first for music :)

HOW LOUD SHOULD IT BE??
>100
Wagner
Berg
>90-99
Bartok
Xenakis
Stravinsky
Beethoven
>80-89
Mozart
Shostakovich
Schoenberg
Vivaldi
Verdi
Montiverdi
>60-79
Scelsi
Ferneyhough
Webern
Schubert
Gesualdo
Schumann
Mahler
Bruckner
Haydn
>40-59
JSBach
Schnittke
Brahms
Saint Saens
Debussy
>20-39
Ravel
Chopin
Boulez
>1-5
Feldman
Satie
>0
Cage
Nancarrow
Grisey
Riley
Part
Liszt
Tchaikovsky

I'm not liking Karajan's Ring cycle as much as I thought, and I'm one of the biggest Karajan fans here. Maybe it's DFD's singing, I don't think I've ever loved a recording that features him as a prominent soloist. I'll still listen to the entire thing, all I know is I've preferred other Das Rheingolds I've heard.

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Dee Eff Dee

>>129293679
glad to see someone else here likes Lopez-Cobos' Mahler. What do you think of his 3rd and 9th?

>>129294694
yeah the worst parts of the cycle are DFD in Rheingold and Jess Thomas in Siegfried

>>129294815
you can remedy this by listening to Karajan's MOVIE version of Rheingold, which uses Thomas Stewart as Wotan and is thus more consistent with the rest of his cycle.
unfortunately, there is no great Karajan Siegfried alternative.

>>129294798
I haven't checked his 3rd but I'm fond of his 9th. you like his 3rd?

>>129294839
Not as an everyday 3rd but when I want one more relaxing, it's my go-to. Same way I feel about his 9th.

>>129294694
The timbre of DFD's voice can be off-putting and fach unsatisfactory for some of the heavier roles, but I almost always end up adjusting to any of his opera performances because of his musical and theatrical intelligence.

>>129294815
Jess Thomas is fine
Miles above any heldentenor is the past 40 years

>mfw some anons here think there's only one good musician a century
::eyeroll::

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Johann Strauss II's Die Fledermaus conducted by Herbert von Karajan.

overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcyA3ZhQLYE&list=OLAK5uy_l0sUXOQkuDQoYKB7nLU9KKc1uJksXwqj4&index=2

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfcFeIr1v1s&list=OLAK5uy_l0sUXOQkuDQoYKB7nLU9KKc1uJksXwqj4&index=23

>>129295077
he's a good actor but a bit too unsteady for the role. his forging song doesn't sound youthful enough

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now playing

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 1, Op. 7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwY3qrfpJAA&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=2

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 2, Op. 16 "The Four Temperaments"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGwqk7vp9xg&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=6

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 3, Op. 27 "Espansiva"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMFTTlwkeN0&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ

>>129295156
this would be good if it weren't for the million movements of dialogue. johann strauss a hack

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Shostakovich's Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk conducted by Rostropovich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5oa48DzVGw&list=OLAK5uy_nzozS7SZNgwNOT-GXxsoigHOG8dQmd9FA&index=3

>Written between 1930 and 1932, Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk was one of the most brilliant achievements of Shostakovich's long career. It was also the work that got him into trouble with Stalin. When the Soviet leader attended a performance in Moscow in 1936, almost two years after the opera's acclaimed Leningrad premiere, he personally ordered the publication of a scathing article in Pravda ("Muddle Instead of Music"), unleashing a ruthless campaign to reduce the arts in Soviet Russia to a state of dogmatic subservience to the regime. Lady Macbeth would disappear from the repertory for 30 years...

>But what an opera this one was! Notwithstanding its title, it has nothing to do with Shakespeare's Macbeth and quite a lot to do with Dostoevsky (even though it's based on a story by another 19th-century writer, Nikolai Leskov). The plot has all the elements of a Russian epic--boredom, need, irresistible sexual longing, infidelity, murder, suicide--and the music is vintage Shostakovich, swinging between farce and tragedy with astonishing sureness, magnificently intense, deeply absorbing, yet approachable. The opera's climactic scenes are driven by music of incredible power, and there are pages of haunting lyric beauty as well, such as Katarina's aria in scene 3, or the extraordinary music that begins the love scene between Katarina and Sergey--mysterious, edgy, sensuous, and vast. It's all brought home on this recording, a labor of love from two of the composer's closest friends and greatest champions. Vishnevskaya, the great exponent of the role of Katarina, sings with untrammeled splendor, while Rostropovich, the supreme interpreter of the music of Shostakovich in our time, conducts a characterful, white-hot performance by the London Philharmonic. --Ted Libbey

So far, in this foray into exploring opera, I've been choosing pieces off the TC Top 200 Operas list. Any suggestions from the opera-anons here for ones I haven't listened to yet? I was probably gonna listen to Bizet's Carmen again today, only with a different recording than Karajan's.

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now playing

start of Dvorak: Cello Concerto in B Minor, Op. 104, B. 191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKgr3FjivHE&list=OLAK5uy_nH0nvHBw--rgXgexB3vgz3uyX-53i1snw&index=2

start of Schumann: Cello Concerto in A Minor, Op. 129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvWSdwaBXLM&list=OLAK5uy_nH0nvHBw--rgXgexB3vgz3uyX-53i1snw&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nH0nvHBw--rgXgexB3vgz3uyX-53i1snw

Du Pre/Barenboim performing Dvorak and Schumann? Hell, Du Pre performing anything? Can't go wrong. Every classical fan ought to have Du Pre in their library.

Why didn't Mozart write any cello-dominant pieces? No cello sonatas like Beethoven, no cello concerto like Haydn, and of course no solo cello suites like Bach.

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>>129293838
barber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zj53kBqvkU

it looks like we have a rock spider: >>129296028

of course jannies won't do anything about it because they're fucking useless.

>>129296074
??

>>129296028
great symphony/recording

Gotta say, the plot of the Magic Flute is kind of retarded schlock. I guess even Mozart prostituted himself for the dollar.

>>129296027
Nothing better than when high art meets popular and financial success.

>>129295914
Gluck's Alceste

>The 'war' was carried out through compositions, words, and even with scenes at concerts. At the premiere of Brahms's First Piano Concerto in Leipzig, there was a reversal of sorts. The concerto, which was his first orchestral piece to be performed publicly, was met with hissing. Conservative critics hated the piece, while those who supported the New German School praised it.[26]

imagine hissing at that masterpiece. Although it is a bit confusing because Brahms' was on the side of the conservatives, so shouldn't the opposite of happened? or is his first piano concerto a break from that? idk, I don't get it, nor do I really care about such matters. source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Romantics

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Beer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T-Qh8V_7sg&list=OLAK5uy_kaFwt7FeRz3Txk_OeSF4sZ1N7Z2qWkIoI&index=16

>>129296027
Rossini would apply as well, except hes too fat to be diving into anything, even water would be like concrete.

>>129296101
>Operaslop
>high art
Lol.
Lmao.

>>129293799
As of late, yes.

>>129296110
Thanks.

>>129296074
bobby what the hell is a rock spider?

>>129296098
It's very well written for a libretto, the scenes and characters are profoundly beautiful as befits the expression of Mozart's spiritual convictions. Only the organisation of the scenes is more superficially designed, even being outright bad at one point. But that has more to do with Mozart's own idea of opera than any desire to 'sell out'.

>>129296098
Correct.

>>129296140
>>129296084
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rock%20spider

>sieglinde wagner, austrian opera singer known for singing wagner
Germans are a funny people.

>>129296224
First time I've seen someone accuse Germans of being funny.

>>129296199
im noticing an uptick of 80 iq ppl who get very upset at the mere sight of an anime picture and it's creeping me out

>>129296289
I hope you like BBC because you will be found and sent to prison.

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>>129296307

>>129296314
>>129296307
>>129296289
>>129296199
Thank you for the cliquespam.

