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/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, Neetmaster and I did battle to determine why nobody has a good PBZSA competitor. AI op image made the thread move at lightning speed. Anon cancelled his pimp coat order, and Anon wanted side plates.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.155
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = ICW / non-standalone, DND = do not drop / drop protection is sketchy, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80):
Budget: Hesco T212 or L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Used Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^
>Tactical Standalone (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: RMA SUCKS
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI size only!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023
Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)
Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P AP) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P AP?)

Someone post the titty armor, so I can buy it for my non-existent gf. I would load up every molle slot with mag pouches and make her my mag mule.

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>>64826245
Yes captain.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807929117628.html

>>64826250
I could pack at least 20 mags on that bitch.

>>64826256
Z-cup stacked n' saggy magazine droops? Please demonstrate.

Can someone remind me why we don't like RMA over here?

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>>64826221
DM32-UV, sneed or skiid

>>64826757
How new are you? See >>64785677 just for starters.

>>64825971
Most women need bigger tiddies.

>>64826757
1. The new XRT, 1155, and 1165 have an undersized 10x12 and are not actually their stated size unless you buy SAPI M.
2. RMA failed to disclose both the old and new 1165 lacked drop protection until they were pressed on the issue. The new 1165 apparently cannot be dropped at all, since they made Buffman skip all drop testing.
3. RMA continues to advertise PE-impregnated fiberglass as UHMWPE. The XRT and 1155 use fiberglass backers, not PE.
4. The ESRT has a scrubbed Buffman test where it fails against BZ API, an advertised threat. They made him remove the video.
5. They sent Buffman 10oz overweight 1192s and tried to pass it off as a variance. Buffman slipped and said the entire "variance" was from the ceramic manufacturer, so the plates' strike faces were 10oz and 0.2" beefier than normal. In other words, heavily reinforced.
6. RMA failed to disclose a 1" cheat ring on the 1189 from 2013 until 2018. They failed to disclose a 1" ring on the 1199 from at least 2017 to 2018. They then said these were government contract plates, made to gov spec, when there is no apparent contract.
7. RMA cried foul when the 1155 was suspended by the NIJ. They raised multiple theories. An Anon took his out and it failed against two 7.62x51mm Tulammo at 100 meters, all the while RMA said it was a multi-hit Level IV and should be able to stop multiple M2AP - a far harder threat. RMA only recalled six plates, Anon's was not part of the lot. There are apparently other defective 1155s out there per Anon's test.
8. Two Arfcommers in 2013 questioned RMA on the sourcing of materials for the 1145. RMA blew up and tried to sue John Doe 1 and John Doe 2 for defamation. Was dismissed.
9. The XRT nearly blows BFD limit against 7.62x51mm M80.
10. Their pre-2013 plates used imported materials (China...).
11. Their plates now and again show up with torn covers, showing a lack of QC.
12. EVERY single plate of theirs otherwise has a catch, and is inferior to options from other companies.

1st 4 shitty AI op pic.

>>64826775
Solid budget radio.

>>64826757
Internet rage feedback loop. A few years ago RMA was amazing and perfect and Hesco was the worst most unethical company ever and you should never ever buy their plates. Now Hesco is trusted implicitly and RMA is the big evil. All armor companies, especially the ones that sell cheap plates to civilians, are somewhat shady but the minmax autist brigade has to rotate targets periodically or they would run out of people to shit on.

>>64826906
lol, way to out yourself as a redditoid. Just stfu and keep lurking for a while, OR if you're a shill, just gb2r.

>>64826915
Clearly touched a nerve

>>64826906
>A few years ago RMA was amazing and perfect
On reddit, because at the time they had both a full time community rep and Apex Armor rizzing up their products. We've never liked them here ever since the Arfcom blowout in >>64826889. Reddit consistently gets boned by every armor scandal because they don't scrutinize armor effectively.
>and Hesco was the worst most unethical company ever
Only on reddit, and to this day even though most of their plates are superior to RMA counterparts. We've always considered Hesco workable but not top tier. That has been a consistent gq and bag position for years.
>Now Hesco is trusted implicitly
Did you not see the two threads where a holy war was fought against the Hesco 4403 and 4800 because their drop protection is weak and they have virtually no headroom over Level IV spec? We regularly recommend other companies' products if available (Protech 2230 vs 4403) but Hescos are workable.
>All companies are shady or do X
The Buffman defense. No, RMA is far shadier than Hesco. When Hesco got NIJ suspensions, they actually made people whole. There are apparently bad RMAs out there to this day. Highcom is between them. LTC / Tencate are much more reputable.

