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>>97476403
Coontribooting to OP's 30gay porn folder.

>>97476403
>Would you be interested in a kill team version of 30k?
No, because the only thing people would do is run terminators with thunder hammers and complain about losing all the time

>>97476403
No, it'd just be another poorfag gateway and we already have enough of those. Can't tell you how many 40kfags started playing in second drawn by the plastic models and STILL haven't finished printing their models and yet they're buying all the new hotness and even new allied armies

>>97476403
>Would you be interested in a kill team version of 30k?
Yes, because I have severe autism.

>>97476464
>Posts on /hhg/
>"I have severe autism"
Water is wet.

>>97476403
yes, i want the tom clancy's istvaan VI

>>97476403
>TQ
But I already have victory is venegance.

>>97476474
WATER WITHIN

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I got book 20 back in the day and I'm starting again now. I see lots of guides online for chronological reading orders, but they're all different, can I not just read the books in release order? I'm not sure I can be arsed with pic related.

>>97476555
Those chronological order flowcharts are mostly to put the ridiculous amount of slop BL published into perspective.
Reading the books in release order is fine, the only worthwhile advice you can get is on which books aren't worth reading.

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Saturnine Terminators are just like my cock.
Stupidly big and doesn't fit.

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Getting it.

>>97476600
pass I do not like how the new custodes infantry looks like. and this is the wrong calladius to the one I want. I would want to have another dread, this time not in resin, but buying a big box for just one , even big, model is too much. Definitly will buy 2-3 calladius, the ventis (for the jetpacks and weapons) and probably enough 2 of each dreadnought, so I have 3 of each type. Not sure if I want a Coronus. I like the idea of it, but looking at the size and the "custodes price adjustment" I expect it to be priced like a super heavy tank and not a flying land raider. What I definitly have to do is to buy 3 more boxs of allarus. Maybe 4.

>>97476600
I think those tanks would look better in a slightly different paint scheme

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>>97476587
The new Cataphractii are just like my cock.
Longer than most, but disappointingly thin.

>>97476600
the troops look like dogshit and the dread/tank fortunately look 100% like the ccurrent ones except the new dread looks worse with an uglier spear.

Definitely just buying wartablegames recasts for 70% cheaper than that ugly shit.

>niggas name dropping bottom tier recasters again

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>>97476682
Anon it is worse. You think it is long. but when someone puts it up against the old short dicks, they somehow seem to be the same size. And the old cocks are still thicker.

I understand your pain.

>>97476600
If the tanks are sub $90 I'll get them.

>>97476682
It took me a bit to realize what was looking off to me and it finally hit me.
Its not actually the waist, though those do look bad, Its actually the head.

See the old Cata terminators had those half heads, they were sunk into the terminator bodies so it gave the perception that they were sitting deep in these big ass hulking suits of armor, These having full heads dont have that illusion anymore, they just feel like regular dudes.

>>97476721
You're free to give away the good ones so we can report them to James and ruin your fun.

>>97476787
I already named the one and only good one. Haven't had to refund any orders yet, and 4x cheaper than the dogshit coming from ukraine/russia/ebay.

>>97476721
Still better than FW

>>97476774
it's never one thing, that's a retard's tendency to try to simplify things because reality is complex. The waists look fucking garbage, the hands are a fuckup, the heads are a fuckup, the shoulders are a fuckup, the cock-bumps chest-tray is a fuckup, the loadouts provided are a fuckup, the shrinkflation price increase is a fuckup, going from 10 per box to 6 and eventually 3. Anyone buying them is a complete sucker.

>>97476813
The only point of improvement on the new catas is the leather straps being more detailed. Everything else is objectively a downgrade.

Why did GW feel the need to redesign the FW minis and make them worse in almost all cases?

>>97476843
It has to be spite. GW designers must have been seething about FW doing marines better.

>>97476853
It literally is spite. Citadel has always wanted to define what real 30k/40k is, so when Forge World stuff became well known, the Citadel team got jealous, and used Alan Bligh's death to overwrite it. They want their vision over all. One example of this is the Imperium can't lose, because that would impact sales. So they have been fix-fic'ing a bunch of the Imperial Armor and HH black books to make them "good guys win." They did this with Taros Campaign, where Tau won in IA3 but then they released the Aeronautica Fixfic where the Imperium came back and won with only planes, no infantry or land forces needed. They released a new version of Dropsite Massacre where they turned the "massacre" into "good guys even traded thanks to stuff Bligh didn't invent haha gotcha". It's a mess.

>>97476843
to punish those that bought models in the past. As GW that is today, hates the GW of yesteryears. Even if some of the people are the same.

>>97476600
no ugly ass

>>97476843
Cause GW is full of retard commies

>>97476403
>Would you be interested in a kill team version of 30k?
Not with the weird nu-killteam rules. But sure, id be interested in a smaller scale game mode about squad warfare.

You know, like VIV

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Two questions for the thread

1: Does anyone have any more of the audio books, got Era of Ruin from the anon a week a go and really enjoyed it!