>>129296327
its either a schizo or a genuine palantir mossad goon dropping autistic hints at the planned mass imprisonment of antisemites under dubious guises like pedophilia or immigrant status

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now playing, more cello concerti

start of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1 in E-Flat Major, Op. 107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVCv1sQjtwY&list=OLAK5uy_m_2V_6iUB5RJEV06KzC88FWcPjjijg4hw&index=2

start of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 2 in G Major, Op. 126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMtAE_e4MTk&list=OLAK5uy_m_2V_6iUB5RJEV06KzC88FWcPjjijg4hw&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_2V_6iUB5RJEV06KzC88FWcPjjijg4hw

>For the 50th anniversary of the composer's death, Andris Nelsons and the Boston Symphony Orchestra conclude their award-winning, decade-long Shostakovich Project by presenting the Shostakovich symphony cycle, featuring Yo-Yo Ma's performances of the two cello concertos. Introducing the latter work to the audience, Ma said, "This piece is as relevant today as it was then. I think Shostakovich's artistic truth was to represent the voice of the voiceless."

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Pardon me if this is lightly off-topic, but I feel like at least one of you would be interested in watching pic related. I could upload the untouched DVD release somewhere if there is interest.

>>129296431
>In 1962, together with Otto Muehl and Adolf Frohner, he performed the three-part action “The Blood Organ” in Vienna, for which a joint manifesto was published. At the beginning of the 1960s, he developed the main ideas for his Orgie Mysterien Theater. Nitsch's Orgien Mysterien Theater performances (or Aktionen, as he called them) can be considered to have been both ritualistic and existential. The scene often involved slaughters, religious sacrifices, and crucifixion, as well as blood and flesh. The performances were also accompanied by music, dancing, and active participants. In his first Orgie Mysterien Theater performance, Nitsch and his friends used animal carcasses, entrails, and blood similarly to a ritual. The cloths, bandages, and other fabrics used in these performances introduced Nitsch to the idea of making paintings.[4]

>From 1971 on Nitsch organized his “Orgy-Mystery Games” at the Prinzendorf Castle area he acquired, including the high point of his life's work, the great “6-Day Game” in the summer of 1998, directed by Alfred Gulden.

>Nitsch's worldview was strongly influenced by mystical authors, but also by de Sade, Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, and Antonin Artaud, among others. In his theoretical book Orgien-Mysterien-Theater, Nitsch stated that his actions and images should first cause disgust in the audience, then catharsis. The combining of real animal carcasses and real blood with religious content such as the crucifixion and the Immaculate Conception were consciously used by Nitsch in order to bring the viewer to reflect on symbolic topoi such as blood and death that are often repressed in everyday life, which also play a central role in Christianity. Christian viewers and numerous critics perceived his actions and works as blasphemy.

so all of these rich people having occult, satanic parties were just showcasing his art? damn

>>129296458
Austrian artists, man...

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now playing

start of Rued Langgaard: Symphony No. 1, "Klippepastoraler" (Pastorals of the Rocks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1ujB5f8iL8&list=OLAK5uy_mOodez5GXvrxYqbkavWZTj3FKiS7LLTAI&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOodez5GXvrxYqbkavWZTj3FKiS7LLTAI

>The "problem child" of Danish music, eccentric composer Rued Langgaard (1893-1952) combined nostalgic neo-Romanticism with an experimental streak. Unloved in its own time, his vast First Symphony -- subtitled "Mountain Pastorals" -- is delicious dejà vu for today's lovers of the nature-loving spiritualism of Bruckner, Mahler and Richard Strauss. This disc's luxuriant sound makes it seem as if the music were recorded in a cathedral of the outdoors. -- NJ.com, The Star-Ledger, Bradley Bambarger, December 30, 2008

Bored, so I'm gonna go through Dausgaard's complete Langgaard symphony cycle. Link to playlist if anyone else is interested:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4D14bmfCxVXSZNciAHqH0spHmN2BEPXC

who's "walkure" and when do they die

>>129296681
Die, Walkure, Die!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj5R1f_luao&list=OLAK5uy_mfpKejSc8IOqylPzM1LU2MgjfdLt5ZFfc&index=65

Wagner is the Messiah.

>>129296797
>Wagner is the King of the Jews and savior of Israel
Correct.

>>129293336
thanks for the rec, ill give it a listen

>>129296797
That was actually composed by Handel.

>Chopindian tranner spammer woke up
Good morning saar.

>>129297046
I am of spamming the general saar, I show u my bob and vagene, I am real woman buddy guy, listen Chopin and eat naan saar

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Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WefLxu28f0Q&list=OLAK5uy_nIKvpPJc_1FnMP2XQEw98di1pDXDlhsKQ&index=33

>>129296151
>the expression of Mozart's spiritual convictions.
What spiritual convictions? Have a scat fetish and discussing the intricacies of fecal eating with his friends? Or is it being a hedonistic socialite with no spiritual aspirations at all where he probably died from an STD?

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Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWdGWyLwrco&list=OLAK5uy_mybL-qg2RV58-Klb3Qset-Mf3nxM4cfdo&index=34

>>129297183
>spends life talking about eating poop and shit
>""""""""""mysteriously"""""""" dies at 35 from """""""throat infection""""""
Wonder what could have caused such an infection, curious!

>>129295278
I don't really care about youth. Melchior and Lorenz never sound youthful as Siegfried either.

Violin is the one instrument I just can't learn to play well, its just frustrating to be doing everything right and still sounding terrible

>>129297261
>to be doing everything right
>still sounding terrible
Hmmmm....

>>129297274
Well doing everything right by the book. Like how hard is it to brush a bow across some strings

>ywn be a high level exec at a fortune 500 corporation with a library of classical records in your office, so whenever your subordinates or fellow execs come by, you force them to listen to your favorite classical in hopes of improving their taste
why live

>>129297337
One of the more pathetic daydreams I've heard. If people were capable of enjoying classical, then they already would, there is no such thing as improving someone else's taste unless they are a literal bot, and why would you care about reprogramming a bot?

>>129297355
As soon as I hit post, I regretted that and wished I had instead wrote,
>so you can introduce them to the finest music and art in history

>>129297367
Why do you think there is some sort of barrier to the "finest music and art in history"? Go play Ode to Joy and every normalfag on the planet will already know it. This is the era of the internet and globalization, there is no barrier to art, nor to knowledge.

This sort of thought is like "I can't wait to earn loads of money to show off to my lower class friends", meanwhile actual wealthy and high class people don't even think or care about whatever the thoughts are of lower class people.

If they were capable of understanding and enjoying classical, they already would be doing so. Even if you convince some bot to listen to classical, they aren't going to be your equal in discussions, its a one sided affair where you give and receive nothing in return. Pointless.

>>129297430
How do you think people get into things? They could walk into your office while you're listening to Beethoven's third symphony and legitimately like what they're hearing.

>ywn be a high level exec at a fortune 500 corporation with a library of classical records in your office who just jacks off and listens to classical music all day instead of working
why live

>>129297443
>How do you think people get into things?
By having an interest in things, if you enjoy music there is an inevitable path to classical. How can you listen to the endless repetitious nature of pop rock and not eventually listen to prog-rock instead? And when you listen to prog-rock how can you not eventually be lead to jazz? And when you listen to jazz how can you not eventually be lead to classical? The only time people need to be intentionally lead is when they are children, so they don't waste there time going through the rockslop cycle and instead just skip to real music.

The reality is that the minds of the older people are incapable of enjoying classical, they are not prepared for the modulations and development that form this music, as their interests rest in repetitive phrases in the ABABA structure that lasts 2-3 minutes.

Indeed why would you even care for having people who have lived 25+ years and still haven't realized what actual great art is? When we are young you may blame economic and cultural situation for someone's beliefs, but for 25-30 years to go by without the necessary thought to realize the truth in the age of free information? You are interested in the opinions and gratitude of idiots.

Should i make a talkclassical account? I already know the answer is no. Is there a single good classical forum around these days? Should i invent a thread persona and start posting here again? Whats missing these days
Well, after solving that captcha i can say i also won’t be posting here either. What have they done to this place

plus you can play funny pranks like when they walk into your office, you switch to the Elliot Carter or Schoenberg String Quartet or Boulez Piano Sonata and see if they pretend to like it because you do

>>129297484
Seriously, I don't even get people like Epstein and the rest of the pedo elites. If I have millions or billions I would just buy a cabin in Switzerland and NEET while listening to music until I die.

