you've seen in some youtube videos, despite knowing nothing about the things you're looking at.

you rationalize this arrogance by believing yourself to be the more open minded, the more honest questioner of things. its broadly the same as what that woman was doing.

>>41891196
Fuck, ur a bot 100%. I'm convinced. God dammit what am I doing w my life lol

>>41891211
>those who disagree with me are always bots
more rationalization on your part. you'll do anything to maintain your delusions about being more open minded etc than all the 'normies' and 'sheep', even to the point of believing that there are bots sent out on the internet with the purpose of trying to stop you being such a great and important truth seeker.

its delusional 'main character' type thinking. take care anon.

>>41891266
Idk why you have such a hard on to try and change my opinion, but these bots are getting more advanced. Cheers brother. Go stir some shit up on reddit that's bot heaven

>>41891301
>Idk why you have such a hard on to try and change my opinion,
because i dont like seeing people getting taken in by such silly lying memes on the internet.

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>>41868247
flat earth is a psyop to muddle the water and deny all conspiracies.
Even in face of hard facts, like the recent emails, NPCs still think is all the same.

>>41868247
It was believed because the church killed nights who dared to question it.
Then mathematically it can be proved the earth is roughly spherical, and observations of other planets by people for hundreds of years show that they are spherical.
And then we get to modern day, where three letter agencies have psyoped a bunch of retards into believing the Earth is flat, so that the most normie of the cattle niggas don't wake up to the atrocities commited on a daily basis by the nations we call home.

>>41891706
i think that once you get taken in by flat earth memes and lies your ability to understand things, which was already necessarily low, becomes more and more corrupted as you grow used to believing the most retarded crap.

flat earth is probably being used to actively damage peoples minds.

>>41868247
See the debate on Globeyglobeface and Austin. Great fun. I don't know if Globeyglobeface is a troll or not. I just figured about this name anyway. But properly a shill like most.

https://x.com/FlatEarthZone/status/1605785882526564352

>>41896022
>FlatEarthZone status:
maximally retarded

how does FE explain shorter days longer nights and vice versa?

BINGO
You don't have to like that earths measured flat, no one is asking you to like it. I'm just telling you what it is.
BAHAAHHAHAHHAAH
Earths measured flat it's a measurement of the earth. can't do anything about it! Cant run away from it!
Time to move on with your day and find a real job shills

>>41868838
Perhaps you should get your cognitive dissonance checked out and stop taking your prescription meds.

>>41898474
Thanks for bumping this dead thread

>>41880778
>what a dead thread. the flat earth shills must be busy pushing some other lies
Yeah, interesting observation. I've learned to recognize some of them and they are clearly absent.

>>41898749
agreed. its quiet......too quiet.
they probably got moved onto /pol/ to keep the catalogue full of other crap for a while

Gave up talking to cia bot lol

>>41898776
>>41898749
Im one of those guys, i just stopped talking posting because there is not point in trying; its always the same cericular arguments
>meh map
and overall a non productive thing to do with my time

Are you guys sad that you aren't getting the attention you whores need :(

>>41898797
>and overall a non productive thing to do with my time
LOL. what a wonderful example of how flat earthers know nothing about anything at all. They have not the first clue about how accurate maps were incredibly in demand back in the day and how nations spent fortunes on funding their creation.

But no, because the flat earther is possibly the most ignorant and arrogant of humans imaginable, he thinks its a waste of time. He'd rather most lying memes because thats more productive. Doing that gets him at least a few cents per post.

>>41896418
Like yourself for not making an effort with your post.

>>41899152
Like NASA for inventing the fake globe space in studios.

Just to throw this out there on how deep the deception can go - did you guys know Charles Darwin was a freemason? Did you know he was a Christian? Did you know he supported eugenics? Another popular and widely believed theory that came from a freemason. Just to show how deep the rabbit hole could be

https://porchwaylodge7027.co.uk/some-interesting-masonic-facts/
ctrl f darwin

I'm not completely calling bs but anything coming from a freemason needs to be looked at a little closer. In regards to NASA.

We live in a snow globe.