2: Anyone have any suggestions for 3rd party drop pods? I'm wanting to work towards a drop pod assault style army and don't want to spend a shit zillion pounds or use the new ones.

>>97476403
TQ: Not with the current Kill Team mechaics. Smaller skirmish 30k Yes, but not the kill team game it currently is.

>>97476883
>where the Imperium came back and won with only planes, no infantry or land forces needed.
That's the most realistic thing to ever happen in this setting

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>>97476929
https://miniaturescenery.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=100

>>97476953
those are nice, do you know of a uk seller?

>>97476600
BAIT FOR THE BAIT GOD
RAEG FOR THE RAEG THRON

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It is the snatched waist, full helmet and power fists that ruin the new terminators. More work to do because holy shit the shoulder gap is fucking insane

>>97476587
The little chest skull looks so much better than the limbless turkey so many leave instead

>>97476403
As a conept sure but killteam has been dogshit since inception

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>>97476989
holy fucking shoulder gap batman

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>>97476971

>>97477083
the way the epaulets are modeled makes it so you can't set the shoulder pads the same way as the old cataphractiis without it looking jarring as hell and having the top pad look like it's floating

>>97477176
>epaulets
Pteruges.

Has anyone got the scans of the new skitarii units for the journal?

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>>97476555
Release order is perfectly acceptable.
The problem with taking advice from others on which books to skip is that there will always be someone or several that tell you each book you're asking about is shit. best to just find out yourself, they're not long reads individually anyway.

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>>97477220
Only got some potato pics another anon shared

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>>97477220

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>>97477220
And some of the rules.

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>>97477296
>>97477315
>>97477337
i'm sad you didn't keep the og filenames

>>97477315
>autocrit scepter
>it doesent crit

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posting the missions

>Discover another pair of dreadnought plasma cannons in the bits box
A second castraferrum-mortis with plasma cannons, or friends that still want to play against me...

>>97477403
>>97477419
>Fixed objective placement
>Five game turns
Interesting, gonna give these missions a try for sure.

Thank you kindly, blessing of the omnissiah on your PC.

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>>97477454
i'm not done, yet

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>8.2 seconds of debate

>>97477528
>>97477544
>>97477552
>>97477557
Thanks for posting all this, anon.
Shame that the new lore is so retarded and tries to retcon so much without need.
The new skitties are only believable as traitor Mechanicum, it's ridiculous that GW tries to make them the default Skittarii and still double down in the same lies since Betrayal about them being a minority bound to Mars

Thanks for posting the pages anon. Omnissiah's blessing be upon thee.

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>>97477670
>new lore is retarded
eh, it is what it is.
i'll get around posting the ruin of the salamanders lore and missions, spoiler ahead : perty is a manchild, proximan sacramentii are based and night lords get dunked on.

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>>97477693
glad i could be of use

>>97477702
Is ruin of the salamanders the ligma supplement?

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>>97476444

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>>97477716
yes

>>97477728
>cyraxus became one of the largest armories for mechanicum relics but it's location was lost
wow they're straight up trolling us at this point

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aaand i think that's it
i didn't post the full skittle list, but they have access to some vehicules and automata that are copy pasted from mechanicum

>>97477762
That's actually kind of considerate, means you don't have to buy the full liber mechanicum if you just wanna play with skittles.

Hey, Im probab ly in the wrong thread, but I would appreciate if you can help me out. Ive been salivating over the HH marine models, but no one plays HH around me. I want to make a CSM list and use only HH models. Which models could be easily kit-bashed as Cult Mobs for 40k? I want to paint everything as Alpha Legion pre-heresy.

>>97476444
800 solid ass pounds of teleporter.

>>97477832
If money is no object? Solar Aux

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>>97477832
I know nothing about nu-40k but if you know a recaster you could get the old vraks militia which doesn't even need kitbashing to look good. Just check if you're getting the entire minis because forgeworld sold most of them as conversion bits but some recasters give you the whole things.

>>97476583
>the only worthwhile advice you can get is on which books aren't worth reading.
All of them
there is not a single improvement added to lore since 1999

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>>97476403
I spent 2 hours on this idk if I like it I kinda hate it

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>>97477832
If you're going for pre-Heresy, pic related Solar Auxilia worked with them, so they'd make a good candidate. As for kits, with SA you're mainly limited to rifles and some pistols & ccw options. For flamers and grenade launchers you need to look for recasters selling the old resin models. For heavy stubbers you need to start converting or wait for the rotor cannon veletaris.

>>97478165
>>97478298
>>97478390

Thanks for the answers. Sadly money is too tight, and I am not that great of a kitbasher. Will try one box of Sola and one box of Tacticals to see how things work out. Cheers!

Is it cheaper to buy the melee weapons kit to make despoilers, or to buy some 40k marines with chainswords and convert?

>>97476555
You can read the books in release order, but keeping track of all the plot threads becomes messy.
These reading guides are helpful for those who want to read all the stories referencing their favourite legion, or to know where each story is placed within the continuity
>>97478364
shut the fuck up, tourist, go back to your /grog/ forever alone cave

>>97477728
CYRAXUS MENTION
>CYRAXUS MENTION
CYRAXUS MENTION

>>97477744
that was always the lore, cyraxus was just some long forgotten outpost world that the tau invaded to test out their new hazard suits, the mechanicus were forced to bring out the 30k tech to repel the invaders, and they were backed up by red scorpions and....star phantoms? eventually

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>>97478463
Hope it's the correct box of Tacticals.

