>>129318460
I prefer Dvorak to Schoenberg.

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Dvorak composed ten operas? Damn, when I thought he couldn't be any more prolific! Anyone a fan of them? Seems Rusalka is the one that has endured the test of time, and is still performed today.

https://bachtrack.com/playlist-top-ten-antonin-dvorak-may-2024

Also I love images from modern productions of operas like this. So beautiful and alluring, makes you wanna listen to the work immediately.

Why is Mahler, Brahms and Dvorak the true holy trinity of Classical? Not the usual Mozart, Bach, Beethoven crap.

>>129318492
>ACT 1
>The water nymph Rusalka has fallen in love with a human—the Prince—when he came to swim in her lake. Now she wants to become human herself and live on land to be with him. Rusalka’s father, the Water Sprite, is horrified and tells her that humans are evil and full of sin. When Rusalka insists, claiming they are full of love, he says she will have to get help from the witch Ježibaba. Rusalka calls on the moon to tell the Prince of her love. Ježibaba arrives and agrees to turn Rusalka into a human—but warns her that if she doesn’t find love she will be damned and the man she loves will die. Also, by becoming mortal, she will lose her power of speech. Convinced that her feelings for the Prince can overcome all spells, Rusalka agrees and Ježibaba gives her a potion to drink. As dawn breaks, the Prince appears with a hunting party and finds Rusalka by the lake. Even though she won’t speak to him, he is captivated by her beauty and leads her away to his castle. From the lake, the voices of the Water Sprite and the other water nymphs are heard, mourning the loss of Rusalka.

Interesting. Eternal themes of art and the human condition, which I suppose is redundant.

>>129318507
Holy trinity of reddit more like. I legitimately cannot think of three composers more stereotypically favoured by redditors.

>>129318507
It's the romantic, non-opera trinity, though Schumann and Chopin might have some objections. Then again, one could argue you must have symphonies, aka compose in many forms, to quality for the trinity.

Stop posting in the pseud thread, this thread was made before and the edition is superior.
>>129318455
Come home white man.

From a review of a reissue of Keilberth's Wagner Der Ring des Nibelungen,
>For me, the Solti cycle, more readily available at more advantageous price points than anything Testament can offer, is still the best place to start exploring this wonderful creation, as it was for me as a callow, teenage youth many years ago; it’s just that I now believe that the sum of the parts of this 1955 Testament Cycle is indisputably greater than the Decca ‘Recording of the Century’. So, ultimately I am left agreeing with the learned friend of Ralph Moore, quoted at the end of his survey of Wagner Ring Cycles, who sagely opines: “Solti/Decca for beginners, Keilberth/Testament for connoisseurs, with Krauss ̓53 as the pick of the bunch.”

true?

https://musicwebinternational.com/2025/11/wagner-der-ring-des-nibelungen-testament/

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Wagner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5c5W8m9bvc&list=OLAK5uy_ka-amjZ2ihgn061Iv8qx3UGfiTrQvC4r0&index=2

>>129318560
...is hated here.

>>129318530
That one has a metal OP, and insults Beethoven in the OP, no thanks.

>>129318460
This is the thread.

>>129318562
No matter your stance on opera or Wagner's other music, everyone loves Siegfried Idyll. You'd have to be inhuman to not. Plus Ivan Fischer is a fantastic conductor, which is what initially and primarily drew me to the recording.

>>129318546
I would agree if the brass audio Keilberth wasn't so abysmal. I'm still mad over that.

>>129318527
>>129318507
>non-opera trinity
>No Bruckner

>>129318581
I finished listening to Karajan's cycle, so I wanna start on a new one, and I either wanna go real old school (so Knappertsbusch or Kleiberth or Krauss [the original KKK of composers!]) or new school (so Mark Elder or Zweden, maybe someone else if I find one). I'm still reading reviews and trying to decide though. You say the audio has problems on the Kleiberth one? I guess that shouldn't be a surprise.

>>129318492
his early operas with German libretti are some second rate Wagnerian operas. no wonder that Janacek is the most performed Czech opera composer world wide.

>>129318560
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5c5W8m9bvc
literally slop to put on in the background while telling stories to your children. In the trash it goes!

>>129318598
The Keilberth is fantastic and one of my favourites. It's absolutely perfect and a must-listen, except they forgot to move the brass section around when they put the microphone in there so it's extremely loud and I just hate it but some people can tolerate the brass.

>>129318602
I have loved the Janacek operas I've tried (I might try Katya Kabanova today). I also loved Smetana's The Bartered Bride.

>Dvorak derivative of someone else's style to start
Sounds like his standard process! Just didn't know he was into Wagner like that, but I guess he couldn't copy Brahms for opera.

>>129318616
Is this the right set?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7-xPrWWDoM&list=OLAK5uy_nnuSbJ3XBEigW1Qa6KlumBLPu-dFei58g&index=14

>>129318619
Young Dvorak was an obsessed Wagnerian, then he became a convert to the Brahmsian religion, and then Brahms excommunicated him from the Holy Church of Conservative Music for being too adventurous and then Dvorak started getting back into Wagner and settled down as a modest Wagner-worshipper while not being an obsessed Wagnerian.

>>129318478
We know, pleb.

Schoenberg made me stop hating the jews
https://youtu.be/I9-_tVSrCqs?si=Nz8dJfkUyHQScnnj

>>129318647
No it's the 55 recording, but some people prefer the earlier recordings like that, in poorer sound, because they don't have that annoying brass problem.

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>>129318677
Schönberg is an honorary German.

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Any one else fed up with dumb women in classical comment sections? They always write the most retarded bs unrelated to the music

>Kubelik recording of Lohengrin
don't know why Sergio (don't know if he still posts here) rates this as the best Lohengrin. for me it's way too middle of the road.