>>129297496
...anon, there are people discovering things for the very first time at every age every single day. Lots of people don't get into classical or whatever art or hobby until late 20s/early 30. I don't know why you're intentionally being dense and so adamant on it's impossible and fruitless to try and introduce any adult to anything new.

>>129297500
Can't hurt to give it a try.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php

is another one you could try, I've gotten some recording recs and discussions there.

It's raining outside. You guys know what that means, right? Time for some Sibelius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM4K_eXZxC0

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>>129297523
Anyone who looks at a Baroque painting and compares it to the awful schlock of today such as pic related can intuit the truth, so too can anyone intuit that classical music is the supreme form of music. Everyone knows it already, and if they already know the truth, why are you pretending like you are some prophet here to bring them the words of god they did not know? Your point of view rests of you showing people something "the very first time", yet we already KNOW it is not their first time. How can they have Ode to Joy, canon in D, fur Elise, Symphony 5, and Vivaldi's Seasons?

Face reality, these people are incapable of understanding art, they have 25-30 years to figure it out, more than enough time to untangle the cultural web spun for them that may have tricked them at a young naive age.

>>129297578
Just because they know classical exists doesn't mean they've given it a proper try. I'm pretty sure you're being intentionally dense to troll me and waste my time, so I won't be responding on this topic after this.

>>129297590
And what has prevented them from "giving it a proper try" over the course of 30+ years? Some invisible force? Some magical mind control? Classical melodies have already been memorized by them through popular culture, classical orchestration has always dominated movies and shows, and in video games too. Where and what has been stopping them?

Your last response to this topic is no doubt because you realized that there is no proper answer for these questions besides admitting these people are not even worth caring about to begin with, and have no capacity for understanding art.

>>129297507
It takes a certain kind of personality to make millions and billions, and that personality doesn't just stop working one day.

>mfw walk into the CEO's office and he's listening to Berg's Wozzeck
:O

>>129298138
Would just be another example that you don't need intelligence to become a CEO.

>>129298148
You're no fun.

>mfw walk into the CEO's office and she's listening to Bach's Mass in B minor
<3

Is it just me or do Bartok's string quartets all sound kinda the same?

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>MFW after a hard day's work of spamming a general I finally get to put my frilly new dress on and start blasting some Cortot interpretations of Chopin, and then finish with some epic 90's black metal.

>>129298641
They share a unified aesthetic.

>>129296289
>80iq
>disliking anime
you got it swapped

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>>129298641
Yeah, but do you really need to nitpick faults in blameless works of art that are as thoroughly composed and perfectly crafted universally acknowledged masterpieces of 20th century chamber music?

Gotta wonder what made the Chopindian's ESL mind obsess over the word charlatan, probably makes him think he sounds aristocratic or fancy in some manner. Very much Brahman saar.

>>129299150
Thank you degenerate genre-hopper

>>129299256
Thank you genre-hopping faggot

>>129299055
dude metalfags fucking love anime
you see anime AMVs with metal, not classical

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>>129299404
Visual novels are /classical/pilled thoughbeit

https://youtu.be/uFFA0G9ie64?t=302

>>129299511
Wait that anime girl actually liked mozart and the guy wasnt projecting onto her?

>>129299511
>thoughbeit
>Xpilled
>reads fucking visual novels
go back to your underage Discord server any time

>>129298199
There is no way she is listening to the full thing uninterrupted. What a pleb

>>129299901
*farts*

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>On one occasion around this time, Pfohl expressed doubts concerning the future reception of Mahler’s works, even wondering whether the world at large had not turned its back on him. This prompted Mahler to exclaim «with the most sincere conviction, with an absolute faith in his works»: «My symphonies will still be played when the world will have forgotten to perform Beethoven».

>>129300202
And I thought Wagner had a big ego.

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>>129300202
The delusions of grandeur from the biggest Austro-Jewish incel never ceases to amaze me. I hate that fucking kike Bernstein for resurrecting this hack from the passages of time.

>>129300230
Wagner was actually a very humble albeit aggressive person until he became an established opera composer. then it all went to his head.

>>129300202
The B.M.W. trio are the greatest cringefest to have been shat out in classical history.

>>129300665
Bellini, Meyerbeer, and Weber?

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>>129300202
Lmao this nigga wouldn't even be named by 1/10 people on the streets if you asked them to name 5 composers

>>129299901
>yfw you notice the recording says "Mass in B minor (Highlights)"
:S

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now playing

start of Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkMuYy-pfI4&list=OLAK5uy_lVqEFPMq0fiv7idAeF_nIIDKRQtiHo85A&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lVqEFPMq0fiv7idAeF_nIIDKRQtiHo85A

>"Themes from the previous movements are intriguingly revived and intertwined and the sheerenergy of Rouvali's onslaught upon the music almost convinces us of the heroism of resistanceand endurance, ultimately rewarded by explosive, joyous liberation." - MusicWeb International

>"The first movement is both atmospheric and flowing, sensitively delineating each stage inthe unfolding psychological drama." - Gramophone

I love this piece so much.

>>129300813
appealing to the common man isn't the own you think it is.

The ultimate end of the B.M.W. trio is that they sound like 5th rate composers when put to the piano test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VtFo-mbEU&list=PL3IoVEoYq-G6fFuHB2DMd6GjXtNQfnN5y&index=2

Beethoven's symphonies survive this test, although still has its weaker moments compared to the sonatas or quartets. Symphony are large, extravagant, and bombastic affairs, but don't contain the greatest music.

>>129301045
Do the Beethoven symphonies survive the pure since waves test?

>>129301061
Probably, he wrote good music, unlike the B.M.W. trio.

Mozart also passes the piano test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3A4-zmy2w

heard my waitress humming Morton Feldman's Triadic Memories today

>>129301045
>B.M.W Trio

who?

>>129301094
They are not composers, they are a disease.

>>129301102
what did Bellini, Meyerbeer, and Weber do to you?

buh-lini!

>>129301090
she was having a stroke you sick fuck.

heard a woman in the line at the DMV humming Penderecki this morning

>>129301151
>>129301090
jej

>>129301151
stroke this!
*unzips viola*

been whistling a lot of Wuorinen in my cubicle over the past week. The manager said we need to have a chat.

Honestly I wish there were proper piano arrangements for all (or even some) of Haydn's symphonies. Liszt should have stopped pretending like he could compose good music, and gotten to work on the 104 Haydn symphonies instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9mCs2ktqTw

Listening to piano arrangements of symphonies has to be some kind of mental illness.

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Solo piano is for the intellectually crippled. Its like a rocking chair for the elderly, its like a pacifier for someone suffering from Tourettes, crippled senile music like this ought to be played only in retirement homes and churches. Nothing but a "clicking sound" manufactured for the dimwitted neurotics.

>>129301267
And why is that? Music is written first in the abstract, and then sonority is used for color. All music should be be transferable to any other format of instruments for say 95% of the composition (for instance there cannot be true portamento on a piano, so it much be glissando instead). And even in the harder to arrange format of a bowed string to percussive instrument, Beethoven was fine with making such arrangements himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_V4ds67NI

>>129301320
This but for the harpsichord

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>>129301350
>t.

>>129301248
I guess that does sound pretty good but that's what listening to Haydn's multitudes of piano sonatas is for.

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>>129301359
Sonority is among the least important quality to music, it may add enjoyment (or take away), but in of itself cannot be placed above any other qualities. Medtner shall explain in depth:

>SONORITY. (Dynamics, colour, the quality of sound) Sonority has acquired the greatest importance in our material age, for the very reason that it is a very materialistic element, a great many people are enticed by a conclusion such as this: since everything sounds - melody, harmony, rhythm, etc. - sonority in itself must be the principal element which coordinates all the others. This conclusion is characterized by extreme inertness. Yes, precisely because everything sounds, not only melody, harmony, rhythm, but the automobile, the factory whistle, and the charming little voice of the pretty woman, which may be commonly called melodious, but which has nothing in common with musical melody - precisely because all of this, sonority in itself has the least capacity for personifying and coordinating the fundamental senses of the musical language.
>Sonority can never become a theme. While the other elements appeal to our spirit, soul, feeling, and thought, sonority in itself, being a quality of sound, appeals to our auditory sensation, to the taste of our ear, which in itself is capable merely of increasing, or weakening, our pleasure in the qualities of the object, but can in no wise determine its substance or value.

