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>TQ:

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>>97466900
>TQ
They need to reprint this fucker already, I never got a foil when my friend and I were cracking JP boxes for Liliana and now it's stupid expensive

>>97466912
Wait, this is actually really good. Why doesn't this enter tapped?

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in every deck

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>>97466900

>>97466900
I miss gA edition

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>>97466900
>TQ
If you're in black, and care anything about getting commander damage/triggers in, then there is no reason not to be playing this. It's expensive now, but I still hardly see it.

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I have nearly killed myself with it when I got mana screwed, but the haste really can be make or break.

>>97466900
>TQ
Basics, unironically. I should not get as many free wins with Price of Progress as I do.

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Pathway lands. Come in untapped in whatever colour you need.

>>97467008
>>97466574
>>97466630
>>97466653
>>97466657
>>97466724
Thanks for advice last thread guys. I think I'm just take those cards to my locals and sell them for store credit, then figure out what deck to play.

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>>97467032
I'm biased because it was my first deck but pirate tribal is fun and decently strong.
It also has a precon that is very cheap as a base and cheap to upgrade.

>>97467066
>Pirates
Eh. Are there any Wizard decks? Or mages?

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>>97467139
Wizards is a pretty robust creature type with lots of options. Personally if that's what you like I'd recommend Kuja.

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>>97467150
and the back side

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>>97467139
or if you'd rather focus less on damage and more on control then I like Azami

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Managed to snag the Mothman secret lair. I want to make him; what should I add? I want to focus on counters and mill of course.

(I wanted to just buy the precon but I'm not spending $200 on maybe $90 in cards)

These are just cards I happened to have in my binder, haven't sifted through my bulk yet.

https://archidekt.com/decks/19474850/moth_man_owned_cards

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>TQ

>>97467150
>the best wizard commanders aren't mono blue
i fucking hate wizards of the coast

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>>97467150
wotc has some weird takes on things.
Shaman tribal rocks

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>>97466900

>>97467150
>>97467152
>>97467163
What about from Bloomburrow? I really like the art from those cards. Teferi or Jace? Is that too basic? I recognize Jace as the poster boy for the game.

>>97467204
Planeswalkers can't be commanders unless it says on their card that they can.

>>97467204
Otter from that set seem wizard-y to me

>>97467166
Underground sea. Also, chains of mephistopheles.

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>>97467204
Alaina might be the one for you then

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>>97467152

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>>97467222
The squirrels are cooler than the otters.

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There's a couple cards this deck could still use if I really wanted to perfect it, but for the time being I think I'm finally content with leaving it as-is. I'm pleased with how many decision trees there are deckbuilding-wise for Errant & Giada, even when you're focused on flash.

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>>97467166
edhrec is that way lil bro

>>97467236
Trees are green anon, I dont see any.

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>running a Bill Ferny deck with Urza in the 99 as a stealth commander

>>97467240
it's a precon commander, it's 80% just the precon cards

>>97467266
Yes.

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>cheap (mana)
>cheap (money)
>unblockable
>rogue
>looter
>with upside
But is it worth introducing day and night into a game just for this?

>>97467219
>>97467222
>>97467235
Something I'm also interested in is playing a lot of cards that feature art of my Commander, what kind of decks can I do that in?

>>97467282
Donatello

>>97467266
use the deck filters

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>>97467282
Spider-man

>>97467282
...the UB precons, honestly.
Magic doesn't really have lore or story or noteworthy characters. Most named characters might appear on 2-3 cards in a set, if even that.

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>>97466917
My brother; I think we were separated at birth.

>TQ survivors camp in my ‘Kalamax: Oops what spells?’ Is a powerhouse staple and part of the permanent 50/100. Emergence Zone is the other; but admittedly it’s close to being cut when I’ve got stuck on 1 fetchland 1 emergence zone after mulligans.

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>>97467297
NTA, have you tried Arcane Denial in Kalamax? I go back and forth on it being useful tech or too cute. In theory when Kalamax is tapped you Arcane Denial any spell someone casts, then the copy targets your Arcane Denial. Copy resolves first, you draw three cards on the next upkeep for 1U at instant speed.

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>>97467282
You could do one of the flip planeswalkers that start out as a creature and theme the deck around them, but unlike yugioh archetypes the cards won't necessarily be designed to work together.

>>97467281
Introducing day/night is also upside, anon. It annoys other people.

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retro or booba lady? or 1x of each?

>>97467331
retro booba

>>97466900
>tq
Homeward Path nigga. Theftshit is cancer and gay.

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>>97467351
woops forgot image

>>97467356
yeah this doesnt do it for me at all

>>97467166
>coming to a mtg thread to discuss deck building
sorry anon, this threads just for batching about UB and black people on trading cards

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>>97467365
Fuck that, let's talk deck building.

If I'm going to be a supreme dickwad and run Eldrazi, what's the best way to do it? Zhulodok as the commander with tons of ramp/rocks and all the big nasty titans? Or smaller Eldrazi with Ulalek to copy spam them?

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>>97467166
You don't want greaves, shroud makes you unable to put counters on mothman. Consuming aberration doesn't count as mill for triggering mothman.
I usually find that mothman grows fast enough without needing much dedicated +1+1 counter or proliferate support. He's kill on sight, so I prefer to put in more protection for him.
Syr Konrad belongs in any deck with mindcrank.
Cards with flashback or other ways to recur themselves are your friend.
Tinybones Joins Up, Alter of the Brood, the crabs, and those enchantments that make people mill when you draw a card are good ways to get repeated mill outside of radiation.
And whenever mothman comes up I like to mention my personal spicy pick. Mothman can target your opponents' creatures.

>>97467283
>>97467289
But Wizards...

>>>97467293
>Magic doesn't really have lore or story or noteworthy characters. Most named characters might appear on 2-3 cards in a set, if even that.
That sucks.