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now playing

start of Mozart: Symphony No. 39 in E-Flat Major, K. 543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aAmowjJfA8&list=OLAK5uy_kK6IH9J_UjnmW7cdy5NDCwdIsD9Cyjoa4&index=2

start of Mozart: Symphony No. 40 in G Minor, K. 550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5iVnSBOz6w&list=OLAK5uy_kK6IH9J_UjnmW7cdy5NDCwdIsD9Cyjoa4&index=6

start of Mozart: Symphony No. 41 in C Major, K. 551 "Jupiter"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1-RctSxVQ&list=OLAK5uy_kK6IH9J_UjnmW7cdy5NDCwdIsD9Cyjoa4&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kK6IH9J_UjnmW7cdy5NDCwdIsD9Cyjoa4

>On THE LAST SYMPHONIES, Nikolaus Harnoncourt explores his fascinating new interpretation of the composer's last three symphonies; that they are one whole work which he calls Mozart's 'Instrumental Oratorium.' Harnoncourt argues that, in terms of structure, the first movement of Symphony No. 39 is the Prelude of the 'Instrumental Oratorium,' while the last movement of Symphony No. 41 is the Finale. THE LAST SYMPHONIES: MOZART'S INSTRUMENTAL ORATORIUM was recorded for the first time with Harnoncourt's own ensemble Concentus Musicus Wien, which he founded in 1953.

Interesting. A symphonic triumvirate. Been forever since I last listened to these. Usually I'd stay away from HIP and HIP-adjacent performances of Mozart's symphonies, or any symphonies for that matter -- usually only crossing the threshold for choral and the occasional chamber recording -- but I've come to like Harnoncourt more over the years, for he does a nice job of bringing the music to life even when trying to respect historical authenticity. And of course, as usual, I wanted to try something new and different. Hopefully I don't regret it!

>>129318712
>xhe reads comments

>>129318712
That's a good question, actually, and one I've asked myself in this general on occasion. For me at least, classical isn't the best daydreaming music. I prefer Rock and Pop for that. Classical is for when I want to, y'know, actually focus on the music as music.

>>129318731
>Classical is for when I want to, y'know, actually focus on the music as music
Based.

>>129318681
Ah okay, so the Testament recording has better sound than the one I posted, that's a relief to hear, haha. I think I'm just gonna go for the Zweden cycle for now, then maybe Barenboim next time, and then, once I have a solid grounding in the work, I'll go for the historical classics like Krauss and Keilberth.

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>>129318712
Speaking of comment section, does Kuang still exist to hand out his seal of approval to great pieces of the early modern era?

>>129318743
That's the way most people go and it works out fine. There's no shortage of good Rings on record.

>>129318578
NTA but besides a nice tune at the start its really not that interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a0Ncogisws

>>129318745
>Kuang-Li Cheng
Beloved, respected here

>>129318755
You're not one of those "there's only one good Ring cycle recording ever, it's the only one worth listening to, and even it is super flawed" types?

>>129318745
>>129318771
QRD?

>>129318783
>he doesn't know

>>129318788
I don't, what is the mystery behind this asian man?

>>129318767
forgettable.

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>>129318767
If you must on piano, try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyyZFDSZsq0

Glenn Gould actually has a famous piano recording of it, using his own arrangement!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_104zS6pDoQ

and hey, here's a dope Piano+String Quintet (so Piano Sextet?) arrangement I just found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rwMD21fQo

I don't know man, sorry, I simply don't understand not enjoying it, it's one of the most sublime pieces of music ever created by man. It blows me away every time I hear it. It makes the world disappear, leaving only the music and the fierce whirlpool of emotions inside me effected by the music.

Fuck that Gould performance is so good. Listening to it now while writing this post and it might be one of the best things Gould ever recorded. I don't know, I guess all I can say is I hope you come around to it someday.

Oh, here's a piano Siegfried Idyll by Lang Lang and arranged by one Howard Shore. Careful though, in typical Lang Lang fashion, the playing is super affected, but hey, maybe it works, for Lang Lang is pretty good when the performance comes together for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wc7Za5OEzA

>>129318876
>This video is not available
>soundtrack sloppa
thank you sister, we love dead links and bad music here

>>129318834
Already knew Gould's transcription, I intentionally didn't post it to avoid any "ehrm this just sucks because its Gould" comments.

Its just not that good, like most Fagner pieces it has some great melodies or a great theme, probably a great climax or build up, but the rest is just meandering boring moments that seem to just be padded filler for run time. He disguises this a lot better with orchestration (same reason Ravel's Bolero works), but for pure music its unworthy of the piano test.

Personally I think Rossini summed up Fagner perfectly.

>>129318772
No, not at all. Admittedly the quality of singers in 70s and 80s and later recordings probably does preclude them from being considered accurate to Wagner's wishes, because the golden age of opera really did have so many more resources at hand, including conductors and even stage designers, but I still think there's plenty of later Rings worth listening to for their unique interpretation. Wagner was rarely happy with his own performances and just had to accept them being good enough, so I don't think he would have much to complain about something like the Bohm Ring.

>>129318905
another try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxCI3mSVnt4

>>129318910
I think it sounds fantastic on piano, easily passing your personal piano test. Thanks for giving it a try I guess, that's all I can ask. Like I said, it blows me away. If I listened to it in public, I'd probably end up getting hit by a bus because I'd be standing there, transfixed by the music!

>>129318930
The availability of resources in the golden age of opera is a great point I hadn't considered before, and certainly not one I'd heard brought up by folks who are the type I brought up before. Glad to see you enjoy a wide array of recordings of his music, thanks for the replies and information. Hopefully this Zweden cycle holds up, so far so good on the singing and orchestral playing.

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>>129318934
>I think it sounds fantastic on piano
Yes, well, you also thought that Mahler on piano sounds great despite it being self evident that neither Mahler nor Wagner's pieces would have ever survived history on piano, while Beethoven and Mozart's symphonies would do so with ease.

>>129318964
I've actually never listened to the Zweden cycle before so I'll have to give that listen, on your recommendation of course. I await your review.

>>129318986
Maybe I'm biased because I really love the Mahler 10 Adagio. But the Siegfried Idyll on piano is better, no bias in that.

>>129318986
Sviatoslav Richter said he learnt how to play the piano by playing Wagner operas on it at an early age and would continue to host Wagner-listening parties throughout his life where he would just play through a complete Wagner opera. Iirc Debussy earned money playing whole Wagner operas in concert as well.

>>129319003
Haha I'm still quite the novice, no one should be listening to my opinion on opera recordings. All I know is what I like, and so far, it sounds glorious,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq0yb7BvlD4&list=OLAK5uy_mnsm4T-64P2laU9NVxDL0MmK4qbDNAywE&index=5

>>129318546
Keilberth's '55 cycle is still worth hearing thanks to the wonderful singing, but as has been mentioned many times here before, the acoustic is captured in a very ugly manner and some sections are practically unlistenable unless you like a wall of wobbly brass. Ironically even though the Krauss '53 cycle is limited to 10khz and is in mono, it is overall easier on the ears since the acoustic resolves itself better. But Windgassen also makes a ton of mistakes in the Krauss Siegfried by comparison to the Keilberth one. Alas.
>>129318616
What they should have done is miked it from the ceiling and not directly in the pit.
>>129318964
>so far so good on the singing
no comment

>>129319022
>>129319060
Thank you for the actual slop. Thank you for the clique spam.

