Chopin > all.

While Chopin indeed possessed of a knack for indisputably magical-sounding right-handed tinkling, and while he did indeed compose a number of tolerable (and possibly even beautiful) works, Chopin’s ultra-Romantic sound is almost nauseating under the right (or would they be wrong?) conditions. The bulk of his compositions were made either as teaching devices (he had a number of young, and usually female, pupils) or as salon accompaniments meant to serve as admittedly fitting background to hedonistic bourgeois prancing, dancing and flirting; the small part of Chopin’s catalogue which is preferable to these former pieces still have yet to live this fact down. His works are best suited for those of the male species who enjoy “stopping to smell the flowers,” and for little girls who play MASH all day and incessantly draw pictures of how they think their future weddings will appear.

>>129281162
>His works are best suited for those of the male species who enjoy “stopping to smell the flowers,”
AYO , IS HE CALLIN US GAY!?

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>>129281162
>salon accompaniments
Not to be an elitist, but being part of Parisian salons puts Chopin above all else. He's the composer of the high aristocratic upper class, the Rothschilds, and can be fully grasped only by the highest functioning minds. No other mind is capable of discerninv the individualistic sophisticated genius of Frédéric. "Music" as it is is plebian. But Chopin is reserved for the highbrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5bKJCeInYw

The modern school "Chopin" was dumbed down for the masses, as you can hear.

slop slop slop sahur

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>>129281104
This is unfair. How can a mere human like me deserve to be able to hear "such" an extraordinary creation. Humanity does not deserve Chopin, his music is too complicated and orphic for us inferior peasants to comprehend. We should all fucking kill ourselves for doing basically nothing in front of the great achievements of Chopin. Yes. Everyone on this planet including me should be sterilized cause we are utterly inferior compared to The Great Chopin.

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>>129281162
Cannons buried in flowers

>>129280823
Correct.

>Schumann
>Chopin
>Liszt
>Debussy
Piano music after Beethoven turned into garbage.

best pianist for Da Pussy?

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Decided to get in on this opera business due to recent happenings in this general. Do they usually end with an appeal to become a stoic?

>>129281462
The operaslop listeners don't even read the libretto, let alone watch the play, they have no idea.

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>>129281422
If I could only have one set, I'd go with the Ciccolini one. But you should also try Bavouzet and Michelangeli

>>129281126
I am gay too!

>>129281162
best description of Chopin ever

>>129281462
Plots in art go hand-in-hand with moral lessons, examinations of the human condition, and philosophical thoughts.

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Clementi, on the preferred instrument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVxr6wz5HI&list=PLQlBzP26eyTuoc6zUIMvd5Yae2c_q7Sb-&index=65

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>>129281422
>>129281602
try Kocsis

https://youtu.be/XnKsbXW72-8?si=58nAi9W6HOjXwsiV

https://youtu.be/MSFup1i5BCk?si=yr-uYNTmhpm0XApn

https://youtu.be/QKQKUE3vD1I?si=jKZAiv5AEtodjjyF

>>129281462
That sounds like a direct quote from Seneca

>>129281963
Lorenzo Da Ponte definitely knew his Ancient Roman/Latin philosophy.

>>129281535
>Xslop
people who use modern internet lingo are rightfully ignored here

>>129282059
i share a birthday with da Ponte so I always listen to ones of his 3 Mozart operas during it

>>129282060
True, norseposter is hated here.

>>129282069
Now that's what I call based. The most similar thing I do to that is I make sure and read Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass every July 4th, no matter what I'm doing that day.

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRe8zKg_SAU&list=OLAK5uy_mrYsDK-iimr7zcba1CeKLmwAgVl241vLc&index=2

>>129282118
Bachndel

>>129281104
This but unironically.

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Can someone explain the difference between these guys and that dude in the Mighty Mighty Bosstones who dances the whole time?

>>129281104
>Greatest man who ever was or will be
you're just saying that about anybody now

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now playing

start of Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 3 in A Minor, Op. 56, MWV N 18 "Scottish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQaOWXg-1E&list=OLAK5uy_nsssqQaY08dPxK3RoLU3e8TaJ59CXVGjs&index=25

start of Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 4 In A Major, Op. 90, MWV N 16 - "Italian"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kGEoQN9YI&list=OLAK5uy_nsssqQaY08dPxK3RoLU3e8TaJ59CXVGjs&index=29

start of Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 5 in D minor, Op. 107, MWV N15 - "Reformation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOW1gSoMAVs&list=OLAK5uy_nsssqQaY08dPxK3RoLU3e8TaJ59CXVGjs&index=32

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsssqQaY08dPxK3RoLU3e8TaJ59CXVGjs

Brian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-7KQUwe2I

>>129281162
What is your point?

>>129282205
By the time your hear the sound from across the other side of the orchestra you're already too late. Conductor is archaic click track.

>>129282205
Kinda like how a lead guitarist does more than just play their own instrument and sing, they also direct.

>A Quiet Place is a 1983 American opera with music by Leonard Bernstein and a libretto by Stephen Wadsworth. It is a sequel to Bernstein's 1951 opera Trouble in Tahiti.