>>97467387
Also meant for >>97467314

>>97467166
Basking Broodscale
Duskshell Crawler
Cursed Wombat
Winding Constrictor
Bred for the Hunt
Benthic Biomancer
Fathom Mage
Ripples of Potential
Wave Goodbye
Drown in the Loch
Basking Broodscale

Those are some cheap cards that come to mind.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>97467371
Neither. Run the titans as a payoff in a mystic forge style deck, preferably blue, so you can also use crazed tutors for complicated nonsense. Alternatively, in a KCI deck run glaring fleshraker to make tons of eldrazi AND burn people AND play more eldrazi.

>>97467443
>glaring fleshraker
I love that dude like you wouldn't believe.
>cheap
>pings the table
>give you chump blockers or more mana
>can be copied by Ulalek and Echoes of Eternity

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>>97467293
>>97467387
it didn't use to be like this, when we had blocks there was room to show the fewer legendaries doing stuff. the narrative was shifting towards planeswalkers doing things either way, because they're the only thing the narrative designers had between blocks

you can use the tagger site to check what cards have art of what characters. alania is not on any other cards, though there is an "alania's " other card. https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/artwork/alania

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>>97467311
Of course! it’s in the pool of instants I pick random 50 out of, you don’t have to wait til an opponent casts, you can cast a non-instant spell and hold priority and cast arcane denial on your own spell; doing as you said to draw the 3, it’s good to do after an extra turn spell so you refill with gas before your next big turn. It can be a cheeky uncounterable (more or less) counterspell in a pinch with a huge downside obviously but, I’ll take an opponent drawing 2 over resolving an entwined Tooth and Nail.

Have you played Vivi’s Persistence in Kalamax?? HOLY MOLEY. It’s so strong I want to make it part of the core 50 but that breaks the central theme so can’t do it.

My theme is 49 non instants 50 instants, and all instants shuffled from a pool of idk how many now it’s almost 2/3 a fat pack box. Deck is perfect in my opinion as far as interactive and fun to play but I admit, I wish I had fewer foreign cards as playing the deck feels a little schizophrenic at times. And yes it’s completely biased, opinion based and entirely correct.

Mono Green Thrun the Last Troll Voltron is my secret deck don’t tell anyone.

>>97467463
Want my secret technology? Run him with genesis chamber. Every colourless spell will ping twice and make two bodies.

>>97467484
Sorry, doesnt ping twice, I have more secret technology, but it does make 2 dudes.

>>97467477
I remember they tried doing something like that with Core Set 19 (?) with Chandra.

>>97467477
It's still a thing, depending on the legendary in question.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Akellan

>>97467495
they did it with all the poster planeswalkers. chandra as a type does ultimately have the most direct support of all the walkers, at the seeming end of all that.

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>>97467480
I haven't updated the deck beyond one or two odd cards in years, so I'm not up to speed on the new instants. That definitely looks very good for the deck but the only card UB card I've been willing to play is Out of the Tombs.

These are what I'm running currently, but I might swap Ashling's Command over Prismari Command because making a copy of Kalamax to save him from removal sounds funny. Unexpected Assistance is also interesting just because convoke lets Kalamax be tapped in cases where combat isn't safe, but I already have Springleaf Drum and Sorcerer Class for that.

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>>97467495
It was 20

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>opponent drops his BBC (pic related) onto the table before the game starts
How do you react?

>>97467331
>classic kino or the most trooncore UB
Is there even a choice? Old border every time.

>>97467540
where are his nipples

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>>97467331
Robots

>>97467540
If we are playing bracket 3 politely tell him to go to another table because he's obviously playing bracket 4 mld.

>>97467577
How is Windgrace MLD?

>>97467586
I've played against Windgrace since 2018. It's always been mld. If a Windgrace player plays Mending of Dominaria, just know that you're about to get mld'd. Strip mine loops also do it.

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>>97467616
the only MLD in mine is Planetary Annhilation

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>>97466900
>>TQ
>What's a land you feel more people should play?
The extra turn land

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I HATE MODERN HORIZONS
I HATE MODERN HORIZONS

>>97467626
I do as well but it gave me Grist so I have to cut it at least a little slack

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Trees in the mail today. Have to finish making Garland, Royal Kidnapper first though.

>>97467653
Fuck you

>>97467510
All seems good to me, mana leak seems a little weak. An offer you can refuse would be easy upgrade imo if you need counter magic, or Giantfall also good, gets rid of whatever you need to attack in or the ensnaring bridge

>>97467662
Why?

>>97467653
>left is WBG
>right is BGW
This is bothering me

>>97467681
lorywn was the last set with wonky ordering before shards of alara codified how shards and wedges should appear on cards

>>97467669
Mana leak is mostly there as a cheap counter before I have a value engine online that still benefits from being doubled, but Giantfall is also reasonable and I've got one laying around. Good callout.

>currently building my first mono red EDH deck
>have no idea which commander it will be
>just throwing down cards and sorting them out by category
>trying to narrow down to 61-62
Wish me luck, bros.

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>>97467653
hey my mail showed up as well

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This is what I currently have bought so far for the commander deck

https://moxfield.com/decks/IKXVilvf5EG0bZdiXmv24w

And this is the list of cards I could buy to complete the deck (all suggestions welcome, as I'm lacking black cards or maybe there better options that I don´t know)

https://moxfield.com/decks/SvlTVuQps0aSWI6kq4qNGA

I am having doubts on what to cut on the list, as there are many cards that I could use, but idk which ones would be the best for the deck ...and I still need to add lands.

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>>97467690
sorry not shards but khans because things like numot were still being printed with wonky pip ordering in 2011

>>97467708
Nice.

>people playing moth man and morcant ITT
PLEASE someone show me an interesting deck!