>>129301404
Timbre may be a secondary component of music after melody, rhythm and harmony, but not to the point where you can swap between any instrument and expect to get equivalent results.

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Gluck's Alceste conducted by... Serge Baudo.

overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G1qfCf5aKk&list=OLAK5uy_mRplFAaiaJs52pwFE-tfbF-RAhF2lvyIE&index=2

long vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNXrF0ebkzM&list=OLAK5uy_mRplFAaiaJs52pwFE-tfbF-RAhF2lvyIE&index=11

I was this close to going with the Gardiner recording with the wonderful Anne Sofie von Otter but as I started it up, I pulled up a review on ClassicsToday which ended,
>This is a very classy release and I know in my heart and head that it represents Gluck’s opera superbly. It’s also just a bit dull.

damn. And lists this Orfeo release as the reference recording, so here we are. Fortunately Jessye Norman is superb too.

>>129301424
I believe very much so the opposite. There are some slight issues in specific cases such as the portamento/glissando one, or the ability to sustain a note while adding crescendo/diminuendo, but many of these are minor effects that can be altered while the structure and final result is kept very much the same.

The times where this is not the case are the modernists, who prized sonority over melody, rhythm, and harmony - where yes, a change in the instrument would destroy the compositions, however it was also music no one ought to call music at all. If you believe John Cage was a genius of composition and that automobiles or helicopters are musical, by all means, continue listening to those sorts, I meanwhile shall listen to music that did not prize sonority over any other means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpEQXsIaP4&list=PL0tkG0S-_tkVzi8EDlnu8c5UBZv2eEAeY&index=2

>>129301359
he is correct

>>129301505
If you swap out a flute for a tuba the resulting music will be radically different.

>>129301563
nope. same notes means it's the same music with a different coat of Paint.

>>129301569
>>129301359

>>129301563
Incorrect. Maybe for the B.M.W. and their fellow modernists so in love with sonority you might feel this to be the case, because they are not composers, they are a disease. If you ~need~ a large horn farting for your epic moment of grandeur or gimmick hammer, then you are a 5th rate composer who wrote shite music, as proven by Mahler when put to the piano test.

>>129301616
>as proven by Mahler when put to the piano test.
hate to embarrass you in front of all your friends but,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSn9HW8A-g&list=OLAK5uy_mtQPK4xU5QKEWtGa_8efjyRbwWmn9ZVYE&index=9

Incredible.

>>129301603
he is correct

>>129301670
>Incredible
For putting someone to sleep, certainly. The endless meandering and lack of resolution at a snails pace is horrid stuff. Would a single person on this planet have known about this piece if it was released as a piano composition? Obviously not. Its not even as interesting as lesser known composers like Szymanowski.

>>129301730
Admittedly the performance is a bit slow. Thanks for giving it a try I guess. Hope you at least made it to the start of the action around 1:30-2:00.

>>129301754
>start of the "action"
Someone really ought to wheel you out of the oldfolks home and get your dusty dried blood pumping again you damn old fossil.

>>129301781
do you listen to metal by any chance?

>>129301781
Is sourpuss really your default mode of being?

spent all my waking hours listening to Wagner's Ring cycle, albeit in the background on-and-off. I've been converted.

Speaking of adagio, solo piano, Beethoven, and tempo. I did actually like the Levit cycle quite a bit, he's rather a quick player, but never sloppy or mechanical. The giLELs adagio for the Hammerklavier is honestly painful, so I dearly appreciate anything thats faster than that. Gulda is one of the few who aren't ready to be lifted into the casket for their descent into the 6ft hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-5Dnn3LBE&pp=ygUdZ3VsZGEgYmVldGhvdmVuIGhhbW1lcmtsYXZpZXLSBwkJkQoBhyohjO8%3D

13.5 minutes vs 20 whole damn minutes, giLELs is just unbearable for this movement. Brautigam is also decent at 15 minutes.

>>129301873
>Something something charlatan metalslopper...
>>129301895
Correct.

>>129301996
Yeah, Levit's and Gulda's cycles are bomb. If you want fast, a lot of people love this cycle too,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bIMclW_2ek&list=OLAK5uy_mUHEoa-F3R1-TaG7EWiDhC587_kmVgnro&index=93

>>129302044
I would like Gulda more if he was less stiff and didn't bang so much. giLELs might have been called "the butcher", but Gulda is legitimately smashing his keys sometimes. Levit is a nicer middle ground of good speed, but not so ridged and metallic. I mean I'm not a sappy rubato lover, but Gulda is legitimately like a machine sometimes.
>a lot of people love this cycle too,
The melanated visage tell me all I need to know about the quality within.

I wonder who has the slowest adagio, Trifonov takes 23 minutes, maybe he's part of the group that thinks Beethoven's tempo markers were mistakenly at double time lmao!

>>129302250
Before you click this link, you better brace yourself, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4YNpZTDfTw&list=OLAK5uy_lCxZkdDze-tQwHIZPjXMnoJtKxRKBbEgk&index=3

>>129302250
>>129302287
However, if you want slow Adagios from really good performances, then

Arrau (20:06)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHjp6HPT-w&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=93

Kosuge (21:03)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OBZlYOZS8&list=OLAK5uy_nrFs1n-UgDhLSiri_FwnpSs9wiBQ5XomE&index=17

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now playing

start of Schubert: String Quartet No. 15 in G Major, Op. 161, D. 887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYlozMMj4Gk&list=OLAK5uy_ktXRCApwp5FTk5ekDeeIU1FiorybWJKzs&index=2

start of Haydn: String Quartet No. 26 in G Minor, Op. 20 No. 3, Hob. III:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927K3gL7A3Q&list=OLAK5uy_ktXRCApwp5FTk5ekDeeIU1FiorybWJKzs&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktXRCApwp5FTk5ekDeeIU1FiorybWJKzs

>In this new recording the prestigious Tetzlaff Quartett presents a program of String Quartets by Franz Schubert and Joseph Haydn in exemplary performances. Praised by The New York Times for their "dramatic, energetic playing of clean intensity", the Tetzlaff Quartett is one of today's leading string quartets. Alongside their successful individual careers, Christian and Tanja Tetzlaff, Hanna Weinmeister and Elisabeth Kufferath have met since 1994 to perform several times each season in concerts that regularly receive great critical acclaim. Franz Schubert's (1797-1828) String Quartet No. 15 in G major, D. 887 was completed by the composer in 1826. It is the last work in the impressive series of String Quartets that Schubert wrote during his lifetime. In this Quartet, nearly symphonic in it's epic scale, Schubert is touching new musical landscapes after the success of his 'Rosamunde' and 'Death and the Maiden' Quartets. The String Quartet in G minor, Op. 20 No. 3 by Joseph Haydn (1732-1809), also known as 'the Father of String Quartet', was written in 1772 when Haydn was at the height of his creative powers at the Esterházy Court. In this revolutionary work the composer explores the limits of the genre through unusual choices in it's structure and style.

>>129302287
>28.5 minutes
Who could actually sit through this without distraction? Its almost becoming a minimalist piece at this rate, honestly just retched. People cry about Gould's Appassionata (fair enough), but this is honestly worse (or at least equal), absolutely criminal.

>>129302368
Arrau is alright for slow performance, but I prefer giLELs over him, more classical, reserved, and stoic. Which is what I prefer for Beethoven.

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>>129301404
Medtner is such a hack, It's an offense that he looks so much like Richter, who has more talent in one hand than Medtner has in his entire body

>>129302602
Thank you retard.