Our eyes are round and that's why the earth looks round but it's actually flat

>>41879329
nah it isn't, the first "in person" I met that was a flat earther was a woman, obviously it wasn't her only retarded belief so for my own safety and sanity I just didn't follow and who knows what she is doing now

>GUYS! LETS FIGURE OUT THE SHAPE OF THIS THING WE LIVE ON!
>HOW CAN WE DO THAT?!
>LETS TRAVEL ALL OVER THAT THING WE LIVE ON, AND MAP IT!
>THATS LOGICAL! LETS DO IT!
>turns out the shape of that thing we live in is.... a globe!
nice.

>>41898776
i would LOVE to prove the globe to a flattie but sadly they cant speak english or they just dump 9000 links to youtube and run away when i try to talk about these 9000 youtube videos.

>>41900957
Ignorant of you figure how many "earth maps taken by NASA" look different each time. I assume some are just concepts of what you wanna believe.

>>41900961
I don't know, I thought most 4channers don't have lives, you're too much speeding up on a globe that supposedly spins fast "1,000 miles per hour". Guys, just gonna go sky surfing. Because even if that sounds cool in globe world, it's kind of retarded at the same time and can't process proper information because someone put alot of youtube links that you can spend in your basement all day learning.

>>41900964
no, not even 1 map of earth ever looked different, they all show the same thing.

is it true that flatties still dont have a map of flat earth?
thats kinda sad.
how do they want to prove anything if they dont have the most basic thing - a map?
you start with a map, thats literally the first thing to do.

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>>41900976
Isn't there map concepts on any search engine already? One with the ice around the world.

>>ask to show evidence of image, does not watch videos instead.

Pussy.

>>41900961
To be fair, let's say we're sitting on a bench at a park. How could one prove the Earth is a globe OR flat without pulling up anything on the internet, or without referencing anything? Like if we were two amazon tribal people.

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https://rumble.com/v4nxecb-44-government-documents-admit-flat-earth.html

Globies are so stunning and brave they can't even click a link and must make their mommies and daddies to do it.

>>41900983
>circle grid
thats a map of the globe.
>a few flatties used microsoft paint to draw some stupid ice wall on a map of the globe
good thing we know there is no retarded ice wall anywhere.

>>41900987
>how bout this
>or maybe that
>or maybe..... something else
no.
a map.
the flat earth discussion starts, and ends, with a map.
no map, you lose the whole argument right at t he start.

>>41900991
I'm sure that's what a glowie (You) would say.

Okay, buddy.

>>41900987
>let's say we're sitting on a bench at a park. How could one prove the Earth is a globe
EASY!
>look up at night
>see the ISS
>its going straight
>globe proven
there ya go, i just proved the globe while sitting on a bench.

>>41900996
>if you laugh your ass off at the retarded ice wall i just drew in microsoft paint, you're a secret government agent!
Agent Smith here, shalom, i can confirm washington hired me to laugh at you.
very fun job.

>>41900995
Uhh okay. Way to disregard an honest question.

>>41900997
And how exactly does that prove globe/flat?

>>41901004
uhhh okay, way to disregard an honest question for a map of flat earth.
>And how exactly does the ISS going straight prove the globe?
think really hard for a second here sweetie - how DOESNT it prove the globe?

>>41901001
Why you do care to notice a picture that designed in a paint program, dumbass? And? You know, like NASA photoshops lmao.

>>41901008
ISS and that NASA "training" are done in water. Like actual the moon landing. Even in the India moon landing was fucking laughable.

>>41901008
Instead of being arrogant, entitled, and self-centered, why not just answer the question?

>>41901015
No, the ISS isnt in the water.
Moon landing - go make another thread, i will GLADLY talk about it.
>>41901016
how bout YOU answer at least one question?
how come flatties never answer ANYTHING?
>yeah well how about this, then?
>yeah ok, then what about THAT?
>or.... THIS?
>or.... THAT?

i just want you to answer this ONE SIMPLE QUESTION:
>the flight path of the ISS is always straight, HOW does this fact prove the globe?
hmmm?
you see it up there that only going in a straight line.
ponder upon this question for a while.
its a VERY EASY question, but its ok if you need some time to grasp this.

>>41901097
>you see it up there, and its only going in a straight line.
oopsie, typo, phoneposting.

