Thanks for absolutely ruining any chance of Medtner being evaluated in a rational manner with your spam btw

ah so this is why you spammed the last thread, so you could get your medtner general. oh well, let's just keep this one civil and cool and fun

>>129323680
>>129323683
No idea what you lasses are talking about. Schizo?

I need to leave 4chan and compose but I cant
classical for this feel

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>>129323691
>Schizo
Problem?

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wow, Backhaus' mono cycle really is better than his stereo cycle

>>129323705
Surely there's gotta be an opera about a lazy artist. That aside, maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOAAQ0_khw

>>129323680
>>129323683
this crying reminds me of a certain other general

>>129323705
Wagner.

>>129323707
Apparently so from what I'm being told.

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>>129323709
I love Backhaus, he got me into Beethoven, but I haven't checked that one out. Todd was right? I'll add it to my backlog on your recommendation.

>>129323719
No I don't like wagner...
>>129323712
This sounds dramatic, very fitting!

>>129323713
2ez

Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto gives us for the first time the hideous notion that there can be music that stinks to the ear.

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Where should I go off to next after Choppers Nocturnes? I like them and his Waltzes too.

>>129323713
I don't care what it reminds you of, you insufferable crossboarder.

>>129323741
>Where should I go off to next after Choppers Nocturnes
Probably /lgbt/ and start your diy E injections like the good girl you are. We chopincels know this.

>>129323741
His Préludes and his Études.

>>129323737
sticks*

>>129323741
As in for more Chopin? His Mazurkas, piano sonatas, piano concertos, Ballades, assorted pieces like Barcarolle and Berceuse and Fantasies. Oh and the Polonaises.

>>129323749
Who are you talking to, lass?

Please god give me the strenght to leave 4chan and compose something that would make Bach proud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB1atm__LTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4m285Qb68I

>>129323750
Meds
>>129323754
Shall go for the Ashkenazy Etudes then

>>129323763
>Meds
Yes, all Chopincels are medicated on hormones and puberty blockers to ensure their bodies stay in shape for the pleasure of real men.

>Egon Wellesz
tried him, I know why people say he resembles "Bruckner in the 20C" but nah this nigga is bad, like beyond I-went-to-hollywood-to-do-arrangements-but-got-rejected bad
Ernst von Dohnányi is also horrendous
get your shit together, paprikasbros

>>129323769
Thanks for trying them. What do you think of Atterberg? His symphonies are wonderful, and he's got 9, plus some concertos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcsKMet09A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBXJGBL2vJc

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Tbqh I'm already laughing imagining the angry chopindian waking up tomorrow and starting his usual mass replying. Poor guy doesn't even get paid for this.

>>129323761
I neither know nor care who I'm talking to, which is precisely the point. All I care about is the fact you keep spamming about 'a certain other general' and your favourite eceleb(s).
>>129323769
Dohnanyi is decent Brahmsfogslop.

>>129323783
RachAnon is a nice guy.

>>129323792
A nice guy? You mean the rabid nazi who used to rattle on about who had foreskins or not all day? Arguably I was the nicest guy to him in the past and now he's turned into a hysterical spammer over a couple jokes. You guys (/classical/) did this to him btw, he used to be a man capable of taking some banter, now hes a effeminate woman who's gone completely schizophrenic over a couple jokes.

>>129323791
You previous reply wasn't even to who you think it was, thats why I was asking who you were talking to, lass.

>>129318134
I'm not sure if you are still on atm, but can you give me a QRD on the Concord form? Is this even sonata? I can't make heads or tails of this.

>>129323905
Oh I'm no expert. Looking on Wikipedia or googling around would offer better answers than anything I can offer. I just work here (listen to the music)!

I need to leave this place for my health

die, walkure, die!

>listen to Gregorian chants and Renaissance sacred music for the past 2 days
>neighbors call the cops to do a wellness check
damn...

>>129323943
Ok, yeah I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with a sonata based on what I'm reading. Seems to be a programmatic piece of some sort.

>>129323780
thanks, I will try and report back
>>129323791
>Dohnanyi is decent Brahmsfogslop.
you made me spit out a mouthful of brandy in a laugh

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Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud0LjN-dmjA&list=OLAK5uy_kXC_dQgAJ6Pp0pgGZeuwU9T0oqXxOljlk&index=47

Feinberg is really good, liking him more and more.

>>129324338
>Feinberg
For me, it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fU40nXwQts

>>129324374
I only listen to /ourguy/ Glenny Gould's WTC, sorry. No humming = not listening, simple as.

>A friend said about Bach: we must take notion of philosophical, mathematical and theological content when approaching his works.

When people say stuff like this, does it actually mean anything, or is it grandiose puffery meant primarily as a statement of quality of the music?

>>129324392
do you ever stop meme-ing? just listen to it for a bit

>>129324394
>is it grandiose puffery
Correct.

>>129324374
>Feinberg's WTC
This actually sounds a lot better than I remember. Maybe that one anon who used to always say Feinberg had the best WTC recording was onto something.

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>>129324400
I may be memeing, but I'm also being honest in that I like Gould. Anyways, Feinberg's interpretation is gud, sound quality is bretty dreadful, but I guess at least it isn't a hissfest. The problem is that Bach is one of those composers where there are so many recordings to pick from that I feel absolutely zero reason to ever bother with an old blown out trashy recording. Like is Feinberg really so much better than Ritchter that its willing to tolerate the antique recording quality with those ear piecing highs?