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>>97467477
It seems like Jace Beleren has a ton of cards with him in the artwork, is it common for people to make Jace a commander and then fill the deck with "his" cards?

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>>97467749
Also who is Nicol Bolas? I thought Jace was one of the strongest guys. I actually have a Nicol Bolas card though.

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>>97467767
he's a dragon and one of the most featured villains in the lore

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>>97467747
You like games?

>>97467749
>>97467767
if you're still the ygo player from last thread a thing you need to know is that mtg sucks at building their own ip
jace was meant to be the poster boy of mtg but for various reasons could never commit to him, we haven't even been to his home plane of vryn yet
jace did get a pivotal moment in the latest arc and nicol bolas is a big bad boss character all the way from 1994, honestly that's all you really need to know about them

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Idk why I always struggle with mana. I have 37 lands and it's like I'm cursed or something because in my pod I never seem to draw lands consistently. Either I draw less than 5 lands by turn 6 or I get mana flooded and nothing to play.

Also, I become the target very soon, as my pod already knows how to get around Elenda by exiling her or simply not blocking. But mostly because I run the infinite combo (Exquisite Blood + Vito) [I don´t have sanguine bond)]

The main strat is lifegain by sacrificing things, BUT most cards I don´t want to sacrifice because they help the drain combo (blood artist, cruel celebrant)

Another strat is making my vamps bigger with Cordial Vamp, or trying to make tokens with Charismatic Conqueror (which my friends hate and never give me the token)

Is there something I'm missing to unlock her full potential?

https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQ

Also, the Stars captcha sucks so bad (pun intended)

>>97467785
respectable

>>97467767
Jace gonna join the long line of jobber villain in the upcoming set

>>97467803
You aren't running enough card draw in your decks if land variance matters this much to you. See more cards, care less about any one card

To be honest Jace getting monster girl pussy is the best thing WotC do in the recent year for average mtg player's designated self-insert.

>>97467749
>is it common for people to make Jace a commander and then fill the deck with "his" cards?
no
maybe if you started out playing 60 card during an earlier core set, this could have seemed like a good idea given all the Jace's Whatevers running around then, but there's not enough of those for EDH. somehow, as said earlier, there IS for chandra, but they don't have actually good creatures to be commanders. it's just a flavor choice.
>>97467767
what made you think he he's str- ok, hang on
jace was gassed up super hard for most of the writing starting in zendikar, but he was mocked by players because he's the personification of that "apologies my friend. as an INTJ, I find these illogical actions of yours to be amusing." meme. at best. at worst he's "dumb writer tries to write smart character." he also had one of the most centralizing cards to ever feature in 60-card with Mind Sculptor, which -har har- left a bit of a psychic scar on the playerbase.
bolas has been a villain since nearly the beginning of the game and is one of the original Elder Dragons that Highlander is named for. he has been the villainous force for everything that wasn't phyrexia for a number of years, and lost relatively recently when he staged a full scale cross-planar invasion. he's probably coming back soon.

>>97467803
I'm no expert, but from a quick glance I'm seeing too little cheap draw, and too little draw in general.
also, I don't think a deck like yours even needs ramp or mana rocks since you run a lot of cheap stuff.
I would probably replace some of the mana rocks with cheap draw like night's whisper. Then I would start sorting out creatures that never did anything for you and look for even more draw.

>>97467803

>>97467825 here. Yeah, I was fucking right about you not having enough card draw. You have exactly four cards which draw you cards, and one of them only draws you one card. Cut four bad creatures for a Dark Confidant, a Crossway Troublemakers, a Sign in Blood, and a Greed.

>>97467845
>Dark Confidant
great stuff, especially for lifegain decks with lots of cheap spells

>>97467850
We need more bobs in the game, I think there are only four true bobs and I need a bob tribal deck something fierce.

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Reminder

>>97467851
bob, batbob, the enchantment, there's an inspired bob, duskmantle seer, horse, raid bob, stronghold arena,
keen duelist, the spider man enchantment that keen duelists any two players,
that one sorin,
ad naus sort of

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This card is slept on. At least for decks that discard/sacrifice their own lands or want to reuse fetch-type lands.

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>>97467868
been completely replaced in my decks

>>97466986
I love this thing in my Odric. The permanent haste is great. It's also just kind of funny that it can end up doing more damage to you than anything else.

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>>97466986
in a similar vain

>>97467902
Based Pair o' Dice appreciator. It being instant speed is legitimately crazy. Also gets back Boseiju.

>>97467358
uh oh FAGGOT detected

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>tq
should be in every single deck under the sun.
people apparently no idea how good this land is.

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>>97467559
>ff
>trooncore
huh?

>>97467969
You're missing a very important part.
>FF XIV

>>97467969
Troon just means "thing I dislike"

>>97467959
shh don’t tell them, let them think they are good at the game lmao

>>97467973
No Final Fantasy is massively popular with trannies. Q14 in particular. Even the troons joke about how having an account is a sign youre a troon

>>97467987
Your proofs?

>>97467959
>>97467979
>3 mana to tutor a land
I wouldn’t even pay 1 mana to tutor a land. I have better things to be doing. Play Evolving Wilds if you need mana fixing. Otherwise what land is so important to 100% of your decks that youre essentially going to run 2 copies of it by including a tutor?

>>97467987
No, troons are dying for acceptance and try to coopt literally anything popular.
effect, not cause.

>>97467845
>>97467842

I cut out crossway because its expensive af (5B)
I also have Twilight Profet, but idk if that one is good enough wihout having City's Blessing

I'll buy Read the bones and other cheap draw (3 mana or less)

I have Keen Duelist, may start using her, but I just have few cards who put +1/+1 counters for her to draw me cards, but I'll try using her

Now that card draw is out of the way... do I need to run reanimation spells? or maybe more things that create tokens to sacrifice?

