40 dollars credit got randomly added to my LGS account. what should i buy?

>>97472531
the mothra reskin of luminous broodmoth.

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How can we save Magic the Gathering?

>>97472556
WWE Universes Beyond.

>>97472556
by not buying the product

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>>97472513
i put this guy in my urabrask brawl deck
doubles burn spells, doubles cantrips
five mana is a lot for that deck but as long as he's actually in play he's great

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I dare say this didn't age very well.

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>>97462530

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>>97472685
>bad card cards

>>97472685
>Commander that large
Even here it’s over…

>>97472685
We gotta get some new material this is fucked up. Can't we invent some kind of new format to talk about?

>>97472556
By continuing to not buy any product, of course. We all know that companies love to listen to the people who don't give them money.

>>97472685
>Slop that big
KEK

>>97472513
I remember when Llanowar Elves were gone from the Standard for a while as it was too "good". NuWOTC sucketh eggs.

>>97472685
>chris help

Trust me in ten years players will be mad about the latest thing and nostalgic about Vivi Cauldron.

>>97472916
ten years? I'd give it five
people have already been nostalgic over OG Eldraine

>>97472531
Riftbound or PokemonTCG product.

>>97472685
>play magic probably white
How accurate

>>97473042
Is it? Probably asian more like.

>>97472685
>completely retarded unplayable turtles

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Pigs eat slop.

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>>97472680
Why? The joke is still funny.
>>97472928
OG eldraine was ok without the banned cards (oko,ouat,etc). Bonecrusher, the R&G artifacts, the shit knight tribal, the enchantments deck were miles better than what we have now. It was a somewhat slow format.

>>97473307
>OG eldraine was ok without the banned cards (oko,ouat,etc)
I'm dying to know, anon. How many cards do you think got banned from Eldraine in Standard alone, without looking it up?

>>97473307
OG Eldraine had cards that got banned in standard and eternal formats. And the ones that didn't get banned more or less defined standard until rotation and afterward, pioneer. The fact that a card like Embercleave was lowish in powerlevel among all the Eldraine cards was all you needed to know, it was the Monstrous Rage of its time.

>>97473196
fucking WOULD

>>97472556

I know a way but unfortunately it isn't legal to describe here.

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>>97473196
This is a basic technique in sales. I guarantee you that crusty old white guys have been saying that shit for decades, if not more.

>>97473430
It's literally the entire Trump playbook.

>>97473332
7 the number of god and 1 for each card type.

I rather have Oko, the original, and Uro and Winota than Donatello, Aang and Spock

>>97473568
Spock is based.

I’m 90% sure premodern shilling is from a bunch of people who stocked up on the staples beforehand. The spam on here is to sell it even more. Just a fucking scam for retards. Fuck premodern. Fuck UB. Fuck commander. Play cube.

I've never played Magic but my friend showed me a bunch of stuff from a set called Bloomburrow, and I was winding for how much longer it's going to be a legal set? All of the little animals are cute so I think I'll try the game out.

>>97473941
Next year. In Standard that is. It's forever legal in every* other format.

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>>97472513
>TQ
>underestimate
The fact that any tribe that isn't elementals is capable of doing well (goblins have won a couple small tournaments, but that still counts) was a pleasant surprise to see. Even elves don't have any recent representation on mtgtop8.
>overestimate
I'm kinda surprised Lasting Tarfire doesn't have any decks on mtgtop8 yet. So many counters are getting thrown around that you'd think something that can theoretically shock every turn would be pretty good. Maybe it's because it doesn't make anything and it only hits at the end of each turn.

>>97473941
My friend made his cube have cute creatures that were all quite strong for when femoids play. Personally I hate playing with women. But I'm stuck in a miserable marriage where I hate my fat retard wife. I'd leave but we have kids.

My only outlet is magic but even that is being fucked and raped by corporate cunts.

>parachute sets
Fucking clown.

>>97474068
>any tribe that isn't elementals
I don't get what they were smoking to think that "cmc 4+" was a good theme for a tribe when mostly printing members of that tribe at cmc 3 and below.

>>97472531
nothing other than sealed product unless you want to overpay for a suboptimal printing based on inventory

>>97472513
>TQ
It appears I underestimated Rimefire Torque but somewhere deep down I know this thing is going to end up 4of in something incredibly overpowered and probably be $30+ within a few years

>>97474150
overestimated*

>>97473702
He would be if he came as Spock - Legendary Creature in stead of
>Spock, Kobiyashi Designer
>Spock, the Science Officer
>Spock, the First Officer
>Spock, the Goatee'd
>Spock, Vulcan Ambassador
>Spock, Across Timelines
>Spock, the Pon-farr Pozzed
etc.

>>97474150
make a janky UR goblin deck with instant and sorcery spells that make gobbo tokens. gobbos trigger the the torque, the torque copies your spells to put more counters on the torque. the windup is too hard to pull off and the payoff isn't worth it, it isn't for anything except kitchen table unfortunately. there may be a suboptimal standard brew somewhere for it to slot in but it isn't really the kind of card that will shape a format.

>>97473912
the format is so boring. people don't appreciate how dull rishadan port is

>>97474178
like anything else that's been 4of in the last ten years, all it takes is a way to cheat it in while feeding the engine for it to go from lame to busted

>>97473912
So exactly what commander was before WotC took over the money engine by reprinting the staples.
It's always been like this, and if you want to navel-gaze, you could say it's true of any grassroots movement. It's always the nobility sitting on depreciating assets who fabricate a flimsy call to the masses to buy into their cause so they can either make a quick buck or corner a new market.

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>>97474094
FIN had a pretty similar one and it was super strong. It's basically extra scaling value for your little dudes.

>>97472685
>black bigger than white
you just know

>>97474191
it is too slow. i would rather just use a reverberate to copy a spell than pay the two mana on an earlier turn and then have to charge it up before being able to copy a spell. it would be fun in edh in a wizard deck or a talrand deck, but 4-of formats have way better ways of winning the game faster and more reliably. needing to stick to a single creature type, needing to charge it up, needing to be both a creature and spellslinger type deck... too many hoops for a real competitive deck.