>>97477744
>>97478508
REEEEEEEEEE

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>>97477728
Almost a decade later he still casts a long shadow over this game.

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>>97478546
Yes, but it also meant several things:
1. It was another Imperial Armour, which are GOAT. The Tactical Journal wish they were Imperial Armours
2. It was the official introduction of 30k Battle Automata to main 40k. This all was before 8E's unification of Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus codices. Had Cyraxus been released, it'd be 3 editions that 40k could've forced the release of more mechanicum models. Which it did...it released DaVinci Skitarii. That's what no robots does to a motherfucker.
3. Tau would've needed battlesuits to match Automata. Battlesuits is nice. Hopefully Crisis-sized instead of yet more Riptide flavors

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>>97478822
Also, combi-pistol wtf :O

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>>97478822
Hazard suit my beloved...

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>>97478832
We used to be a proper wargame.

>>97478832
>Combi pistol
Fucking gangers on necromunda have more custom tech than goddamn space marines
>>97478838
>hazard suits
don't remind me

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I played Titanicus today, still gearing my buddy up for Adepticon. 1750 is a whack points level to prepare for after having so many 2.5k games.
Morts won after completing their secondary objective, but they paid for it in many lives. It's one of the nice little details of Titanicus that actually destroying a titan is very difficult. Only an 8-10 roll on a d10 is actual destruction of the titan everything else is just the titan falling down.

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>>97478882
>US has the biggest military budget but can't even give each soldier a fraction of the attachments Bubby can slap onto his AR

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>>97478891
This will most likely be the last game of this double-melta warhound. It finally got the chance to shine and still failed to net a kill. Instead of trying a disadvantageous assault on a melee reaver it went for Jim but it would go badly anyway.

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>>97478900
Turn 1 Barnum Brown would fail to even hit the Big Ben tower in the middle, but after Jim brings it down Brown would strip 4 shields off the enemy warlord in a great display of dismay, allowing Jim to pull off an extremely rare turn 2 kill.

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>>97478911
T-rex and the embassy there would block a lot of Blastermaster's shots, but the two of them slung a lot of firepower at the enemy warbringer. Stripes's push up the flank would end poorly, but after the warlord's destruction Barnum Brown would be able to level its firepower onto the dire wolf. I don't care much for warbringers. They pulled through this game but more often they feel like a too-expensive reaver titan.

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>>97478929
Stripes would actually lose this combat. It got a faulty charge off on the reaver, dealing almost as much damage to itself, and said reaver then simply blew it in half at point blank range. The double melta dog similarly would lose its combat to Jim, the Moderatii Wounded critical damage preventing it from using its melta incisors efficiently, while Jim would summarily blast its head off with the laser blasters. For its cost the double melta loadout simply isn't good enough (at least without stratagems to support but we're not sure how Adepitcon is going to play with those yet so we didn't use them).

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>>97478940
The dire wolf was destroyed in the same turn as the warhound, releasing the virulent payload which would earn Mortis's victory. This actually activated the ruptura maniple's ability but nothing really came of it since Jim's locomotor's were seized at this point. While they didn't destroy the reaver that warhound's melta guns were still brutal in the short range.

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>>97478957
We went into turn 5, but after my opponent flumped the order rolls and I hit the emergency repairs neither of us could do enough damage to score another kill. Jim backs off and Barnum Brown moves to bodyblock the princeps senoris. T-rex and Blastermaster try to unload into the enemy warbringer but nothing comes of it.
To be honest smaller point games like this feel really limited. Titanicus is besticus when you have enough leeway to play whatever you want and you really need to be at around 1800+ for that. Even that 50 point drop cuts out a lot of options.

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>actual measurement (41mm) instead of primarino for scale
I wonder if this is gonna be a thing for the sake of size transparency or some sort of troonsclae marketing

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>>97478971
T-rex only survived off of pure bullshit. Not only did my opponent roll Weapon on the location dice no less than 4 times shooting him but over the course of two turns I think I pumped the shields up 6 levels total? The magos was in the back with the bellows like you wouldn't fucking believe. He's getting a cracker and a can of WD.
Great game, I really like playing this guy he's so chill and knows everyone in the club so he introduces me to a lot of cool guys.

>>97478974
Is there any target volkites are better against than combi-bolters?

>>97479117
What T are ogryns?

>>97479117
Militia?