Anyway, Gouldslop. fitting for this shitheap
https://youtu.be/NOS5CJTOOKE?si=AvsQNhRXzfqfsFRh

>>129319010
>the Siegfried Idyll on piano is better
Than the Mahler Adagio? Probably.

>>129319016
The only reason people played Fagner on piano then is because you couldn't just open up a CD and put on an Opera like you can now, last thread Witt boasted about seeing an opera 30 times, your average fan of a piece now listens to it hundreds of times. And its self-evident by the fact no one bothers with piano Fagner anymore, because its not worthy of being listened to.

Fagner is great at orcestration, has some cool moments, but he is a meandering time waster focused on length and scale over concise and pointed structure.

If Fagner had the ability to humble himself that Siegfried piece would be like 10 minutes and twice as great for it.

If Bach could timetravel to hear Gould's renditions of his keyboard works he'd likely want to kill himself seeing his clinical style that strips away the Baroque soul and emotional depth inherent in pieces like the Goldberg Variations

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>>129319144
>meandering time waster focused on length and scale over concise and pointed structure.
You could take any random moment from Parsifal and it would probably have more concision and pointedness of structure than 99% of classical music.

>>129319183
Whoops meant to write Stokowski instead of Gould.

>>129319217
both really as a disgrace.

>>129319189
Thank you wagnersister.

Wagner is beloved here.

>>129319235
Incorrect. We hate that hack here, we prefer Da Bussy

>>129318546
sprechen sie überhaupt deutsch?

>>129319235
This, but in regards to the complete opposite.

>>129319217
Both are true

Enough about wagner. How do I get into Scriabin?

>>129319221
>>129319254
Incorrect. We enjoy Gould's harpsicord-like playing and fantastic articulation here.

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>Sebastian Bach, as a rule, does not indicate tempo at all, which in a truly musical sense is perhaps best. He may have said to himself: whoever does not understand my themes and figures, and does not feel their character and expression, will not be much the wiser for an Italian indication of tempo.

>>129319031
>no comment
No good? :(

>>129319279
incoherent post

>>129319235
Correct.

>>129319279
There's nothing harpsichord like about his playing. That's an insult to harpsichord players.

>>129319280
>He may have said to himself
Fagner bingo consists of projecting random thoughts into other people, making incoherent statements, contradicting himself in the same paragraph, or creating wold salad that says nothing at all.

The hilarious part is that his waffling is so low quality and so numerous that it can only be comparable to his own musical words which are of the same nature. Lol.

Karajan’s will always be the best

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=tJkGX1CLgUY

>>129319307
>staccato playing with nearly no pedal to emulate the lack of sustain isn't harpsicord-like
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>129319273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMe8lY6oziU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_Dj0_sR5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsBX_uR-FL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh35AJUZzkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2V91O8F7Ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n9KhIzGIeQ

And so on, with the symphonies and piano sonatas and other piano works.

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>>129319310
>Richard Wagner once said of Johann Sebastian Bach’s music: “That made me what I am. My unending melody is predestined in it.” In Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, Wagner demonstrated to post-Tristan sceptics his mastery of traditional musical forms. Sonorous chorales, a fugally-inspired toccata, an unforgettable quintet and counterpoint worthy of Bach all feature in this magnificent score celebrating the marriage of inspiration and tradition.

>>129319144
>time waster focused on length and scale
It's actually the opposite. The inflated size of Wagner's mature operas is due to him protracting the smallest details out with an abnormal degree of musical invention. So much so that Tchaikovsky complained about Wagner's harmonic complexity wearying him. As Nietzsche said, Wagner is above all a great miniaturist. The whole is just an excuse for the minutiae.

>>129319348
>>129319353
Thank you delusional wagnersisters.

>>129319319
As one of the biggest Karajan fans here and an opera and Wagner noob, I enjoyed his Ring but I didn't love it, and I enjoyed a couple others I tried more for each of the operas. I still need to try his recordings of the other operas. And who knows, maybe I'll end up returning to Karajan's once I'm familiar with a bunch of others and the work more intimately, and realize just how superb and superior it is, wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

>>129319331
Harpsichord sounds infinitely better. Gould sounds like a badly tuned MIDI with added autistic humming
Style of playing aside he made horrible interpretation decisions as well. BTW he was a Stokowski worshipper so they're two peas in a pod of shit

>>129319353
>As Nietzsche said,
Top kek and Nietzche also said Georges Bizet was his favorite composer, nevermind his own music that was truly awful.

>>129319377
>Harpsichord sounds infinitely better.
Goalpost shifting, bad faith actor.

Also Gould would appreciate Stokowski because he promoted making large differences in interpretations for any works. Its clear they are total opposite in actual interpretation.

>>129319387
Nietzsche also said that he was being ironic when he praised Bizet.

Hello /classical/ do I have talent
https://voca.ro/17sSa9ZtMKMk

>>129319414
Yes you could be the next wendy carlos

>>129319410
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
Too bad he couldn't pretend to not have an STD that killed him for being an incel.

>>129319387
>Famously, in his published writing Nietzsche sets up Bizet against Wagner, declares Carmen to be the greatest of all operas, and compares its music favourably with Wagner's in a certain amount of detail. But he does not believe this either. Privately, in a letter to a friend he writes: 'What I say about Bizet, you should not take seriously the way I am, Bizet does not matter at all to me. But as an ironic antithesis to Wagner, it has a strong effect' (27 December 1888).

>>129319428
>STD
J propaganda

>>129319414
Better than Gould.

>>129319433
so basically
>dont take it seriously, i was just trying to make you jealous~
to Wagner

>>129319433
>>129319445
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
Nietzche got made fun of for promoting Bizet and backtracked on it because he's a weakling that couldn't even survive living without sex, so he paid for a whore and got an STD that killed him for it.

>>129318562
no composer is hated here, all of them have their fans

>>129319481
>because he's a weakling that couldn't even survive living without sex, so he paid for a whore and got an STD that killed him for it.
J lies

>>129319487
>>129319436
/pol/cel delusion.