For me its if you want a """"normal"""" recording for romantic its Richter, if you want the best you go for Glenny Gould, and then I like Scott Ross for harpsicord.

>>129324392
Based if true

>>129324674
Literally listening to him rn (right now).

>>129323709
He was an old fuck by the time he did those stereo recordings, after all. Much as I like some of those mono Beethovens, especially the Hammerklavier (sans the first movement), his pianism was even more exceptional in the 30s and 40s. His earlier Brahms and Chopin are both stellar.
>>129324536
Best for a laugh, maybe.

/classical/ is just tsundere about Gould.

>>129324841
I mostly dislike him, but he can be good occasionally. Like that Berg Op. 1 in Moscow.

best Stereo Beethoven sonata cycle?
i prefer faster

>>129324893
The one you make yourself from 8 different pianists

>>129324893
if you prefer faster Beethoven as I do, and are okay with/have spotify, you can check out my playlist with my personal favorite recording of each
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4XAznO33nZ8AjIojuhAyNR?si=v0CdiFE-RYGfykf1iZmVrQ

>>129323680
Medtner's music is stark enough, far beyond the reach of snobby rethorics.

>>129324893
>i prefer faster
try Goodyear's

>>129323680
Lol. Who gives a fuck what some ivory toilet faggot has to say about a musician. Kill yourself you round-spectacled pussy ass nigger.

>>129319031
>>129319531
I will say now that I'm a couple hours into the cycle, I'm not enjoying the singing as much as I once was in the Zweden Ring, especially DeYoung who's really wearing on me now (her singing is almost a caricature at times), but I'm not quite ready to go as far as to say I dislike it. Yet.

>>129325546
thanks for driving away every professional musician who lurks here.

>>129325845
all three of them?

>>129323675
Listened to three Russian piano concertos, here's my ranking
Tchaikovsky 1 > Medtner 1 > Rachmaninoff 2

>>129324394
It rarely means anything, but out of those three, "theological" makes the most sense. Still, people have this weird, cult-like behavior around some composers, which more often than not involves projecting some kind of intellectual masturbation onto a historical figure, so in a way it's kind of about them personally (look how smart they are, they deeply understand this very complicated, multi-layered thing).
I think Bach is the greatest and sometimes genuinely feel like he's an alien or whatever, but even I think these conversations get way out of hand. "Bach is mathematical" is just vague, absolute nonsense, though. It's just really structured, complicated and sometimes very beautiful Fortspinnung.

>>129326444
you reminded me of that quote by Arthur Clarke:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

>>129326444
You speak with vocal fry, don’t you?

>>129323707
nice, Anti-Oedipal Anon spotted

>>129326852
Disgusting. No, I'm not a retarded American.

>>129326900
Why do you talk like that?

When gaijin come to my country and fuck Nipponese women with their huge white dick, I like to listen to Chopin to deal with the feeling. I also like to tell myself although they are bigger, they are not rok like me.
yours truly, little pebble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg

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thoughts?

>>129326989
It's pretty goode, ha ha :)

>>129326989
He is good

>>129326989
Bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_VPZII2RU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yahbGooZ8cY
It is incredible how much more expressive the violin version is than the piano version. Really drives home how retarded that "all music should be reduced to solo piano" guy is.

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Thoughts?

>>129326989
Ugly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOl73VQOS9M

>>129327042
>"all music should be reduced to solo piano"
That's me, but I'm also the "Chopin should be played on strings" guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJvi7wAupaQ&list=PLHhl9W0kUwfT3LFk2uNej-EO7OWegUvVt&index=2

Its not that I think all music should be reduced to solo piano, nor that piano is even a superior instrument to strings or orchestra, its that proper well written music can be transcribed for any instrument and still sound great. The "piano test" is there to test if your music is drivel being hidden by trimbral gimmicks (eg Bolero and the B.M.W. trio), or is it proper music that is simply in orchestral speech (Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc symphonies).

>>129326971
jej

>>129327042
The sociopath /metal/schizo should never be taken seriously or mentioned in any context whatsoever. He has massive dunning kruger and does not understand instrumentation, case in point above.
>>129327187
thank you charlatan

This confirms my suspicions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUY_u09SyQ

>>129327214
The instrumentation needed for Chopin is an ensemble of needles for your weekly E shots. Real aristocratic women in salons loved Chopin, and thus you must become a woman in order to understand xis true musical beauty.

>>129327187
To be fair to Ravel, he himself said that Bolero is 15 minutes of orchestration with no music, so we should appreciate it for what it is.

>>129326936
Did you find yourself in my post, huh?

>>129327228
I think Bolero is absolutely genius honestly, and the fact it works at all shows he was a true master of orchestration. But of course we all understand that its also a music with no form or structure, and would instantly die outside of its orchestral playbox. This was actually the piece where I realized how illusory timbral variations can be, they can create meaning where in reality there is no movement or form.

To me there is the abstract pure Music (form), and then there are shadows on the wall (timbre). Not that I don't think timbre cannot take away or add enjoyment (for instance I believe strings are more expressive and better suited for lyrical singy music like Chopin), I just think it also acts as a mirage, and the best music need not hide behind its smoke and mirrors.