>>97478822
>That's what no robots does to a motherfucker.
robots have been rare since Chapter Approved: Imperial Robots in August 1988 described them as

>several thousand cohorts, although only a percentage of these is ever active at any one time. Each cohort is in turn organised into maniples of three, four or five Robots plus a Legion tech-adept. The number of maniples in a cohort varies, but is rarely more than 100. However a cohort is usually spread across an entire Marine force of several Chapters or a single Army. Battles involving more than 4 or 5 maniples are rare. This is not to say that they have never occurred - during the Horus Heresy in particular large numbers of Robots were committed by both sides in an effort to minimise human casualties until a decisive final battle could be fought.

so typically a 40k robot appearance should be no more than 25 robots at the very high unusual end (probably lower given they have different roles and should require different maniple deployments)

but at the top end, a cohort is 5000 robots at the high end with every maniple of 5 and 100 maniples

say there were "several", well, "several" is less than "many" but more than "two" (or one if you're a pedant, but I'm not about to be lectured by a pervert); it's realistically single figures or low double figures; even if it were 99 (which would put it comfortably into "dozens" territory) the number of robots total would top at half a million, or a million if you suppose Horus had "fully half" as the old fluff goes and the rest were replaced like for like in the Imperium (WD104 was before the Imperium was a failing shitshow), and if you allow for them all being active at once

this is less than there are Marines in 40k (nominally) and by design spread much thinner; leaving aside whether fucking Lorgar or Kurze would "minimise human casualties", you shouldn't have that many robots, and I don't see anybody crying about electro-priests getting sidelined by skitarii

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>>97478832
I wish we could turn back time...
to the good old days...
and steal every single fried vinegar doused "crisp" out of alan's mouth so he doesn't get fat and die from cancer. and I'm far beyond the point of wanting cyraxus to be released due to high chance of GW inserting a fuckton of nulore shit and claiming that it was always there.

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>>97479190
No. You get NOTHING. You LOSE. WE lose. SUFFER the IGNOMINY. It's DONE. It's just done...

>>97478822
>It was another Imperial Armour, which are GOAT.
I have four imperial armor books (2 campaigns 2 apocalypse compendiums) and they are so precious beyond their price.

>>97479117
now that combi-bolters are just bolters with twice the shots?

look, say you have BS4 and before you used to be able to reroll your shots if you missed, using BS4 for both rolls

you go from 2/3 to Hit to a very fucky 5/6

and say your targets are all T4 with a 3+ save and 1W

so under the old system you'd have [[2/3*1/3]+2/3]*1/2*1/3 to kill that guy, which is why so many of you are morons - see where it's adding one probability to another? that's not natural in probability, and we have to do moron mathematics to make it work, but we've made it work and it comes down to oh let's call it 1/7, even though it's slightly better than that (but nowhere near 1/6)

now if you didn't have that unnatural thing in there you'd just have 2/3*1/2*1/3 which is 2*1*1 (which is 2, guys) over 3*2*3 (it's 18, big-brain) or, since they're both divisible by 2, reducible to and identical with 1/9

all bolter shots at BS4 vs T4 with a 3+ save are therefore 1/9, taking more of them doesn't make them better (because, for the last time you craps-table-dodging cocksuckers, you can't add the results of probabilities and demand a payout, it's unnatural and irrational to do so, and you only get to do it with rerolls because of a specific instruction to do it, which is the only reason it applies there from the mathematical pov, and which no longer exists)

volkite starts at S5 so vs that same target at BS4 it's... 2/3*2/3*1/3, which you'll note is also 4/27 or another fucky 1/7, the exact same one in fact but without the screwing around

so yes, any targets, literally any targets, why are you so stupid, you dumb fucking moron

>>97479117
>>97479163
>>97479176
Going by Str and number of shots, 2-shot Volkite chargers would be equal to 4-shot combi-bolters against T6 targets. Plus Deflagrate, they would be better. Against T5 combi-bolters are better, and Deflagrate would only push the scales towards volkite if the armour save is low enough, maybe

>>97479236
Didn't ask about the old system, but thanks

I think for general purpose you're better off with combis

more range, more dakka
plus nothing is as cool as mag dumping a unit in the back as they run away because cataphractii are always gonna pick gun down

You're all autistic retards, it literally doesn't matter, the difference is never more than a single wound vs the only targets that matter, and any terminator shooting their guns is retarded anyway because it'll only make your charge harder. Just take whatever you think looks cooler.

>>97479246
So T6 models and Militia, at the cost of being worse against other things and a lower range.

On normal models theres also the advantage of chargers being assault weapons.

>>97477762
Cool, I'd like to build a Skittles list

>>97479180
As someone that is obsessed with them robutts with the way 40k armies of the time were structured if we go by fluff normally you would have a single maniple (1-5 robots) for army list because each game is a slice of a battlefield. Not that old rules barred you from having more, the rogue trader rules didn't, adeptus titanicus didn't, I don't think even the "new" 40k did and as you said there were 5-ish maniples in the most important ones. When talking about the HH in RT they even said entire battles were just fought by robots to avoid casualities. Cyraxus was different because during, near the end of the heresy or after(I don't remember) they decided to stockpile every battle automata the army stationed there had because they weren't too trustworthy. Try hitting one with cybertheurgy and get snake eyes on your rolls in 1.0 and you will see what that means. They were there in storage to defend it in case of a huge threat to throw at the enemy which is just what the tau were. So they took them out of storage but the time spent there changed them and they were meant to have rules to represent them going slightly insane. This is what we knew according to the leaks and then cyraxus never happened for a lot of reasons. It was meant to be a way to bring them into 40k which according to a lot of people has become a nono for GW but back then who the fuck knew what happened, some said that the reason was the edition changed and the book was for the older one because FW wasn't informed and other reasons like just sheer spite. We will never know the full truth.