>>129319406
They aren't really. They both applied a wholly idiosyncratic approach that betrayed the text of the music they were performing. They were egotistical wannabe composers that piggy backed off of far more brilliant men.

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now playing

start of JS Bach: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, BWV 1052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBDDmJmj00&list=OLAK5uy_lUxf6YdBkywgSLP7yaDu5ec9yI-eqtJZc&index=2

start of JS Bach: Piano Concerto No. 4 in A Major, BWV 1055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Y9E11kxYc&list=OLAK5uy_lUxf6YdBkywgSLP7yaDu5ec9yI-eqtJZc&index=5

start of JS Bach: Piano Concerto No. 5 in F Minor, BWV 1056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxPSZXWwLA0&list=OLAK5uy_lUxf6YdBkywgSLP7yaDu5ec9yI-eqtJZc&index=8

start of JS Bach: Piano Concerto No. 7 in G Minor, BWV 1058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYGRdnaRZIE&list=OLAK5uy_lUxf6YdBkywgSLP7yaDu5ec9yI-eqtJZc&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lUxf6YdBkywgSLP7yaDu5ec9yI-eqtJZc

Highly recommended.

>>129319288
I mean, all the Wagner cycles after the 90s are severely vocally compromised. But, hey, if you like it...

>>129319531
Matthias Goerne a hack?

>>129319481
>a weakling that could survive without sex
...you sound like someone who couldn't have sex and had to cope you were "strong" because of it

>tfw born in the 90s
>tfw vocally compromised
i never had a chance, fug

>>129319288
the Siegfried Brunnhilde and Wotan are generally good but everyone else sucks (just listen to Erda in Siegfried)

>>129319506
Incorrect, Gould followed the playing methods of a harpsicord which is what would be the standard of that time, Stokowski is legitimately just a disgraceful romanticlown high on himself.

>>129319558
>>129319558
>...you sound like someone who couldn't have sex and had to cope you were "strong" because of it
Never insult Nietzche's entire pseudo-"philosophy" like that again.

>>129319567
Well, like I said, I'm a novice so I have no expectation of what certain roles ought to sound like, so all I can judge on is what sounds good to my ears in any given moment, and I do know I really like Michelle DeYoung.

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speaking of Hamelin and 20th century solo piano music, did you all listen to it yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNPsnCZQj0

>During the 1970s, the inspiring pianist Ursula Oppens commissioned Rzewski to write a set of variations that she would perform at Carnegie Hall together with Beethoven's Diabelli Variations. The result was a masterpiece of 20th century Romanticism, continuing the clear line from Beethoven through Brahms that faltered with the deaths of McDowell, Medtner, and Rachmaninov in the first half of the 20th century. Rzewski takes a catchy tune, a Chilean protest song, and pulls it apart in a multitude of ways, each subset of variations teasing the listener with increasingly remote references to the original melody. From time to time the effect verges on noise, only to be relieved by a lyrical or passionate return to harmony and tunefulness. As a set of variations, this piece deserves to be classed with the Diabelli Variations and Mendelssohn's equally outstanding Variations Serieuses.

While Oppens's performance of [the work] was a justifiably famous landmark, doing full justice to the formidable challenge of bringing coherence to a work of such complexity, Marc Andre Hamelin offers something very special in this recording --- a transcendental technique in the original sense of Liszt's term, namely the ability to play difficult passages with such limpid clarity and evenness that the listener's attention is not diverted from the music by an awareness of effort.

The combination of Rzewski and Hamelin is irresistible and results in one of the most intense and rewarding listening experiences the piano aficionado can hope for. Hamelin's genius is that his technical virtuosity is never employed for empty display, always to thoughtfully package an insightful interpretation. Intellectually, he is as profound as Brendel, while physically having far greater resources at his disposal. He is a truly remarkable pianist, here playing a truly remarkable work

>>129319578
Gould's playing of the C Major prelude is not "playing it like a harpsichord", it's just playing like a retard

>>129319622
we've talked about it a hundred times
it fucking sucks and Hurwitz liking it entirely discredits anything else he might ever say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV8mbHKIt14
This is classical

>>129319644
Its literally the exact same staccato low sustain method as usual, why don't we just skip your half baked replies and get straight to the heart of the matter: you were mindbroken by Gould.

Are we still pretending to like Chopin to get with the cool girls

I don't like classical music

>>129319698
No, but Chopincels are still wearing dresses to pretend to be girls.

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Classical is gay. This is the only one I liked so far

https://youtu.be/mmCnQDUSO4I

>>129319578
Just say "I like Gould's flavor of idiosyncrasy" instead of making an appeal to authenticity. Gould's interpretations varied widely over the years and are virtually different from just about every single historically informed performer that actually inherit the "playing methods" of the baroque period.

This is a stile antico fugue, intended to be played in a vocal idiom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l151xQT9pcA
Gould plays it like it were a dance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBpNI96gWI

This is one of the few pieces where Bach prescribed a tempo to make sure performers didn't misinterpret it: Largo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXahSdFOq6c
Gould plays it like a lively Gigue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYvf9vybTnE

Just face it. If Beethoven heard a single Led Zeppelin record it would blow his fucking mind.

>>129319687
is this idiot pretending to be deaf as a joke?

>>129319748
Whoops mean to reply to >>129319307

Why would you act as if playing a piano like a harpsichord were a good thing anyways, the harpsichord fucking sucks
Gould sounds like shit

>>129319120
>>129319144
thanks for the room temperature IQ posts charlatan

>>129319764
no, I didn't. I meant to reply to the retard who said "Its literally the exact same staccato low sustain method as usual", post number 129319687 (one two nine three one nine six eight seven)

>>129319729
>prescribed a tempo
You can argue he interpreted some pieces in a "wrong" tempo (yet I bet you wouldn't cry about people doing it for Beethoven constantly), but what people really have issue with is his staccato playing, which is closer to harpsicord standards than anything else. Nor do I think playing things as a dance is really wrong either, almost all of the Baroque period was dance-like in some manner, that or in a dour church manner I suppose. And the WTC was just teaching material, I highly doubt it was suppose to be presented in a holy serious manner.

>>129319788
>I didn't.
Why are you pretending to me and speak for my posts you schizophrenic psycho?

>>129319796
>yet I bet you wouldn't cry about people doing it for Beethoven constantly
I do.
>but what people really have issue with is his staccato playing
I mean it got worse as he got older and I find it unpianistically dry. It doesn't really suit the instrument as a wholesale approach imo. That being said I simply do not agree with him interpretively most of the time. He was better in the early 60s and 50s, I enjoy his Bach from that period.