>>129325314
>if you prefer faster Beethoven as I do, check out my playlist
>>giLELs all over the list
Old man giLELs pulling 6 whole minutes for the first movement of no 19.

>>129327249
Didn't Adorno say Wagner was the first composer in which orchestration became part of the form? Makes me wonder how he would sound on a piano reduction.

>>129327397
Wagner being as famous as he is actually has many transcriptions for piano. We actually discussed this the other day, here is Glenny's interpretation of Siegfried, which is among the pieces more likely to succeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu56CLfFx5M&list=OLAK5uy_nUdQgX8F2wNL5fhVJ4iLG61o0BnnXOCQk&index=3

As for the comment about orchestration becoming part of the form, thats a pretty hacky comment, I mean Ravel himself stated "I've written only one masterpiece — Boléro. Unfortunately, it has no music in it". I get his idea though, he thinks Wagner doesn't function outside of the orchestra, and personally I do agree with that, same in regards to the B.M.W. trio. They aren't pure abstract music like Haydn and Bach were, they are intertwined with timbre to such a degree that that their piano tests are abysmal for the most part.

>>129327442
Was expecting that to be an excerpt from Siegfried and was shocked because people so rarely perform excerpts from Siegfried but it's just the Siegfried-Idyll lol. Wasn't it originally a chamber piece? Would make sense it depends less on orchestration.

>they are intertwined with timbre to such a degree that that their piano tests are abysmal for the most part.
That's an interesting notion of Mozart, but what about his sonatas?

>>129327462
>Wasn't it originally a chamber piece
Believe so, think it was for his wife and wasn't even suppose to be released to public, except he was so poor at one point that he had to in order to make end's meet.
>That's an interesting notion of Mozar
I didn't mention Mozart, what do you mean? I do think he passes the piano test with upmost flying colors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3A4-zmy2w. As for the piano sonatas I find them very dull, I think all his good piano work was put into the concertos.

>>129327442
Bruckner is pure abstract music. Wagner is theatrical which works as pure abstract almost as well. Mahler is pure abstract which works as theatrical just as well.

>>129327497
>>129327462
Oh I realize you think the M was for Mozart, it was for Mahler. Wagner and his two children: Mahler and Bruckner for the trio of the orcestral obsessed.

>>129326989
Superb, but not for everybody.

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What are some good Orthodox liturgical compositions by eastern composers? I've been listening to a lot of Catholic sacred music recently and got curious what they were doing in the east. Any slav composer fans here to help me on that?

>>129327504
>pure abstract music
If you mean non-programmatic, sure. Its called "absolute music". Regardless, that is not the topic of this conversation. Although I don't expect a Wagnersister to be able to follow a conversation properly.

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Tchaikovsky's Eugene Onegin conducted by Solti.

opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nERhcGPCoIE&list=OLAK5uy_nVUx95m-XHLRYEzev1ZJiNKa6XZFAOO4E&index=2

random vocal movement (soprano)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udHJtjHHLEI&list=OLAK5uy_nVUx95m-XHLRYEzev1ZJiNKa6XZFAOO4E&index=17

random vocal movement (baritone)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-meEsgAZ0&list=OLAK5uy_nVUx95m-XHLRYEzev1ZJiNKa6XZFAOO4E&index=1

>>129327497
>>129327507
Yeah I thought you meant Mozart because of his famed orchestral sonority. You don't enjoy the famously mournful 8th sonata of Mozart? I can understand for Mahler, but for Bruckner? His musical structure can stand completely on its own, although I guess it would be less pleasant to the ear.

>>129327540
Get ready for your mind to be BLOWN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwLWLQ9Gz3Q

On final note, I did not end up liking Zweden's Wagner Ring. Gonna try Barenboim's now.

Mahler insists upon himself.
8 is a prime example of this.

>>129327553
Doesn't get better than that :)

>>129327570
9th, 6th and 10th are the greatest musical works ever concieved so that's okay.

>>129327570
>Mahler insists upon himself.
Perhaps, but only in the self-conscious way most Modernist artists do so can you really be upset with it? Unless you have an issue with modernism wholesale. I bet you don't even like Joyce or Klimt!

>>129327580
Klimt is the Mahler of his domain too.
Why are Austrians like this

>>129327588
I... I just said it's a modernism thing. Did you not read my post!?

>tfw I spend 10 minutes deliberating on the perfect recording to post in this general to say I'm listening to so I can keep up appearances but I'm actually gonna listen Wagner some more
hehehehe

>>129327543
>Bruckner
I definitely think of the three, Bruckner was the strongest and had the most potential to leave his orchestral playpin. However I've also listened to both his chamber/piano pieces and transcriptions of his symphonies, and felt like I would never listen to them again.
>8th sonata of Mozart
Its ok, the main theme is very nice and catchy like Mozart often is, probably the best of what he wrote for solo piano sonatas. I just think Clementi and Haydn were far superior for piano sonata, I mean if I want a minor key classical sonata there is Hob 20 or op 40 No 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_px9XDB43Y&list=OLAK5uy_moKtuz8zZ6jMSh7YawI1-QXMD_zDDXyIE&index=11

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Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sPJ7b2AcP0&list=OLAK5uy_mXWAe__BBOAWepz2B67l7X82lcCv12zrA&index=4

After going on a little reading spree about spectralism I think I now understand why Ferneyhough, Boulez and the like never really clicked for me whilst I had a liking for Saariaho, Schoenberg, G. Crumb, Messiaen, Unsuk Chin etc: its "paper music", it's all about the process that brings about the notes on the page, not how they sound or how we perceive them, no wonder it feels like shit listening to it.