>>129302569
>more classical, reserved, and stoic. Which is what I prefer for Beethoven.
which leaves one more cycle to recommend, Goode's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J9XwOH_Gcg&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=92

>>129302613
please return to your containment zone.

>>129302662
Where is that?

>>129302628
fug, that's a fantastic performance

>>129302681
>>>/trash/

>>129302730
got 'em

>>129302730
Seems more like the kind of place for people who post manchild video game webms while disparaging great composers with no actual criticism. Or are you just linking your home board for a more intimate chat?

>>129302628
Goode is shit

I performed Mozart's Requiem as a soloist for the first time last weekend. Soloist is probably the best seat in the house. The music brings me back to happier times, I had to stop myself from weeping at points.

>>129302767
you destroyed him

>>129302628
Pretty goode, might prefer Brendel over it, but its still goode. Time will tell. Thanks.

>>129302787
Nice, should have given us some tickets so we could see you perform. Glad it went well.

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>>129299021
you dont have to like anime to admit some pixiv artwork goes hard

>>129302787
where do I unsubscribe from your blog?

>>129302884
>t. sourpuss
you should be happy for your fellow anons when it's classical related

>>129302869
I should have! Maybe we can have wall to wall anons at my next concert.

>>129302884
You don't. Would you like to discuss the music or interpretations? I'm somewhat of an expert on those things.

>>129302951
Which recording of Mozart's Requiem is your favorite + your primary inspiration for your own performance?

>>129302951
>I'm somewhat of an expert on those things

you're a small fish in a big ocean.

>>129303006
How would you know, Iass?

>>129303006
chill, krautanon, now's your chance to discuss music with someone who knows what they're talking about, you should be jumping at the chance

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Unironically I will admit that I am constantly angry, which is probably why I can't leave this genre and why I'm here to begin with. Metal is infinitely better, but its just not... the polyrhythm isn't right, it doesn't sound like how I feel. I want beautiful melodic ideas blossoming, a motifs that piece it all together, someone humming in my ear. Medtner is like that on Night Wind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KY0IqN9ST0

Most classicucks don't get it, they just get drunk and blast boring lullabies that could easily be replicated in any other genre like drone. Lofi-hip hop and classicalfans are the same shit. We don't share a bond.

>>129303037
Nice shitpost, maybe keep it to >>>/trash/ next time though.

>>129302613
>>129302767
Romanticism is the man child genre anon, including Russian hacks like Mednter, sorry to inform you.

>>129303026
I'm only here in search of music to play in the background. but as for actual discussions... not so much.

>>129303108
>I'm only here in search of music to play in the background.
No wonder you like Hovhaness so much
*zing*

>>129303094
Thank you video game playing manchild.

>>129295892
Thank you! Cop song from Act 3 Scene 7 has always been my favorite. It's just such an irreverent little number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBdzLsDxSBo&list=OLAK5uy_nzozS7SZNgwNOT-GXxsoigHOG8dQmd9FA&index=37

English TL, although several puns are missing in the translation. https://genius.com/Dmitri-shostakovich-lady-macbeth-of-the-mtsensk-act-three-scene-seven-annotated

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>>129303131
Thank you Romantic man-child, and thank for summarizing my whole personality from a gif I saved. Autism is a crutch but we believe you can overcome the struggles.

>>129302971
I've listened to the piece hundreds of times since I first heard it, and I really can't tell you which is my favorite. Requiem is unique to me because unless you're a soprano, it's basically choral singing using soloist techniques. The tenor only really has 3 lines of solo material. So I tried to make these three moments unique and memorable. I've been learning Wagnerian literature, and after going back to Mozart (and even further back to Handel), I'm surprised at how many techniques can be used in common between both composers. To me, Mozart is a style, not a fach. So for instance, I decided to sing "Sed signifer santucs Michael" as if Wagner had written it, and it worked very well.

The other parts, I tried to be more gentle, seeing how quiet I could be since the orchestra is so thin in those spots. I think I overdid it in some places but I was trying to project a feeling of authority and comfort, as if the music was being sung by angels. And when the other soloists were singing I just kept my eye on the conductor and blended. Maybe that's not the answer you wanted, but that's how I go about planning my performances.

>>129303006
Do you have anything to say or do you just want to insult me? It shouldn't surprise me, secure tripcodes are for jerks.

>>129303243
Interesting, thank you.

> Requiem is unique to me because unless you're a soprano, it's basically choral singing using soloist techniques.
I've always gotten a similar impression, yeah.

>>129303215
>thank for summarizing my whole personality from a gif
No problem. Next time stick to the gimmick posting with those shitty "gigachad" jpgs you also save from /v/ you incorrigible manchild.

Btw, post your top three favorite Buxtehude performers and tell why for each.

>>129303196
I really enjoyed it, so on the next listen I'll check out the libretto while listening. I read what you linked and it's certainly irreverent! It's the kind of sardonic text I expected.

>>129303243
What's your favorite Wagner work?

>>129303273
It's sort of like Beethoven's 9th (and a lot of "symphonic" choral music) in that the 4 soloists basically function as a tiny "expert" choir. More of a texture change than anything else. You take any opportunity you can to show off within reason.

>>129303340
Tannhäuser. That's my dream role.

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>>129303356
>Tannhäuser. That's my dream role.
Nice.

You're a professional or this is a hobby? At first I thought you meant you sung the Requiem for your local church or something.

>>129303490
I was outside most of the day :(

>>129303424
Great quote. Like all tenors I'm somewhat egocentric so I can't quite get into Figaro as much as it deserves. I can sing Tannhäuser for you, though.

I don't make enough money singing to support myself, so I don't know if I can truly call myself a professional. But that's what I'm trying to be. This was certainly a professional production of Requiem, so I might as well say I am one.

>>129303280
>gigachad poster
That's a different guy buddy, He's not the only one that hates Romanticism around these parts and likes Baroque

>Btw, post your top three favorite Buxtehude performers and tell why for each.
I would've but you sound like such an insufferable friendless asshole I don't think I'll bother. Have fun being a loser

>>129303536
>This was certainly a professional production of Requiem, so I might as well say I am one.
100%

Well we wish you the best on your endeavors.

>>129303590
>That's a different guy
>I would've but
About what I expected from a /v/ manchild gimmick poster. Have fun with your video games.

>>129301437
Do you have a favourite opera so far, opera-anon?

>>129303647
>being this butt hurt rfom me and other anons' in this thread rightfully insulting your shitty 3rd rate romantishit composer
Thank you pseudo-eclectic romantishit lover, you're just proving how stunted and insufferable romantic listeners are.

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Since the /v/ermin has so adamantly decided to hate that which he doesn't understand, I'll put on Medtner's most challenging piece for the occasion, fugue included for his honor. Maybe one day he'll grow up from his gimmick larp and actually listen to composers like Buxtehude so he can answer a basic request for his favorite performers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Uwxf_UPW0

>>129303676
Tannhauser and Der Rosenkavalier are both aural dopamine from beginning to end for me.

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>romantiplebs favorite composer is insulted
>becomes an insufferable cunt for the whole thread
Isn't it a little ironic that you proved the BABIAA poster right that romantic listeners are emotionally distraught losers with no backbone and can't handle the banter?

der well tempered rosenklavier

>>129303929
Leave it to a /v/ermin to post a modernist while insulting his hated "romantiplebs". What an embarrassing tourist.

>>129303828
>I'll put on Medtner's most challenging piece for the occasion
I woulda' guessed his 40 minute Violin Sonata but yeah, that one does seem p. complex

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>>129303964
>didn't read the file name
Yep definitely an insufferable autist

And I've been here since the time of Tallis, CLT, Poly, and Celebes. I was in the thread when we bullied Tallis for failing a basic autism test and not being able to grasp basic biology. I was here for the bogposter, and many other things. I shilled Zelenka here before he a became a niche composer to namedrop on forums.

What have you done besides waste your time listening to Medtner?

>>129304059
>What have you done besides waste your time listening to Medtner?
kek, savage

>>129304059
Maybe if you spent less time reading the archives for /classical/ lore you could have actually listened to the composers you pretend to, then you would embarrass yourself and be unable to even list a few performers.