>>97467994
This is either bait or you are incredibly new. Either way off the top of my head
>field of the dead
>glacial chasm
>urza's saga
>nykthos
>valakut
>cabal coffers
>phyrexian tower
>academy ruins

>>97468012
I also have some other Black cards that I could use, but I want to make a Mono Black Vito deck, so I try to separate them...

https://moxfield.com/decks/YfqM-bq4u0q-3OfNun1vig

I guess I'll use what I have into the Elenda in the meanwhile

>>97467993
>give me proof of an Internet meme!!!! this definitely is NOT an attempt to derail your point by saying no amount of evidence is enough

>>>/vg/555658072
Here ya go. They’re talking about changing their appearance IRL, doing “twirls” in the mirror, dickgirls, and HRT in this thread
Now what?

>>97468013
None of those are worth running in most decks
>Field of the Dead
In particular lmao. Unless you’re playing landfall what does this do for you exactly?
>if I play lands with all different names
>and get 6 others on board
>I get a WHOLE 2/2 token
Wooooah holy shiiiiiit the craziest turn 7 play woaaaah

>>97468033
>/vg/
sorry faggot, your crossposting doesn't count.

>>97468039
Yeah yeah I Jew it was a lazy attempt to derail the point. Why do you even pretend otherwise?

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>>97468039
I play 14 and he is right, it's absolutely the most infested game of the series

>>97468044
you can't derail shitposting, dumb faggot.
Besides, im not even the one who demanded proof, expecting anything but more esl mouthbreathing from you is a joke.

>>97468047
Not a shitpost. Like i said, even troons joke about FF14 being a troon game. Sorry I didn’t save every meme I ever saw about it. You do not have to believe me, I do not care. Your disbelief disproves nothing and you are simply mad that I am right

>>97468062
>ewww ff is troonbait
>not shitposting
kill yourself.

>>97468065
>FF is troonbait
>”why?”
>lot of trannies play FF14
>”prove it”
>okay, even on 4chan this FF14 thread is full of people talking about transitioning
>”that doesn’t count for some reason!!!!”
We done here?

>>97468071
pay attention to what I just typed.
>Besides, im not even the one who demanded proof
You really are just a dumb, esl faggot. So yes, we're done here. shitskin.

>>97468075
>pay attention to what I just typed
>"ff" instead of 14
we know, you've mastered the 2nd grader art of pretending to forget the previous sentence in a conversation.

>>97468037
getting a 2/2 for playing a land is 1000x better than not getting a 2/2 for playing a land.
Simple as.

>>97468081
aaaawww look at you attempt to mask you esl as pedantry, that's so pathetic.

>>97468075
>say something stupid
>get told how stupid it was
>”t-t-that wasn’t me, I just chose to die on the hill for someone else!!!”
Sure.

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Is this a 2 card combo? My friends say it doesn't belong in bracket 3 but IMO they are just salty, it literally uses 3 cards

Meanwhile Finale of Devastation uses 1 card and wins the game on the spot

>>97468090
I'm >>97468046, not >>97468071, I just plain think you're being a fuckwad on purpose.

>>97468089
Sorry buddy but the game ended 2 turns ago

>>97468097
next time don't greentext what didn't happen when we can all see otherwise.

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Favorite 'last words' text?

>>97468102
Do you think its difficult to get field of the dead online by turn 4? You don't even need to be in green to do it.

>>97468111
Lhurgoyf

>>97468111
"Ach! Hans, run! It’s the lhurgoyf!"

>>97468037
>None of those are worth running in most decks
Every single deck can benefit from at least one of those lands. What are you even talking about?

>>97468109
Cry about it

>>97468122
Oh this should be good. Go ahead and tell us the line anon, I’m sure it’s completely reasonable, not a waste of mana, and can be slotted into any deck right? After all this entire argument is over running Urzas Cave in 100% of decks and FoD was an example of a card to tutor with it

>>97468138
I accept your concession.

>>97468138
I dissect your obsession.

>>97468138
I direct your abortion.

>>97468138
I'm inured from your aggression.

>>97467868
>at begging of your upkeep/precombat main phase

Is there any more disheartening text in the game than this?

>>97467987
As opposed to Magic's player base which is strictly hyper straight gigachads

>>97468013
I'm jealous of your pod where you can sit there fucking around not doing anything and wasting mana on nonsense to play with a bunch of do nothing meme cards though let's be real, you don't play games you just theory craft.

I don't hate black people. I just hate da homos.

>>97468266
https://youtu.be/FqMODweN8lQ

>>97468285
>he relaxed

what are the smallest card sleeves I can buy ? I'm talking like half the size of mtg sleeves. I want to show up to game night with a retardely tiny proxy deck.

>>97468376
Maybe try stamp sleeves?

>>97467653
Poor Doran. Good pick up though. Post Garland list when you've finished it.

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>>97468394
good idea anon, thanks. too bad they all are clear, but I guess I can just cut some thick colored paper for the backsides.

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>>97468037
Urza's Saga is one of the most bullshit OP cards ever printed
It's good in every artifact deck in every format where it's legal, and in EDH you don't even have to worry about it saccing itself because LITERALLY EVERY DECK has at least one good target for it

>>97467681
>>97468423
Isn't it meant to be his Shadowmoor version?

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>>97467994
EW can't fetch filterland which is the superior mana fixer

>>97468544
why are some of these 5 cents and others 50 dollars FACT

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this card is funny with ognis

>>97468636
he cute

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>>97467681
Here you go.

>>97468469
Yes, but that has nothing to do with pip order.

>>97468098
if I use green's sun zenith for a thassa's oracle, then use demonic consultation, does that make it a 3 card combo?