>>129327673
Go on...

>>129327580
Klimt is dogshit kitsch and his now inflated reputation is completely artificial and forced. A literal gimmick artist for decadent rich people that no one respected in his own lifetime.

>>129327710
Correct.

>>129327710
>le everyone is faking
If you're filtered by Klimt, there really is no hope for you. Or you're an ultra-conservative, which I suppose I respect, but can not relate.

>>129327727
>filtered by kitsch
Not even him, but you are retarded and appeals to popularity are for poptimist rejects that we don't respect here.

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>>129327522
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dktUu4iaZnM&list=OLAK5uy_m1zUFTeJwKkzrKzBD6AZbJIOaqNGpscHg&index=2

>>129327727
No anon, you don't get it, Klimt is only favoured by people who have no real aesthetic discernment. There's no reason whatsoever to lump Klimt in with the great innovators of modern art. In defending him you're appealing to the ease with which he is appreciated, which proves my point precisely, he is an artist with no depth and nothing to praise other than 'durr look so pretty'. Yes, I can say his paintings are pleasing to the eye in the most vulgar sense, but it does not make them great art or worthy of praise. They are kitsch. Your aesthetic sensibility is extremely basic.

>>129327780
I'll admit when it comes to paintings and the visual arts I'm no expert. Who's actually good then, if not Klimt?

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now playing

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 93 in D Major, Hob. I:93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7YErLSDV0&list=OLAK5uy_k-ukNDbGk7_Oc5zdM2a1cFDIJNQ4yEvs8&index=2

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 99 in E-Flat Major, Hob. I:99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEsMSve_z88&list=OLAK5uy_k-ukNDbGk7_Oc5zdM2a1cFDIJNQ4yEvs8&index=6

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 100 in G Major, Hob. I:100 "Military"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwUn_yzkB0w&list=OLAK5uy_k-ukNDbGk7_Oc5zdM2a1cFDIJNQ4yEvs8&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k-ukNDbGk7_Oc5zdM2a1cFDIJNQ4yEvs8

>Someone once commented on the "sulphurous devilishness" of Haydn's surprises in the London symphonies. But it should come as no surprise that one of the best recordings of these works is from Sir Colin Davis, whose accounts with the Concertgebouw Orchestra stand among the most exalted phonographic accomplishments of recent years. There is a Beechamesque quality to these readings, and when it comes to Haydn, that is praise indeed. They are exceptionally personable, characterful, likable interpretations, with wit, warmth, and life in every measure. All 12 symphonies are wonderfully played and very well recorded. At full price, these recordings would be a top choice; as midprice offerings, three symphonies to a disc (averaging more than 75 minutes of music each), they're a steal. --Ted Libbey

A set every classical fan ought to have in their collection.

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I don't think I've listened to a single Thomas Beecham recording, yet I know he was one of the biggest conductors of his time. What are his best and essential recordings? Is he even good?

>>129327806
>Who's actually good then, if not Klimt?
Well evidently the old masters, but I gather you are asking about modern art, the greats of which, e.g. Cezanne and Dali, are practically as well known as the old masters. For this reason it's really a question of defence against mediocrities, very liable to be overestimated by the interests of the modern art market, than any difficulty in finding greatness.

Brahms' Liebeslieder Waltzes are so much fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3O-OaMMtHg&t=16s

Impossible to not wanna dance when you hear them!

>>129327976
>Impossible to not wanna dance when you hear them!
We're not hearing the same thing. Brahms aint got no rhythm in his soul.

No candid student of Brahms will deny that his sense of lyrical rhythm is a primitive thing compared with that of Wolf. Primarily, as I have tried to indicate, the defect comes from Brahms's limited command of form, he has so little notion of how to shape and handle themes that are at once musically interesting and true to poetic metre, that at all costs he stays within the narrow frame of the folk-song, complacently perpetuating all sorts of metrical absurdities rather than leave the safe haven of the four-square.

>>129328015
how about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQAmAbZoGU

oooo yeah

or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO8_fJvKXg4

There's no way you don't think these are dance worthy, full of masterful lyrical rhythm.

>>129328042
Sorry man my feet are still feeling nothing. I want to dance but my shoulders and diaphragm are the only part of my body registering the music and that creates a very awkward dancing style.

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>When I hear nutcases like Glenn Gould who do: [plays staccato version of J.S. Bach's Partita no. 1, BWV 825, Allemande], I say he understood nothing of Bach's music! I've listened carefully to his records: he didn't understand. He was very brilliant; I respect him up to a certain point. For me, the fact that an artist doesn't appear in public poses a problem. But at least he was a guy with the courage not to do things like other people. All the same, he was wide off the mark, so wide off the mark that you'd need a 747 to bring him back. I'm hard on Glenn Gould. Well, he's dead now, so I won't attack a colleague.

>>129328127
We like both Scott Ross and GG here.

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>Glenn Gould, "the greatest interpreter of Bach". Gould has found his own approach to Bach and, from this point of view, he deserves his reputation. It seems to me that his principal merit lies on the level of sonority, a sonority that is exactly what suits Bach best. But, in my view, Bach's music demands more depth and austerity, whereas with Gould everything is just a little too brilliant and superficial. Above all, however, he doesn't play all the repeats. amd that's something for which I really can't forgive him. It suggests that he dosn't actually love Bach sufficiently.