>In its original form, A Quiet Place was in one act. Bernstein spoke of it as having a Mahlerian four-section structure.[1]

>Underlying it all is an orchestral fabric in a wide variety of styles that is of truly symphonic density – the opposite of Trouble in Tahiti. Bernstein compared the four-part shape of the opera to a Mahler symphony in an interview with a Houston critic last week. "The opening scene is huge and explosive. The second is elegiac. The third is a playful scherzo", he said. And the last scene is "one of those adagios", referring to the grave and noble slow movements that conclude works like the Mahler Third and Ninth symphonies. "If the opera is saying anything", he said, "it is saying that anything in life is hard to achieve." Then he added, "including this opera".

>After being panned by critics – "to call the result a pretentious failure is putting it kindly"[2] – Bernstein and Wadsworth withdrew the opera and revised it.

kek. anyone listen to Bernstein's operas?

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For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Cherubini's Medea conducted by Lamberto Gardelli.

sinfonia intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZ_zssQKcI&list=OLAK5uy_lu0JHagQLMGAPub5P6XmqVAMzPr_YIsQE&index=2

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHvyIqKs3a0&list=OLAK5uy_lu0JHagQLMGAPub5P6XmqVAMzPr_YIsQE&index=3

>>129283179
no. I don't listen to garbage.

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violin concerto rankings

brahms > tchaikovsky > beethoven > elgar > mendelssohn > dvorak > berg > prokofiev > stravinsky > shostakovich > bartok > britten > sibelius > khachaturian > bruch > barber > schumann > glazunov > saint-saens

>>129275876
why do you dumb posers even come here?

if you don't like Brahms 2, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bJGMNbVaeo

>>129283696
Award for most boring symphony of all time. His first symphony might have flaws but at least it's exciting.

>>129283888
It's his pastorale, it's meant to be chill and beautiful

>>129284005
And that's why Brahms should never have written it, because Brahms can't compose pleasantly uneventful music. You just know he threw himself into 'studying' pleasant pastoral music before composing it and it shows.

I love Schoenberg's piano concerto so much

>>129283888
You just haven't heard a good performance. Which is fair, the majority of Brahms 2 performances ARE boring as fuck.

>>129284441
okay, what is the least boring Brahms 2 performance?

>>129284457
https://youtu.be/nOetfUbbN1I

>>129284441
what do you think of Abbado's?

I almost got fooled into listening to a recording conducted by Roberto Abbado because I thought it was Claudio

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>>129284771
>Roberto Abbado

>>129284693
Doesn't do much for me.

>>129284846
and Edward Gardner's New one?

>These qualities contribute to a compelling account of the second symphony. Despite Brahms’s November 1877 note to his publisher describing the work as ‘so melancholic that you will not be able to bear it. I have never written anything so sad and dark-toned…’ most conductors, Gardner included, interpret it as the sunniest, most pastoral of the four symphonies.

hehe brahms btfo

>>129284441
what do you think of Bruno Walter's (Columbia Symphony) recording?
also Jochum?

>>129284873
Also not a fan. The engineering on those recordings sounds pretty awful too, emphasizing the strings and horns way too much while diminishing everything else.
>>129284908
>what do you think of Bruno Walter's (Columbia Symphony) recording?
I like his earlier NY recording in mono. His later stereo one is not as good, but also not bad either. It's just a little too relaxed, like all of Walter's recordings after he had his heart attack.
>also Jochum?
Both his mono and stereo ones are pretty good.

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Renaissance polyphony was nothing but a gateway for Palestrina, who was nothing but a gateway for Bach, who was nothing but a gateway for Haydn, who was nothing but a gateway for Beethoven, who was nothing but a gateway for Liszt, who was nothing but a gateway for Wagner.

It all led to Wagner.
W.

>>129285084
I'm listening to Knappertbusch's Parsifal right now :)

>>129285108
for me, it's Kubelik

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>>129285084
>Beethoven, who was nothing but a gateway for Liszt,

>>129285149
>Beethoven is the cutoff line for a pleb
Many such cases!

>>129285160
Liszt is a joke and Wagner killed music.

>>129285160
Haydn is a joke and Beethoven killed music.

>>129285179
Why did you just reply to yourself, lass?

>>129285160
>>129285084
>>129284897
>>129282326
>>129284182
thanks for your mindbogglingly imbecilic inputs metalslopper

nobody but dumb audiences killed music

best Brahms Piano concertos?
thoughts on Gilels/Jochum?

>>129285215
>dumb audiences killed music
True, its why Wagner became famous instead of good music.

>>129285355
>t. dumb audience

>>129285464
This

>>129285464
thank you wagnersister

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fuggner.

:DD

>>129285515
:DD

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>>129285598
now blaying Bardog's zegond biano gonjerdo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IV0889PenQ

:-DDD

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>>129281104
here's a photo of him in his later years

>>129285619
lisztening to dante sonada :DDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60pVPNG3X0

>>129285640
speaking of which, any man who says semen retention doesn't work is a coping degenerate.

>>129285655
Your comment is ambiguous. Work for what?

>>129285669
wizard powers. iykyk.

Wagner is progress.

>>129285683
So you're just a dumb social media doomscrolling zombie, understood.