>>41901097
ISS training being conducted underwater is a verified fact.

Now consider this: imagine two people with no prior exposure to modern science - say, members of an isolated Amazonian tribe sitting in a park. By extraordinary timing, the ISS passes directly overhead in a straight line. Whether the Earth is a globe or flat, that apparent motion would look straight either way. So this observation alone doesn’t meaningfully distinguish between the two models, and it already depends on extreme coincidence.

Is there a method to demonstrate a globe Earth that does not rely on institutional authority, secondhand testimony, or pre-accepted assumptions?

My point is that both models are difficult to prove conclusively without appealing to external references or repeating information we’ve been taught since childhood. The debate ultimately hinges on trust unless the observer can independently verify the claim, ideally by direct experience, such as personally observing Earth from space, assuming a neutral and unbiased starting point.

For example, telling an isolated observer that they live on a sphere rotating at roughly 1,000 mph is an extraordinary claim that would understandably be met with skepticism. That doesn’t make it false - but it does require strong evidence. Conversely, the idea that Earth is a stationary plane with the Sun and Moon orbiting above it, hidden from humanity through a global deception, would also be an extraordinary and surprising claim.

The issue, then, is not which idea sounds intuitive, but what can be demonstrated independently and falsifiably without relying on institutional trust.

>>41901130
The ISS is in orbit, you can see it with your own eyes.
>but muh training! they trained under water!
and? so what?

>globe is difficult to prove
no, its not.
maybe for retards it is.
>the ISS passes directly overhead in a straight line. Whether the Earth is a globe or flat, that apparent motion would look straight either way.
no, it wouldnt.
THATS THE POINT.
it wouldnt go in a straight line on a pizza earth.
>but i only see the ISS going straight?
congratulations! you just proved the globe!

>>41901130
looks like we have made a flattie circle back to this:
>GUYS! LETS FIGURE OUT THE SHAPE OF THIS THING WE LIVE ON!
>HOW CAN WE DO THAT?!
>LETS TRAVEL ALL OVER THAT THING WE LIVE ON, AND MAP IT!
>THATS LOGICAL! LETS DO IT!
>turns out the shape of that thing we live in is.... a globe!
nice.

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>>41901147
That wouldn’t prove anything if we were tribal people. And you’re wrong, by the way. See image. The whole point is that we can’t reference anything. So if you make a claim like that about the ISS, it requires prior knowledge. So we still got no where in terms of my scenario of two people with no prior exposure to modern science sitting in a park.

>>41901160 Don't think that's how debates work, faggot.

You must be fun at gay parties.

>>41901167
>That wouldn’t prove anything if we were tribal people.
of course it proves the globe, doesnt matter if youre an amazonian nigger in the middle of a jungle, an australian, or an italian.
>see my stupid image
i did, and it appears you cant even type a prompt for chatgpt - kinda sad.

the ISS going straight proves the globe.
the ISS cant go straight 100% of the time on a pizza earth - it would have to go "under" the pizza for half of the time - and we know it doesnt do that - so - globe proven AGAIN.

Globalists=Globe.

See the pattern, yeah, I see the pattern, satanists, I see the pattern, yeaaaah.

>>41901179
thats exactly how debates work.

>>41901184
That's how masterDEBATING with your circle jerk friends around the globe at your dickless parties if you had a dick goes.

>>41901196
tldr
where's the map of flat earth?
>we dont have it, but ill call you gay instead
ok cool.

>>41901180
You realize that your claim about the ISS moving in a straight line working for a globe model, but not in a flat-Earth model, already requires prior knowledge right? Forget the absolute coincidence that would be required for that to happen. We wouldn’t even know what the ISS is. So can you try approaching this from another angle, or are you dying on a hill that breaks the rules of the thought experiment?

>>41901180
I also want to state that it would be just as hard to prove a flat Earth as well. But at the end of the day both sides of the argument relies on prior knowledge, mostly relying on institutional trust.