>minmax autist brigade has to rotate targets periodically or they would run out of people to shit on.
No, just RMA and a few other frequent problem companies.

>>64826915
Yeah he's a redditoid, that's for sure. We don't have RMA shitlisted without good reason. There is no reason to buy any of their plates at this time given the issues they have and have had in the last without rectifying them.
The 1189 and 1199 cheat ring debacles were by themselves ridiculous. The 1192 debacle absurd. The scrubbed ESRT failure? Ridiculous, but that's only a fraction of their chicanery.
Hesco puts out mid products, but at least they're honestly mid, with no major undisclosed catches, and at reasonable prices for most of them, minus 4800 / SC3812 / FXR.

Is there any body armor, rated or not rated, that can take a 50 BMG without killing you while in it?

>>64826951
Oh yeah.
1. A couple of old Ceradyne plates. SARVIP, 80571, and later commercial models. They require standoff and are limited in what threats they can stop.
2. Adept has a Colossus Heavy good for 1x .50 M2AP at just under 2,600ft/s, but it remains experimental.
3. The new Russian BR5+ Granits can stop 1x 12.7x108mm B32 API at 800 meters with acceptable BFS if worn with BR1 soft armor and a CAP panel.
4. Russian FORT allegedly has a BR6 plate good for 3x 12.7x108mm B-32 API at 50 meters, but it is going to be VERY heavy (11lb) if it works.
5. Russian-Chinese Atlant, not to be confused with failure Atlas, also allegedly has a BR6. No test data but keep an eye out for it.
6. Adept's base Colossus stops .50 cal FMJ at 500 meters. BFD unknown but apparently not guaranteed fatal.

Many of the above are hard to source. Some impossible. The Colossus is easy but doesn't really stop .50 cal threats. Most decent Level IV plates can stop .50 ball if you ignore behind armor blunt trauma. A lot of Level III PE plates, even, but the BFS is assuredly dangerous. Even shitty IV plates from no names like Rook, which post ~100mm in a test report. To reduce BABT and give yourself more of a fighting chance, buy CAPs and wear em behind the plates.

What is a good plate carrier that can fit both sapi medium plates and 10x12. I have a JPC 1.0 medium but it's a hit or miss with oversized plates. I was looking at maybe an Crye AVS or LBT 6094 due to being able to find surplus sets. Any recommendations?

>>64827046
Both of those are fine. Look also to Beez for some of their BALCS stuff.
>but it's a hit or miss with oversized plates
Do you mean a 10.3x12.3 like the Gillie 8002 or just exceptionally thick plates in general.

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>rma stan

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Catalyst has Protech X-CAL LPs on sale for $200/set. These are 5.5lb, 0.4" thick SRTs that are good for 7.62x39 BZ API, 5.56 M855, and 7.62x51 M80 when backed by good IIIA. Do not run them standalone. They are also strict no-foam no-drop.
https://www.catalystsurplus.com/product-page/x-cal-lp

>>64827064
Honestly any plate over 1 inch tends to be pushing the JPC 1.0 to it's limits. I know i can work it to make them fit but I feel like that's asking for irregular wear or ripping the material

>>64827253
My TT vest runs out of room with 1.2" Protech 2230s and 0.21" thick Armor Express IIIA panels, so I feel you there. I like mine but it needs jury-rigging to add side plates, deltoids, pimp cape, and CAPs.

>>64827250
>$200/set.
Awesone. But ICW is like eating sunflower seeds in the hull and not already shelled. Just a pain in the ass for low payoff.