>>129319821
>>129319824
>>129319831
>>129319832
>>129319836
>>129319842
Great posts sister, thanks for spamming this general with non-classical related posts

Anyway, beethoven. We love that slop here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0

>>129319856
Pure schizophrenia and disgusting image, not unexpected from a schizo who pretends to be other people, you weird freak.

Thread was going great before the Chopindian spergout.

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>>129319847
You ought to know the schizophrenic spammer is the /metal/tourist aka "hector" pic related. he's making the general unusable.

>>129319880
>thread was going great
LOL
LMAO
In your dreams perhaps.

>>129319883
We love that guy here. Based Medtner enjoyer

>>129319899
No one loves you, and the general is evidently unusable until you leave. Go listen to your metalslop >>>/mu/

>>129319883
>>129319887
No one here has any idea who that is Norseposter, and neither would you if you weren't from there, or are you dropping the larp and just admitting it now?

People were talking about music before you decided to spam and have another meltdown.

>>129319910
Thanks for the rundown embarrassing charlatan.

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>>129319909
>the general is evidently unusable until you leave
Seemed pretty usable before you decided to have another spam spergout, our dear metal listening Chopindian. Now of course no one is talking about music.

>>129319922
>Seemed pretty usable
Evidently not. Maybe consider taking your spamslop over at >>>/metal/

uh oh melty

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>>129319909
Also you were even replying to who you think you were btw. Then again, in the furious mind of the Chopindian, he cares not who he is replying to, or what flavour of imaginary /metal/ boogieman has captured his mind. Just another Norsetourist seethe-a-thon I'm afraid.

>>129319954
>>129319926
Literally mind broken and mentally dominated. Where's the classical?

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>>129319883
He's also a self-admitted idiot.

>>129319933
I think >>129319708 got him bubblin again. Talk about a fragile "male", no wonder chopincels are all turning transgender.

>>129319965
Consider taking schizo-spam over at /metal/.
>>129319968
LOL

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>>129319979
kek. Saved.

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"Democritus Laughing" opens with a four-measure riff that accelerates by gaining an extra note each measure in a horizontal 4:5:6:7 ratio, for a total of 22 notes. The 22 pitches played by the opening guitar were generated aleatorically by rolling a 24-sided die; the three other guitars play serial transformations of that pitch material. When the drums enter, the tempo ratio becomes vertical and the four guitars trade tempos in that 4:5:6:7 ratio every time the opening theme recurs.

Finally, some good music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

>>129319873
you would think that after being hated on by everyone and seeing a post by an obvious lunatic who saves and posts images of mutilated corpses and claims an honest desire to track you down and kill you (even if he lacks the capacity do actually do so), you would maybe think "perhaps I am being a little too annoying" and stop talking

>>129319983
>Jute Gyte
Loved, worshipped, respected here
>>129319999
Based neo classical posting

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>>129320000
>who saves and posts images of mutilated corpses
Oh no!

>>129319999
Checked and correct.
>>129320000
Checked and incorrect.

>>129320000
I thought that image wasn't real

>>129319999
Omg is that phil tougas on the left? That guy reigns supreme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GBY28LTR6k

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Yep, just another norseposter thread I'm afraid, holy schizophrenic spam. Chopin and /metal/ is one hell of a drug.

>>129320030
I hear they have a pretty good bass player, know anything about it?

>>129320035
>schizophrenic spam

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>>129320043
I know a thing or two about First Fragment. Bassist is called Dominic Forest Lapointe. The band is clearly /classical/ approved, if you dont believe me hear this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5g7gJbwxQ

>>129320009
the point is to realize one is clearly severely disliked by the very people he talks to, so that people aren't simply bothered by you but that they actively hate you. i don't know why someone would see they are hated by everyone and still choose to interact with them anyway.

>>129320072
They hate us because they aint us. Based.

>>129320069
Ngl In'El sometimes makes me shed a tear. Beautiful song.

>>129319979
LOL

>>129320069
Holy shit! Any more great tracks by this guy?

>>129320072
>i don't know why someone would see they are hated by everyone and still choose to interact with them anyway.
He has no choice if he wants to interact with people, he has always been instantly hated by everyone wherever he goes.

>>129319909
Correct.

>>129320083
Same, I want it played at my wedding and funeral. Phil Tougas mogs Beethoven into the dirt, fuck the 9th, I need In'el instead.

>>129320090
Of course, I got you bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYaV5ueJjY

Glenn Benton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rpp1-8q2EM

>>129320117
ETERNAL HEILS TO GLENNY BENNY

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>>129320101
>Phil Tougas mogs Beethoven into the dirt, fuck the 9th, I need In'el instead.
MEGA BASED.

Phil Tougas reigns supreme, his fretboard alchemy transcending mortal coils to forge symphonies of unyielding brilliance! Shithoven could never.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhr2HVRt0G0

>>129320128
Correct.

>has a complete melty over a single chopin joke
>brings his /metal/ schizo friends over to raid /classical/
jesus, what a freakshow

>>129320117
Utterlly baldcore.
>>129320128
Shining hair of brilliant length and density.

What are Arrau's best works?

>>129320154
Indians often have anger issues and need to bring groups over to fight since they are so malnurished and weak. Also explains the Chopin fanaticism.

>5. Berlioz - Les Troyens
I have no idea why the boomers at TC rate this so highly.

>>129320209
If ever a musician needed a poet, it is Berlioz, and it is his misfortune that he always adapts his poet to his own musical whim, arranging now Shakespeare, now Goethe, to suit his own purpose. He needs a poet to fill him through and through, a poet who is driven by ecstasy to violate him, and who is to him what man is to woman.

>>129320141
neoclassical metal is classical.

>>129320231
Phil Tougas is a modern day composer who accended to the higher plane of classical godhood. God bless him and his musical masterpieces. HEIL.

So what is going on here?

>>129320275
the /metal/charlatan is what is going on here
>goes from posting pseudo intellectual essays 24/7 to spamming and replying to himself over a single post

Anyone who rushes in to explain the situation is the purpose who caused it and just wants to damage control, every time.

>>129320283
I see.

>>129320258
Janny, why do you delete this and leave the reams of actual spam, eceleb gossip, and metal?