Wagner told Nietzsche to stop wanking.

>>129285700
cope.

Pooh Shiestykovich

>>129285705
And today more people remember Nietzsche the wanker than Wagner the non-wanker.

>>129285708
>>129285700

>>129285725
if you've never made it past the 3-week mark you have never truly lived.

>>129285733
I don't think you're alive at all.

>>129285710
To the discredit of Nietzsche.

>>129285246
>thoughts on Gilels/Jochum?
That's one of the very best ones, yeah. At least couldn't pick a better place to start.

So I read the libretto of the first Act of Parsifal before I fell asleep last night while listening to it, and I gotta say, I know this probably sounds stupid and uninformed -- because it is and I am -- but the poetry is a lot better than I thought it'd be.

>>129286219
As fun as it is to be teasing and satirical about Wagner's grandiosity, he had a serious and singular artistic vision that he manifested with real craft.

>>129286219
Parsifal is basically a religious ritual. if it's putting you into a coma that means it's working.

>>129286219
Damn, your parents must be proud to have such a prancing sissy boy.

>>129285246
The usual recommendations here for that (at least for starting out) is

if you want fast, Szell/Fleisher or Szell/Serkin
if you want middleground, Gilels/Jochum
if you want slow, Arrau/Giulini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AhaMRXuV4

>>129286251
Sadly, I'm not one of those anons who gets so excited and tantalized by listening to music that it keeps me up.

>>129286219
Fagnarian sleepy lullabies strikes again.

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Godowsky's sonata from a literally who. Technique isn't as smooth as Hamelin (obviously), but also the tempo taken for the last movement is awful, way too fast, reminds me of how Hamelin rushes Alkan's march. Overall not worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72rJR45KhHE

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I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she replied,
>ARRAUW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY4wEBbn2Bk

>>129286266
Parsifal is easily his most boring opera. you should have started with Siegfried, the Meistersinger, or Rienzi. anything but Parsifal!

>>129286284
Oh, you misunderstand me. I genuinely meant I can fall asleep listening to whatever. Bach's Goldberg Variations, Chopin's Nocturnes, Bruckner's symphonies, Handel's Messiah, the operas of Wagner and Debussy. I just meant my falling asleep has no bearing on how exciting or dull the music is (though the temperament of Parsifal is a bonus).

>>129286284
>siegfried
>some guy having a shakespearean monologue for hours
>not good for sleep

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>>129285699

>>129286270
>>129286253
I'd use Alkan and Midtner for sleep but I'm afraid I wouldn't wake up again.

>>129286303
>French

opinion discarded.

>>129286306
Music so sublime that it kills the stupid and ignorant, based.

>>129286284
>Rienzi
Are you guys sure this is a real opera and not just an overture? I tried searching on Amazon for recordings and barely anything came up, much less anyone I recognized.

>>129286303
>French

opinion regarded.

>>129286321
it's literally a five-hour opera.

>>129286253
they're cool with me being a NEET so long as I have smart hobbies, so they can delude themselves into thinking my time just hasn't come yet and I still have untapped potential

>>129286342
Yes but if Karajan or Solti didn't record something, does it really exist? Ponder that, friend.

>>129286343
>so long as I have smart hobbies
Damn, better drop the Wagner and operaslop ASAP then.

>>129286343
kill yourself.

can you really use the word 'slop' if you listen to and like Alkan? he is the epitome of virtuososlop. it'd be like using the word slop if you listen to and enjoy Langgaard

>>129286369
>virtuososlop
Never insult the Hammerklavier sonata like that again, plebeian.

>>129286369
Hecturd is known for his unusual opinions and tastes

>>129286303
But the orchestration and harmony of all of Debussy's music depends on the innovations of Liszt and Wagner.

>>129286402
You mean the orchestration and harmony of all of Fagner's music depends on the innovations of Liszt and Berlioz.

>>129286402
indeed. refer to: >>129286313

speaking of opera, rec for recording of John Adams' Nixon in China?

>>129286427
never post here again.

gonna timetravel to the past and make Debussy compose a symphony at gunpoint

>>129286303
>Although Debussy was in no doubt of Wagner's stature, he was only briefly influenced by him in his compositions, after La damoiselle élue and the Cinq poèmes de Baudelaire (both begun in 1887). According to Pierre Louÿs, Debussy "did not see 'what anyone can do beyond Tristan'," although he admitted that it was sometimes difficult to avoid "the ghost of old Klingsor, alias Richard Wagner, appearing at the turning of a bar".
Debussy found Wagner’s influence so magnetic that he made an active conscious attempt to avoid it. That’s more than can be said for any composer regarding Brahms.

>>129286427
never stop posting on this general

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>>129286436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G72JjpMEdKs

>>129286369
Correct.

>>129286446
>he made an active conscious attempt to avoid it.
Just as we all should make active conscious attempts to avoid listening to Wagner's sleep inducing lullabies in general.

>>129286444
and tell him to write it in red on a wall.

>>129286464
Correct.