>>97474241
yeah, maybe

>>97474215
>that flavor text
goddamn it

>>97474256
i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just don't see it working out.

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I really have tried to like it but this game genuinely fucking sucks and might be the worst tabletop game in the world.
It's Multiplayer Solitaire. All the fun of Solitaire, except 50% of the game you get to wait and watch the other guy play solitaire. It's garbage, son.

>>97474308
play limited if you want a real game of magic and not solitaire.

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>>97471253
did you forget to check the sleeves for me, anon?

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>>97472556
Uma Musume Universes Beyond

>>97474325
Going from competitive solitaire, to a cobbled together shit pit is not an improvement. Limited is worse than constructed.

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>>97472556
Founding Fathers UB

>>97474664
If it's exactly the same thing as Start Your Engines! it should just be called Start Your Engines!

How has new Lorwyn srt affected tribal decks? Are they good finally? Or are they still shit?
Wish my zom-bros were viable in modern.

>>97474723
Congratulations, you've identified why Start Your Engines! and For Mirrodin! are shitty names for mechanics.

>>97471885
holy moly bro wasn't lying >>>/pol/527382456

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>>97474724
Goblins are now tribal-aristocrats hybrid, elementals play like how dragon tribal decks usually play (lots of ramp, cheating and scamming), and everything else is broadly aggro with combo synergies via the convoke rares. The only deck that has seen serious competitive play has been elementals, but goblins have seen lower-level tournament success. While not really a tribal deck, dimir has developed a bit of a faeries subtheme now that the WOE faerie spells now have more enablers.

>>97474754
craziest happening since mana crypt was banned from edh

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>>97474754
I still don’t know what mtg card this is related to. I looked up moot but this is all I found. Are the ents diddling children?

Im so sick of "mtg sucks" posts. You know what game doesnt have ub? You know what game isnt solitaire? Yugioh. Go to the yugioh thread and complain about mtg there

I bought ink eyes today because she's sexy

>>97473430
>>97473484
>white are to blame for [thing]
>politics out of nowhere
hhmmmm

>>97474173
>>Spock, the Pon-farr Pozzed
you mean "Spocka" right?

>>97474902
which version

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>>97474933
this one

>>97474902
What about her statue?

>>97474738
>Saddle and Crew
>Could've been called Mount, still applicable and is living or inanimate agnostic

>For Mirrodin
>Could've been an actual non-shit use of the word Rally for something like "Rally a 1/1 Red Survivor" or something, but no gotta make it about the pun


How's how they can make excellent decisions and absolutely drop the ball when it comes to mechanics they want to use (and in some circumstances, can't use because of said fuck up)?

>>97474953
I don't have a resin printer

>>97474981
Reasonable. I got very lucky seeing an ebay auction for one in very good condition for its age (all parts, one arm had broken but been repaired well) and am a dumb enough ratfucker to spend $600 on it.

>>97474951
im running 2 in a dimir ninjas, shes still respectable with ninjitsu cost reduction.

>>97474963
when has wotc made an "excellent decision" say, over the last 15years?

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is there a place to get really good quality sleeves with custom imagery?

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What the fuck am i supposed to build with these shitty ass pulls?

>>97475367
>playing hearthstone with lands

>>97475325
I am fond of the Masters sets and Tarkir, but other than that yeah you're right.

Did anyone else see that image of Bolas getting femdommed by a YuGiOh dragon?

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>>97475334
Your options are limited to
Dragon Shield, which forces you to have a white border and the DS logo at the bottom
Alibaba printers, which require you to have a MOQ of 2000 or something
Taobao custom printers, which can do small batches but aren't good quality

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>>97475525
Bolas is in jeffry epstein colors, so he probably enjoyed it and got three black mana

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>>97475334
dragon shield customs are good but as >>97475660 said they force a white border. For what it's worth the logo is tiny and you can customize what border you want kinda
here's a picture of the last customs I got
also they usually send 10-15 extras beyond the number you ordered so that's cool

>>97472685
>literally Lorwyn came cope

which color/combination is most whimsypilled

i'm going with izzet

>>97475741
Izzet is a mistake.
We need Purple to be Izzet police because is clear JOTC are unable of not making the color combination broken

>Sunderflock decks were the answer to CubRoid all along
/mtg/ was wrong and gay once again

>>97475786
rember when sunderflock was revealed and everyone said it was a bulk mythic only for draft?
I remember

>>97475792
To be fair, it's only good if elementals as a whole managed to be good

That was a big unknown

>>97475786
But I was told Lorwyn didn't have any impact on Standard!

>>97473368
>Embercleave
was ok, a turn 3-4 end game card for red decks
>questing beast
people don't remember but an annoying midrange creature
>goose
Cool mana dork, slow and versatile
>casket
almost every standard has one
>brazen borrower
okey, this one was annoying
>fae of wishes
was played for the sideboard tutoring
>mystical dispute
Mana Leak
>cauldron familiar and Oven
Ok, another retarded combo, but the deck was not near as toxic as vivi or lessons, etc
(but was still shit vs fair decks)
>murderous rider
ok card, people played but it was not that good
>Rankle
sometimes it was good other it was just ok
>Bonecrusher Giant
Good and really cool creature. It became a Staple but it is not a Staple because it is broken but because it is versatile.
>Fervent Champion
ok card.
>Fires of Invention
well, the deck could be annoying but 70% of the times it was just meh. Powerful card nonetheless, got more traction in Theros.
>Robber of the Riches
ok Aggro card, not something crazy good.
>Torbran
cool card but I don't think it saw much play beside some mono red decks (cavalcate was still a thing for the first part of Eldraine in Standard, i think)
>Adventure deck
That was obnoxious before the bans
>Great Henge
ok card.
>Lovestruck beast & Yorvo
Amaze how those cards saw play in standard.
>Drown in the Loch
Really powerfull and annoying
>StoneCoil Serpent
ok card
>Lands
really cool cycle

Eldraine was a cool powerful set, despite the banned cards. It has much of Fire bs but way toned down (considering where we are at).