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>>97469009
I sure will call the judge for that illegal play

>>97469009
Not him, but I'd argue that to be different because you can go off without the GSZ in that equation. Boonweaver + Gift doesn't do anything itself without a sac outlet, which necessitates a third card of some kind.

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I activate Metalworker and reveal... a Memnite.

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>>97468098
this is an early game 2 card combo.

>>97469018
>which necessitates a third card of some kind.
which third card? cast boonweaver (1 card) > cast blasting station (1 card) > win the game with 2 cards

>>97468037
Field of the dead is outrageously strong, and I understand reading the card doesnt convey it's power level, but it has been supremely powerful in every format its been legal in, and it can absolutely end a game because it doesnt make one 2/2 every turn, it usually makes 5-10.

But more to the point, tutoring a land is CRAZED, especially to the battlefield, even when tapped. That anon listed some stupid lands with a few good ones but missed some of the best. Entire decks are built around Cradle. Mishra's workshop is legal. So is Bazaar. Cavern of souls is a staple, as is shelldock isle. Urzatron isnt 3 lands at random, it's two with that "this land is every land type" card. Talon Gates is a combo piece. Minamo goes in every deck, as does strip mine. I'm partial to Inkmoth, but that's situational.

I can continue listing broken fuckbusted insane lands, but it really seems like you are a person with limited experience. Would I run cave? No, not really outside of specific decks. Would I run 1 (Sorcery) "Tutor a land to your hand"? Yes. Every single deck would.

>>97468098
Nah, they're being stupid. It's also a bajillion mana.

>>97469016
[Laughs in Painter's Servant]

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Damn

>>97469216
While yes, cheeks, THAT'S NOT HOW ARM ANATOMY WORKS :(

>>97469228
It's also a spirit, it spits on your rules of anatomy.

>>97469228
I'm actually mad now. I can't see anything wrong with em

>>97468098
its a 3 card combo, costs a ton of mana, and literally any interaction interrupts it
your friends are retarded

>>97468098
yes, but it also slow and costs a tonne of mana unless you cheat it out. why do they think it doesn't belong in bracket 3?

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>>97469258
AIIIEEEE

>>97469272
The tricep is one muscle. The delts go from like the collar bone in a cap that comes to a point just beyond where the tricep and bicep connect to the bone. The delts are drawn like pauldrons, there is an extra piece at the end where the tricep connects to the bracheus, and underneath the tricep near the lats, though I know it's confusing for an artist. I'll accept symmetrical triceps, but that's wrong too.

>>97469323
>tricep is one muscle
Sorry, I was INCENSED WITH RAGE, but one structure.

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Am I stupid or is this insanely good in the blight precon?

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>glaring fleshraker
>pic rel
>instantly win

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>>97469538
>cast

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>>97469538
Not so fast, library diddler

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The sexiest card from Lorwyn.

I really don't undestand the point of high power commander games
Me and my guys play mostly with precons/bracket 2 stuff cause we don't want to invest too much and even if games do drag out everyone has a chance at winning and there's lots of comeback and board fighting action
I tried out playing at a "serious" table and all games were over by turn 3 with some bullshit tutor combo, we did a bunch of games but they all ended up with the first guy comboing out everyone else (usually whithin the first 3 rounds of the game)
Where's the fun in that, i was looking to improve and build up my decks but if that's all it boils down to i'd rather stay at the level i'm at

>>97468046
>I play 14
Play is a strong word, 14 is not even a game.

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>>97469634
>library diddler

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What's your favorite tribe, and why is it your favorite?

>>97469654
Do you want me to tell you and make you feel bad for being new and bad, or are you just here to vent? If the later, no worries, we all have to learn sometime.

>>97469654
having played Yugioh recently, I can say with full confidence that some people like playing OTK solitaire counterspells.
Honestly I don't think theres a single CEDH player that, if exposed to yugioh, would continue playing cedh.

>>97469722
You do not know enough about magic or yugioh to make a statement like that.

>>97469570
>Whenever another colorless creature you control ENTERS, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.

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>>97469698
demons, by far
I love how they all look like super muscular, purely evil entities that you don't wanna fuck with. I also like the recent support they got, stuff like Speed Demon and Ardyn really helped pushing them over the edge for me.

>>97467371
Jhoira of the Ghitu

>>97469736
Having played edh since 2010, cedh for he last 4 years and currently climbing in master duel. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

>keep running out of cards
>run over 15 draw effects
I just go BANG BANG BANG and suddenly I'm busy topdecking lands

>some MtG player died so now we all have to put up with influencers pretending they knew who the fuck he was before he was in the news

>>97469940
Was it that tranny elk? Did it finally splatter its brains all over the floor?

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>>97468098
Even if it was a 2 card combo (its not) if it comes down on or after turn 6, its perfectly fine for bracket 3. Tell your buds to get fucked.

>>97469940
lmao I just saw it on my german imageboard
I can't name a single tcg player by name, and I hope it stays that way. I don't even know the name of the professor, even tho I respect him for encouraging people to use proxy lands for 3 color decks.

>>97469698
I like Pyrexian Germs, they cute
Dragons are intro-to-fantasy tier, dinos are IRL (dead) dragon
I also like hellions and wurms, they amuse me

>>97469764
Yes. But you have to do math, and casting the artifacts to make more bots is the only practical part.

The average deck has 65 nonland cards in it. Of those 65, one is the thing and one is fleshraker, and a varying number are mana sources. Of the 34 lands, there are 22, but technically 19 because two are artifacts that become lands, and one is arena exclusive or whatever. That means 15 lands are nonartifacts, minimum. Of those remaining lands, 7 enter untapped, but they are generally limited by colour fixing, so we'll accept the premise you're in 5 c playing all the artifact lands. In order to cast it, you need six mana, and six more mana to tap it. In magical christmasland that means 6 turns, then another turn, and 6 cards that arent artifacts, plus the thing. That also means 5 cards are in your hand, plus the 6th you draw on the turn you tap it, and for the sake of argument all those are nonartifacts. That means there are 3 nonartifacts in your deck still, and 82 artifacts, which sounds reasonable, and that's in a perfect scenario. If someone has 84 life and can stop you from attacking for four turns, you just die.