John Adams - Violin Concerto (1993)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZNbNURtgpc

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>Peter Griiiiimes... Peter Griiiimes... Peter Griiiiimes....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGC7Q3nkqs&list=OLAK5uy_npRGJuzoqTTcq81cBtM42ud_dvqXgsgjc&index=3

>tfw no Ravel violin concerto
:/

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now playing

Schumann: Phantasie in C Major, Op. 131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEsuPFZw4OU&list=OLAK5uy_nkwSOcYzKUQbwYzTgjJd90nN3aoZiATo0&index=2

start of Mendelssohn: Violinkonzert e-Moll, Op. 64, MWV O14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIgPwLTKrg&list=OLAK5uy_nkwSOcYzKUQbwYzTgjJd90nN3aoZiATo0&index=3

start of Schumann: Violin Concerto in D Minor, WoO 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agVua5YJ1hM&list=OLAK5uy_nkwSOcYzKUQbwYzTgjJd90nN3aoZiATo0&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nkwSOcYzKUQbwYzTgjJd90nN3aoZiATo0

Tetzlaff and Paavo Jarvi? Can't go wrong.

>One of Schumanns last significant compositions, the long-lost Violin Concerto saw its première performance only in 1937, and was hailed by Yehudi Menuhin as the historically missing link of the violin literature.
huh, I didn't know that about the piece

How many ballet compositions are there? Seems like a limited genre in terms of repertoire. Or am I the one unaware?

>>129286598
Why would you consume ballet? You a faggot or smth?

>>129286633
Stuff like Tchaikovsky's and Stravinsky's and Glazunov's ballets are bomb. I don't watch the dancing.

>>129286598
Ravel, Prokofiev, etc the list goes on....

>>129286641
I guess my point is for it to be an established, distinct thing, there must be tons and tons of compositions, no? Like opera or masses. Yet there seems to only be a handful from the standard repertoire composers. Is there ballet that isn't classical, is that why? Surely they aren't just performing the same ten works over and over, ya feel?

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>>129286640
>bomb

>>129286655
can you stop trolling this general, please and thank you

>>129286655
Thank you for the cliquespam.

>>129286641
Not beating the faggot allegations so far

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I freakin love classical music so much!

>>129286675
Thank you for the cliquespam.

>>129286655
>>129286675
Is this the one known as “trannypopper”?

>>129286701
Correct.

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Bored so I'm gonna finally listen through Gielen's Mahler cycle.

1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhZTUmiRgA&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=2

2nd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_U6JOpi6_k&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=6

3rd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhW_gAS550A&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=10

I still have Inbal's cycle to try too, which I'm surprised I've never done given how extraordinary his 10th is.

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>tfw no Vilde Frang gf
why live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIDjbFhvF5Y

>>129286863
Thanks simp.

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let's get HIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4iSmbYhYbY&list=OLAK5uy_lGfS0Xe4QVjoh9PaUzIxkz7fOFnipyGzY&index=1

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>>129286303
>>129286402
Wagner and Liszt *literally* owe everything to Chopin (harmony, expression) and Berlioz (orchestration, programmatic music). And Debussy specifically is the direct continuation of Chopin's harmony.
It's better to remain silent when you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>129286890
pls no

>>129286701
>>129286710
>>129286663
>>129286655
>>129286318
return to >>>/metal/

>>129286946
I've heard it's actually quite good.

>Gardiner’s electrifying account of Missa Solemnis is an intensely dramatic experience which will probably leave you drained. His reading is full of revolutionary zeal, a characteristic that often informs his recordings of the Beethoven symphonies. It seems to me that Suzuki doesn’t seek to offer quite such an intense vision. Perhaps he aims to emphasise the humanity in the music rather more than the quasi-operatic drama. He most certainly doesn’t downplay the fervour and drama in Beethoven’s visionary, uncompromising score but his conducting operates at a slightly lower temperature. Some may well find Gardiner’s way with the music just a bit too intense in which case Suzuki may be a preferable option. I think it would be impertinent to suggest – or even imply – that one version is in some way better than the other. I responded very positively to Gardiner’s recording when I first heard it and revisiting it now for these comparisons I’ve found my appetite undiminished. However, I’ve come to admire the Suzuki version very much as I’ve come to know it and I can well imagine that on some days, depending on my mood, I’ll prefer to be stirred by it rather than shaken and stirred by Gardiner. Both are terrific versions of this challenging masterpiece.

I was going to try Suzuki's considering how wonderful his Brahms Requiem is, but then coming across this paragraph in a review made me think I ought to try Gardiner's first.

>>129286343
>>129286219
>>129286350
>>129286427
>>129286662
time to go back to >>>/metal/ insanely imbecilic metalslopper

>>129286956
>>129286965
guys, c'mon, can we not

>>129286973
its all the falseflag schizo samefagging chopin hating metalslopper, he even pretends to make pro chopin posts >>129286942 to mock me in his imbecilic musically illiterate posts. he doesn't read harmony like me, he doesn't listen to cortot, he doesn't even know about horizontal music. garbage poster.

>>129286973
>guys
It's the /metal/slopper spamming and replying randomly, you ought to know by now.

>>129286996
thank you falseflag schizo metalslopper, perhaps you should return to >>>/metal/?

>>129286973
Its all actually me, yeah you heard that right, king of the general baby. Praise Chopin and fuck classical form.