Kawabunga!

>>97475792
it's a rare tho

>>97474910
no that would go back to being based, the Blight mechanic is fun

>>97474883
>eat your slop, comply or die
chill out asmongold

>>97475950
To evaluate the power of the set and individual cards, count how many are still being played in Pioneer.
>Embercleave. Not played anymore. Seen some play in Gruul Aggro for a bit.
>Questing Beast
Rarely still played in Gruul Aggro or GDevotion.
>Goose
Staple of Sac decsk, generally played all around.
>Casket
Maybe fringe play in some artifact ensoul decks.
>Fae
Still played a lot in all manner of decks.
>Mystical Dispute
Played a lot. Sideboard counter of choice.
>cat oven
Still played a lot.
>murderous rider
Still sees some sideboard play.
>Rankle
Not really
>Bonecrusher Giant
Staple. Deck is red, has to have one.
>Fervent Champion
Hammer Time staple. But not much else.
>Fires of Invention
Only sees play in Enigmatic Incarnation. Archetype itself is fringe at best.
>Robber of the Rich
Only mono red aggro, but used to see play.
>Torbran
Also only in mono red, but really fringe even in the archetype.
>Adventure
Was played for a while a bit. Not anymore.
>Lovestruck
Played in Gruul Aggro. If the deck is played.
>Yorvo
Nope.
>Drown in the Loch
Yeah still sees some fringe play. In mill. In rogues.
>Stonecoil
Only in some of the some artifact decks.

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>>97474308
What format did you play? If legacy or some other combo centric format, then I can understand your problem. Combo decks like storm, enchantress, or any similar extremely linear combo decks have been plagues on the game since day one. Extremely linear aggro decks a well. I think that's your problem. Extremely linear aggro or combo decks. They're both just solitaire decks.

The problem with MTG has generally been that decks can do too well without interaction due to either terrible ideas like storm or by making creatures have too strong abilities and too high of a power relative to their mana cost. It's been made even worse with the shift to a commander oriented philosophy since 2013. If anything, the game needs to go back to having disproportionate strong and cost effective interaction again in standard. i.e.
>swords to plowshares
>counterspell
>fatal push
>lightning bolt even if creature/planeswalker only
>nature's claim
and then bring the creature levels back do to the pre-Ravnica or even pre-Mirrodin levels. Still strong enough to do interesting things with them. Just not strong enough for every single creature to be an immediate threat.

>>97474883
but I don't want to play vintage

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>>97475792
I told you guys. You didn't listen.

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>>97476317
>bounce all opponent's creatures and swing for the win
Did these guys just pick up mtg within the last year? It's no wonder you get so many people who complain about not being able to do anything because counterspells or interaction on this board. You niggers are just garbage players.

>>97475786
>Right back to UR dominance meta
I'm tired boss

>>97476450
Red is the weakest color in commander so it needs more powerful cards

How is ProTour? Worth watching?

>>97476317
I'm not really seeing the line of play. What happens, do you cast Beza and then this? I'm looking at the Elementals in Standard.

>>97476461
no

>>97476485
>line of play
Get elementals into play, at least one or two 3-5 cost elementals in the bunch. Enough to do lifetotal damage. If opponent is playing no elementals, you put down sunderflock to bounce their board for between 2-4 mana then attack for lethal.

>>97476461
>Watching or playing Magic:The Gathering in year of our lord twenty twentysix
LOL
LMAO even.

Just 1 more 4-5 mana sweeper and O-Ring variant white bros and then we'll be meta. Trust the plan!

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>>97476485
Either you run eddymurk and hearth elemental which both get discounted from instant/sorcery spam, or you go ashling and flamebraider to ramp into all the new ECL hybrid evokementals

Oh boy. TMNT looks like ABSOLUTE cinema!

>>97476461
I was watching it. It's awful. I feel stupid for watching it and think I was the dumbest person for ever watching it in the past.

I seriously don't know what the appeal is. None of the casters know the meta to make any meaningful commentary, they're surprised when some decks do something. Granted, I don't know what the fuck the meta is either but it doesn't take a genius to read the card and watch it do the thing. It's shocking that the people in the booth still sound like sappy happy people just like it was with BDM and Hagon. Who the fuck do they want watching this? There are no charismatic casters or players. The players are the saddest sounding people ever. Nassif is there and they haven't shoved the camera in his face and asked him to shit talk anything.

>>97476518
Thank you. It sounds Christmas Land to me but I don't know what's going on. It seems like people are casting Lightning Helixes so those fat elementals would survive.

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>>97476569
It's not really Christmas Land when you're already doing things you should already be doing, such as casting noncreature spells, playing mana dorks (I think another competitive deck plays those...), casting things for an alternative cost, etc. Worst case scenario it's a 9-mana spell after you get wiped, but most of the time your opponent will have wiped themselves as well.

>>97476506
>posting in generals for games he doesn't watch or play
sad

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>>97476569
The UR version is basically just a UR lessons variant, instead of running lessons that pay off with gran gran and that one removal, you get to run better spells which pay off with your big elementals. The other one is basically elemental tribal. Half the evokementals have some sort of removal on ETB so you can deal with aggro, and between cavern of souls, eclipsed realms, ashling, and flamebraider you can actually run 3c or 4c and still enable all those different effects. I've even seen some lists with roaming throne, imo that's actual christmasland but maybe it works.

>>97476780
i have to warn others

>>97476744
>>97476790
I would love to play this if I wanted to play Standard. The run on Elementals has already happened at all the stores in my country. Not that I would have bought the deck but sending instants and sorceries to the yard to ramp is novel to me and would be interesting to learn.

I wish the game was more affordable. I simply don't want to pay $40 for a playset of Stock Up even if I can afford it. People shit on EDH and Pauper players for ramping up the prices but Standard has never been different. I'm sure people are going to be flipping Sunderflock for 400% margin.

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>>97476816
Hopefully SOS will lower the price.