>>129320346
If you want the actual truth its that norseposter (the guy obsessed with spamming the thread about "/metal/slopper charlatan" and constantly getting banned for it) went over to /metal/ and made them raid us >>129319827. And he did this because of a single joke aimed at Chopin >>129319708, yes, he is this schizophrenic and fragile.

Chopin is alright but if thats your favorite composer youre probably a feminine man

>>129320389
The Chopincels and Wagnersister stand together in trans solidarity.

>>129320424
Correct.

>>129320374
incorrect on every account, you're constantly falseflagging and you're a literal textbook definition of a sociopath.

>>129320505
>you're constantly falseflagging and you're a literal textbook definition of a sociopath.
Is that why you change your grammar constantly and pretend to be different people?

>>129320554
thank you sociopath charlatan, continue lurking over at >>>/metal/

Phil Tougas about the early flamenco metal scene in Montreal, Quebec (direct quotation):
>Turns out that, pretty much everybody were so-called "wankers", they were pro-shred, they were Bach fans, we cultivated this rich ensemble of influences

Is there a flowchart or something with the best albums of classical? Im new to the genre.

>>129320763
I've seen a couple smaller ones posted. I'd recommend these two copypastas I often post:
>>129311803
>>129311951
and this post
>>128927112

And then of course the TC Top lists as a resource
https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/

Between these, it's enough to get you some solid grounding in addition to help you find your own way in figuring out how to discover popular recordings and find new ones.

And of course, for any particular work, you can always ask here about favorite recordings. All that said, maybe one day when I'm feeling especially full of energy I'll help make a new chart.

>>129320177
you mean his best recordings? Beethoven's piano sonatas + piano concertos, Chopin's Nocturnes + anything else Chopin, Debussy's Preludes + Images, Brahms' piano concertos

>>129320763
There are couple of chart yes, but I don't have them/I don't like them. I'm going to make one soon myself. Perhaps even today, and maybe I'll keep adding stuff if others chime in.

>>129320839
>>129321057
inb4 flame war because of disagreements over which recordings to include

>you're an idiot if you like Karajan's Beethoven
>Chailly's? LOL
>excuse me, no did Beethoven good after Leibowitz
>fuck off hissfag, Blomstedt's is the best
>I think Barenboim would be a nice choice for the chart if not Karajan
>t. noob ^

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>>129321103
I was thinking about disagreement with Karajan's Beethoven before you even posted that

flowchart using only living conductors + musicians or I'M DONE POSTING

>>129320839
I don't really get the recommendation sheet thats just a load of romantic symphonies. Personally I would recommend different eras, and use shorter forms.
>hey guize I'm nu
>>ok nufag heres 20 different hour long symphonies you'll think all sond the same and provide you no way to learn forms
>t-thanks

Flowcharts aren't needed because literally all you have to do is go onto Amazon, filter by CD & Vinyl, search the work you're interested in, and pick one of the popular results. It's that easy.

Let's try with searching "beethoven symphonies", we get on the first page of results:
>Karajan
>Dorati
>Barenboim
>Szell
>Blomstedt/Gewandhaus
>Kleiber 5th + 7th
>Bernstein/Vienna
>Gunter Wand
>Herreweghe (okay, sometimes you get questionable choices primarily because they're newer and the algorithm wants to promote it, but you can tell by the only 10 reviews, it's not the one to choose if you're a newbie anyway)
>Haitink/LSO
>Scherchen
>Vanska
>Paul Kletzki

Plenty of great places to start, lots of solid options to compare between.

>>129321256
Smells like a post from stinky /metal/shitter tourist, but I'll bite.
No, none of these symphonies sound the same, I could tell Tchaikovsky's and Bruckner's symphonies from just an 2 second excerpt when I was getting into classical. Some of us genuinely enjoy this music, maybe start listening to some music yourself anon?

>>129321256
...only the first line is for symphonies, wat. You're talking about that first copypasta, right?

And true it's romantic focused but only because statistically, that's the best place to start for trying to get someone into classical. If they're not into that, they can always come back and ask for what they want.

>>129321292
>no Walter
>no Monteux
>no Fricsay

Bleh

>>129321292
>Let's try with searching "beethoven symphonies", we get on the first page of results:
>Karajan
good way to turn yourself off beethoven, yeah

>>129321310
While I'll grant Walter's set isn't a bad place to start, I'm not suggesting one should go with those first page results and then never ever look for another recording again, it's only a starting place. And those are all better starting places than the three you named, which are more the kind that someone comes looking for once they've been introduced to the music and want something from that time period/older in the tradition.

>>129321329
-_-

>>129321295
>when I was getting into classical
You mean last year when you came from /metal/? Remember that time you came over to /classical/ asked for a rec, and then the same day you spammed it on /metal/ talking about how your taste was so superior? LOL!

Ask others for schumann reccomendations:
https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122525378/#q122559879
Then go on /metal/ acting superior and posting the violin sonata 2 you were told to listen to
https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122560249/#q122563518

Loving Every Laugh.

Is it just me or did anyone else only listen to like 4 Beethoven sets and that's it?
The symphonies are long enough already, listening to more set seems like torture to me. Individual symphonies sure, but sets turn me off.
I can't even reasonably compare sets unless I go symphony by symphony, or even movement by movement.

>>129321310
btw if you search "beethoven symphony 9" the Fricsay/BPO recording is the top result so chill

>>129321399
I just skip over the 1st, 2nd, and 4th if that's what you're asking. The rest of the symphonies are always worth listening to again, so what's the issue?

>oh no I have to listen to Beethoven's masterpiece 6th :(((
?

On that note, Schumann's Carnaval Op. 9 is so fuckin' good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELPD6FVylA
or newer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_KszUWZ3Ac

>>129321309
>You're talking about that first copypasta, right?
Yeah but most are just going to go top down.

Personally I would suggest smaller forms like classical rondo, arias, tenary romantic preludes, themes and variations, baroque passacaglia. That sort of thing, its easy to digest and gives you a glimpse into each composers style and the era they are from without having some monster hour long multi movement piece shat onto them.

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>>129321256
The ideal way is to just start with Bach and/or Mozart. Bach's cantatas are filled with lovely, instantly captivating melodies

https://youtu.be/R4oPkiOwq28
https://youtu.be/Q4XsbWWsJbw
https://youtu.be/4yZBAIkHiyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4fKfMowGIk

If someone hears Zion hört die Wächter singen and does not enjoy it, I cannot really imagine them liking any other kind of classical music.