Protip for your gimmick posting: you could always just ask Chatgpt to give you some fake answers next time.

Is Beethoven's Fidelio any good?

>>129303966
He called it his "most contemporary piece", and its a real doozy. Its got all the usual Medtnerian complexity, but then amplified by being much less harmonically "normal", I mean it all over the place at all times. The usual for Medtner is that you need to stick with him a bit for each piece and let it open up to you over a few listens, but Minacciosa is as difficult to penetrate as a nuclear bunker, its a tough piece, even stuff like Godowsky's sonata came easier. I won't call it my favorite piece, but his most difficult for sure.

>>129304103
>accuses me of gimmick posting
>posts autistically about gimmicky composers
You have fallen victim to what is called traditional irony, and you're better off listening to Scriabin, at least his artistry and vision backs up his technical skills unlike Medtner

>listened to the composers you pretend to
That's thing, I do listen to composers I claimed to listen to, I've been doing it for the past 12 years since posting in /classical/ for the first time in 2013. You've only been here for maybe 4 years max at most? Everybody shat on romantic listeners during those days, for the exception of Brahms and maybe Dvorak.

>Chatgpt to give you some fake answers next times
It could probably help you out with Medtner, you don't' seem to be doing a very good job explaining why you like him or how he's good.

case in point>>129304142

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For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Bizet's Carmen conducted by Lorin Maazel (was gonna opt for Solti but YouTube Music doesn't have it, weak[at least not the right one with Tatiana Troyanos]).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HpfB1LwOo&list=OLAK5uy_nwsdy_p64g5mA7i9F-rJd4py2g_Lu6CwU&index=26

>>129304121
Yes but opinions about it are divided. Some people are deeply attached to the drama and see in it a profound musical expression of human liberty, others, like Wagner iirc, think the opera is just a watered down version of the great overture.

>>129303605
Thanks! You too.

>>129304282
Is this the soundtrack of the movie adaptation? Did you watch it?

>>129304335
Were you the anon that posted an excerpt a while back on a vocaroo link? You're voice was excellent if I remember correctly

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>>129304348
Nah. And I have not, didn't know it existed till you mentioned it just now and I looked it up.

>>129304276
>you're better off listening to Scriabin
I had my fill of Skrjabin, the good aspects of his middle period (contrapuntal and polyrhythms hammered into forceful compositions with great codas) are better fulfilled by Medtner while also replacing the femininity/sensuality/ecstasy with a sense of masculine strength and brooding menace, while the later period of Skrjabin's works lack a proper sense of direction and are really devoted to mood and atmosphere over structure.

>I've been doing it for the past 12 years
Not listening to classical? I don't doubt it.

>you don't' seem to be doing a very good job explaining
Considering you haven't managed to once state even a single real complaint about his music beyond generic screeching on romantic composers, I'd say I'm doing fine compared to you.

>>129304389
That actually was me, I'm surprised someone remembered! Thanks for the compliment!

>>129304427
>femininity/sensuality/ecstasy with a sense of masculine strength and brooding menace
Jesus lord, you start going on about Mednter's music and talk about the non musical aspects in his music? The jokes write themselves.

>>129304427
>Not listening to classical? I don't doubt it.
Hmm, I don't doubt this of you either.

>I'd say I'm doing fine compared to you.
See above,

Everything Scriabin has done is more inspired than Medtner. Attacking his music as either feminine or masculine sounds as uniformed as Ives musical criticism. I do that as a joke, not as a genuine critique. It just comes off as ignorant.

>>129304555
>talk about the non musical aspects
Yet you intentionally made sure not to greentext the part where I did mention musical terms. Nor is describing the emotions a composer presents non-musical, I mean if you want to talk non-musical, your "criticisms" (read: ad homs and memes) have been nothing else but that, even now you post "Everything Scriabin has done is more inspired than Medtner." as if it means anything more than x good y bad. Regardless I'm off to bed and you don't offer any real criticism or conversation worth reading. Later tourist.

>>129304494
Please post it again, I want to bookmark it. I struggle a lot with opera simply because some of timbre of tenors/sopranos turn me off and simply, and I just don't have enough time anymore for 1 and half stage works The last one was L'efant et les sortileges because of the length.

Ian Bostridge and Cyrille Dubois are examples of singers I like, and I believe you sounded like those two on that link, but I don't remember to clearly,

>>129304605
Everyone mentions Scriabin's polyrhythms and contrapuntal language. You have yet to post a single example from certain sections from Medtner's music which you describe as Scriabin's equal in terms of the musical aspects mentioned above

Please entertain me tourist, I want to you to post examples since you are so desperate for them from me.

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bouta' pop 2 bennies to fall asleep. now just to decide which piece to listen to while I drift off... Pergolesi's Stabat Mater is tempting but nothing is worse than picking a work that's too short, it ends before I fall asleep, then I have to get up and pick something else. Verdi's Requiem? Too raucous. Faure+Durufle Requiems back to back? now we're talkin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tedduiG0S8&list=OLAK5uy_my1AoTQhqLI6SgA9O9ap7UM6mUzUubXso&index=1

>>129304608
I don't think I have it anymore, sorry. But I practice every day; I could record something else for you. Do you have any particular arias you'd like to hear?

>some of timbre of tenors/sopranos turn me off
This isn't the first time I've heard this, actually. Not about tenors, but with sopranos in specific. It's very easy for the tone to become too sharp and bright. I think it has something to do with the shape of the singer's head, and how they use their mouth to produce vowels. I don't really know who I sound like, someone told me I sound a bit like Nicolai Gedda but I don't hear it.

>>129304940
Please post more if you are comfortable doing that. I know for the most part people don't like posting their own stuff here because the community here will probably tear it to shreds, but I think that's what this general lacks, performance from anons'.

>Not about tenors
I probably didn't use to correct wording, maybe when the vocal dynamics get too loud or too overly emotional maybe? below are some examples I like from classical singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRDB_69Wu-Q&list=RDIRDB_69Wu-Q&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=622dejebmts&list=RD622dejebmts&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ11z4Y0dHM&list=RDuZ11z4Y0dHM&start_radio=1

>>129305055
>but I think that's what this general lacks, performance from anons'.
lol we've got many, many more lower-order, fundamental problems before we should even think about getting there

>>129305164
Lmao, maybe you're right, but would it be a 4chan /classical/ general without those lower-order fundamental problems?

>>129305270
I can post some vocaroos of me playing the piano but showing off is frowned upon in this general.

>>129305055
Sure, I'll record something. The last time I posted something, nobody really noticed but I get what you mean. People are quick to tear things down, for one reason or another. But art is about building things; if all they can do is destroy things then they're not trying to experience music in the spirit of art.

>>129305055
>maybe when the vocal dynamics get too loud or too overly emotional maybe?
Maybe what you dislike isn't a voice type, but a style? I'm familiar with those songs, and they're far more restrained than what you normally get in opera. You don't perform Schubert in the same way you'd perform Puccini. In an opera, if you don't go to those emotional extremes, it won't read correctly people in the back, but the concert music is usually performed in smaller, more intimate space.

>>129305396
Sure why not? I wanna hear some of the virtuosos we have on here.

I'm a piano player too, a really amateurish one, I stick to Satie shorts, Scriabin preludes, and Grieg lyric pieces because those are the only pieces I can play and improve upon as a 32 year old with a full time schedule.

>>129305389
>>129305405
Speaking of the lower-order problems lmao

>>129305476
>Speaking of the lower-order problems lmao
yes the /metal/ tourist medtner-poster is the biggest charlatan known to this general. these threads have become a /pol/ equivalent thanks to him. anyone dumb enough not to see that is a part of the problem.

>>129305559
No arguments here, I've been on this general for 13 years and not Even Tallis or Poly annoyed me this much.