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>>64827321
Armor Express IIIA panels for $130 a set, so final price is $330 minus shipping / tax. That's not bad but Catalyst better ship these plates padded.
Baganon uses these plates, but for "do as I say not as I do" technical reasons, probably because they're less-than-overt, put on a good show against street threats, and are decent weight.
I use 2230s, but because I have a different threat profile. Plan is to build out another carrier with 2120-5s for less intense larp once I get MSAPs to fill out my shoulder protectors. Protech is like secret cop-shop Hesco and their plates overall perform very well, but you have to buy used.
I just realized all of the armor autists here use either Militech (Neetmaster) or Protech (myself / Baganon).
The /bag/ old guard dudes ran ridiculous shit. MH3 CQBs, 28595s, and 96034s (pic rel, not mine but I wish).

>>64827321
I'm occasionally stoopid and forgot to link the IIIA panels, my bad.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/227059573828

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>The year is 2035
>One hundred sellers have been contacted. One hundred sellers have failed.
>World War III begins.
>The nukes fly, and so do the red balloons.
>The hunt for the multicam black pimp cloak continues...

>Ninety-nine red balloons
>Floating in the summer sky
>Panic bells, it's red alert
>There's something here from somewhere else
>The war machine springs to life
>Opens up one eager eye
>Focusing it on the sky
>When ninety-nine red balloons go by

We're gonna need more than VS-PBZSAs to survive this boogaloo, gentlemen. Might be time to hit up the VS-TSA, but $3k second hand is... ouch.

>>64827647
The aura of a man standing outside cock out with the frickin Tsar Bomba in the background, no shits given. How tall is that mushroom cloud? Puccians will be here shortly to inform us this was used on that supply dump...

>>64826221
most unhinged op image of all time wtf is this shit is he gooning to a plate during nuclear war

>>64828734
Wouldn't you?

>>64827929
>Puccians will be here shortly to inform us this was used on that supply dump...
I'm sorry to tell you this, but that wasn't a russian. that was an honest to god schizophrenic called MikeeUSA.

>>64828974
I mean at least he's got good taste with those PBZSAs. Better taste than redditors like >>64826757.
>>64829013
Was? What happened to em?

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>>64829077
>What happened to em?
I think he just got tired of it. or maybe something else...

>>64829098
Radiation exposure from Sundial blowing up in >>64827647?

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>>64827765
>Saar do not redeem baloons.

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>>64826775
I just got one, but haven’t played around with it. Seems nice.

Anyone have that screenshot with the RMA employee? Was thinking about it recently for some reason

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>>64829325
Which one?

>>64829312
Clean setup, me likey.

I just discovered the buffman 5.7 videos. Addicting.

>>64829611
Based. 5.7 is growing on me.

>>64829611
>>64829759
I thought we debunked 5.7 last decade? What changed?

>>64829773
I got bored with 9mm and want either a 10 or 5.7.

>>64829774
all I want is a 10mm pcc but there's only shit options

>>64829785
That's based what about a hi point.

10mm doesnt beat real armor u need a1 minimum a2 said so

>>64829794
a2 can't afford .338

>>64829774
Why would 10mm or 5.7 not be boring just like 9mm? Try reading or book or something fuck sakes

>>64829789
like i said, only shit options

>>64829759
I’ve always liked concept but the handgun selection was a bit limited. Granted it’s come leaps and bounds now.
>>64829773
In what way was it debunked? It’s capable of defeating soft armor with enough velocity. It’s a bit limited on penetration but that also makes it pretty fantastic for defense. Personal defense… weapon. Is it going to defeat plates? No. In the small scope it was designed for, seems fantastic.

>>64829797
is he poor?

>>64829840
Probably has a high degree of project creep which limits currently available capital. Just a theory.

>>64829840
he spent all his money on chin implants that all failed

are chest rigs that can attach to plate carriers still shit?

>>64830051
We call them placards and they're the meta

>>64830053
I mean chest rigs you can use independently that you can also attach to a pc

>>64830054
We call them placards and they're the meta

>>64830057
placards don't come with straps to wear without a plate carrier

>>64830059
Defense Mechanisms Placards can be converted with an extra thingy they sell
the placards fit my 308 mags very nicely, but ymmv on the whole build-a-bear placard thing they got going on

>>64830059
all you need is a 4 side loops on your placard, that's really the only difference, just plug it into a harness and attach a back strap for stability and it's a chest rig

>>64829785
>10mm pcc but there's only shit options
The 10mm CMMG Banshee is a shit option? Look again.