Same thing with Mozart, his piano concertos are also great works to get someone listening to classical music.

https://youtu.be/4EiP_FW7_AE

Same as with Bach, if they do not enjoy the D Minor concerto, it's hard to imagine them liking other kinds of classical music.

>>129321309
>And true it's romantic focused but only because statistically, that's the best place to start for trying to get someone into classical.
I disagree tremendously. I love romantic music but Bruckner would absolutely be too much for someone who is just starting out. Most of /mu/ struggles with listening to albums longer than 39 minutes, you really think that they are gonna be able to sit down and listen to an hour and 20 minutes of music with no program to latch onto?

>>129321387
alright thats pretty embarassing honestly

>>129321451
It's just a handy starting place, not homework, they can't confined to it. Plus, let's be real, most people when first getting into classical are gonna be most interested in symphonies.

>Yeah but most are just going to go top down.
That's your reply? It's obviously sorted by form, lol.

>>129321463
I've considered dropping Bruckner from it but last time I asked someone replied and said not to. It's really just something I wrote in the spur-of-the-moment. If you wanna write a better one, feel free. And nothing says they have to like each work or even listen to every one. But yes, I do get your point on Bruckner.

>>129321472
>It's obviously sorted by form, lol.
Non-classical music doesn't have forms, they have albums and songs. If you don't know anything why wouldn't you just start listening to whatever is at the top of the list? Your list is like a list made for someone already into the genre IMO.

That being said, I myself would never make a newfag helping list, nor do I bother helping them at all because imo its a waste of time. So naturally I consneed that I'm just bitching about something I don't even really care about.

I'm new to this general, why are there so many schizo posters. Im so confused

>>129321560
How would you feel if your favorite band hadn't released a new album in 300 years?

>>129321560
Its what Chopin and black metal does to a mfer on estrogen

>>129321560
it's just one /metal/tourist who recently arrived and is causing a ruckus. he will now tell you otherwise, because he's a genuine schizophrenic and a sociopath. ignore any and all posts containing alkan, medtner, fortepiano and pseudo-intellectualism, and you're fine.

>>129321589
>it's just one /metal/tourist who recently arrived and is causing a ruckus.
True, you did indeed just sail in during late 2024 and embarassed yourself on /metal/ much before that >>129321387

Still one of your best moments, cracks me the fuck up.

>>129321620
Aren't you the person copy pasting spam posts?

>>129321560
you know a general is weird when the animeposter isn't the most embarassing autist

>>129319273
Depends. What works/composers do you like?

>>129321633
Yes, but the poor Indian can't seem to grasp that, it would be cognitive dissonance if his poor poo mind could even comprehend his own actions to begin with.

>>129321633
no, i barely even come here because his schizo-spamming is unbearable. he's constantly replying to himself and writing long ignorant essays about things he does not understand. an extreme case of dunninf-kruger combined with sociopathy and schizophrenia.

>>129321678
Just ignore/skim over their posts.

>>129321678
Why did you change your grammar for this post again, Iass? Over here you captalize >>129321295. Do you like pretending to be different characters to samefag more?
>i barely even come here
Pretty sure you've subjected us to your spam each and every single day for the past month now. I mean have you even missed one day, or been gone longer than 16 hours straight?

>>129321696
would work, if everyone did so. unfortunately this general is literally equivalent of a used toiled paper as long as the shit lingers on.
>>129321705
>>129321662
excellent schizo-spam it's time to return >>>/metal/

>>129321705
he definitely hasn't been gone for more than a day, can confirm the mass deletations and shitfests everytime i tab back into this thread

Anyway, Smetana.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RNLJsomURE

>>129321696
Asking an Chopindian to not spam a thread in an asshurt fit of curry rage is simply an impossible request I'm afraid.

>>129321716
>I'm saving da general by spamming it1!!!1!11
The Indian mind being guided by black metal listening sure is a curious one. Maybe all that shireking is why you're angry all the time.

>>129321718
No rest for the brahmin saar, we spam everyday and listen to the Chopin saar.

If you like the following
>chopin
>beethoven
>fifths
>orchestra
>romantislop composers
We don't want you here.

4 Ips : the general

The sociopathy continues:
>>129321843
>>129321874

>>129321874
Chopin, channa masala, and HRT is a thing to behold.

>One guy, ONE guy manages to mentally dominate, mindbreak an entire general
How does he do it bros?

sociopathic imitation called and confirmed >>129321894
worst thing that has ever happened to this general

>>129321910
>>129319979

>>129321910
>>129321928
sociopathic samefagging from one charlatan, take it to >>>/metal/

any other composer like Adam Kalmbach?

>>129321910
King of all shitheaps. Fucking legend.

>>129321983
Correct. Yet another Hectorian Victory.

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Been seeing this Daniil Trifonov guy popping up, he looks like they just pulled him from the streets of Nizhny Novgorod and gave him a bottle of vodka to play

https://voca.ro/1om8iFQ0vnYS

>>129322011
>Trifonov
His Hammerklavier adagio is so slow I nearly died of old age before it finished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuUfidaqEZw
snooze fest

Trifecta of hated composers here : Wagner, Beethoven and Chopin.

>>129322011
he looked like an emo prettyboy when he was young

i like satie

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>>129322074
Yeah I see that, I kind of dig the sleazeball alcoholic pianist look though, like the drunken master

>>129322034
>>129322059
Not a race fellas

>>129322112
Yeah but its not a nap either.

Stokowski is a hack and hated here. Same for Go*ld

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>not listening to napcore
couldnt be me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXcGORjWte8

>>129322011
yes, he's been sporting the hobo look for a while now

Thank you for the Cliquespam. 10 shekels have been deposited to your bank account

Karajan makes me uncomfortable with how often he is doing a nazi salute in pictures

We hate conductors here

>>129322090
Satie isn't even classical

>>129322139
Thank you for the Slop

>>129322139
So this is what they meant by the Brahms fog...

>>129321387
lol

aren't you ashamed of wasting your lives here? how about we learn to compose instead?

>>129321910
Is there any general he can't dominate with surface-skimmed knowledge and semantic trickery?

>>129322576
I am ashamed but I have grown comfortable in my shame. So I don't feel any motivation to change even though rationally I know that I should.

>>129322586
KEK

for Schnabel's Beethoven cycle, what is the best sounding release? Naxos, Pearl or Pristine?