>>129305454
You're the expert so I think what you're saying is probably correct, I'm not that well-versed in classical singing so I can't really explain with a lot of clarity. Here would be example from lieder/melodie singing from what I like and don't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ2VEsMW9F0&list=RDrZ2VEsMW9F0&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vpy-UVVD2o&list=RD-vpy-UVVD2o&start_radio=1

I like the breathiness and femininity of the first, if that's the proper way to describe it, but the second one grates my ears even during the more restrained parts. I really want a Cyrille Dubois performance of Debussy's complete melodies, because some of the performances I've listened to leave a lot to be desired for me.

What is the point of including the key of the piece in the name of the song, X in C major etc?

>>129305836
what an idiotic question.

>>129305654
That second on is still very restrained, in my opinion. The difference, to my ear, is that the first woman as a lighter voice than the second. It could be that you simply prefer lighter voices. If I was describing a tenor, I'd use the word "leggiero" but I think "soubrette" is the soprano equivalent. I'm going to practice soon, maybe I'll record some Schubert, I think you'd like that more than an aria.

the government has no place being on his shoulder

>>129305654
Maybe you went to bed, but here's some Schubert. Not great but I'm just recording on my laptop.

https://voca.ro/12aNO0auNar5

>>129305954
Thanks man, I really do appreciate that, I low effort shitpost in this general just as much as any other anon but I'm still glad I can productive conversations like this in these threads.

Only thing I can give back maybe is an amateur rendition of Scriabin's Op 11, No. 5, or op. 33 no 1 in E major.

The other post said to sing Figaro or Tannhäuser so here's the latter. Singing this makes me want to sing through the whole opera.

https://voca.ro/14Dt2ciG5RMv

>>129306278
I'd love to hear it, if you're willing to record it! I just love music in general, no matter who's making it.

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What is a good composition to do a deep dive of and give multiple listens from different composers

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I hate the last movement of Rachmaninov's 2nd symphony. It's so gaudy. It'd be better to just end on the Adagio, and that's what I do when I listen to it.

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>>129299579
That's why she's my wife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h2Ber9DcYs

>>129299659
Aw hell naw diddy ahh unc is getting uppity

>>129306675
That applies to most symphonies, including Beethoven's 5th which people seem to love endlessly, yet whenever I hear it I can't believe how it got from the 1st movement to...that. Composers always struggle with finales, they try to make something bigger than they are capable of and up with a bunch of cheese. I guess the problem is with me, but it makes no difference. I couldn't name a single finale I consider a masterpiece, except perhaps Mahler's 9th.

>>129305836
The key tells us the character of the piece.

>>129306774
Yeah of course the tasteless retarded Mahlerian lacks the ability to appreciate Beethoven's genius. I am not surprised.

>>129306807
>lacks the ability to appreciate
Nice strawman from someone who got filtered by Mahler, not surprising.

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The Epstein liszt has been released:
>beethoven emperor, brahms 2. piano concerto. , liszt, chopin. etudes. bach inventions, mozart sonata

Who doesn't love the Mozart "sonata", right?

>>129304427
>the later period of Skrjabin's works lack a proper sense of direction and are really devoted to mood and atmosphere over structure
Literally false. No matter how many times you parrot this, it won't make it true. The music doesn't lack direction, you just don't like the direction it takes. Besides, you can't even read music or spell correctly and have an extremely surface-level of understanding this kind of material, so it's no surprise you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about. This is clearly above your pay grade. Leave late Scriabin for the adults who can read music and understand on a deeper level.

>>129306937
I've seen dancing cat gifs that look more convincing.

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>>129307045
You mean that the screenshot is fake or that Epstein was a poseur?

>>129306603
Brahms 4th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va-8EzYUucI

Why are so many pianos in major performances Steinway in Sons? Are they really good pianos or is it all hubla

>>129306603
Mahler symphonies. All of them.

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Can you guys recommend any recordings of classical music done on synths?

>>129307320
No.

>>129307320
Kill yourself, tranny.

Has Jan Swafford's biography of Mozart's superseded Otto Jahn's?

>>129305654
>I like the breathiness and femininity of the first,
Talk about the non musical aspects in his music? The jokes write themselves. Feminine or masculine sounds as uniformed as Ives musical criticism.

>>129307473
forgive him, anon. his brain only has a data capacity of two bits.

>>129306950
>parrot
You know norseposter, I literally cackled for like 15 minutes straight when I found out you were parroting my Skrjabin posting over here:

https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124786759/#124795857

Everything about you is just a copy pasted worthless version of others. The fact you project both your /metal/ browsing and your tenancy to parrot others (such as parroting hofmann youtube channels) is endlessly hilarious.

>>129307483
It really is ironic that both his criticism of how others speak on music is actually exactly how he does, and the fact he screeches about "romantiplebs" yet hes only plays... "Satie shorts, Scriabin preludes, and Grieg lyric pieces". This guy and norseposter are just projection central.

>>129307485
Again, you're mistaking me for someone else. I have no fucking idea who "norseposter" is and I've never posted in /metal/. Do you retards think only the same 5 people post here?

>>129307549
some people get caught in the crossfire but that's what happens when no one uses a tripcode.

>>129307549
>Do you retards think only the same 5 people post here?
Moot or Hiro (I can't remember which) have stated that something such as 95% of all posts come from like less than 5% of the userbase, so yes. Almost all threads are dominated by a tiny majority.

Anyways, you speak in the same uninteresting manner as he does: open post with generic statement "me right u wrong" and then spend the rest of it screeching in a hysterical fashion about nothing of any interest at all. So you must forgive me for confusing you two. Maybe if you put some effort into your posts I would better be able to differentiate you two beyond his Chopindian spamming.

>>129307577
>no one uses a tripcode
And that's a good thing!

>>129307585
>putting effort into my posts in a garbage general on a disgusting Vietnamese basket-weaving forum
You're excused for thinking anyone gives a shit about "arguing" with you, rather than just replying crudely when you post stupid, vague nonsense pretending to be valid criticism.

>>129307587
it's actually more convenient and courteous when regular posters use a tripcode. otherwise, you end up playing a game of whack-a-mole.

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Meistersinger conducted by Eugen Jochum.

opening prelude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThFSXwanhJQ&list=OLAK5uy_lcltWKp34tSddN2FKdHoovhG9nTJa3lRA&index=2

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCd_wSlWMYc&list=OLAK5uy_lcltWKp34tSddN2FKdHoovhG9nTJa3lRA&index=2

>Some singers want to record everything in the repertory, suitable or unsuitable to their voices. Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau was one of those singers, and the breadth of his recordings is astonishing. While his artistry is undoubted, his instrument lacks the depth to successfully essay the wise cobbler-poet Hans Sachs. Like Fischer-Dieskau, Placido Domingo also finds himself in unusual Wagnerian territory in this recording, and on the whole is not so successful as he was later with Tannhäuser and Lohengrin due to his initial difficulties with German diction. However, the biggest flaw in this recording is the substandard chorus work--a disaster for any opera so dependent on large choruses as Die Meistersinger. This recording is ideal for die hard fans of Fischer-Dieskau and Domingo, but far less than perfect if it is the only Meistersinger in one's collection. --Christian C. Rix

That's... not a positive review. What recordings of this work do you guys like?

I bet you tards don't even know how to set up a tripcode.

>>129306774
>I couldn't name a single finale I consider a masterpiece, except perhaps Mahler's 9th.
Mahler 6???

>>129307634
>I bet you guys aren't retarded faggots who lack love and attention just like me
You're right.

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continuing with the Gielen Mahler cycle

4th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1faNUPB-t4U&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=17

5th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7AmTRTS4AA&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=21

6th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4WsANHlK4g&list=OLAK5uy_miIlfEs62MofrDITB25I-DSKTFl2ybyNM&index=25

>>129307609
If you didn't care, you wouldn't have replied at all. Nor could we really call it a simple crude reply when you dedicated a full paragraph to your hysterical screeching.

And the amazing part of all of this in regards to you and that gimmick "oldfag" larper is I don't dislike Skjrabin, I don't even dislike his late works, I just think they are more meandering and atmospheric focused than his mid period, probably [certainly] a consequence of [nearly] leaving tonality behind.