>>64827191
the man dipped lol

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>>64829794
10mm dumb as shit regardless.
5.7 is dope
>>64829797
Twelve
Point
Seven
>>64826775
Needs knob protector

>looking through infographics
>20 of them are body armor
JESUS CHRISTMAS

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>>64829343
That’s high praise desu, I’m a product of my time, got in at early GWOT, so I like full soft inserts with plates. Haven’t set up a battle belt yet.

>>64830987
Which 5.7 to get is the question. P90, five-seven, or the cope keltec pr57 assault pistol.
>>64831015
This is what happens with autism

>>64831084
The P(S)90 is awesome and FRT is coming soon. Start here. Pistol would be the SW M&P 57, great features out of the box and feels great. https://www.smith-wesson.com/products/mp-5-7

>>64831015
There's more in the Reserve too.

>>64831114
I’ve been doing my homework. Currently checking out the barrel swap. I don’t enjoy that cmmg barrels are just nitrided now. I haven’t explored cutting the barrel in depth so far but seem to remember it had some shroud fuckery that made just buying a new barrel easier. The og five seven would be nice if the magazine disconnect wasn’t there. Going to have to try one out person before making a decision

>>64831158
I would get the SW and I have 2 nib FiveseveN mags. The FN doesn't have a threaded bbl and the SW comes with factory threading.

>>64831084
>>64831158
P90 basically the only reasonable choice at this time
Unfortunately most 5.7 handguns are shitty, waiting for a glock or HK level of 5.7 handgun now that FN refuses to give us a striker fired 5.7x28 with optics plate and modern rail.

>>64831276
>optics plate
Factory on the SW. Along with Hogue grip panels. 23rnds mag, iirc. It really felt nice.

>>64831259
Very good to know, thanks. We need a threaded barrel for the pr57. Could you imagine how fucked up that barrel would look with the locking protrusions? P90 is very sexy. Interesting to see how to go about reloading 5.7 too. I’m half curious if you could hit the brass with your own dfl spray… obligatory “watching the buffman armor tests with 5.7 is cool too” as to not go too off topic.

>>64831276
>HK
They or Walther have an opportunity to do the funniest shit ever now. Even a fnx in 5.7 would be nice. Or we could make a beretta grip even worse. Another vote for p90.

>>64831290
Yeah the problem is that S&W is a solidly C tier mfg for handguns. Ive never been impressed by anything they have made. Like yeah it beats out a psa or tisas but goddamn not a high bar.
>>64831304
Too bad they are too wrapped in the 4.6 ecosystem to admit that 5.7 probably better

>>64831316
It would be the highest form of German cope imaginable. Slightly less embarrassing than losing some world wars, but it would be pretty funny. Their only other option is a 4.6 five-seven equivalent but the market just isn’t there and it would probably cost 3k.
>s&w
Somewhat agree. M&P with a manual safety is kind of nice. Not my first pick though. My hope is that we at least see more pistols coming out in the round. Not sure the market is there though as it’s already muddied with meme calibers.

>>64831316
>Like yeah it beats out a psa or tisas but goddamn not a high bar.
A more rational comparison would be the KelTec or Ruger 57s.

>>64831316
>Too bad they are too wrapped in the 4.6 ecosystem to admit that 5.7 probably better
There's no "probably" about it. 4.6mm is retarded. Like take everything people shit on 5.7 for, and amplify it x10.

>>64831357
We know keltec is on par with Hk. It’s not even close to the shit Ruger makes.

>>64831418
Nice, entered in my diary. Thx!

>>64829838
>It’s capable of defeating soft armor with enough velocity.
9mm does the same thing with the right loads, ditto for 10mm.
>Is it going to defeat plates? No.
Actually yes. SS190 out of a PS90 defeated an RMA 1003 SRT in a Buff video, although tungsten core 9x19 DM91 will replicate the same feat out of a subgun. The difference is that one can actually get SS190.