So, we get into the second part. Some of those lands may be artifacts; likely more than half. Some of the cards will be artifacts. Each artifact you play subtracts from the total, and if 43 artifacts are displaced and no one does any damage, you cannot kill the table. More than likely, you will need nonartifacts, but even if you dont, you still need a way to get your thing to cast it. If in randomization it is deeper than 57 cards, you cannot win, assuming all the cards remaining are artifacts and your opponents are at 40 life, which you have no way of knowing. If you are tutoring, you're either adding nonartifacts or removing artifacts. Same with card draw and ramp. These can not be more than 42 cards total, assuming lands 17 cards required to be nonartifacts as part of the total of the 82 remaining cards (15 lands plus the two combo)
cont

>>97469764
>>97470000
A conventional artifact deck has approximately 30 discrete artifacts plus lands. You need at minimum 40 IN YOUR DECK when popping off, which is super high. You draw 7 cards assuming to hit all of your land drops and both cards, which means 14 total cards are excluded, and if we assume 60 cards are artifacts for arguments sake (lands plus 40 artifacts) on average you will have 5.6ish artifacts in those 40 cards and 55 artifacts remaing. That means you can play/ mill/draw no more than 15 artifacts in terms of interaction and set up, assuming all the remaining cards are artifacts. If 60 cards are artifacts that means you have 60.60606060% of any given card being an artifact but a 39.4% chance of any remaining card being a nonartifact each additional card you see, so in the magical christmasland you have on average 50.904 artifacts remaining. Then ON AVERAGE using more than 10 artifacts means you cannot do the thing.

In short, you need to cast the artifacts or this whole silly thing will not work.

>>97469946
Splattered something all over the inside of his diaper, that’s for sure

>>97469956
The professor doesn't have a name due to some kind of birth defect

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>>97469907
Gross. Enjoying the new banlist update? But that makes it even sillier if I'm being real. Yugioh has 10 (technically 11 or 12) zones for cards on the feild divided by type and no mulligans or resources beyond cards in the requisite area. Magic has a bunch of resources and ways to interact with your opponents resources; yugioh is either get your boss monster or your floodgate and gg.

Now the most compelling part of yugioh? Stax. I was playing Diabalos and just straight fate sealing people with the 2000 attack sacrifice deck devestation virus thing. Can't do that in magic. Luv me sum Danger! Darkworld.

>>97470071
*braps out Dark Ruler No More*
Heh... nice boss monster.

>>97469654
I was the arch enemy at my friend's table when we used to play bracket 3 goodstuff. when I started to play a budget bracket 2 deck on the regular and had not a single win at several commander nights in a row while still having fun, everyone started to build low power budget decks too.
there is something really enjoyable about those tooth and nail fights with retarded mechanics. last night my friend with the highest losing streak of all of us won several games with a draft chaff commander he threw together the night before. don't know when I saw him this happy the last time.

>>97470102
Personally, I nibiru, (and used to King Calamity) but I admire your gumption.

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>>97470125
Nibiru? More like Nibricku! Haha!

>>97470071
isn't shaddolls stax, or is it 100% shaddolls-but-also-joan-of-arc now or whatever she is?

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>>97468111

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Command zone worthy?

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>>97469953
heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3 and it's the same mana cost
you can even deploy heliod on turn 3 to setup the combo for later, exactly the same as blasting station
how are they different?

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>>97470150
Honestly? Most things in yugioh are the type of stax that would make a loam pox player blush. This guy reads "time walk with upside".

>>97470176
No. But it is legacy worthy.

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>>97468098
>all these replies saying that this is OK in bracket 3
good thing I don't play with any of you retards

https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22experience+counter%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
At what point do I make a WUBRG Experience counter proliferate deck

>>97470187
>heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3

>>97470187
It's not the same cost. It's 2W+4+1W and two cards. Boonweaver is 6W+3 and three cards. It should also be fine, but dorks do stupid math where they count the mana across multiple turns as faster because they're doing this curve-over-turns-as-efficiency nonsense.

>>97469199
Whats the play lines to get that many 2/2s every turn?

>>97470176
Yes easily

>>97469386
Yes. With persist too

>>97470232
Scapeshift. Splendid reclaimation with fetches. You dont make that many every turn, you make them all at once the moment field resolves, but there are A LOT of ways of doing it.

>>97466917
Hard agree. Costs way too much cash, but Flash is one of the strongest ability's IMO

>>97470217
I've tried, it's KIND of doable with Azlask as the commander, but honestly we need a few more experience counter cards using cards. You just don't have enough redundancy if someone kills the few cards in your deck that use them other than your commander.

>>97466917
>>97470303
Am I missing something? It's 5$.

>>97470323
Must be Europoors.

>>97470071
Eh, I think the argument falls a little flat when you realize that Magic only gives certain colors access to certain interaction points in a sizeable amount. Yu-Gi-Oh pretty much every deck can run massive amounts of interaction and still do their thing. Regardless this is some apples to oranges level shit.

>>97470187
>heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3
Yes, it is, assuming you have the selfcontrol to wait until turn 6 to windmill slam it or at the very least tell the pod of 3s its in there and can come down before turn 6 but not usually.

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Intentionally playing your deck suboptimally doesn't change its bracket

>>97470214
>Massively expensive easily interrupt able 3 card jank combo isn't acceptable for bracket 3
That's good, I don't want to play with a retard.

>>97469323
I’m pretty sure that you’re seeing a tunic or jerkin or something. The spirit is clearly clothed.