His late period is impressionist in attitude and I would rather listen to something with a stronger sense of directional pull to it. For me his fourth is by far my favorite, in which yes, you hear touches of that chromatic wandering such as in the first movement, but it is wrangled in during the second movement into its eventual ecstasy driven climax. While in later sonatas there is never any reeling back on the wandering, nor any satisfactory resolutions, just more chromatic tension teasing over and over again start to finish.

>>129307620
>What recordings of this work do you guys like?
Kubelik, Karajan and Sawallisch are the big three most people choose from. I've also heard good things about the Kempe but haven't listened to it.

>>129307722
thanks

the classical KKK - Karajan, Kubelik, Kempe

>>129307828
What about Klemperer?

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now playing

Berg: Piano Sonata, Op. 1 (Orchestrated by Sir Andrew Davis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ExXrhH3qfc&list=OLAK5uy_nU8g2BEEf4GGLVDkHhyt4o36nFzLM2qlY&index=2

Berg: Passacaglia (Orchestrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7He9jIVgw&list=OLAK5uy_nU8g2BEEf4GGLVDkHhyt4o36nFzLM2qlY&index=3

start of Berg: Three Orchestral Pieces, Op. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSJfo7WRcE&list=OLAK5uy_nU8g2BEEf4GGLVDkHhyt4o36nFzLM2qlY&index=4

start of Berg: Violin Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPapp3V5z8&list=OLAK5uy_nU8g2BEEf4GGLVDkHhyt4o36nFzLM2qlY&index=6

>Born in 1885, Alban Berg was one of the most significant composers of the Second Viennese School, whose output proved tremendously influential in the development of music in the twentieth century. He was a student of Schoenberg, who found that his juvenile compositions were almost exclusively written for voice; his natural ability to write lyrical melodic lines (even in later life while following the restrictions of twelve-tone serialism) probably remained the most outstanding quality of his style. His Op. 1 Piano Sonata was the fulfilment of a task set by Schoenberg to write non-vocal music. The Passacaglia, written between the sonata and World War I was only completed in short-score, and may have been intended to form part of a larger work. Both pieces are recorded here in skillful orchestrations by Sir Andrew Davis. The Three Orchestral Pieces were composed alongside his first great masterpiece, Wozzeck, and could be seen as a tribute to his musical hero, Mahler. The Violin Concerto, from 1935, was commissioned by the American violinist Louis Krasner, but was inspired by the premature death (from polio) of Manon Gropius, the daughter of Alma Mahler and the architect and Bauhaus founder Walter Gropius, hence the subtitle 'to the memory of an angel'. It proved to be one of the composer's final works as Berg died later that year as the result of an abscess from an insect sting.

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>>129307886
he's the Circle K of Classical

idk

>>129307894
>It proved to be one of the composer's final works as Berg died later that year as the result of an abscess from an insect sting.
which is why I don't go outside

>>129307320
Not exactly what you asked for, but might be of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFG70gFbvOg

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>>129307320
Got you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGnIFAbRa1k&list=OLAK5uy_kv4l6Sq0lPO1-ztjBtVmk9rmLVwtcgesw&index=5

>>129307933
RIFFS.

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>>129307320
perhaps you'd like,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlx-YnvgKU&list=OLAK5uy_nnGLS5r8Q3tsdQNJXHA6IXqppW7TLmgAM&index=1

>>129307953
Here's violin homage to Jimi Hendrix, lots of riffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcNPai2cI4k

>>129307983
I actually don't like riffs, I was just shitposting.

*puts on bulletproof vest*
Where to start with Arvo Part? I found this interesting, and of course I've heard the odd stray piece from him on various recordings over the years, so I wanna check out more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YqF69HLkj8

Also here's a neat article about him I found on the DG website, titled, "The Postman Whistles Für Alina"
https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/composers/arvo-paert/news/the-postman-whistles-fuer-alina-276790

>According to Steve Reich, the allure of musical minimalism is that it restores conventions around harmony and rhythm which had been abandoned in the first half of the 20th century. In Alvin Lucier’s “Eight Lectures on Experimental Music”, Reich argues that this was the main reason why contemporary classical music fell out of favour with the mainstream – a development that he humorously addressed with the witticism that “there is no postman on earth who whistles Arnold Schoenberg’s tunes.”

then at the conclusion:
>After decades living abroad in Russia, Austria and Germany, Pärt has returned to his home country many years ago, where he’s said to spend a quiet, monkish life of restraint and self-communion. Still an actively working composer at age 90, he has assembled an astonishing catalogue of works that have clearly stood the test of time and remained wildly popular even beyond the core classical audience. Steve Reich might have been right and the classical-music-loving postmen will never whistle Schoenberg – but they might already be whistling Für Alina.

damn. link to Arvo Part's Fur Alina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzIZPZN5K60

went to Applebee's and overheard the kitchen staff all whistling Steve Reich

>>129308015
>puts on bulletproof vest

goddamn it!

I posted a track I was working on a few threads ago, now I'm working on this thing, again with Spitfire Symphony Orchestra: https://voca.ro/14QPfYGgvSNl
Playing it by ear again and it is a bit meandering/aimless, although it's mostly the strings right now. Any feedback? I am a novice

>>129307617
I've come to agree with this, specifically for generals where the threads are dominated by a few posters anyways and they become so recognizable that the issue of thread personalities derailing discussion is there regardless of trip or anon. However, no one wants to trip anymore though because you become attacked by a sea of anonymous savages who don't have any reputation or history to defend themselves, so they can bring up all your past wrongs, while they hide their own stupid moments. These anons are mostly cowards who are frightened by the responsibility of their own past posts and opinions, yet will sit around angrily accusing others of their own past issues. See: norseposter telling others to go back to /metal/, a place where he originates from.

In the past I was against trips, but yeah these days my opinon has swapped, although the culture of 4chan is stuck like this now because the benefits of anonymity make attacking others much easier when you are just an intangible shitalker from the abyss.

>>129308064
>Spitfire Symphony Orchestra
didn't know that was a thing, pretty neat

Anyway, sounds pretty good to me, albeit a bit too filmscore-y and kitsch, unless that's what you're going for. Good work anon!

>>129308116
Fagnarian lullabies strike again...

>>129308116
Stop trying to make Wagner look bad

>>129308091
Thank you! The track has drifted a bit from my broad original idea. My ears aren't that good with this sort of thing, how to rein it in a bit with the kitsch?

>>129308150
>how to rein it in a bit with the kitsch?
In my opinion, I think dropping the percussion would help. That's a big part of what gives it that "soundtrack to a training montage in a movie" feel, and away from serious, standalone art.

But I'm no composer, so I could be way off-base on both my criticism and suggestion.

>>129308065
...he said while posting without a trip.

>>129308065
But if forced to use a trip, I would no longer be able to occasionally samefag to promote my own posts and discussion or pretend to be someone else by mixing up my grammar and posting style when I want a bit of freedom from the baggage of my history.

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Bizet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um5ZEsEotV0&list=OLAK5uy_mOsYoGwRUcbzuefS8M1IexYPJzRvIh-KY&index=32

People really love Maria Callas, huh

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now playing

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 74 "Pathétique"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-YOnGRHHYk&list=OLAK5uy_kR_v4V8d7sJ8b1TInNaHYwsnI6nlFOATo&index=2

Liszt: Mephisto Waltz No. 1, S. 514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5TNp1eaTE&list=OLAK5uy_kR_v4V8d7sJ8b1TInNaHYwsnI6nlFOATo&index=6

Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bOG4BF7IaA&list=OLAK5uy_kR_v4V8d7sJ8b1TInNaHYwsnI6nlFOATo&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kR_v4V8d7sJ8b1TInNaHYwsnI6nlFOATo

I found myself browsing through the conductor Fritz Reiner's discography, he has a really high ratio of quality-to-output. Tons of great-to-all-time recordings. I should explore more of it, so I added a few of them of standard repertoire masterpieces I hadn't heard before (the recording, I've of course heard the pieces before lol). I've no doubt they'll all hold up to expectations of quality, especially with Reiner's reputation as a perfectionist.