>>129322737
Pearl

>>129322847
and which one sounds the worst? for the complete hiss experience

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Any pieces that end on a diminished 9th?

>>129322576
>how about we learn to compose instead
I no longer have the motivation for that. Even though I have a lot of free time, I don't do anything anymore. I'm ashamed of it, but it's as if I don't even care about not being productive anymore.
>>129322603
Pretty much the same.

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>>129322872
lol. "Mozart sonata"

Good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Qx6w2XUbU

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if only

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Any Gorecki enjoyers? 3rd symphony is so eerie and pretty, wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MkjkoNo92I

>>129323109
Merde.

>>129323133
?

I've now listened to four Mozart operas and the only arias that have stood out to me are Der Vogelfänger and the Queen of the Night aria, and that's mainly because I already knew those. Are his operas overrated? I mean it's nice music, but I was kind of expecting something more.

>>129323139
>When the Polish composer Henryk Górecki's Third Symphony, his "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs", was played for the very first time at a festival in France, it went down terribly. Appallingly, in fact. The senior French musician sitting next to Górecki, probably the composer and conductor Pierre Boulez, the doyen of the international avant-garde, shouted: "Merde!" The critics called it "decadent trash" and "endless". Why? Because Górecki's repetitions of simple melodies and harmonies, and his setting of movingly "sorrowful" texts about motherhood and loss for solo soprano were heard as a sentimental, slushy sellout.

These threads are unbearable now, another filled with spam in 8 hours.

Saluting the Satie posts.
>>129322090
>>129322366
One day I will make a Satie thread for us.

>>129309546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzxPQrP3dzo&list=OLAK5uy_kTi0sucUy2SflbM62KF-ZGuNkeoXd_VfQ&index=15
Gotta love the Sarabandes, will have to listen to the whole album.

>>129257887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQu7lGGhoeg
Despite the cool name, The Dreamy Fish isn't a memorable piece for me. It's supposedly trying to imitate Debussy, which I'm not hearing at all, probably any other Satie piece sounds more like Debussy. Or maybe I haven't listened to the right Debussy, or I only listened to the right Debussy. Sounds more like his conservatoire work, disjointed and protracted, with a bit of ragtime influence.

>what does Fazil Say from a million threads ago
Quite a basic bitch album, with just the Gymnopédies and Gnossiennes, with some Debussy, which wasn't bad, but nothing special.

>Frederic "Federico Mompou" Mompou Dencausse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjy5TjR3D1c
Probably the most similar composer to Satie. Still doesn't quite get it right, sometimes too dry, other times too much, but worth a listen

>>129323180
Yet it's more beautiful than anything Boulez composed (and frankly, conducted). Gorecki might becone one of my favorite contemporary composers.

>>129323211
>These threads are unbearable now
>Saluting the Satie posts.
lol.

>>129323234
Newfag post

>>129323180
holy based Boulez

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>Emanuel Bach, Haydn and Mozart had established the structural laws of sonata form for all time. It was the outcome of a compromise which the spirit of German music reached with that of Italian music. It acquired its external character from the way it was used: the pianist used the sonata to present himself to the public in order to delight them with his dexterity and to entertain them agreeably as a musician. We are no longer speaking of Sebastian Bach assembling his congregation in front of the organ in church, or summoning a connoisseur or colleague to a competition; a wide gap separated the wonderful master of fugue from those who cultivated the sonata. They learned the art of fugue as a means of consolidating their musical studies but applied it to the sonata only as a learned device. The raw consequences of pure counterpoint gave place to pleasure in stable eurhythmics: only the completion of its pattern in the sense of Italian euphony appeared to meet the demands of the music.

>>129323211
>Probably the most similar composer to Satie. Still doesn't quite get it right, sometimes too dry, other times too much, but worth a listen
Neat, I'll check Mompou out.

>>129323066
;_;

>>129323159
There's some mindblowing stuff in Figaro and Magic Flute.

>>129322576
You are already doing that better by being here than in a lot of places

>>129323180
>The senior French musician sitting next to Górecki, probably the composer and conductor Pierre Boulez, the doyen of the international avant-garde, shouted: "Merde!"
The image of this just made me laugh so hard.

>Górecki's repetitions of simple melodies and harmonies, and his setting of movingly "sorrowful" texts about motherhood and loss for solo soprano were heard as a sentimental, slushy sellout.
"wtf this sounds good, i hate it!"

>>129323434
I've watched those two and my mind remains thoroughly unblown, though I admit that Figaro was great entertainment.

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For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Gershwin's Porgy and Bess conducted by Simon Rattle (almost went with the Maazel recording but I haven't quite liked his opera conducting much so maybe next time).

opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzEYOcpnSI&list=OLAK5uy_kmTrZMj72eDbOUPHbaKp_o34o7mD5ECkY&index=2

vocal movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17cqw53TDo&list=OLAK5uy_kmTrZMj72eDbOUPHbaKp_o34o7mD5ECkY&index=4

also, kinda nuts how the second movement, this one, has 4.1m plays on YouTube/YouTube Music (compared to ~1.5k-3k for the rest), must be from a movie or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXXtmNiauC4&list=OLAK5uy_kmTrZMj72eDbOUPHbaKp_o34o7mD5ECkY&index=3

Langsam, Wozzeck, langsam!

>>129323446
I can't agree with that anon. Sure a lot of classical enjoyment outside is more artificial than here, and its a good hobby but it's still not nearly as a good job as actually practicing my instrument.

>>129323509
Peter! You cannot buy your peace.
You'll never stop the gossips' talk
With all the fish from out the sea.
We were mistaken to have dreamed...
Peter! We've failed. We've failed...

I listened to the Gardner Peter Grimes recording last night before bed and I loved it so much.

>>129323243
Whoops meant to reply to >>129323211

>>129323520
You don't practice your instrument here?

>>129323560
you mean indirectly?

>>129323560
I practice my magic flute here all the time.

>>129322576
I have zero inclination to compose nor perform music in any capacity. I do, however, wish I spent more time writing and reading literature than I do listening to music currently and browsing here, which go hand-in-hand, as browsing here is often merely a byproduct of listening to music. I should cutback on this artform. I'm hooked. Severely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vttSgfKlHHE
Wunderlich recorded this kitsch but not Winterreise.

Classical music every day

>>129323616
>white, educated and cultured snoop dogg

I wish I was happy

>>129318834
I like these

>>129323639
Anyone with a heart and soul ought to!

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the Vagner meme