>>97476963
A lot of Magic is hoping the price goes down in X months because Wizards might help. It never does. By the time it goes down for this card, the price of that card goes up. And because this cycle is so predictable, people can buy up and speculate on large swaths of cards because any losses in 10% of cards are offset by the fact Wizards won't reprint the other 90% in anything except a Secret Lair. And now we are extra certain because something like Badgermole Cub has two words in the name and textbox that are almost certainly not licensed beyond this one printing.

WotC should do anime Secret Lairs to try selling for Japan.

If I had any say in this I would make Jujutsu Kaisen Secret Lair... (ride the Hype of the anime)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yb2N3pnztU

Would i be trolling if i play Jeskai control with all these new stuff?

>>97474173
I will make a mirror universe deck

>>97474173
Im so ready for at least 3 Kirk cards...
And Q Planeswalker obviously with an ability that wins you the game instantly.

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Picrel is due for a reprint with new art, I can't believe they've printed it nearly a dozen times and have just stuck with this ugly art depicting some nig's back for the entire time

So, now that the dust has settled, was Lorwyn Eclipsed as underpowered and forgettable as everyone here was convinced it would be?

>>97477706
honestly, yeah. it's pretty lame except for those hybrid evoke elementals and hexing squelcher. i like mutable explorer and twilight diviner as well, but they are kind of nothing burgers.

>>97477706
Look at PT. They intentionally fucking the only good set of the year.

>>97477706
The precons are full of cool new toys, the was fun in limited and I personally got a few cards to throw into a bunch of decks. Don't know if bad at evaluating or just pot stirring.

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>>97477706
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/standard-challenge-32-2026-01-30#paper
it has a lot of playables, this is from the latest standard challenge

>>97477839
nonono you have to believe me, it's a shit set, don't look at the numbers, give up on UW, consume UB

>>97477706
>So, now that the dust has settled, was Lorwyn Eclipsed as underpowered and forgettable as everyone here was convinced it would be?
Yeah pretty much. Shit limited format, trash story and boring design. Easily D tier. Not quite MKM or DFT levels of trash, but it was pretty trash.

I can only assume that ECL was their "maximum effort" design, considering the prestige surrounding it. This does not bode well.

Trying to play Maralen in standard
Any changes you would make?
https://moxfield.com/decks/fVSAWg9Tbk6zuwuM3sqjDg

>>97477839
Speaker is solid. Standard is a cesspit of repulsive combos, a tutor that curves perfectly into them was bound to see play.

Spell snare also, obviousliy, and I mean come the fuck on with the shocklands lmao. Those are crutches they staple to every set to pad value, they don't even belong in Lorwyn.
But, you can't really judge the set off of events soon after release. People are still testing shit cards to see what fits.

>>97477839
A lot in that list are Shocklands

>>97478003
>a lot
>5 of the 24
Sure I guess? But even cutting off the 5 is still a decent handful.

>>97475950
Bonecrusher Giant effectively filtered out a lot of cool creatures out of Standard and Cat + oven destroyed aggro as an archetype for years in both Standard and Pioneer. Fires was complete cancer. Questing Beast was not crazy powerful but it was the forerunner of WORDS WORDS WORDS on cards. Eldraine,even without the banned cards was horrible for the game and Magic never went back to what it was after it. I will hate it for many years.

Damn we are called out by the weirdo

It is so Over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDMumdrdyk

>>97478139
Buy an ad.

>>97478139
*being

Universes Beyond is a stain to this game, worse even than the gay sauna bear card.

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>>97477399
They should make the Creature World from Duel Masters an anime plane and adapt it with the Magic the Gathering mangas that exist.

>>97478139
>>97478148
Buy an ad

Beyblade UB WHEN?

>>97478139
>unironically literally no joking a tranny video
kill
your
self

>>97478148
The damage is irreparable? Nothing can be done about UB?

>>97478322
The only thing I can think of that could reverse the current course is Hasbro going under.

>>97474204
They told on themselves. Whenever you bring up just proxying premodern cards they flip their shit. Be careful out there, many scammers who want to take advantage of chuds.

>>97478322
Because of the amount of money UB makes, there is basically nothing to stop it. The only way would be if the money stopped. If the players stopped buying it or if the IP holders universally refused to take Wizards' licensing money but that's as likely as people not doing drugs and IP holders falling out of love with money. It's management's job to make money - no change in management will ever change this even if Hasbro dies because someone will buy Magic.

People joke here that they want Elon Musk to buy it and change it and that is the only way to stop UB. And I don't mean just any billionaire like the Saudis, it has to specifically be him because he has demonstrated he is willing to overpay tens of billions for something and then turn it into shit for no reason other than self-gratification like he did for Twitter. And even then it's just a hope because he's a slop-whore he may just do more UB but for things he likes but at least we won't get Ghostbusters dogshit.

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>>97477706
This card has long term potential in creature combo and toolbox decks.

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>>97477706
They needed to seriously de-bowdlerize the fucking elves
These pussies were a disgrace

>>97475525
no but can you show me?

>>97477839
Need to give it more time to see what actually sticks.

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>>97476461
Why would I care about yet another year of kikety nonwhite standard meta decks? It’s the same as every kike year

play

premodern

>>97479444
FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING SHILL I WON’T BUY YOUR OVERPRICED SHIT!!!! GO ASTROTURF SOMEWHERE ELSE CUNT!!!!!

>>97479482
most proxy welcoming format

do i make a bogles or elves pauper deck? or something else? i have black sac and am looking for a 2nd deck

>>97479514
Pure coincidence all the staples have gone through the roof then? Fuck you faggot

>>97479753
wow scalpers scalp investors invest
buy silver

>>97479774
My index funs have done extremely well. I don’t invest in hobbies because I’m not an insufferable cunt.

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Hey everyone. This is my Brawl commander, and I am really excited for her.

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>Every card is simultaneously OPT as a sorcery because coomander can't handle even the most telegraphed combos on the planet
>Yet every single creature is a value engine that sets itself up even if it's a 1-drop because coomander players find it too hard to build around cards that actually ask you to do something
Well, that's it. We are now officially worse than YuGiOh.