Just another baby metal boy tantrum

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This is what classical music would sound like in 2026.
https://youtu.be/U1sffNdzjPU

>>129286965
>>129286992
>>129287011
return to >>>/metal/ subhuman

>>129287070
>>129287025
>>129287023
>>129286996
thanks for self-flagging your posts /metal/ imbecile

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Britten's Peter Grimes conducted by Bernard Haitink.

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj9bFIX3Fk&list=OLAK5uy_mcNLH7cTaBpcsa5e_9grn1WvUw3tiMrXM&index=22

one of the famous orchestral interludes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLDMTZeO-1c&list=OLAK5uy_mcNLH7cTaBpcsa5e_9grn1WvUw3tiMrXM&index=30

>"This is an inspired performance in a superbly lifelike recording. Haitink uncovers the raw nerve-ends of the music, its astonishing and ongoing vigour shading into violence, while giving full measure to its lyrical poetry."

>The coast of Benjamin Britten's native Suffolk was close to his heart, and he chose a narrative poem by the Aldeburgh-born George Crabbe as the basis for his first major opera, Peter Grimes, premiered in 1945. Grimes, a fisherman and an outsider in his community, is first seen at the inquest for his apprentice, who died during a storm at sea. The action consistently pits the suspicious local people against Grimes, and one of his few allies is the schoolmistress Ellen Orford. She hopes to marry Grimes and give him a happier life, but when she discovers a bruise on his new apprentice's neck, he strikes her. The boy then dies in an accident, driving the villagers to a frenzy and tipping Grimes over into madness. He takes his boat out to sea and sinks with it. Among the score's many powerful moments are: Peter's visionary monologue `Now the Great Bear and the Pleiades'; his surprisingly tender "In dreams I've built some kindlier home' and his bleak mad scene, accompanied only by the baying offstage chorus and the sound of a foghorn; Ellen's lovely, but foreboding `Embroidery' aria, and the atmospheric orchestral interludes, well known as a separate orchestral suite.

>>129287076
thanks for your tantrum, now return to >>>/metal/

>>129287094
thanks for the falseflag schizophrenia and imbecilic projection metalslopper

>>129287100
thanks for your tantrum now take it over to >>>/metal/

>>129287103
>>129287100
>>129287094
thank you samefagging metalslopper schizo

>>129287110
thanks for flooding the thread now take it to >>>/metal/

Bortkiewicz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ughbTI8cOlo

"Democritus Laughing" opens with a four-measure that accelerates by gaining an extra note each measure in a horizontal 4:5:6:7 ratio, for a total of 22 notes. The 22 pitches played by the opening guitar were generated aleatorically by rolling a 24-sided die; the three other guitars play serial transformations of that pitch material. When the drums enter, the tempo ratio becomes vertical and the four guitars trade tempos in that 4:5:6:7 ratio every time the opening theme recurs.

>>129287121
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>129287119
>Bortkiewicz
Listening!

>>129287114
ironic post metalslopper now take the projection to >>>/metal/

>>129287144
take your spamming over at >>>/metal/

What classical music would u choose to be played at your own funeral?

>>129287159
Chopin, that way they know even in death I wish to fill their ears with nothing but garbage.

>>129287167
return to >>>/metal/

>>129287179
>>129287177
time to go back to >>>/metal/ insanely imbecilic metalslopper

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No, your "western canon" composers are not "objectively" supreme. Yes, we Chopincels know that.
If anything, Scriabin is the top sonata composer, he's just from a different universe entirely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzvc3Cl6xE

Beethoven could never compose work of this level, not even Bach's entire lineage could. Stop being a mindless sheep and become an individual (I guess that's impossible, you were born an NPC).

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>Alkan is a genius!

>>129287186
return to >>>/metal/

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Chopin stands above all and Liszt is trash. Yes, we Chopincels know that.

Wagner... come back to me!

>>129287159
Bach Mass in B minor, Berlioz Requiem, Faure Requiem, Brahms Requiem.

Maybe Bach's Cello Suites.

>>129287159
Siegfried's Funeral March.

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The truth is somewhere in the middle, as always. Some retard(who is in the room with us) will shit his pants at smallest details, some other will slop up the first youtube result.
I guess I meant to say that it doesn't matter between Ashkenazy and Muti, they are both good. We should be discussing music more than recordings. Like, have you tried analyzing form? It doesn't have to be lengthy and tedious, but it would be more interesting than "whose performance is better".
Yes, we Chopincels know that.

>>129287375
How about Dvoraks requiem?

I don't know much about classical music but I am trying to write something with Spitfire's Symphony VST. Just piecing together some ideas and trying to avoid block chords for now. I am curious as to how this sounds so far to your trained ears?

https://voca.ro/1dcqNsIleAdX

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Wagner has become my only relief in this world. His music speaks to me in ways that I can't even describe. I feel soothed and sated, all my agony and disturbance is emptied in a blank canvas that Wagner created, like a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders to let him know that the world hadn't ended.

https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=rCiBFCBupRbmLKUj&t=396

Do you ever listen to piece and enjoy it, but at the same time you think "When is this going to end?"?
Because I have this problem with Nielsen's symphonies. For example, in his 4th symphony, three out of four movements last around nine to ten minutes or a bit more and I can't help but think that one could cut those in half and not miss a lot for the overall piece.