>>41901205
>You realize that your claim about the ISS moving in a straight line working for a globe model, but not in a flat-Earth model
no shit sherlock - thats the point.
the ISS proves the globe, because it wouldnt work around a pizza.
>already requires prior knowledge right?
no.
>We wouldn’t even know what the ISS is.
it doesnt matter - it can be a huge dildo in orbit - as long as you see its only going straight - it proves the globe.
>it would be just as hard to prove a flat Earth as well.
there is nothing easier that proving flat earth:
>take a boat, go to the edge
there ya go.
>but there is no edge
whoa no way.

https://youtu.be/xPksF_JFNEI?si=XlzFzvKnNg0FnzZG

>>41901218
It would go straight in the FE model too. You’re deliberately ignoring everything else I’ve said because you can’t address it. If you can’t even follow the basic rules of the thought experiment, then don’t participate at all. At this point you’re not debating - you’re lying to yourself. My point has already been made. Anyone watching this can see your mental unraveling and how absurd you look trying to dodge it.

>>41901244
>It would go straight in the FE model too.
no, of course it wouldnt go straight on a FE "model" - and the fact that you cant grasp such a simple concept with your tiny mind is all we need to know about flat earthers.

>MUH THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
i got an experiment for ya.
take a dinner plate, a pizza, or a DVD disk.
take a pencil.
try go only go straight over the DVD disk.
>ok
>i got to the edge of the DVD disk
>now what
you tell me, thats where flatties brains cant compute anymore.

>>41901265
You didn’t answer the thought experiment, you replaced it with a prop and insults. That’s not a rebuttal, it’s avoidance.

Your DVD analogy already assumes a finite physical edge, which is the very thing under dispute. That’s circular reasoning, not an argument. The thought experiment is about a no defined reference frame, not walking a pencil off a household object.

If you can’t operate within the stated rules and need to swap them out for memes and dinner plates, just say so. Otherwise, answer the question directly: without institutional authority, secondhand testimony, or pre-accepted assumptions, how would you prove a globe or flat Earth model?

The irony is you’re accusing others of not being able to “compute,” while being unable to engage with a basic hypothetical without changing it. And what’s even funnier is that I leveled with you and essentially said you can’t, handing you a get out of jail free card. Talk about whoosh.

>>41901281
as we can see on this post here - flatties, as always, never answer any question, they only cry, whine and bitch that nobody wants to jump from subject to subject while never answering anything themselves.

extremely jewish behaviour.

>HEY FLATTIES - MAP
>nuh uh, i want answers to this and this and that and this
>HEY FLATTIES, ISS
>nuh uh do my "thought experiment" and and and this and that and do this
>HEY FLATTIES, DO THIS SIMPLE THING WITH A DVD DISK AND A PENCIL
>nuh uh you are posting insults and and avoiding and and no rebuttal and and
poor, brainrotted flatties.

>>41901293
You still haven’t answered the question.

I already stated that neither model can be conclusively proven without institutional authority or prior assumptions - that was the point of the thought experiment. You ignored that concession, smuggled assumptions back in, and then argued inside them. That’s circular reasoning, not proof. If you can’t distinguish observation from interpretation, this discussion can’t go any further. And I would be saying the same thing to you if you were trying to prove Flat Earth btw.

Cool, you assumed the globe to prove the globe. Great point, you got me.

>>41901281
>flat earth has an ice wall!
>flat earth doesnt have an ice wall!
im confused as to which sect of the flat earth religion i am speaking to right now.

>>41901314
Neither I'm ISS/NASA guy. I am a glober. You're just missing the point but it' all g

>>41901312
guys look! he's crying that nobody is answering his questions!
hahahahahahahaha
>I already stated that neither model can be conclusively proven
of course it can.
and very easily, too.
>you ignored my concession
every single one of your dumbass posts is a concession, lol.

>>41901318
>im a glober
hahahahahahahahaha

>>41901321
You keep saying “of course it can” and “very easily,” yet you still haven’t demonstrated how.

I asked for a method to prove either model without institutional authority or prior assumptions. You ignored that and switched to insults.

Repeating that something is easy isn’t a proof. Until you actually present the method, there’s nothing left to discuss.

>>41901312
your only purpose here in this thread is to anwer our questions, you seem to be extremely confused to your purpose in this thread.
nobody will answer any of your questions until you start answering ours.