>>97479991
>We are now officially worse than YuGiOh.
Been worse for a long ass time. At least with YGO, the games are fast so you don't have to suffer.

>>97474883
Eat shit Gavin

>>97474883
I play both and YGO is better.

>>97475367
You have 5 elemental cards that can be a good start. The 2 mana rocks, the 2 3/3 flyer, the elemental rare. Figure out from there.

>>97476161
Actually it's more like Legacy but they don't pretend Grief isn't an issue for 2 years (they learned after Firewall Dragon)

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>>97474883
>Doesn't have UB
It's just in the same family and irrelevant, while Magic's stuff is pushed.

>>97474068
>I'm kinda surprised Lasting Tarfire doesn't have any decks on mtgtop8 yet. So many counters are getting thrown around that you'd think something that can theoretically shock every turn would be pretty good. Maybe it's because it doesn't make anything and it only hits at the end of each turn.
It's already been pretty great in my fun grindy battlecruiser games.

>>97480006
>Yu-Gi-Oh games
>Fast
Maybe in terms of turn count lol but you can play several turns of magic in the time it takes a Yu-Gi-Oh player to get halfway through their combo, lord help you if you're going second and don't open any hand traps too and have to just sit their the entire time

>>97480409
Yeah I agree it's much better in Magic where if you go second you can concede instantly because your winrate is going to be 35% in game 1 (YGO has it at 45%).

>>97480501
>Yeah I agree it's much better in Magic where if you go second you can concede instantly because your winrate is going to be 35% in game 1
It's sub-30% in MTG lmao.

>>97479482
>he doesn't already own all his Legacy staples
Embarrassing post

>>97480567
That's actually unbelievably bad lmao
Got a source for it? I want to share it somewhere else if true.

>>97480639
no

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Why is this card banned in Legacy?

>>97480699
muh force of will

>>97480699
>1-drop that reads "Force or lose"
>Hmm... why is this banned...

>>97480501
MtG somehow got to a point where it needs handtraps for turn-0 interaction but doesn't have them.

>>97480972
Correction: I was referring to standard specifically. Legacy has Force of Will.

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>>97480972
Mark seems to have it in his head that printing good interaction is admitting defeat, so we have shit like a 1-drop that literally can't be removed at same rate in Standard because it doesn't die to Stab or Shock.

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>>97480978
erm

>>97480978
It's so fucking wild that Cecil sees zero play, zero play in standard. B, 2/3 with deathtouch and an upside. ZERO PLAY

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>>97481030
Bulk mythic.
Thank F.I.R.E.

>>97481030
"upside" is arguarble. It's extremely rare for cecil to flip and thus a 2/3 deathtouch with downside isn't that good

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>>97481087
I actually sold my magic cards over this, granted I only got magic because Arena came out and I thought Amonkhet was cool but still, that was 9 years ago...

>>97481091
>"upside" is arguarble. It's extremely rare for cecil to flip
This is true now but it would've been extremely strong in modern just 5 years ago. It's 1 mana, 2/3 with deathtouch. It trades well with everything, bolt, goyf etc etc.

It's a human so humans would've played it
It decreases your life so deathshadow decks would've played it
It's a good generic beater for 1 cmc so jund would play it

I'd say if Wizards would've printed Cecil instead of orcish bowmasters it would've seen play

>>97481145
And by over this I mean pushed FF cards not seeing play, not the questing beast

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>>97481145
Shadow did play Cecil for a bit but Moonshadow is just the superior one now

>>97481030
>upside
Anti Lifelink is a downside bro

>>97481030
Part of that is because the only viable black decks currently are reanimator scams with that Spiderman card. It saw play in dmir midrange but that shit can't keep up with the current cancer

>Tired of UB cards just being stupid unfun to look at let alone play against.
>Tired of players scooping the second they don't top deck whatever or getting something countered tilts them.
>Tired of looking at my old cards like looking at old yearbook photos.

>Part of me still has hope that Secrets of Strixhaven is that it's just Shadowmoor / ECL part 2 - the huge amount of stuff that was missed for ECL.
>Part of me hopes that UB will slow down and we go back to having more MTG in the game. I am keen for Trek, but literally everything else outside of main sets is like crayons over the furniture.

I don't know bros, I still love to play and brew cube, but I have the general thought of current mtg is trying to push me away. Maybe I'm just boomer as fuck and remember the good ol' days without the vitriol I had at the time, but I remember playing each set that came out and being surprised that I enjoyed it.

I tried playing ATLA, it's ugly as shit fan art level cards and people are going on about the show more than the game and fair but fuck me play the game at hand first. I don't want to watch it, and you don't need to give me a synopsis, two other people already did that.
I tried Spooderman and I don't even need to say shit about it.
And now I am meant to be trying TMNT?

Can we go back to 2 set blocks please. I will take Jacestice league again at this point holy shit.

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You told me The Legend of Korra is shit, so I decided to watch it not trusting you (hello Cori Steel Cutter), and it's so fucking good. The two-parter about the first Avatar in the second season, so good. The art style so good.
I would much rather have Korra UB than fucking turtles UB.

>>97480699
because it's a better colorless veil of summer you can get with urza's saga, having this in play wins the game against 99% of the interaction used in the format to deal with spells on the stack + you also randomly hose other free spells like endurance/force of vigor/snuff out etc, you can also just sacrifice it to draw a card if you want to play a bunch of free mana then play another one

it clearly was supposed to cost 2 mana or not let you cycle it but modern horizons sets aren't known for well balanced cards

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At what price do you just say fuck it and order proxies?
MPC is just $2 more and I can have a much stronger deck

>>97481227
i'm sorry, but you've been diagnosed with terminal shittaste

>watch Pro Tour
>top 8
>guy keeps a one land hand, then scoops turn 3

You all told me Standard was a Izzet dominated format... I see a ton of non-Izzet decks in PT

>>97481295
he's just like me

>>97481278
the only good thing about retards like you who are just parroting something you read once is how easy you are to identify now that everyone is super autistic about their echo chamber of choice

>>97481227
yeah its good, much better than 90% of animation - especially if you just accept the production issues around the disjointed seasons for what they are and treat the marvel quippiness like commercial breaks and understand they're an inevitable producer intervention of the time (and weren't nearly so tired at that point as they are today.)
most people who dislike it weren't fans of the original or have some weird hangup where you'll find after one or two questions that it's /pol/ tier retardation or they expected it to be CSI: Avatar or some shit FoR aDuLtS

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>>97481233
It was designed for Commander.
Hoses free spells = Feels bad the mean blue player stopped my Insurrection :(
Cycling = Well what if I draw this and I didn't want it? That would be a feelsbad :(

However as Hexing Squelcher is going to prove, no matter how much of a complete fucking blowout you make the counterspell hate, people will still refuse to run it because they would rather bitch about blue.