>>97477728
>>97477744
holy based

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>>97479296
>>97479274
>nothing is as cool as mag dumping a unit in the back as they run away because cataphractii are always gonna pick gun down
Yeah very much so. But volkite looks high tech, so i'd like it to be viable, you know? Very good consideration
>you'll only make your charge harder
Depends on how far you are. If you are a mere 3" away after setup, go for it? If you need a 5" and there's no set up...maybe. If you can afford it, still do it? At 6" you aren't getting there anyways, might as well volley some?
On power armour squads, volkite chargers triumph over combi-bolter units, which often only have their bolt pistols to volley (the player's saving Return Fire/OW elsewhere)
>>97479297
Armour saves decrease the effect of Deflagrate. At 5+ save (ignored by AP5), Deflagrate overcomes combi's higher rate of fire. Test is both T3 units, but one's 5+ Militia and the other is 4+ SA.
But the result is the same across all toughnesses: Chargers > Combi-bolters against 5+ saves; Unarmoured is their target.
Are there T4-7 models with 5+ saves? Too bad there's no Orks during the civil war after the Great Crusade. Daemons and Thralls, I guess?

>>97477713
The Bitter War seems like a very fun theater.

>>97477702
>perty is a manchild,
But of course. It's literally in his name.

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>>97477702
Wow, that is pretty fucking retarded.

>>97479463
Fags like you over analyze the fun right out of these wargames

>>97479716
It's a game, Anon, it's serious business

>>97479716
You can't do math AND have fun?

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>>97480066
I think you're in the wrong general.

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>>97479463
>>97479296
Overcomplication aside, indeed the difference between the two is minimal.
>>97480089
:O

>>97478493
If you want a full set of ten chainswords for a squad, you’re better off buying the melee weapons kit or finding a recaster off etsy or something. That said, the current 40k vanguard veterans kits will give you fancier looking chainswords along with a fair amount of other melee weapons and more. Consider if you want blinged out stuff or standard run of the mill equipment.

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To the anon who posted a bunch of STL links last thread.
Fuck you, these actually fucking suck. I wish'd they didnt even taint my computer with their presence.

>>97480188
anger for lack of own skills. Sad, but oddly common in the modern Warhammer Hobby.

>>97480188
Bro you didn't realize it was the sedivalle troll?

I started building a unit of veteran breachers. First 5 I knew how to arm. 2 axes, 2 maces, claw on the sgt. But now I should be the next five. Arming them with chainswords seems kind of a lame, but going full power swords or mix of lances/maces makes the unit a "bit" high cost for a non rare unit.

Any tips on how to build an optimal veteran breacher squad ? Do you guys still give them special weapons, because that would fix 2 how to arm slots ?

>>97480200
shouldve known better when that fugly saturnine NL was posted just before.
An hero'ing rn

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How do I git gud at making weapon bits for myself? I don't want to buy an overpriced GW plastic kit nor is there a need for proonts if I can just make them myself, but I honestly don't know how to start. What's the best material to use?

>>97480248
Hehe, I posted that. I just think they look hilarious, and arguably better than the official Saturnine.

>>97480330
I like how you can have them as bolter and fist dudes. I don't get the whole "mini dreadnought" with odd weapon specs (no right fist ???). but then again what do I know, not even close to a table top designer.

>>97480328
Just buy them on Etsy. If you need to ask, it'll be more effort than it's worth snd look terrible.

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>>97480188
you're going to need to dial them in concerning size and put in a lot of effort with a dremel tool to partially undo the tr00scale fuckery concerning the mkVs
i arrived at 75% scale with the whole of them save the head which gets to be 90%
be prepared to carve out the upper face of the legs a little, give a chamfer to the flat bit of the abdominal hemisphere thingy, remove a significant amount of resin from the lower concave area of the torso and also carve out volume where the head sits to a good extent
the saturnines work very well when printed at 85% scale for seating on 50mm bases but their heads i kept at 100% though i'm using other sorts outright frequently

>i am deathly ill
not really tho the resin makes me stronger

>>97480386
Etsy is a recaster? Or a known Ukrain printer?

oh also the lower 'lip' as it were of the torso is ground away entirely

>>97480420
You clearly don't interact with women lmao. Etsy is a site where people sell shit, usually what they hand-made themselves. Especially women are addicted to that site, because of all the useless spiritual garbage being sold on there.

when done properly you will be breaching slightly or very close to creating a hole between the abdominal volume where the hemisphere is sat into and the neck area

>>97476989
Abomination.

>>97478370
fake metallics is a meme

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>>97480417
>>97480422
>>97480426

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and don't forget to praise space king

>>97480425
I live with my mother, my grandmother, and for 27 years I lived between 1 to 3 sisters.

>Carapace trim on Leviathan

Y/N?