>>129327852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_4PwM63RY0&list=OLAK5uy_nvUKg96lPuhgLOFsk_6L2J5gPEHRPvmrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypELfOV2dZE&list=OLAK5uy_kfEK2uio_Xbgopyo-GTK5IrV7PFOJ8gUM

>>129328127
Why would I listen to the words of a harpsichordist?

>>129328163
>Above all, however, he doesn't play all the repeats.
Thats the best part thoughever, repeats are for concerts, in the modern era of recordings they are unessecary.

>tfw no Schumann 5
sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc--ihf6w7A

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>"If I wanted to play like [Glenn Gould], I could—but I would have to practice like him, and I haven't the time or talent."

>>129325314
You look like someone who listens to classical music. Also
>ctrl+f Chopin: 1/1 - and it's Pollini
Pleb.

>>129325314
I like the personalization of the choices. I've been meaning to check out that Tomami Honma cycle too.

>moonlight is mixed with a different recording for the second movement
Accident or on purpose?

Why did Bach write a Catholic mass

>>129328239
Correct.

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speaking of Beethoven, now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 10 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abo_ANVramU&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=2

start of Piano Sonata No. 6 in F Major, Op. 10 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4X6f2niFGU&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=5

start of Piano Sonata No. 7 in D Major, Op. 10 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeT16Fn4HVY&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=8

start of Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastoral"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e--DsAe8mk&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=12

start of Piano Sonata No. 19 in G Minor, Op. 49 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUjrInYjyjY&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=16

start of Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAayfnjEfDs&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=18

start of Piano Sonata No. 26 in E-Flat Major, Op. 81a "Les Adieux"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-gYnzLYQJ4&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=19

set also has sonatas 30-32 (ops. 109-111)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo

>The final installment of Paul Lewis’ Beethoven sonata cycle turns out to be more consistently satisfying than its three predecessors. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 10

A great contemporary cycle. Paul Lewis is light on profundity but trades it in for excitement and joviality. In my view, anyway.

>>129328339
Why did Bach write christian music when he was an atheist

>>129328339
Plausibly because the Catholic Church was good for preserving music so it was an effective place to put his best material.

>>129328372
>>129328339
>atheist
Whats with the autistic obsession around wishing this was true?

>>129328499
There's no reason to wish that. It is a matter of fact.

>>129328545
Any other updates from the schizophrenia induced hallucinations?

>>129328339
Its a protestant meme

>>129328183
Omg harpsichordism

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>>129328555
Yes, Rossini haunts my dreams. Sometimes I wake up at nights only to piss myself seeing his face carved out on curtain folds. Last week I saw him out in the streets so I rushed home. But this is no schizophrenia, he's alive and he haunts me.

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For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's La fanciulla del West (The Damsel of the West) conducted by Zubin Mehta.

opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq8nJPSaLxg&list=OLAK5uy_kjGZBibVzAxHJT9lMrnox3Kg9npVeqxYs&index=2

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1MezQPzQo&list=OLAK5uy_kjGZBibVzAxHJT9lMrnox3Kg9npVeqxYs&index=1

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My GOAT.

>>129329084
Based.

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now playing

start of Dvořák: String Quintet No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97, B. 180, "American"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVVxhrIoxI&list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc&index=2

start of Dvořák: String Quartet No. 14 in A-Flat Major, Op. 105, B. 193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hIiDA9j1yQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8CVPyfMkBibmq0YHxs-JqqKKc3NaE8Vc

Any recording by the Takacs Quartet is a winner.

>>129328339
He knew in his heart of hearts what the true religion was.

Ever since an anon posted this anecdote the other day, I can't help but laugh whenever I picture it,
>When the Polish composer Henryk Górecki's Third Symphony, his "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs", was played for the very first time at a festival in France, it went down terribly. Appallingly, in fact. The senior French musician sitting next to Górecki, probably the composer and conductor Pierre Boulez, the doyen of the international avant-garde, shouted: "Merde!" The critics called it "decadent trash" and "endless". Why? Because Górecki's repetitions of simple melodies and harmonies, and his setting of movingly "sorrowful" texts about motherhood and loss for solo soprano were heard as a sentimental, slushy sellout.

Especially Boulez. Imagine, sitting next to someone, and just shouting toward the stage, "Shit!" hahaha oh god I can't take it, it cracks me up.

>>129323109
It's a very popular work (see: Amazon) and on many other classical forums, if you ask for people to make a list of the best 20th century symphonies, it frequently appears, but anons here have never liked it. Me neither, however I didn't hate it either. I haven't listened to it in a while though. I should. It's not similar to Szymanowski's symphonies? I forget. People here love those.

>>129329427
sitting next to the composer of the work*, I mean, and shouting that. It's outrageous, and outrageously funny.

Plus, being a musician in the orchestra, or the conductor, or the vocal soloist, how do you not lose your composure when you hear members of the audience jeering and booing and someone shouts out "Shit!" lol, I'd start sweating immediately, and I can feel the sense of dread which would come over me.

>>129328339
Because he was spiritually Catholic, but shh, that's a secret.