Basic 5.7 is nonetheless more penetrative than equivalent 9x19, and 5.7 DOES have a higher "ceiling" for AP capability.

Buffman on reddit:
>If you don’t care about covering M80A1 the XRT is fine. It’s a little stronger than the 1092 G2 but feel the G2 laminated strike face is better for more hits.
Since when did the RMA XRT have trouble with M80A1?

>>64827321
>Just a pain in the ass for low payoff.
Makes sense if you are using them in a full cut carrier that already has soft armor.

>>64832467
That's the idea with SAPI-family plates except the new LSAPI. It's not as efficient as standalone plates because the soft armor is basically delaminated backer, but good if you need to be able to scale protection, hence why ICW plates also show a lot in LE contexts.
If you're guaranteed to be wearing soft armor, why eat the extra areal density of a standalone plate? It'll be tougher, sure, but excessive unless you need to beat edge threats. Example, military soft armor backers are similar to NIJ II or IIA. When IIIA backs an XSAPI in Buff's testing, it stops Swiss P AP in said soft armor, which is somewhat higher than M993 - the XSAPI's actual threat.
"Overbacking" a plate that way is uncharted water but could be useful.

are spiritus plate carriers shit?

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https://store.tactical-performance.com/product/v-006101uc.html
Is this brand good or bad? Do I buy more iX to match my current iX kit or buy u-con? I like both and they both mix well

>>64833320
They're meme-tier. The quality of their stuff is generally okay, but some of their design choices are retarded, the way they market their products is retarded, and they're basically a "premium" airsoft/fashion brand.

Nobody clicks posts with this kind of weird/unhinged OP image.
AI magazine covers rule supreme.

>>64833622
yeah

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>>64833320
Cant say Ive found any problems with a single spiritus product ive ever touched.
Good quality and design overall.

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>>64831854
Buffman's testing contradicts RMA's test report, which claims the XRT stops at least three M80A1 around 2,820ft/s after drop / wet conditioning. His plate #3 fails on shot #1 against M80A1 at 2,820ft/s (I'm taking the lower number here since he uses multiple chronos). Stops shot #2 at 2,812ft/s, then loses against shots #3 and #4. Vastly underperformed the plate in the report.
Buff's plate then stops shot #5 at grossly over-velocity. This indicates Buffman's drop test is not actually that hard and the ceramic is only locally-compromised from prior shots. An RMA stan may argue Buff's plate was 9.75x11.75 with bottom corner cut outs, so it was down on strike face area, but shot #5/#6 being stopped negates that completely. Shot #1 also negates that, since it was fresh post-conditioning. Your ticket already would have been punched by #1 so any stopped hits after that are fundamentally useless unless you're interested in people being able to make use of plates off your dead body. I think that Ukrainian company called Hyperion tried to do that at some point.
>tl;dr
The RMA XRT does not reliably defeat M80A1 even in a highly-publicized test done by RMA's YouTube affiliate. Considering plates sent to Buff overperform what anons have gotten in the past (his 1155s versus that anon's, and his grossly beefed-up 1192s), that is a very bad omen for anyone here running XRTs. Might be why some people are trying to flip theirs on fleabay and tacswap. Curious as to why RMA didn't scrub this test like they did the first ESRT video...
Since the XRT's M80A1 defeat is unreliable and 7.62x54R B-32 API is not a realistic CONUS threat, the XRT provides no usable level of protection above the Hesco 3411 or LTC 19513. It's a meme plate and is actually down on multi-hit against lesser threats versus those two (3x 7.62x51 M80 @2" min. spacing versus 6x). If you have them, highly advised you run some IIIA behind them to shore up protection.

>>64826975
>Adept's base Colossus stops .50 cal FMJ at 500 meters. BFD unknown but apparently not guaranteed fatal.

Tested against m33, not commercial FMJ.

>>64827359
>The /bag/ old guard dudes ran ridiculous shit. MH3 CQBs, 28595s, and 96034s

Wouldn't call myself old guard, but yeah that's me.