>>97480600
Looks way better with trim. Without it leviathans look weirdly sleek and aerodynamic, like they don't belong in the setting,

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How comparable was the development, previews and (not) releases between Fires of Cyraxus and The Battle of Black Fire Pass?

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Question about Mhara Gal: would it be doable to make one out of a different chassi than a Contemptor? I don't know if there's any snippet of hard lore that precludes this.

>>97480636
have no idea about Fire. but BoBFP had dwarfs. And dwarfs means love, lore and good feels.

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>>97476989
I managed to make ones i quite like.

>>97480704
If it fits on the contemptor base and is the right height you should be fine.

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>>97480737
Now with cropping!

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the nu MKIVs are going to suck too, aren't they?
how do you fuck up the space marine formula?

>>97476444
How do you make these kinds of images?
Got a template?
I want to make some 30k Gachimuchi ones.

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>>97480704
I don't see why not. Once they succeeded in creating the first one, it only stands to reason that they'd repeat the rituals on other types as well.

>>97480811
paint desu

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>>97480815
>cheeky little Khorgorath claw
I never understood why they didn't make a whole kit out of that, maybe the concept was just too retarded even for AoS.

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>>97480705
True. A shame that this is all that remains of those planned Dorfs.

>>97480826
They made refrences to it years later so they didnt scrap it

>>97480704
As long as you use the contemptor base size and put genuine effort in the conversion, I don't see why people would have a problem.

>>97480807
Sheer hubris and contempt.

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>>97480807
you tell me mang

>>97480989
Hate the way GW does chainmail lately. It's not actual chainmail, none of the rings are interlinked, they're all separate from one another. It's just somebody hitting copy-paste ring shape a bunch of times and calling it a day.

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>>97480704
>>97480815
You know what must be done.

Next two journals tactica are Dropsite pt.ii and Raven Guard apparently.
Dropsite sees the release of the other arachnae platforms and has rules for Salamanders Saturnine Pyre Wardens and defensive missions to play using the brand new platforms.
No idea on the name of the Raven Guard one, but there's rules for making Raptors and Alpha Legion bullshit prime advantages

>>97480961
i need to know when all these changes were decided on. i like to keep a timeline on the enshitification of things.

>>97480989
>thin waist again
yeah, trying to be sleek and slimmer just like nuCatas and tranStodes

>>97481019
People from the HH design team have mentioned saturnine terminators already being in development before the launch of 2.0, so the actual decisions on all the changes might have been made close to a decade ago.

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his hammer is tacked on but god the lernaen kit is so good

the body is one piece, the shoulderpads have the lower shoulderpad attached, and are modelled in such a way that you can have the shoulderpads flush with the body

had to get a set of sehkmet terminators for the left arms (only set of left cataphractii arms that don't have the lower shoulderpad modelled on them) but thats okay
tempted to give this guy the bald head from the cataphractii kit but I don't think I have a spare

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>>97481028
and my heavy flamer

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RETVRN TO PHVT

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Has anyone got a high quality scan of the Aeronautica Imperialis Age of Darkness rulebook? The one online is poopoo and lacks the lore/pictures which I'm also interested in.
TIA anons <3

>>97481026
>being in development before the launch of 2.0
doesn't mean decisions weren't made half way through. trannystodes weren't pushed until the amazon deal was a factor.

>>97481039
>The Adeptus Obesitas

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>>97481039

>>97481039
Disgusting...

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>>97481039
A CHALLENGER APPEARS

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>>97481051
UUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOH

>>97481041
Nah, there were people inside GW pushing for female custodes and space marines long before the Amazon deal went through. ADB and Goulding were already trying to force them in when the HH novel series was still being planned out. Femstodes finally appearing to the public lining up with the deal is mostly coincidence, if there'd been no deal with Amazon femstodes would still have happened at the same time regardless.

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>>97481051
>>97481039
>zoomers were unironically indoctrinated by corporate slop styles

>>97481051
The only way somebody can think these look good is severe body dysmorphia. Tr00nscaling is a legit mental illness.

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>>97481056
There were unequivocal "NOs" through the coof on this, anon. "but secret fags were pushing for years" isn't what i'm talking about. when the higher ups caved and said "yes, you are cleared to make trannystodes" is what i'm interested in.

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>>97481064
I think these ones are mostly based off the SM2 firstborn models. Does that make it any better, probably not; they're originally scaled for 40mm bases.

Oddly, his guardsmen look far more reasonable and actually have painted examples.

>>97481074
The first femstodes appeared in what, the 9th edition 40k codex? Rules writing and playtesting usually takes more than a year, add three months for the printed books being shipped from China alone... yeah, femstodes getting the green light from the higher ups was a long time ago. We'll never know exactly when for certain, but considering companies that are ran more competently than GW have decisions and development taking place years in advance it can't have been recent.

>>97481094
10th Edition, anon. But the lore part of the codex is mostly a copy/paste of 9th's anyway.

>>97481094
10th
Good job misremembering, GW has been muddying the water partly in hopes of retards like you rewrite history in their favor.