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Digging around through Milne's catelog, now listening to his Busoni Fantasia contrappuntistica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWKi0WRCTY&list=OLAK5uy_llUS_G0lmSsr0ul3ZpXUmqfHWvQKB-KFM&index=5

>>129287517
>When is this going to end?
Me whenever I hear a romanticlown symphony or Fagnarian opera start the gradual horn farting in the efforts to produce a sense of grandeur.

>>129287502
Anon nice
From the first section I get kind of a batman vibe, in a good way its brooding
I would say the basses could take over the focus/melody more often, you will find that it will create opportunists for a sensation of re-entry of upper voices which will drive things along effectively

>>129287547
*opportunities

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Did insomnia also make you listen to old shitty recordings?
Yes, we Chopincels know that.

>>129287483
Another good choice, though I'd probably opt for his masterpiece Stabat Mater.

>>129287517
Of course. Just because a piece is great doesn't mean it's perfect.

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>>129287951
In order of how much I like them:

8 > 2 = 4 (pretend theres a really tiny arrow here) 3 > 6 = 7 > 5 > 1

I have complicated feelings on 9, I like it overall but I cant really fit it with any of the other ones. I like everything Mahler wrote, though.

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>>129281104
I like this and the Rubinstein Nocturnes. Am I a pleb?

>>129288048
Gould is a foundational member of our general and the most respected performer of all. You are purely patrician.

>>129288058
This is my first time here, so this reads like you're trolling.

>>129288091
We do not troll, mock, or act in bad faith here. Gould is a legend that we all deeply respect on a non-ironic scale. His articulation is second to none, and his insights into the reality of the recording era are self-evidently true. Beyond all that, he was also a manic on the road, and we appreciate speed here as Futurism is our guiding philosophy.

>>129288048
What manner of ridiculous faggot tries to act like a serious mastermind by trying to steal a music master's work and sell it as their own genius? What type of deceitful swine does this? Write your own stuff usurper.

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>>129281462
Moravec and Samson Francois, of course you can't go wrong with Gens and Richter

>>129281403
No it got better, Beethoven made shit piano music for the most part.

Debussy and Late Liszt are only good ones on that list as Chopin and Schumann are neurotics

>>129288148
Thank you gimmick poster.

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>>129285084
Franco-Flemish bros, our response?

>>129288148
Liszt's music is the definition of pretension: assuming they have more worth than they actually have.

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>>129286303
I kneel, Even Debussy knew Wagner was too great of a figure to follow. This is why the French genius was compatible with the Wagnerian ideal, they sought to carve out already trodden paths, but look beyond and rise above the shadow that is Wagner.

>>129288131
>a music master's work
>deceitful swine
>usurper.
Bit strange to attempt an aristocratic larp right after you dropped "ridiculous faggot", lass.

IQ and Gould appreciation follow each other 1-to-1 in which more appreciation is linked to higher intelligence. They are even contemplating getting rid of the SAT and replacing it with a device that tracks your dopamine levels while his GBV is played on speakers.

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>>129288157
>>129288177
Thank you neurotics, I hope you didn't have an existential panic from the 9-5's this week did we? Chopin will you help you dilate your emotions and I would also recommend a Mozart butt plug to help get ready for the next week.

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Has there been a more perfect cover showing what the piece is all about?

https://open.spotify.com/album/3lNs2UnRog90lU3dusjkWK


>>129281104
Is Chopinposter a new addition to this general shizo department?

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>>129287200
Scriabins 48 is the greatest 48 since Bach's and is better than Chopin's 24 and I'm tired of pretending its not.

1. Bach 48x2
2. Scriabin's 48
3. Debussy's 24
4. Scarlatti's 555
5. Ravel/Chabrier

>>129288244
>Is Chopinposter a new addition to this general shizo department?
No, thats just norseposter also known as "rachanon", aka the guy spamming the general with copy paste replies about "metalslopper". He came here from /metal/ in late 2024 and spent the majority of his time also having spam wars with the sisterposter who used to call him indian child.

>>129288257
>Scriabins 48
????

>>129288131
It's called sovl

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>>129288363
Scriabin's preludes Op. 2 to 17

>>129288257
Then why are Scalatti's 500 sonatas there? Are you counting Bach's preludes AND fugues, or what? What logic is going on with this list?

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Igor Levit 's Beethoven cycle, starting off with Waldstein and Appassionata. Just off the small amount I've listened to the recording quality its a bit reverb-y, some of the highs are shrill, the low end is bretty clear (the reverb isn't bad in that regard), and honestly in some ways the reverb can sound more natural than without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHaVVx-DyX0&list=PL1IXBSY4jc2tE5w8zZ_Pwf10vO3a5zuCT&index=69

>>129288048
Only if you don't like anything else.

>>129288014
Who the hell has mahler 8 as their favorite

>>129289193
Mahler

>>129289193
I do too.

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>>129289055
I'm calculating and ranking keyboard composers by their best works, with Bach's WTC being the best, Scriabin's preludes being his best and tied with his sonatas. Scarlatti was only a sonata composer which is why I used the 555, and Ravel/Chabrier wrote French miniatures and suites so I couldn't just use one type of musical form to summarize their oeuvre.