>>97481433
more importantly Ninja Turtles haven't been a thing outside of pure, concentrated autismodium and increasingly niche film adaptations for like thirty years
its insulting in that you can see the clear thread straight from the boardroom to "their nostalgia will purchase anything!" in a way you can't even with the Star Trek UB

>>97481444
So what are the odds the Star Trek UB has a notable focus on the nu-Star Trek with shit like Starfleet Academy?

>>97481452
I really would pay to not have Star Trek at all... Even old Kirk show focused set will be as horrible as TMNT.

>>97481452
The all art we've seen so far is from TOS TNGm no?

>>97481452
i think the hope is that the older licenses will be cheaper and the set will be saved by that fact alone

>>97481456
i think we're all just in it for the Spock cards, if we're being real. maybe an enterprise or phaser artifact and some red hammy klingons could be kino, too.

i guess i shouldn't forget the necessary Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra saga

Tasha Yar better be in and her tits better be bangin

>>97481452
It's not a bet. They've explicitly said they have timed the Star Trek and Ninja Turtles releases with this year's products. This year is Ninja Turtles' 40th anniversary or something.

Is it really that difficult to believe that corporations time releases to maximize the marketing cross over? Isn't some Avatar shit happening this year or last year?

If they don't make Q a PW I don't know what they are doing

>>97481456
Too bad. It's too late. UB is here to stay. At best you can try to find some silver linings, if you want to continue playing this game.

>>97472556
I imagine magic could be saved if they made some real collaborations, like MTG: Playmates in Bed, MTG: Blacked, MTG: John Holmes or MTG: Best of Brazzers

>>97481191
mono decks should be the focus of mtg in such a way that only very rare genius metabreaks result in multicolor decks, but we'll never see that again because the designers are more interested in taking online quizzes that tell them what colors The Hamburglar would be

>>97472685
does it count multiple instances in the same post?

btw why have everyone dropped incel as a buzzword, I never see anyone call an anon incel even though they're 100% are incel, so I wonder why incel is smaller than lsop, cuz I thought incel would be a big incel word in this incel swamp

>>97481509
probably because its a punching down word for women who are obsessed with their own precarious sexual value, there are no women in here, and magic the gathering players post-2010 have no one to punch down on

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>>97475367
that's a rough pool
>>97480225
I'd go hard into blue red tempo and hope you can squeeze out a win or two by countering/bouncing their blockers at the right moment, maybe play a few of the red giant who can remove blockers

>>97481548
bah, I cropped out the flash changeling and the simic two drop.. cut the stone, the percher, the farewell and the curiosity for the two 2-drops and a couple of b-brutes

>>97481145
How does Cecil trade well with bolt? Burn is happy to remove a creature while still dealing 3 to you.

I'm trying to make a list of the 10 weirdest MtG cards. With that said, I'm also trying to avoid too much focus on early shit like dexterity cards (though they will probably get an honorable mention). What do you think of my list so far:

>Green Sun's Zenith
>Goblin Game
>Raging River
>Panglacial Worm
>Burning of Xinye
>Emperor Crocodile*
>Dryad Arbor
>Animate Dead
>Shahrazad
>Serum Powder

I'm thinking of cutting Emperor Crocodile because I've found a few more examples of cards that work like it does although they aren't creatures (Drop of Honey probably being the best known).

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>>97481627
this one

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>>97481627
what's so weird about green sun's zenith and burning of xinye?
i'd replace them with space beleren and equinox

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>>97481641
That's a solid pick. I think it occupies similar space to Animate Dead and, when possible, I tried to avoid Future Sight cards if there was a similar card from a non-TSP block set.

As I see it, Animate Dead could be argued as weirder because it changes from one aura type to another but I like how Volute is on the battlefield enchanting something that is not on the battlefield so that is definitely a point in its favor.

I want go back to blocks please.

>>97481701
Blocks are incompatible with the commander pipeline.

>>97481678
>GSZ
The back to back double shuffling is weird.
>Burning of Xinye
One of the few cards that does not use 'target' or 'choose' or anything similar when it comes to destroying the lands. This leads to some funky interactions with indestructible lands. You CANNOT destroy an indestructible land as part of the spell's resolution so if you have 3 darksteel citadels and 4 islands you have to destroy your own islands.
On the other hand, if you had an indestructible land you wanted to get rid of (perhaps your opponent has a Primal Order or runs a lot of Price of Progress or something) you would NOT be able to destroy it in the same way you could if Burning said "Sacrifice".

>>97481701
Financial failure, bozo.
The line must go UP!!!

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>>97481713
This was considered but I consider it a misprint more than an actual 'weird' card. Oracle text makes it very clear what the card does. Similarly, I didn't include Serendib Efreet that was printed as a green card or that one mono-g removal spell (Desert Twister?) that was printed as a blue card.
>>97481678
Unsets were left out of consideration even after WotC made the retarded decision to allow some of them in black-bordered Magic.

>>97481733
thank god i play with friends and am largely inundated against retarded decisions like that but now i'm compelled by good friendship to ask what the most annoying unset cards are so that i can surprise them with it as a gag

>>97481749
Annoying by what metric? I think that Ashnod's Coupon is up there as are most of the "Gotcha" cards but especially "Stop That", "Spell Counter", and "Cardpecker".
Richard Garfield P.H.D is obnoxious to play against. Cheatyface is, in my opinion, very fun but a lot of other people disagree.