I wish all the European AP wasn't absolutely unobtainable. Aside from Swiss p at least. I crave dm31. Probably gonna have to pick up a 338 for my next fix

>>64834354
The legend returns. Thanks for the correction on the Colossus. You wouldn't happen to have that test report, would you? If BFS is under 100mm it might be salvageable with a good CAP.
>Euro AP
I'm under the impression Swiss P isn't really that huge of a jump from M993 (after all, backing a conditioned REV. B XSAPI with shitty Chinese IIIA instead of milspec is enough to catch it at least once). After all, core size is actually smaller. Swiss P just has a longer overall projectile with a lead base, so it's more challenging on the plate backer. I want some .300 DM131 myself for my Savage. Long-core tungsten designs are IMO the future. Stuff like 7N51 will pen basically anything sans the Colossus Heavy.
>DM31
Does that defeat IV / TSA type plates reliably? M995 / RUAG TC seem to struggle unless the plate is boron carbide, then they sweep unless velocity is low.

>>64834088
That's not a Spiritus carrier, though. Their pouches and shit are okay, but their carriers are a problem. These days, even the cheapest Chinesium pouches are usually fine, so there's usually no reason to buy that sort of thing from Spiritus.
Also, I'm convinced that the stupid hypalon shoulder straps on Crye carriers are why SOCOM hates them. Those carriers are pretty much disposable, and the shoulder straps are the first things to go.

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>>64834606
>These days, even the cheapest Chinesium pouches are usually fine
Based nuanced alibabamaxxer. Now if they just had the fucking pimp cloaks in stock...

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I need it...

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>>64834606
>That's not a Spiritus carrier, though.
Astute observation as always anon!
>There is no reason to buy US made anything
Shiggity. Though consider: As GWOT surp of good useful patterns dries up and we move into new ugly OCP surp or exclusively chinkshit the utility of spiritus, crye and similar US mfgs more apparent.
>But the chinkshit is cheap and I dont care
Thats fine, these companies are targeting LE/Mil sales more than civilian sales.
>Hypalon
Yeah.jpg they stretch but you get a really thin setup in your shoulder pocket
>Disposable
Idk about that one, ive been getting dragged around in the same jpc for the better part of almost a decade with no real issues.

>>64834392
was not given a test report for the M33 only for the others I already posted here (Swiss p and 993).

556 AP is honestly probably a fool's errand to increase performance much but just for the novelty frankly.

I wonder if there's any developments on heavier tungsten alloy projectiles. Old SMKH shows that they have potential, i'm guessing just not economical use of strategic tungsten.

I've already got some of that Swiss P338 that Raven Rocks had, but honestly, with how much the rifle is an ammo cost for that, you might as well step it up to 50 BMG, it seems, unless you're really into ELR.

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>>64834685
The mk263 floating around is fun in .50 the buffman test on it is quite impressive.

>>64834642
>we move into new ugly OCP surp
My day has been ruined.
>>64834685
>was not given a test report for the M33
Figures, BFS is probably ugly and it would be two-faced for Adept to sing the praises of very low backface on the Novasteel helmet but then turn around and say "90mm is okay, applied directly to the sternum!"
>556 AP is honestly probably a fool's errand to increase performance
Absolute most you really do is early ESAPI, but it needs to be really moving and you're relying entirely on B4C amorphization. Bad news for anyone using boron carbide plates like the PBZSA, but even the RMA XRT is able to handle 5.56 RUAG TC at around 2,750ft/s.
>I wonder if there's any developments on heavier tungsten alloy projectiles
Those ~300gr DSG XMP 7.62x51 from way back when? Stupidly slow but the core mass and sectional density are unrivaled. Reload that shit into a .300 winmag.
>you might as well step it up to 50 BMG
Basically guarantees all commercially-available body armor defeat if you use AP. Last I checked SARVIPs and 80571s need hella standoff and/or are FMJ only.

>>64834722
I am also 80571 guy. Technically it's not specified on the plate, but did 50BMG have any non-mil manufacturing at that time? Buff tested it on m33 and apit iirc. But only like 75yd. V50 on both.