>>41901330
>yet you still haven’t demonstrated how.
already did, so many times.
>use the globe map
>it works
>globe proven
>look at the ISS
>it goes straight
>globe proven

>>41901130
>Is there a method to demonstrate a globe Earth that does not rely on institutional authority, secondhand testimony, or pre-accepted assumptions?
measure size of sun throughout day - stays the same
measure speed of sun across sky throughout day - stays the same
this should be enough for anyone not committed to believing in a flat earth

inb4 stupid lying flat earth memes

>>41901338
You’re proving my point for me.

“Use the globe map” and “look at the ISS” already assume the globe model and institutional framing. That’s fine if authority and prior assumptions are allowed - and I’ve never denied the globe works under those conditions.

My point from the beginning was narrower: once you remove institutional authority and pre-accepted assumptions, neither model can be conclusively proven by a single observation like “it goes straight.”

That’s not defending flat Earth. That’s pointing out the epistemic limits of the argument you keep repeating.

If your proof requires a globe map and prior knowledge of what the ISS is, then it’s not first principles proof, it’s trust-based. And that’s okay. Just say that.

>>41901349
Now this is a much better answer.

But, that doesn’t prove what you think it does. Measuring the Sun’s apparent size and how fast it moves across the sky already assumes a particular distance and geometry. Those measurements don’t stand on their own - they only make sense inside a model. A flat model can just as easily say the Sun is far away and moving at a constant speed, just like the globe model does. The observations themselves don’t uniquely point to curvature.

So no, that isn’t proof without assumptions. It’s just an interpretation added on top of observations. Saying “that should be enough” is belief, not demonstration.

>>41901318
>greetings fellow globers

>>41901338
>>look at the ISS
>>it goes straight
to be fair, over the short distance you can see it stood at any one location its going to look like its going straight no matter what, because you're seeing so little of its total path. You'd need to have several observers along a decent % of that path and plot its course, then compare that plot to a flat earthers map (doesn't exist) and a real map (of the globe).

>>41901351
>“Use the globe map” and “look at the ISS” already assume the globe model
nope.
im not a glober, im a forker - i think the earth has the shape of a FORK.
>im assuming its a fork
>i use the globe map
>does it work?
>yes but only if i assume its a globe
>does that map work on a fork-earth?
>no
well then fuck, i guess its not shaped like a fork.

>>41901371
>>41901373
nope, the globe map and the ISS is enough evidence.
the map itself is enough evidence.
you can take a few flatties spread all over the globe and let them look at the ISS - every single one of them will see it go straight - proving the globe.

>>41901371
thats a failing of the flat earth 'model' though, because we know how far away the sun and moon are and yes, you can verify for yourself.

just because the flerfs dont make any actual specific claims on this doesn't mean they get to ignore it.

>>41901378
>nope, the globe map and the ISS is enough evidence.
maybe, but not because its 'going straight'. if you dont want to believe me then go away and look at how much of the ISS track you can see when stood in any one location and compare it to the 360 path it takes. you're seeing so little that you wont possible see a curve of its path in either case. work it out for yourself and perhaps show your workings

>>41901378
>>41901379
You guys remember the thought experiment right?

Now consider this: imagine two people with no prior exposure to modern science - say, members of an isolated Amazonian tribe sitting in a park. Is there a method to demonstrate a globe Earth that does not rely on institutional authority, secondhand testimony, or pre-accepted assumptions?

>>41901384
Globe or flat, doesn't matter which one you choose to attempt to prove*

>>41901383
>>41901384
not "maybe", definitely.
God i love the ISS argument, because it completely fucking ruins everything about flat earth.
>you can easily prove by yourself that its going straight
but in case you dont believe it for some reason:
>go find a few flatties in other countries and just follow the entire ISS path around the globe
>it just keeps on going straight non-stop
oh wow guys, we just proved the globe again.

>>41901384
>let's say we're sitting on a bench at a park. How could one prove the Earth is a globe
EASY!
>look up at night
>see the ISS
>its going straight
>globe proven
there ya go, i just proved the globe while sitting on a bench.

>>41901393
>>41901397
I'm not defending FE or Globe outside of the experiment. My point is the deception is possible and can go deep. My only stance is that NASA is sketch that's it. And >>41901397
made me lol hard xD

>>41901399
>My point is the deception is possible
no, its not.