>>129328339
Pretty much every great composer up until that point had written a mass and he wanted to be in that number. A lot of Mass in B is just a compilation of his work over the years

Both Mozart and Beethoven were Catholic despite being German? Damn, protestants are shit at music

Growing my fingernails out to play classical guitar. Already got comments and now im having second thoughts.

>>129329779
>Mozart and Beethoven
>German
How do we tell him?

>>129329807
What language did they speak?

>>129329815
I don't know if you know this, but speaking and being are two different things.

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>>129329785
wat kinda comments? and why do u care. cant beat the sound of properly shaped and polished nails, simple as

>>129329785
Start painting them and explain that you listen to Chopin, they'll understand.

>>129329815
Bavarian.

>>129329815
>>129329870
Mozart probably spoke the most Italian and French. You know, cultured languages in the 18th century.

Remember classical, everything good and great about this world came from Wagner.

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W.

>>129330114
>>129330125
Can you explain the appeal to him? I like the song about the Valkyraes but never really got him other than that

>>129323741
The preludes and etudes are a must. Stay away from his "Polish" stuff

>>129330190
I cannot explain the appeal of Wagner any more than I can explain the appeal of chocolate or silky bedsheets or women with large breasts and shapely behinds.

>>129330256
>the appeal of chocolate or silky bedsheets
Wagnersisters not beating the allegations. These dudes are zesty.

Wagner is for people who eat choclate with their eyes closed while saying "mmMMMMMM".

Wagner is a genius.

Wagner to me is what pollen is to the insect, what repentance is to the sinner, what medicine is to the sick, what art is to the aesthete, what faith is to the apostle, what love is to the lover, what wealth is to the greedy, what power is to the arrogant, and what evil is for the jew.

Wagner is not a musician, he is a disease.

>>129327042
For me, it's the NCO version of Romanian Folk Dances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z50Ooqv1GFg

>>129330369
Me unironically.

>>129326444
it's not so much a culst as some composers are so "obviously" good based on any meaningful criteria of quality that saying they're bad just outs you as ignorant
>>129326852
i am having a hard time understanding this post. are you implying he is a smoker for some reason?

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>>129323741
Ballades are the peak of music, you can dismiss the rest (of the music, entirely). I'm exaggerating of course, but only slightly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GBjQyvtAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW95oXKpFJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX3EbkjRA_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yIJlgXVlE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJO3ESyF_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdxcopAiFs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kti06UKEJdk

>>129327303
>all over the list
there are like 3 Gilels recordings of the 32, I simply picked him for the early unumbered sonatas as well because those have so few decent recordings

>>129328311
on purpose. Ohlsson has my favorite stereo recording of the first and last movements, but I think his tempo choice on the second is way too slow. It's the only sonata where I couldn't find a single fully satisfactory recording so I mixed them like that.

Bros need some opinions. My old clarinet teacher has a student in immediate need of an A clarinet. I have my old R13 that didn't get a ton of use but it broken in and still sounds excellent. Not something I'm looking to hold on to so I'm letting her try it out over the weekend.

I haven't sold a used instrument so I'm stuck on pricing. In Canada so the instrument goes for just shy of $9k CAD new but mine is from the previous generation where the whole body was a single piece of wood, compared to the new ones where the selection seems almost random. Given the condition of the instrument (broken in but otherwise like-new) is $4-5k a realistic asking price? Have been off facebook for years so don't really have any communities to ask around in, would appreciate any opinions

>>129330913
I would do this with Alkan's Symphony, Hamelin for the outer 2 movements and Gibbons for the inner 2.

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>His enthusiasm for Vienna was short-lived, rehearsals for Tristan proving more difficult than expected. A number of journalists conspired against him, and his lavish life-style soon got him into financial difficulties which became more and more pressing, until on 23 March 1864 he was obliged to leave the city, disguised in female dress, in order to escape from his creditors and the threat of imprisonment.

>>129330986
There is no evidence that he did that, this is nothing more than a topic of gossip for the cattle.

W.

>>129330936
Literally ask ChatGPT to search websites and/or tell you which websites to search in. Stop being a dumbass.

>>129327852
>I don't think I've listened to a single Thomas Beecham recording, yet I know he was one of the biggest conductors of his time. What are his best and essential recordings? Is he even good?
Most of his best recording are in mono. I still listen to his Magic Flute occasionally, it's amazing.

Probably his most famous listenable recording is La Boehme with a top tier cast.

how to into atonality? or is it a worthless exercise

>>129330986
LOL. Wagnersister meme is real...
But /classical/ supports trans rights so it's okay.

>>129331144
>AI
>>>/g/

>>129331161
It's not worth it unless you're really curious IMO, just explore the rest until you feel exhausted by tonality (never happened to me personally).
>>129331184
Time to go back >>>/r/eddit/ woke anti-AI plebian

>>129330986
Wagner is a trans icon and died of AIDS.

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Just take a good look at this filth that is being uttered here. You can only imagine how harsh and solitary life must have been for an artist like Wagner back in his living days. Not only was he the Prometheus that brought the humans such magnificent revolutionary theater, he was also the natural force of goodness. His work brings out human positivity and empathy, it makes you go out and plant trees, build castles, donate to churches and charity, and be honest and just...this positive "vibe" that is imbibed in you from the enriched music of Wagner shows just how great the German was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5L5fviP4M

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>>129331177
>Wagnersister meme is real...
It was never a meme.