>>64834849
It was the mid-1990s, so I'd think so. I think his 80571s may have been compromised. Did they have drop foam even?
It seems to be a trend that .50 BMG plates are single strike. Even the Colossus Heavy folds against a second M2AP. Future ones really should be ceramic tile array with a seriously well-adhered backer and a thick trauma pad

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>>64826221
what gear do i need to buy to look like this pax armata loadout

>>64834913
$200 gift card to Aliexpress. Purchase DMGEAR, knockoff LAP panel, ELITE SPANKER pistol / rifle pouches, and Jinwudun helmetto.

>>64834642
>As GWOT surp of good useful patterns dries up and we move into new ugly OCP
Are you a UCP enjoyer or something

Some high roller on Tacswap is selling a pair of medium swimmer LTC 28595s plus 6x6 sides for $2,600. These are single strike B-32 API or 2x 7.62x39mm BZ API. 4.7lb for each swimmer plate. Buff tested to 6x M855A1. Not a bad price actually with sides. Note these are weaker than Level IV and will lose to M2AP.
https://www.tacswap.com/post/6979830fb17a59616f667630

>>64834890
There's a very thin kevlar layer on the front. Probably does more for ceramic retention than drop protection.

>>64834975
Yeah I think that's just a spall shield and/or early form of crack arrestor.

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Vie tactical has some nvgs on sale
>is it worth getting these or the quad variant, if not, what do you recommend that isnt $10k+?
>what is a good bump helmet with nvg mount + ear pro setup that can also use radio to go with it?
Ops core bumps might be within budget, but there headphones are definitely not. I remember peltors being recommended to me before but they have a ton of models

>>64834913
I think they're trying to copy a recent version of the French Felin helmet. Those are VERY hard to find IRL.

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>>64835109
>Vie tactical has some nvgs on sale
Chief these are all digital and will be like looking at the world through a gameboy. Pic rel is their $1.4k digital quad from a review. You can buy new analog from Lindu on Alibaba for significantly less than that.
Unrelated, but the $1k Binock NVG-90 flopped like a motherfucker. Turns out most of the ad material on plebbit has been sneaking using the illuminator and obscuring illumination conditions so the sensor seems to be much more effective than it really is. Go figure.

Rule of thumb. Do not buy digital unless you're completely unable to either save up or you have no access to analog. The tech isn't there and it won't be there for ages. Digital works if you're able to use the illuminator, but you will look like a lighthouse to anybody else with NV - thus defeating the point. Might as well use a flashlight.

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You all need to repent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTh5J0HsIAg

>>64833566
I vaguely recall they supplied uniforms to some FSB units alongside Ops UR-tac carriers, whether you consider that an endorsement or condemnation is down to your own interpretation. Though it obviously has to be noted that if Russia wasn't under heavy sanctions blocking their access to western gear, it would be unlikely their feds would be outsourcing their gear to Filipino and Hong Kong companies.

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Man I found an actual picture of the multicam black pimp cloak and it looks like a fuckin' pillow case with a dead cat on top.
I almost got alibaba'd.

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>>64835829
it's over...

>>64835716
Those are chinese and russian knockoffs of several atacs patterns, primary discontinued atacs fg and also atacs ix. Both of these knockoff patterns have different colours to USA made. There are actually more apparel and gear in knockoff atacs then there is USA made. The only USA/western made suppliers of atacs' new patterns, iX, FG-X and UCON are things like the image I posted and also beez combat systems, some platatac and helikon tex, not much else. Few others maybe

>>64835956
I wasnt talking about atacs/mox in general, I was referring to specifically tactical performance usage by russians. Go through their fb and insta, they're pretty proud of having actual mil customers so they've got albums of their stuff in use.

>>64835956
Ops UR-tac does actually license ATACs I believe. It's on the ATACs website.

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>>64835829
>pillow case with a dead cat on top
I tried to tell you to upgrade the collar with real fur from the thrift store. Meanwhile, discount code.
Rennie faire larpers be getting LAID this VDay!
https://www.darkknightarmoury.com/product/ilmar-medieval-cloak-with-dragon-clasp-red/
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>>64834956
Ranger Green
>>64835109
>If not what that isnt 10k+
Used pvs14
Used Anvis 9
>Earpro
3m rangeguards with gel cups

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>>64836640
>RG
What cloak or cape do you run?