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>>97481051
>>97481077
you solved for me some aspects as to what will compose in parts a bearer breacher team in early speculation as of now, bigly thank you
this guy has some kino stuff
gonna hybridize them with some sedivalle bits it looks like lmfao holy fucking shit

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>>97481077
>firstborn

>>97481207
This isn't GW muddying the waters, it is me being so completely disinterested in the garbage 40k has become that I refuse to keep track of what happens in it.
Neither is this "rewriting history in GW's favour", as I am arguing GW introducing femstodes being their own decision, without being pressured into it by outside forces. Making femstodes GW's own fuck up, no scapegoats.

Not sure if you're ESL and lack comprehensive reading skills, or just a shitty troll.

Legion Basilisk in plastic when??

>>97481237
>disinterested in the topic
>lazily misremembers facts on forums
>after years of GW trying to muddy the waters on history
Anon, you are literally doing what GW was hoping for. Do the meme arrows help you break down what I'm saying, or do I have to come up with a second way to repeat myself?

>>97481254
>Completely ignores the most important point
Oh so you are just a shitty troll. Get some better material, you suck at this.

>>97480201
>optimal veteran breacher squad ?
Optimal for what? Those power weapons won't do anything to a vehicle for example.
...wait. Unless it's a Death or Glory reaction, all enemy vehicles count as stationary in your own turn, right? That makes them vulnerable to Breaching charges? Chainsword them. And one Lascutter

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>>97481265
>he's this much of a useful idiot that he doesn't think GW wants trannystodes to be seen as "canon as possible"
>he doesn't even know how history is remembered
Anon, I've been saying you are are participating in something that GW has been hoping for.
I'm literally curious on the factual timeline of events, specifically when GW okayed the trannystodes. I don't know what you mean by scapegoating, unless
>he invented an entire "anti-bezos schizo theory" in his head when seeing the word "amazon"
nigga, don't make me say go take a break and touch grass, faggot

>>97481294
No? Death or Glory just means all attacks/shots of the attacking model only one model is allowed to make the death or glory attack hit automatically. Still gotta roll for penetration, and hits are on the front armour instead of the rear like in melee.

>>97481303
Anon, you have literally been arguing that GW is muddying the waters to make themselves look worse. Stop making a fool out of yourself, and learn how to follow a reply chain.

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>>97481324
lmao, what? this is me >>97481019
>i need to know when all these changes were decided on. i like to keep a timeline on the enshitification of things.
And in the meantime, GW publicly has been releasing tweets to own chuds and making bad retcon lore (muddying the water). It's a factual statement, it's not a defense of their actions.
Take the L, and don't make assumptions.

>>97480742
>>97480959
Eben better, the mhara gal is already leviathan sized and on a leviathan's base

>>97481344
>don't make assumptions.
That's rich, coming from the guy assuming somebody calling femstodes a fuck up is in any way supporting or defending the change.

The mortarion pic is very fitting, you're just as much of a hypocrite and schizo.

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>>97481358
>i'm asking when
>he misremembers (what gw wants retards to do)
>tell him "misremembering is what gw want you do"
show me where i said you are "defending femstodes". i've been asking when and telling you misremembering is being a useful idiot

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eeeeyuuup, s'gonna be another banger

>>97481371
Right here:
>>97481207
>GW has been muddying the water partly in hopes of retards like you rewrite history in their favor.

And again. The mis-remembering only. makes. GW. look. WORSE. Seriously, take your meds or something, because you are not living in reality right now.

>>97480425
Etsy hasn't fit that description for years, fuckknuckle, 99% of it is now just rebadged and price-inflated Temu shit.

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>>97481387
GW wants the change to be cemented deeper in history in people's consciousness.
No, it doesn't make them look worse that you forgot when they made the change. Their current official statement is "there have always been female custodes". The further back you, as a person, misremembers (even if you don't like thing), the better their official statement sounds to other idiots who don't know better.

>>97481007
>11w dread
pls no daddy lorgar

Are lascannon contemptors any good? They seem like a squishier (but less in need of babysitting) thallax.

>>97481449
sorry, not contemptor, the lascannon deredeo.

>>97481008
>RG journal
Uuugh Zzz
>there's rules for making Raptors
Yuck
>and Alpha Legion bullshit prime advantages
Yum! I have no idea what that would be though. More so, it will set a dangerous precedent if a legion gets two specific Primes.
Just release Teleport as a Prime baka

>>97481039
>>97481051
I don't know why I think the Alpha Legion routinarily spawns marines that are larger than normal, for their Primarch to hide among (better explanation than Literal Magic).
As in, I remember reading about that...I just don't remember where?

>>97481077
This is some proper proportions, actually

>>97481313
It's just that Reductors are good against buildings and stationary vehicles. But all enemy vehicles are stationary in my turn, no? They aren't moving.
And I imagine breacher charges work the same?

>>97481449
>Thallax
Did you mean thanatar? Because thallax are the smaller infantry robots that come in squads and die en masse to autocannons.

Lascannon deredeo is pretty alright, good damage and strength so can actually kill vehicles. Boreas air defence missiles can now be shot at ground targets using normal BS so those can actually compliment the lascannons now.