>Between 1864 and 1871 Wagner had written a whole series of letters to a Viennese milliner by the name of Bertha Goldwag, ordering vast quantities of artificial roses, pink satin and crepe de Chine, metres of tulle and ruching, and other items that he needed so as to create an atmosphere propitious to inspiration. Needless to say, the discovery of these letters delighted the Brahminen, and on 16 and 17 June 1877 they were published in the Neue Freie Presse by one of the co-editors of the newspaper. Not until many years later was it discovered how these letters had found their way into his hands: the Putzmacherin's husband, Louis Maretschek, had sold them to an autograph dealer by the name of Kafka. In turn, Kafka showed them to Brahms who, in a rare moment of petty-mindedness, read them to a group of friends. And he even advised Kafka to sell the letters to the editor-in-chief of the Neue Freie Presse, Michael Etienne, who then placed them at Spitzer’s disposal.

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>>129331225
Mahler is the tamed Wagner.
Wagner is too wild, too beastly, his leitmotifs alone does not satisfy a certain taste of symmetry and balance. Mahler is all that Wagner was, but with the right dose of the Apollonian to tame the theatrical beast within. He is the culmination of music, the real Gesamtkunstwerk, the greatest Austro-German, if not the greatest man who walked the earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmRmPzbwSe4&list=OLAK5uy_nzlkQANoVECOaf3rN9g4wv90dBNSR2tvc&index=1

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>Should a higher being from a distant star wish to investigate the nature of earthlings in a most concentrated moment, he could not afford to bypass Mahler’s music. He could doubdess find elsewhere music more specialized in each range of mood: in Gagaku music, Balinese music, Gregorian chant, in the music of Bach, Mozart, or Webern, all of which would probably be "purer" and more serene. But in order to discover that which is most characteristic of the earthling, to understand his entire range of passions, from the most angelic to the most animal, to know everything that binds him to the earth and lets him no more than dream of the other regions of the universe, there would be no richer source of information than Mahler.

>>129331161
You just need to realize that most atonal music is for the head, not the heart.

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Atonal? Isnt that what the supranos guy says

>>129331389
Fine praise from a man who decided helicopters were an instrument, makes sense he would praise a fellow gimmick artist Mahler with his firetrucker hammer.

>>129331389
>absolutely moronic comment.

yep. It's Stockhausen alright.

>>129331389
Nothing but the truth.
Mahler is the universe.

Saint Charlie Kirk Passion

>>129331389
Correct.

What Mass in B recording should I listen to

>>129331555
it's worth a shot.

>>129331610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwhFhJpZMSY

>>129331610
Richter, naturally.

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>>129331625

>>129331643
kek.

>>129330936
Yes thats a reasonable price

>>129327709
sorry for venting/blogposting :3, here, some cool music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGQECUFMqQg&list=RDHGQECUFMqQg&start_radio=1

>>129323837
That's what happens when you listen to romanticism

>>129331783
Oh no, I thought it was interesting. I wanted you to, as the cool kids here often say, "expand on that".

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For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Lohengrin conducted by Daniel Barenboim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJGw3tMJbq4&list=OLAK5uy_mFrJv9EJcOV98Cp02JUMdaM8vn8b4vshg&index=19

>>129331610
Marriner, Layton, Richter, Gardiner, or Herreweghe

>>129331761
appreciate it

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBfqXOHU4zI&list=OLAK5uy_kPLqK514BefHlmO9E-qvq0S-M_LkwMYDs&index=55

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new Prokofiev release by Giorgi Gigashvili, performing the War Sonatas (6-8), come get it while it's hot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySivZE9kqN4&list=OLAK5uy_kSizJToqhc5le6VhxTN3Q_x0k4I01K9YA&index=1

review
https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-giorgi-gigashvili-plays-prokofiev-with-all-my-breath-and-all-my-blood/

>With classic accounts already on the shelf—Richter in live performances, Ashkenazy in his 1970s Decca recordings, and Gilels in the Eighth Sonata from the same era—Gigashvili still makes a case for himself. The personal stake suggested in his notes comes through in the playing, and the result feels like a serious contribution to a crowded field.

and then it concludes with two singular violin+piano duo pieces with Lisa Batiashvili playing violin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO7gvngsvac&list=OLAK5uy_kSizJToqhc5le6VhxTN3Q_x0k4I01K9YA&index=11

(this one appears to be by a contemporary composer by Josef Bardanashvili? interesting choice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0NbbOZDkGU&list=OLAK5uy_kSizJToqhc5le6VhxTN3Q_x0k4I01K9YA&index=12

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>>129332821
one of the worst covers I have ever seen, and that's saying something.

>>129332847
it's hip, zany, and modern -- like prokofiev!

>>129332855
I'm sure it's a good set of recordings and all but the cover is utter dog shit.

>>129328339
Because he was hired by Catholic patronage to write it. That's the most obvious explanation.

>>129329779
Schütz, Bach, Handel, C.P.E. Bach, Mendelssohn and Wagner were Lutherans. It all evens out.

>>129329807
Yes Beethoven was German.

>>129332895
it got your attention didn't it! but tru

>>129332273
did you like it? I'm fond of it

>>129333354
Very much so. I'm liking Wagner too much at the moment. Reminds me of how I felt when I was last hooked on Mahler. I almost don't wanna listen to anything else.