>>64829333
The one where there was an RMA employee posting in these threads talking shit

>>64826221
Regular binos? Looked into the guide and it only had thermals.
What do you like to use when backpacking.
Is the only reason to get a mono over bino because of weight and size?

>>64836863
>use when backpacking.
>Is the only reason to get a mono over bino because of weight and size?
Yes, for me. I have a Leupold and a cheaper chinko, which is fine.

>>64836826
I don't remember that. What was he talking shit about? I could maybe hunt it down in the archives if you remember some pointers.
>>64836863
Sounds like a based infographic idea. Not my department really so I'll let anons play the field. I need a new pair anyway, I got a pair of Barskas (lol) from the thrift for eight bucks and they suck.

>>64836826
Oldfag detected.That was either six years ago or it was a troll attempt from about a year or two back.

>>64837062
Gimme a lore update I missed this

>>64837117
IIRC it was nothing special, just an RMA rep sperging out. The Agilite rep was way funnier, that guy was a real clown

>>64837131
Shorta07 being the RMA rep, I assume?

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What is the cleanest, most "modern" looking battle belt on the market for you ? My current go-to is the HSP one.

>>64834930
so will the lap panel hang right under my chest plate? or will it need a stomach panel?

>>64837566
Depends on the attachment point, but it'll hang with some gap between the bottom of your torso plate and the LAP itself.
Also holy shit we gotta stick to the ai magazine ops the unhinged GOONER vidya ops make this thread slowwww as fukkkk.

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>>64836548
How will a rennie faire coat help a man survive the hood?

Anyone got experience with the Vertx Long Walks? Not enough backpack posting

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>>64838687
>Vertx Long Walks
$110 for a school bag you left at Toys R Us in third grade because the fat ginger bully who got held back three years shook you down for all your Hi-Cs?
No thx i got on alibaba get same thing for $6.99

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how effective is spray painting shit onto nylon/cordura going to work?
I want to turn some of my grey stuff camo and there's lots of stencils for cheap
I have access to a detail airbrush too if acrylic paint would work better
I'm worried in tropical environment the spraypaint would bleed off into my skin?

should I try rit-dye instead?

>>64838687
I'm a bag snob and vertex is worth every penny.

>>64838889
buy an ad

>>64838906
Why buy the cow when the milk is free?

>>64838931
saaaaar cow is not free do not redeem only squeeze the needful

>>64838755
Yes rit dye, you can use rubber bands like they do with tie dye to make a camo pattern. Paint should never be used on clothing, it adds weight, messes with breathability and make more stiff. Not to mention probably makes it more flammable. Paint on gear will always fade and run off. I have some UCP gear I rattled 12 years ago and they basically back to UCP.

>>64838969
You're mad people are talking about gun bag brands in a gear queer thread. The problem is you not us.

>>64838984
buy ad saaar

>>64838980
neat, thanks
I'll try it out on elite spanker crap first before I try to dye my backpack

Are 1/2 pads for balistic helmets enough to protect from backface deformation? standard seems to be 3/4 but 4d pads also come in 1/2 inch.

>>64839155
less bfd is better. There isn't a "cutoff line" like some people think where <44mm is fine but >44mm is bad. The lower you go, the better the odds you'll be able to stay in the fight. Your head is more sensitive to BFD than your torso, so every effort should be made to minimize the numbers.

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>>64839155
Proper helmet fit is more important. Youre probably not getting hit in the head with a 44mag. Even a shitty ukranian helmet taking a 45acp +P at point blank range has trivial bfd. Truly traumatic rounds that 3a ratings will stop like a 12ga will have so much BFD that you will die regardless of pad thickness lmao

>>64839883
Was this off of someone's head or was this a test conducted with a backing medium?
>3a ratings
don't actually exist for helmets. It's all completely made up past II and varies from mfg to mfg. It's like III+ and IV+ for plates, or the infamous V.

>>64838631
Style points.

>>64840056
>erm actually
shut up

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>>64840056
>Was this off of someone's head or was this a test conducted with a backing medium?
Raw helmet on the ground so even this is exaggerated.
>don't actually exist for helmets.
Correct
Believe it or not 44mm bfd unacceptable on the head.