I'm less familiar with cards from Unstable and actively stopped giving a shit about unsets after that so I don't know about anything from Unfinity and beyond. From the ones legal in black border, I imagine stickers would be the worst. Particularly if you put a sticker on someone else's card (eg: with a threaten effect).

>>97481627
cut gsz (natural order), raging river ("split/divide" cards from invasion), emperor crocodile, animate dead (dance of the dead)

make it a top 20 list

add

thieves' auction
balduvian shaman
apocalypse
the tabernacle of pendrell vale
divine intervention
ebon praetor
bridge from below
>>97481641
glacial chasm
zur's weirding
lord of tresserhorn
splintering wind
lightning storm
sorrow's path

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>>97481627
Heres my contribution

>>97481215
>Part of me hopes that UB will slow down and we go back to having more MTG in the game. I am keen for Trek
You're part of the problem. Recommend you take a good look in the mirror.

>>97481433
>yeah its good
LoK is the literal poster child for mediocrity and wasted potential

>>97481627
You forgot Divine Intervention

>>97481627
Chains of Mephistopheles

>>97481971
What is the use of this?

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>>97482053
At the time, that cycle was very above rate for creature stats. Now a 4 mana 5/5 with multiple upsides might not be playable, but 25 years ago this amount of muscle was sometimes worth the drawback.

>>97482062
Ah yes, back when a 1/1 with flying cost 3 mana. This game has gotten kindof silly now that I think about it.

>>97481919
You do not understand why GSZ or Emperor Crocodile is on the list.

>Lightning Storm
This was on the short list. I could see cutting Raging River for this (although it's got some stuff going on that is very different than the "X or Y" Invasion cards because it names the two piles).
>Balduvian Shaman
Just because it grants cumulative upkeep?
>Apocalypse
>Lord of Tresserhorn
>Splintering Wind
Why? These cards aren't that weird.
>Ebon Praetor
For the weird counters? I'd probably put Greater Werewolf or Frankenstein's Monster above Ebon Praetor.
>Glacial Chasm
>Sorrow's Path
>Tabernacle
Because they're lands that don't tap for mana? With things like Maze of Ith, any of the banding lands from Legends, and a whole host of other lands through the ages I don't know how weird these lands are.
>Zur's Weirding
This is no more (or less) weird than cards like Dream Halls, Warp World, Hive Mind, or Naked Singularity. Nothing particularly wild but makes a huge impact on how the game is played moving forward.
>Thieves' Auction
I had initially dismissed this as similar to Zur's Weirding but "Set Aside" is kind of interesting. If it hadn't been eratta'd to "Exile all nontoken permanents" it would have probably gotten onto the short list.
>Bridge from Below
This is a good pick. Made my honorable mentions list but my barrier for Future Sight cards is higher than normal ones.
>Divine Intervention
Was considered. Made my honorable mentions list but I could see bumping it up onto the list maybe.
>>97481971
That's just a bad card, not a weird one.

Some other cards that made my short list:
Time Stop/Sundial of the Infinite
Camouflage
Dexterity Cards in general
Apocalypse Chime
Mangara of Corondor
Illusionary Mask

>>97482045
Chains is a simple card that is worded weird. It doesn't do anything especially weird in the rules outside of it being slightly unclear that the replacement effect doesn't replace itself into an infinite loop (which, I guess makes it worth considering, but I don't think it's strange enough to make a top 10 list).
>>97482024
I considered it. It is the only card that says "the game ends in a draw" but it's quite straightforward within the rules. I am seeing that a lot of people think it is a weird card though so I am apparently in the minority.

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>>97482062
>Now a 4 mana 5/5 with multiple upsides might not be playable
Bros, I miss him so much...

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>>97481627
Restart the game is pretty unique

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>>97482067
And tangentially related we can't get anything functionally better than this card due to the reserve list

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>pay the upkeep or fucking deck yourself

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Really any card with cumulative upkeep that's not just a straight mana or life cost is pretty weird.

>>97481509
Not everyone is hot off the presses from Reddit and 9gag like you.

>>97474906
You can hardly call Trump=bad politics nowadays. That's just background noise for children at this point.

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>>97482246
I remember this guy having like 0,5 seconds of Modern play when Dredge (i thing reunion + grave troll variant) was the best deck

>>97482202
>pay the upkeep or win the game with Labman or Thoracle

seems pretty decent to me.

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what is the minimum amount of lessons I should have in my deck if I want to run pic related?

>>97482062
alabaster leech was never close to playable, cmon dude

>>97482137
Funny joke Anon.
>>97482246
>>97482279
>>97482176
I think I'm just old because a lot of cumulative upkeep cards are being listed here and it doesn't strike me as all that different from Echo or other additional cost mechanics that can use non-mana stuff (Eg., Morph, Kicker, Escalate, etc...). Lumithread Field and Grindstone or whatever the morph mill artifact is called are both weirder to me and I don't think either of those are super strange cards either.
>>97482202
This is a little weirder because of the lich-like effect.
>>97482187
Shahrazad was on my list because of that but yeah, "restart the game" is a pretty wild effect that has a few strange rules interactions because of how the exiled permanents entering the battlefield turn 0 but having ETB effects trigger at the upkeep of turn 1 and so on. I also didn't realize that the player who controls Karn is on the play, I had assumed you would need to randomly select. I think Karn will probably replace Shahrazad.
>>97482194
We can't get anything functionally identical to the card (and I think WotC has said this just means a 1WW flying first strike 2/2; creature type doesn't matter). There is nothing stopping a strictly better version.

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>>97482246
I know Magic has power crept a ton since then but even at the time Coldsnap being a throwback set meant the average creature stats to cost ratio was in the fucking toilet. Chimney Imp tier "this should have been printed on toilet paper instead of cardstock."

>>97482380
Not paying the upkeep cost works with Labman and Jace but not Thoracle unless you have a way of flashing Thoracle into play on your upkeep. If you had a thoracle on the stack you could just activate the activated ability in response to the trigger until there were no cards left in your library.