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>>97469538
Wtf that's disgusting. That's just an auto win with this

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>>97470339
I mean at this point interaction in YGO completely mogs MtG interaction even accounting for how much better YGO creatures are. Cecil, Dark Knight is a damning example of this where Cut Down rotated so now he literally can't be answered in Standard on-curve. There's many cards like Stormchaser's Talent that just instantly make more bodies when they enter, which at 1 mana means they literally can't be answered 1:1 without going first and drawing a counterspell. There's a reason YGO has had blind second decks ever since Evenly Matched while Magic has never had any decks that consistently chose to go second and the winrate gap between play/draw keeps getting bigger (it's as large as 65% in game 1 rn)

>>97470364
>Jank
>Tutor to play + Blasting Station

>>97467767
Bolas is Ugin's gay lover

>>97470323
Im just a jew and dont want to play 5 for a uncommon land. I do have a few though because flash is probably my favorite sneaky jew mechanic

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>>97467767
Bolas is one of many resident homosexual dragons of MtG. He has repressed romantic feelings towards Ugin and recently came out of the closet.

>>97470391
Yes. I you seem to be having an issue understanding what words mean, probably because you are of low skill level, but that's an assumption.

>>97470383
I agree with most things, but in real formats, chosing to go second means you're playing DREDGE and is a neon flashing sign that says "go to sideboard".

>>97470459
Damn bro didn't know you thought Blasting Station was jank. Maybe I should introduce you to KCI and Grinding Station for more "jank".

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>>97470470
Those are also jank. I'm not sure why you think they arent unless you are like... just not playing wincons and hoping whatever cards you topdeck eventually win the game.

"Optimal" is about 7 or 8 things, none of which are KCI or grinding station or blasting station. Sounds like you have a terminal case of limited scope.

>>97470469
>Real formats
>Dredge blind second
Damn didn't know they unbanned Grave-Troll and instead banned every looting/rummage effect.

>>97470486
Until recently there was a fairly strong untieres dredge deck in both modern and legacy. Oops is generally more consistent and easier in legacy, and the fuck do I know about modern I think it's just all amulet titan and energy, but it's absolutely strong, absolutely goes second, and will only be stronger as reanimator and oops get limited by the meta; it was just limited by no "transformative sideboard" and incidental hate.

Dredge has always been a fearsome deck in any format with Bazaar.

>>97470504
There is exactly one format with Bazaar legal and Dredge doesn't need (or want) to go second there. They just mulligan until Bazaar is in their opening hand.

>>97470362
Arguing about brackets is the clearest indicator that the closest thing you have to a friend are the people who tolerate you at your LGS.

>>97467704
I had a similar issue when trying to build mono red for the first time. Have you decided on who you want to build?

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>>97470529
Hmmm, do they want to go second... lately I thought it was galaxy brained +1 raw card in decks that have free interaction and limited card advantage, but those decks dont really care about going first either if they can be fast. Either way, look at this sick deck from a tournament in october.

>>97470544
I accept your concession

Brackets are bad for the format and bans should have been left to Rule 0 or at most encouraged as LGS/pod decisions. All they do is cause the most seething bickering imaginable over B2-B4 and a lot of loser cope.

>>97470553
NTA but I built Purphrous 2.0. Very fun deck, and can easily be switched out for Tannuk. Really fun finding ways to keep the creatures/ getting repeated death triggers / a bit of reanimation also. You basically build the board up the first 3 turns with stuff like erratic portal, Flameshadow conjuring, etc then go ape shit with the commanders sneak attack ability

>>97470578
It’s funny how this post has morphed into a clear concession over time. Getting it out of one of you retards is almost as gratifying as smug anime replies used to be.

>>97467704

immodane
ashling
ojer whats-his-name
krenko
zada
purphoros
lathliss
gilgamesh

>>97470585
Oh sorry my Time Vault deck was too strong I'll bring Flash Hulk next time.

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>>97470605
Both of those are illegal in all brackets, and flash hulk isnt even good in the current meta.

>>97470595
? You cant just run a cEDH deck and then say well its a b3 because I held all my cards in hand until t6 you clown.

>>97470585
Especially because cEDH is so specific and it’s a problem that solves itself in more casual play. If you don’t like what a deck does, just stop playing against it. All the bracket serves to do is turn you into a sneaky Jew who decides to try to find a slightly more broken technicality i. A way that will cause even more seething and bickering between people you’re supposed to be having fun with.

>>97470484
Post deck. YOUR decks, any of them

>>97470621
You said bans should be left to r0. You failed to state that Time Vault was on the r0 banlist so I brought Time Vault untap.

>>97470585
>Brackets are bad for commander because they give a decent framework to understand the power of your deck and the powers of the decks of people you are playing against to best give you a more accurate amount of information for a pleasurable game playing experience and to sniff out pubstompers and disingenuous people during the rule 0.
Shoot yourself with a .22 to build up an immunity to small caliber bullets.

>>97470622
Technically, if you dont break the rules you can. The rules are 0-3 game changers and no mld or whatever. So, if you follow those rules and wait until t6, it is what it is, other than some elaborate nebulous this or that.

>>97470622
Yes I can, you’ll probably just whinge about it like you are right now. You can barely stand without a walker. What are gonna do? Tell the game store owner on me?

The entire point of brackets is to facilitate the existence of the Game Changer list so they can keep chase cards desirable while placating the whiners. If you imagine anything else, congratulations! You’re a useful idiot.

>>97470635
In what situation are you sniffing people out? Even in your made up fantasy, you’re a creep. You just want socially endorsed language to rulesfag and cry about some edge case when you lose.

You can just get up and walk away from people you don’t want to play with, you don’t need a pretense to do so.

>>97470650
Did the little grey men tell you this? Did they beam it to you through radio waves in your fillings?