I'm retarded and schizophrenic so bear with me

>>129289140
I like plenty of other solo piano/harpsichord compilations but those 2 are my favorite.

>>129289347
Incomprehensibly stupid. Explains the fr*gs and j*ks.

>>129288270
Thank you, that was a very throughout explanation.

By the way, here's how (and why) to listen to Steve Reich: Music for 18 Musicians. First listen to it a few times so you are familiar with the structure. It seems simple and it is - it kind of shows you what melody is composed of. The slow process of creation. After you think you're done, listen to it alongside some other piece. Music for 18 Musicians is very stable and feels like a separate line regardless of anything else. As you listen focus on trying to switch between focusing on one or another or both.

I'm listening to Stravinsky Violin Concerto this way right now. Which is the best Violin Concerto ever written >>129283548

After a while switching between either becomes if not natural, than quite achievable. Finally you can move to listening a more complex melody as a second one developing an ear differentiating groups of sounds. Another way to do it is to try to focus on one instrument within an orchestra. Try listening to violins only or just the bassline, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6K53W_Nu0

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>>129289382
>listen to Steve Reich
Post immediately hidden and left unread.

>>129289376
I know, but you are posting here so that makes you a double retard.

>>129289382
>talking about Steve Reich and neoclassical Stravinsky in the same sentence.
CLT is that you?

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What do we think of this distinguished young gentleman? His piano quartet is pretty good so far and his b-flat symphony is great French homage to Wagnerian chromaticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsnUIIS64ls&list=RDRsnUIIS64ls&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsrypUDnlcw&list=RDgsrypUDnlcw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLb8AYsZ5_I&list=RDmLb8AYsZ5_I&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6D8go8M2X8&list=RDJ6D8go8M2X8&start_radio=1

>>129289382
Reich is shit

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>>129289999

Anyone knows chamber works similar to Gaubert's Three Watercolors?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgbsuV9Wt_g
I like how dreamy it is.

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Some niggaz packing Colt 45's, but me? I pack a Bach 48.

>>129285246
I only really have strong opinions on 2, and my favorites are:
Richter/Rowicki (live, on INA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ivLHGPTqM&list=OLAK5uy_kOFtb9JoLTKug7Wv327Ek5gmJh5Oe33Sg&index=8
Fischer/Furtwangler
Zhukov/Rozzy

If you're a fan of Richter's Chicago performance, that live one really needs to be heard. It makes his Chicago one sound very tame by comparison.

>>129288014
That's an unacceptable ranking.

9 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1

>>129289382
You're replying to a /metal/slopper who's actual schizophrenic and is the one spamming these threads.
Chopinposting is nothing new here.

>>129285246
as for 2, my favorite is Zimerman with Bernstein

>>129290328
Then why is that you have this exact same pattern of spam and using the same keywords like "imbecilic" on /metal/?

https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122425389/#122428418

Looks sort of like you have a problem with spamming threads.

>>129285246
>>129290343
Zimerman/Bernstein and Chailly/Freire are pretty good for 2nd. But Richter is the best.

>>129290347
time to go back to /metal/

>>129287159
Bruckner 8 adagio

>>129290363
Yes, we have been waiting for you to go back to your home general, Chopindian spammer.

Happy birthday Schubert

>>129287547
Thanks for the tips. I've only put the celli to work so far. I am also working on this strange piece called 'Hiram's Last Waltz'. I am trying to incorporate some gay freemason symbolism too: https://vocaroo.com/1AWKhbBL0VRP

>>129290375
time to head back to >>>/metal/

>>129290422
Thank you my fellow metal enthusiast

https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124746898/#q124750222

>>129290503
Lol nice find. I have no idea why Norseposter decided to die on the hill of calling someone else a /metal/ browser. Guy has no forethought at all, as he doesn't have a literal endless embarrassing history of posts to pull from.

I didn't even realize how hard he was spamming Scriabin here because of me until I looked at the archives and saw this:

https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124786759/#q124795857

Basically a retarded ESL half rate version of my own posts at the time, lmao.

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>Listening to comfy BABIAA approved music
>German Baroque like Schutz, Buxtehude, and Bach, La belle epoque Franco/Russian music like Chabrier, Chausson, Scriabin, and Borodin
>sunny day in the worst state of the USA, but could be worse
>Enjoying Europhile games like Expedition 33 and Lies of P
>gonna get some wine later while I go for a walk
The Meds know how to do it classicalbros, what you guys got going on today?

>>129290561
Listening to Cortot's Chopin '27
Spamming my favorite general on 4chan.org
Buying a new dress
Painting my nails
Finishing up the day with some Maria Callas operas after installing a chastity cage

>>129290503
>>129290554
time to go back to /metal/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9DOcoqD0g&pp=ygUgZGF2ZSBtdXN0YWluZSBzeW1waG9ueSBvcmNoZXN0cmE%3D
Metal is modern classical whether you nerds like it or nor.