>>129327078
>>129326989
they're both GOODE to be FRANK haha

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>>129333458
ARRAUWWW!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cu0WiPJcck

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thoughts?
opinions?
views?
perspectives?
sentiments?
impressions?
notions?

who would win in a fist fight Brahms or Wagner?

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For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Madama Butterfly conducted by John Barbirolli

iconic opening (is someone fuckin' humming next to the mic? wtf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slATV3dZoqE&list=OLAK5uy_neiupaPcu26uk0RJ1_YYYoQ_iRitMY2uU&index=2

random vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevBjhZcLcA&list=OLAK5uy_neiupaPcu26uk0RJ1_YYYoQ_iRitMY2uU&index=12

>With her highly placed, lyrical sound, Madama Butterfly was really a role Renata Scotto should never have sung; indeed, it was just this type of heavy role that shortened the beautiful-tone days of her career. But we're fortunate that she did undertake the part: Her searing insights and her tragic transformation from innocent girl to all-knowing woman are so touching, so right, that Scotto is, arguably, the best all-around Butterfly on disc. What's more, this set catches her in excellent voice, long before the role had taken its toll. Butterfly is Puccini's saddest heroine, and Scotto will bring tears to your eyes. She is partnered here by the elegant Carlo Bergonzi, also in fine voice, and if he doesn't quite capture Pinkerton's swagger, he certainly does romance his new girl-bride to perfection. Sir John Barbirolli allows the score to unfold with uncommon beauty, and the remainder of the cast is very fine as well. But this is Scotto's show--as it should be--and she'll break your heart. --Robert Levine

>>129332216
Lmao, it's just that, when I started hearing these kinds of music they all sounded more or less the same (i.e., random notes being played). As time went by and I listened more and more to them I naturally gravitated towards stuff like Saariaho, George Crumb, Christopher Rouse, Schoenberg, I still put Boulez, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Ferneyhough, etc. on to play but could never find any enjoyment in listening to them, I always thought I liked to hear the instruments singing no matter what was played on them but even then these composers never clicked for me, then I was reading a book about spectralism (The Spectral Piano) and things seemed to fall into place when I read some quotes such as David Burge referring to the piano music of Babbitt as "the product of intellectual tabulations rather than the expression of human feelings ... One begins to think of these pieces as calculations in sound rather than as music", Grisey saying "We are musicians and our model is sound not literature, sound not mathematics, sound not theatre, visual arts, quantum physics, geology, astrology or acupuncture" or referring to Boulez as "a conductor bereft of any phenomenological awareness", the book goes on about how these composers (the "spectralists") worked with harmony and timbre as a single thing, color, how they were preoccupied with the phenomenology of sound as perceived by human beings in time and space rather than abstract ideas, they were the ones who made instruments sing and resonate as opposed to merely playing notes spat out by algorithmic techniques detached from the realities of the instruments being played and the beings perceiving them.

>>129334065
Makes sense. Thanks for the reply. I'll have to check out some of the composers you named that you like.

>>129332273
>>129333354
>>129333409
it's not a bit ponderous and overwrought compared to Solti, Leinsdorf, Kempe, et al.?

Which piece should I learn to impress women on Tinder as a virgin unc?
I'm thinking about either Jeux d'eau or Une barque sur l'ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_36x1_LKgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2y6MXI-UpI
Leaning more towards Jeux d'eau because people may not have the attention span for the latter.
I'm open to suggestions outside of these pieces as well. Medtner's Primavera is somewhat high on my list of possibilities.

>>129334114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lykFWJirapo
or, of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-SCt8XP5c

>>129334135
I don't know. I feel like I would feel embarrassed if someone were to be impressed with such simple pieces. Don't get me wrong, I love simple pieces -- Schumann's Traumerei is one of my all-time favorites -- nor do I desire something really flashy and gaudy like Liszt...

>>129334223
We're talking girls off Tinder, not a classical pianist.

For me, it's Scriabin's 5th Piano Sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFB-z40sg8

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now playing

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or5Ugta8C-o&list=OLAK5uy_mAKZLdTzxF9zUmmEqQbbjUn4_-6quM1WQ&index=2

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F Major, Op. 93:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF4DJ1XdTzY&list=OLAK5uy_mAKZLdTzxF9zUmmEqQbbjUn4_-6quM1WQ&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mAKZLdTzxF9zUmmEqQbbjUn4_-6quM1WQ

>>129333947
Nice instrument
Boring playing, like most modern Chopin.
>>129334015
Barbirolli is humming, yeah.

>>129334305
...but I'm a classical pianist and I want my Tinder gf to be a carbon copy of myself.
>>129334322
This is my favorite of his Sonatas as well.
Too bad girls won't get this one.

>>129334381
>...but I'm a classical pianist
Then you should be meeting women at fancy parties in NYC or whatever the fuck, and feel free to play them all the Messiaen you want. But you play the piano to some girl you met on Tinder, I'd opt for basic, not patrician. My two cents, anyway. It's the same as when girls as me to quote them some poetry once I tell them I'm into that shit, I opt for Byron or Poe or Keats, and not Eliot or Stevens or Dickinson.

>>129330809
Thanks

>>129334417
I know you're right. I wish I would have asked this one girl who took lessons from the same piano teacher as me for her number when I had the chance. So much regret.