>>41901411
I simply disagree. That's fine, you can have your opinion I'm not trying to sway it.

>>41901415
you cant actually disagree with this - it is impossible to "fake" a shape of the earth.

we can disagree about a movie or a song, we cant disagree about the shape of the earth because there is 0 doubt that its a globe.

>>41901393
the second one is what i say would work. the first one doesn't. i notice you dont want to actually work it out. how much of the iss total track can you see stood in one location? how many degrees of curve would that part of the track have?

>>41901428
And I assume you believe in Charles Darwin and the THEORY of Evolution? kekw

Actually, there is doubt, because I know you have not went to space and observed Earth yourself. Everything else is just based on prior assumptions. You're being biased, but I understand. I'm not saying we aren't on a globe, I'm just saying it's possible for it to be a lie. 9/11 was a lie. JFK. Elites are pdfs. Wars for money and oil. Evolution birthed by a freemason. NASA freemason/Nazi agency.

With all of these being facts, you don't think you COULD be lied to about the Earth's shape? Maybe hotdog Earth is real. All I'm saying is I personally never saw the Earth as a globe, even though I believe in it, rather just pointing out it's possible to be lied to especially knowing everything else I stated is true.

>>41901446
>Actually, there is doubt
no, there is literally 0 doubt about the shape of this planet.
its not a fork, a disk, a dildo, or a chair.
its a globe.
not only we know 100% that its a globe - we know PRECISELY how big this globe is, and the size and shape of the continents, too.
there is ZERO doubt about any of this.

actually verifying, checking if this is true - is as easy as going on a boat.
the whole "whats the shape of this planet" idiocy is just pure brainrot and people who "doubt" should be gassed.

>>41901459
>the whole "whats the shape of this planet" idiocy is just pure brainrot and people who "doubt" should be gassed.
its called "judaism".
>should be gassed.
already been tried, no harm in trying again.

>>41901459
Clearly ur a shill or a bot my guy lol. I beg to differ and that's that. We won't get anywhere we are just going in circles. Not gonna waste time w/ a potential shill or bot so I'm going to leave it here and let this convo speak for itself.

>>41901470
do you even know what the word "shill" means?
>I beg to differ and that's that.
you cant differ about the shape of the planet, and thats that.
>Not gonna waste time
thats great, fuck off then.

>>41901470
>didnt answer any questions about flat earth
>did some retarded "thought experiment" that didnt even work and proved the globe
>cries victim
>runs away
every.
single.
time.

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>>41901470
>runs away crying after contributing absolutely fucking NOTHING to the subject

>>41900976
Too bad all the maps are flat earth maps and there isn't a single globe map
>>41900991
>Circle grid
That would be the AE map dumbo, you know measuring ANGLES to Polaris-map. Welcome to flat earth. I know your tiny brain cannot comprehend anything further than "muh map" which you can only spam in every thread
>There never was a globe map to begin with. All maps were always flat! Sorry you don't have to like it
>Even Satellite map data you find on Google are all flat maps

>>41868247
Shouldn't we be able to build an anon hq
and a develope a rocket, fuel, and engine.
Basically buy whatever parts and modify or
produce them
We could pay for any machining that needs
done perhaps

>>41901680
>the all maps are flat retard is here
no sweetie.
all maps are maps of the globe, using globe measurements.
>it works
globe proven.
now shoo shoo, run away, grown ups are talking.

>>41888388
FE keep saying "well no one knows for sure" but the GE side is telling you that we pretty much do. There is nothing speculative about the fact that FE has never provided a working map without a circle grid, a working answer for sunsets or a coherent model that they can all agree on. Without stuff like this it's not even speculation on their part, just shitposting.

Genuine question for flat earthers- what are Astromers seeing/ doing? Astrophysics? They aren't just making shit up, they are seeing something, how is that possible if space is fake and gay? In your own words please, no videos. Im not talking about NASA, there is pleanty of people with the above profession's that dont work there. Finally, what is the average joe seeing with his backyard telescope? Why can he corroborate what he sees with other random joes?