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>>129290589
Chopin got a good 27, but its nothing compared to Scriabin's 48 and that's a fact

Also show boi bussy

Scriabin is just Chopin epigonism

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>Liszt is working on his late piano pieces, which push the boundaries of tonality and only arouse Wagner's disconcertment. “Late in the evening, when we are alone,” Cosima reports in her diary on November 28, "R. discusses my father's latest compositions; he must find them quite pointless and expresses this in detail and sharply. I ask him to speak to my father about it in order to lead him back from the wrong path; but I do not believe that R. will do so." (CT II, 1059)

>>129290848
Scriabin's early period actually had some masculinity to it, probably as a by-product of being Russian, his mid period even more so because of his fascination with Fagner at that time, while his late works have nothing to do with Chopin anymore in the slightest.

>>129286890
even gardiner can't salvage this wreck. beethoven's bathos is irredeemable.

>>129290934
>gardiner
he sucks, why would he save anything?

>>129288014
>>129290923
that is my whore you are posting

>>129290921
shouldn't his late works have more to do with Chopin then?

Messiaen

https://youtu.be/7FHc2ooFT3E

>>129291058
Its a different kind of femininity to late Scriabin, its not outwardly pretty in the kind of way Chopin is, or even regular impressionist music can be. Its certainly lost a lot of masculine character to it compared to the drive in his middle period, but its not "let me put my lipstick on and I'll be right out" like Chopin can be.

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>>129291147
I find Chopin's music to be very sensitive and sickly but not necessarily gay. actual gay composers like Bernstein have a recognizable sound that is both flamboyant and tasteless.

>>129291725
Is Tchaikovsky flamboyant and tasteless?

>>129290561
Lies of P is a Korean game kek
Your trad European game sir
>produced in Asia with a faggy femboy MC

>>129291733
is the sun hot?

>>129291770
Flamboyant I get. Tasteless? I disagree.

>>129291733
Tchaikovsky actually had talent so it's less obvious.

>>129291725
>I find Chopin's music to be very sensitive and sickly but not necessarily gay.
Chopin wasn't gay, she was a transbian.

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Bruckner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwHuB5UDKA&list=OLAK5uy_nQJwyQWhfTqua_zgzIbaNl_XtN7EXs7x0&index=2

>>129291792
he is the King of tastelessness in the classical music world. hell, his most famous piece has fucking cannons in It.

>>129291847
Why is that tasteless? It's about the Napoleonic Wars. I think it's fitting. I think that piece is exactly as bombastic as it should be given the subject matter.

It is not a coincidence that Scriabin's two most distinguished admirers, Szymanowski and Sorabji, were both homosexuals.

>>129291860
it's barbaric

>>129291880
you're cherry picking. Roslavets and Kapustin were also notable admirers of Scriabin's music.

>>129291890
Why?

>>129291927
>why is a giant weapon that fires iron and lead barbaric

>>129291942
Is using a bomb sound effect in a song barbaric? War is barbaric in a lot of ways, is it not an artistically sound decision to portray it as such?

>>129291969
>sound effects in songs
automatically tasteless because it isn't classical music. >>>/mu/

>>129291999
But Tchaikovsky is classical and he used cannons. Mahler used a hammer. I'm sure there are more examples.

>>129292050
Both retarded gimmicks from firetrucking romantislop composers.

>>129292050
Beethoven - Wellington's Victory
Johann Strauss II - Explosions-Polka

>>129292075
Great we get it you hate everything. You're so cool

>>129292233
Incorrect, we love the five B's here: Beethoven, Bach, Bach (CPE), Brahms, Buxtehude.

>>129291746
Cope harder faggot, Koreans are making good white games because Euros and white Americans hate themselves too much.

Beggars can't he choosers

We prefer Wagner here.

>>129292387
We prefer both Bach and Wagner, but the shills promoting CPE(nis) Bach and incels like Brahms can go suck a fat one

>>129292382
Eat up your femboy anime slop

>>129292436
Go listen to Bruckner you incel

>>129292410
Correct.

>>129287159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpoE0t7J2I

Fagner and his lullabies are hated and disrespected here.

>>129292050
Anvils in Wagner

>>129292410
>>129292387
Incorrect.

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How the fuck did Handel do it, Messiah is the work of a genius

Spamming this piece again here because I just love it that much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHE6T9JhsC4

Fuck Mozart, that's a quote

>>129292455
>"go listen to this great composer" he said, on the classical music general

>>129292748
check out Jeffrey Thomas's version

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>>129293315
>great composer
Okay you got a chuckle out of me

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We should all kill ourselves as we will never experience anything as great as Mahler's 9th and 10th ever again. Humanity reached its peak and it's all over for us.

>>129293507
one of the most obviously great and yet accessible composers ever but of course this contrarian ass general would hate him

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just realized neither of my two favorite Mahler 10s use Cooke. one is Barshai and the other is pic related

>>129293679
What makes those two better than Dausgaard and Sanderling?

>>129293712
i am a big fan of both the phrasing and tempos used by Lopes-Coboz in the recording I posted, and for Barshai I really love the textures. it's right competition, both of the recordings you mentioned are also great.

Any Gluck fans?

>>129293799
No

New:

>>129293838
>>129293838
>>129293838

>>129288244
that is a fantastic cover

the Vagner meme