>>97470656
I see you are legitimately retarded and do not use or ever understand the concept of a rule 0 pregame discussion.

>>97470323
$5 uncommon with one printing that came before booster fun so the foil is like $80 (cheapest TCGplayer listing right now)

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>>97470629
And then what? What does that have to do with anything other than a mad anon being upset that he doesnt know what "jank" means who is going to be mad about whatever I post, and is trying to set up some weird binary gotcha to compensate?

>>97470677
So just...don't buy the foil. Can't really complain about price when you're trying to buy a premium version.

>>97470674
I’ve just known how to have a discussion like that since before brackets were a thing because I’m not a fotm bandwagon fag who thinks this is a format worth conflating with my ego. You can talk about why and how you’re playing, and shit you don’t like without needing to say daddy WotC banned it.

For most people who have actual friends, that sort of shit is implied, really. If some fag shows up to tutor Maralen and Teferi’s as more than a gag while everyone is trying to chill and have beers, you just kick him off the table until he plays something else. It’s not rocket science.

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>>97470707
>"they need to reprint this so the foil is cheaper"
>"just don't buy the foil LOL"

>>97470566
I see the theory but it really just doesn't measure up to how good going first is. The tempo is just too good.

>>97470677
>falling for the foil meme

>>97470726
Ah, I missed the word foil in the original post, I thought the complaint was about the price in general. I was thinking it had hit Wan Shi Tong or Toph, Earthbending Master prices for a regular version or something.

>>97470661
The system has introduced more problems and confusion than it has resolved, without there ever having been a need for it in the first place. They wanted a soft ban list so that they would be able to keep printing pushed cards without losing the casual audience entirely.

>>97470633
That was another anon but if you’re bringing shit to play in bad faith it’s not a loss when I simply don’t play with you. Go home and grab something else or spend all night seething about it online, what do I care? You brought something to intentionally fuck with the vibes.

What happens with brackets is you bring aforementioned 3-card combo and everyone spends all night debating whether or not to allow it per the (((official guidelines))) instead of getting to the heart of the issue and multiple people leave bitter and lesser for the discussion to go home and seethe online all night. Case in point: This topic.

>>97470760
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>97470759
Still pissed Toph is so expensive but I know I'm gonna have to bite the bullet eventually.

>>97470772
Okay anon. You can pack up and go home because nobody else is at the LGS :)

>>97470787
At least you're not an FFXIV lover like me who has to get assreamed for the Snapcaster reprint...it can always be worse. It's literally the only card I'm missing to have a copy of all of them in foil.

>>97470760
>The system has introduced more problems and confusion than it has resolved, without there ever having been a need for it in the first place.
Bold claim with 0 proof.
The only issue is has is from retards without phones being retards.
Which, clearly (you) are.

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>>97470591
>Purphrous 2
I hadn't thought of that one. I ended up with Ivora when I finally settled on a mono red. Let me use the various discard draw stuff red has gotten over the years and I really enjoyed how low to the ground and quick she scales. Ended up having a similar sub theme of reanimation too. Purphoros 2 does look cool though and I've got a bunch of extra red stuff left over that should work for him and the itch to try another mono red.

>>97470795
Not an issue if you have friends, but in the interest of humoring you: If it’s between playing duel commander someone in bad faith and going home to jerk it to tall women lifting heavy objects, it’s no loss for me to choose the latter.

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>>97470796
I'm a FF fag in general but the prices on a lot of the art treatments being driven up by people that don't play Magic have stopped me from getting a lot of cards I want. Thankfully some have settled down like pic related, but at the same time the chocobo track foils are all still pricey.

>>97470787
Why the fuck did she end up so expensive anyway? None of the other experience Avatar cards are that expensive.

>>97470808
My only guess is her experience counters come from landfall or maybe it was a printing issue? Otherwise I have no fucking clue.

>>97470807
I don't even want all the various printings, I just want one copy of each unique card because the set ended up being a perfect immortalization of ARR -> Endwalker, which was probably my favorite FF story (thank God they didn't print Dawntrail shit on any of the cards).

>>97470808
Bad combo of Jumpstart mythic+Super good card+popular character. She's unironically a self-contained earthbending engine which makes any landfall deck even better.

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>>97470830
Oh right. I forgot she's the landfall trigger. That makes a lot more sense. The rest are like a dollar to maybe ten so seeing Toph eclipse then so much stood out a lot at first.

>>97470802
This is a problem. The discussion is a problem; specifically the online bickering. Your attitude is a problem. The egoism of being good at this but not at that, then saying this is better than that because feelings are problems. The skill ceiling of lower brackets are problems. Stagnating and minimizing anything stronger for ideological purposes is a problem. The unintuitive vague rules that have no specific definition regardless of what Gavin says are a problem. A deck with 4 game changers being the same as a real deck built to fuck in bracket 4 are problems.

And these are the result of a half measure community system based on the loud opinions of people who dont spend money, dont play the format, and will be mad about literally anything. And to top it all off, I've never seen anyone in person care, good players will always be better regardless of the rules, and this is the silly looney tunes format for happy fun times with tournaments exclusively at the top end so it doesnt make a difference at all, other than in the lives of scrubs trying to minmax things they dont like instead of adapting or simply enjoying what they say they enjoy.

/rant

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>>97468098
If you have to ask if it's bracket 3, then it's not bracket 3

>>97470852
You're right but this thread is literally full of people who can't make friends despite playing the casual format of a game popular among people who have low standards so don't expect a lot of validation. These are the kinds of people who live to have bad faith arguments about rules and therefore love guidelines like brackets.

>>97470852
>Being called out for poor reading comprehension is YOUR problem.
No, it's yours. Brackets are logical and easily readable. Suggesting otherwise makes (you) a retard.
Deal with it.