>>97482398
That's a cute card. Probably not quite weird enough to make a top 10 unless I'm missing something about it other than "reveal your library" but it's definitely an honorable mention.

>>97482396
Braid of Fire is pretty objectively weird.

>>97482418
Yeah, having an opponent search your library is pretty unique I thought, along with revealing your entire library

>>97482396
Yeah Karn has an entire essay of rulings dedicated to his ultimate. For something that sounds simple, "Restart the game", it's really messy rules wise

>>97482403
That's simply not true. Coldsnap was a 'throwback' set but was printed with [at the time] modern design sensibilities.
Ronom Unicorn (2/2 for 1W with upside) would never have been printed during Ice Age. The power level of the cards wasn't great at the time but that was largely because WotC didn't realize that cumulative upkeep should have meant a much greater discount on mana costs than what they went with. Comparing the random draft chaff of Coldsnap to Time Spiral and you'll see it's pretty similar in terms of power.

>>97482421
I think you and I are defining 'weird' differently.
I'm primarily evaluating things within the framework of Magic's rules and weird exceptions or things that don't immediately appear to make sense within the rules of the game.
Braid of Fire is a strange card (especially after the removal of Mana Burn) but everything about it is obvious when it comes to the rules of the game and there are many cards that work similarly (a cumulative upkeep cost that is not mana). It's "weird" because by the current rules there does not appear to be a downside and because having a lot of mana in your upkeep is not immediately valuable in most gamestates, but that's not especially weird when compared to something like Panglacial Worm and the rules questions it brings up.
>>97482438
Yeah, it's the "Animate Dead" scenario where it's clear what the card is supposed to do but actually making it work in the rules is tricky.

>>97482013
again, thankfully you idiotic parrots in human shape are easy to identify in a world where anyone with an ounce of passion goes off about their interests instead of being a snarky sidelining quipper

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>>97481627
Last one I'm suggesting, a card that can never actually do what it says anymore

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>game ends by turn 4
werent bans trying to prevent this?

>>97482594
? Standard has been a T3 format for like a year now

>>97482395
I'm not saying it was Blastoderm but you could play it in kitchen table and not feel like you were casting Wood Elemental

the excruciator hard counter: mulligan to 1

They should bring back mana burn with how many mana doublers and free mana generators exist these days

>>97481712
Actually the only reason why they axed blocks is because people developed a severe case of incessant puking after being forced to endure a full year of shitxalan slop.
And the vampires are still the least cringe part of that absolute sloppa of a theme park plane.

>>97482279
>>97482392
Compare these two cards.

>>97482566
That's fantastic! I definitely overlooked this (and the Portal sets in general) so this is definitely a contender. I might give honorable mention to all the "sorceries with flash" as a single entry and Riding the Dilu Horse was a card I had forgotten about entirely and probably makes the short list as well.

both of these decks feel like meme decks

>>97482643
No, it was specifically because third sets in a block sold like shit, that's why they went down to two sets per block initially

>>97481627
Consider the following:
Serra Avenger
Leveler
Mindslaver/Worst Fears
One With Nothing
Omnath, Locus of Mana (made less weird now that they've done the effect a few times)
Norin The Wary
Platinum Angel/Abyssal Persecutor

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just milled the only 4 non-permanent cards in my deck (my 4 best late game cards) to miss on a turn 2 dig spell.
draft run is over.
I am the unluckiest person in the game.

>>97482719
There's actually quite a few mindslaver effects nowadays

>>97482719
every set they print where platinum/abyssal don't break the game in some exceedingly strange way surprises me

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>>97482778
That’s such a hilariously bad card, holy shit.

>>97482594
Notice how there’s never been a mono white fire design turn 4 deck.
>Hurr durr Omni was turn 4
And what color is Omni? Exactly

>>97482954
mono red has to dig pretty deep for counterspells

damn how much of a loser do you have to be to play arena (full stop) unranked brawl with a board wipe / hate deck

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>>97481627
This is legal in Commander. Also look at Shared Fate for something that's Shahrazad-level annoying but less known. Spy Kit affects card names which is very rare.

>>97481713
Always makes me smile

imagine losing the pro tour to a spiderman meme deck

>>97483003
it is very strange that even with the trolls i have for friends i have never seen Shared Fate, that card is fucking stupid

>>97482984
its the worst, its supposed to be a casual format but the way arena considers rarity and the 1v1 limitation make it the most cancerous mode in the game by

>>97474963
saddle and crew are different mechanics, thoughbeit.

>>97474963
>the pun
What pun?

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>>97483021
Imagine in 2027 when Spock, Donatello and Black Panther become format staples :^)

>>97476317
Reminds me of the time Cutter was called draft chaff. THAT SAID, that was a more in your face obvious case. Are people really surprised that you have to build an elemental deck to make the elemental card good?

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>>97481627

>>97483158
Yeah but nobody ever thought timmy elementals.dec where the strategy was evoking and doubling triggers and hardcasting elementals was any good. Turns out pushed cards are pushed.

>>97483138
Why did they base April on Helen of Troy

>>97482650
>mid goblin guide
vs
>white anti-grave goyf

>>97481433
>that everyone is super autistic about their echo chamber of choice
yep, like you. Nobody liked Kora ending and most things near the end. People liked the fights and that is about all. Character development was shit. When you think about Last Air Bender you see that LoK is shit.

Go start another shit thread on /a/ about kora and see you are a minority online.
>>97481641
time spiral block was so cool lots of weird mechanics and cards.
>>97482062
The blue one being a 2/2 flying for 2 always makes me wonder where we are at.

>>97483235
>yep, like you
yeah, no shit, do you know where you are?
the majority of people eat at mcdonalds, your argumentum ad populum is always going to be retarded but posting it here is a different level of special

all you have to say is "X is bad, its not popular" and when pressed all you'll have to say is "Y is bad" and "Z is bad" with no rational or supporting evidence whatsoever, which we've already been over. now go back.

>>97483235
>/a/
>Korra
holy sp*rking reddit