We live in a cave realm that's a copy of the realm on the surface which is in a crater on a much much bigger planet. This is why there's some curvature here, but not enough to account for the continents being spread across a globe. Essentially plato's cave is quite literal. We live in a world of the dead that's shielded from the ever harmonizing light of the infinite, which means that the gods here can make their own rules. You don't even know what real life is actually like because we've only known living in this dead realm.

>>41901884
no.
we arent in any idiotic meme crater.
we know precisely how big the globe is, we know precisely how big the continents are and what their shape is.

>>41901898
There's not space above us, just the cave walls. You'd have to leave this realm first before being able to access the infinite cosmos. You have to be low iq nowadays to believe in nasa lol

>>41900990
Umm yeah we are heading toward heat death based off the 2nd law of thermodynamics idk so much about "unlimited energy" you cannot directly demonstrate.
One of them you can measure angles on (flat surface) and the other you can't
(Ball surface)
>>41901778
Astronomy is a pseudoscience not a natural science

>>41901981
Thats fine saying its a pseudoscience, what are they seeing anon?

>>41901957
>There's not space above us
of course there's space above us, why would you ever think otherwise?

>>41901981
>Astronomy is a pseudoscience not a natural science
no, astrology is pseudoscience, astronomy is actual science for non-retards.

>>41901446
>Maybe hotdog Earth is real
it really cant be because such a shape would result in some very strange changes to astronomical observations, observations that anyone can do themselves and which have never ever been reported by anyone, ever. it would have a lot of effects of lots of different things.

>>41902146
>it really cant be because such a shape would result in some very strange changes to astronomical observations
which, btw, also goes with any other shape of the earth that isnt a globe.
>it just doesnt fucking work
god damn the globe just keeps winning.

>>41902163
true

>>41898723
not an argument, not helping yer cause, flerfy

>>41903082
Thanks for bumping a dead thread dumbass <3

>>41903088
flerf shills tell you they are finished posting because you are a bot and yet they love it when you reply.

they are the most disgusting of liars.

>>41902033
>What are they seeing anon?
They're smoking drugs and seeing stuff, can't tell you exactly what.
What they're seeing is nothing we can ever self verify, that's why it isn't science
>>41902139
There's no reason to randomly invoke astrology here. Astronomy and Astrophysics is just as valid as astrology.
You're clearly retarded for thinking astronomy is a natural science, it actually is for retards.

I find the ISS videos very amusing. It is always some low-IQ content aimed at the retarded.
>Oh wow look at how this food behaves (due to augmented reality) before i stuff it into my lying piece of crap mouth

>>41901197
You don't want to know, you know how you avoid it, globe earther. You just gotta walk flat on the ground.

>>41868764
Lemme axe u summin

If you measure a basketball with a really tiny ruler, what would it measure as?

>>41903828
Are you really just hand waving away everything Astromers and Astrophysics are seeing? Its all bullshit, all of it? You cant be serious, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously? Again, honest question. Make your view of my question make sense because currently saying its all drug induced hallucination's is pretty shit. My original questions go out to all the other flat earthers here, defend your stance when it comes to my simple ass questions

>>41888044
> I am honest in terms of perspective and I really analyze both sides of a story.
>well, i hope thats true.
this

>>41877546
Here bro WATCH ALL OF THESE!
Its be cool if it was
Video
-description
In your copy paste YT video link dump

Real question. Please answer.
Why is it when hardline things come up, where its... we'll this exists so it absolutely proves a point. Do people ignore that.
>rockets hitting a firmament
>no stars in pics from space/ISS
>mouse on rocket thruster
>tesla in space
Like. The cars tires in space would catch fire, and explode from vacuume of space.
The paint would peel and burn, etc.
A big one, how did astronauts get to the moon though a death radiation belt, and back, and not die or get cancers?
Stuff like that is hardline, proving things.

Okay, you convince me that no one has been to space, but how can you be sure that space doesn't exist if there are tons of videos of flying machines moving at the speed of light?

>>41909355
thing is buddy, and here's what you wont like....all your points are bullshit. there it is. sorry

>>41869156
have you ever heard of a tangent?

>>41912091
Tangents can only work on a flat earth

ITT: globeoids getting goatse'd hard