>>97481525
Death or Glory happens when the vehicle is moving, so not in your turn when it's your unit using the Death or Glory reaction.

>>97481527
Yes I did.

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happy sunday

>>97481525
>But all enemy vehicles are stationary in my turn, no? They aren't moving.
I am pretty sure thats not how it works.

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>>97481553
to you as well brother
bask always in the eternal victory

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>>97481562
Truth Nuke!

>>97481039
>T5

>>97481611
>I2

>>97481607
>three mags
>only two barrels

Can praevians not take vorax any more?

>>97481699
Nope :^)

>>97481702
Thats a shame, theyre finally worth running.

>>97481607
10 times better then nusaturnine

>>97481419
>Their current official statement is "there have always been female custodes"
Anon that is a statement regarding the in universe state of things, where the official lore position is "yea, turns out there were always female custodes"

It does not mean "actually the lore clarified female custodes way back in the year 2000"

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very occulted lore, but the second legion primarch was a whammen
peer into your heart and you will realize it to be so

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>>97481895
>continues to "misremember"
>continues to be a useful idiot
>continues to use reddit spacing
completely getting the trannystodes edition wrong left you with no credibility in this conversation. then you schizo out inventing fake arguments in your head.
now you are acting like pic related was "just a lore clarification" and not gaslighting. you are now, literally, admitting to falling for trannycore gaslighting, kys

>>97481949
Not the original anon you retarded schizophrenic.
Also, look at your own image you frothing retard. And yes, pic related is obviously a position on the in-universe lore you fucking dipshit, what else would it be? Do you think theyre talking about models or lore from our perspective? Do you think there existed some ten thousand real custodes at some point?

>>97481949
mmm yeah I mean we went over this last thread or the thread before, the original blue book RT lore on Custodes does not gender them and is at pains not to gender them, and you are a big homo for not following that lore autistically and making bare-chested Custodes with big naturals instead of simply consooming the homoerotic bare-chested male RT Custodian models like a peasant who doesn't know how to convert

GW's position here is technically correct, the best kind of correct, and your position is wrong and extremely gay, you incel twink

>>97481949
>when was the kratos tank created
>well they were being phased out by the end of the great crusade so they would have been an early vehicle introduced into the armories of the space marines and would have been there for quite some time relative to other formations and vehicles
>NOOOO STOP GASLIGHTING ME THEY WERE ONLY INTRODUCED IN 2E

Youre fucking dumb. Youre taking a statement talking about the in universe creation of a thing as a statement talking about the out of universe creation of a thing. Things "have always existed" since forever, thats how adding things to a fictional universe works.

>>97481527
>die en masse to autocannons.
What basic infantry in the history of this game DOESN'T die to autocannons??

>>97482011
Custodes.

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>>97481961
>tweet asks "why did you make a new thing"
>response "it's always been a thing"
Their official stance is "shut up and accept what we said, it's always been a thing". notice the second fag responding. literally doing that whole "no, it's true what they said".

>>97481983
>mmm yeah 'technically correct'
>gendering
ywnbaw

>>97482003
observe the fag i responded to just before you, he's arguing "no, see? twist some words around and they are technically correct on tranny stodes". It's the kind of history rewriting faggotry GW is begging to prevail right now.

>>97482037
>>tweet asks "why did you make a new thing"
>>response "it's always been a thing"
Yea, they ignored the random retard on twitter and reiterated the party line (that as far as the lore is concerned there were always female custodes).

>Their official stance is "shut up and accept what we said, it's always been a thing"
Correct. Their official position is "in universe this has always been the case, shut up, move on, buy models". In what world would it ever be anything different? Thats their position on every change in the lore, from grav guns to hellfrost weapons to contekar and saturnine dreadnoughts.

>>97482011
Terminators are still rather resilient to autocannon fire

>>97481838

Are they? WS3 is kind of brutal for them, especially without a magos buddy.

>>97482037
>observe the fag i responded to just before you
What about him and why should I care? Is whatever he said going to make you less of a pathetic retard who doesent understand how "changes to lore" work?

>>97482022
Granted, sir.
>>97482115
Terminators have never been considered 'basic' infantry.

>>97482125
Eh, theyre fairly cheap, durable for the cost, fast and have suppressive 2. Id say theyre worth it even if they hit on 5s.

Theyre going to be outrunning a magos anyways.

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GW is doing a Made to Order run of Armour through the Ages, to remind us of what we have lost These still look better than the latest marine infantry

>>97482149
Didn't they just do this set like a year ago? I wish they would do the Plasma Obliterator, Fortress of Redemption, or Aquila Strongpoint.

>>97482157
Some of GW's terrain wasn't ever made in-house, so we just might never see those ever again.
Terrain is dirt cheap and easy to pr00nt with a filament printer now anyway, there's tons of terrain STLs out there for free if you know where to look.

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>>97481637
Every magazine is a dual magazine for feeding both chambers, so that's 6 magazines. Each stack appears to be a mere 5 bolts deep, so it's a grand total of 45 shots, and needs to be reloaded with three separate actions. Whoops

anyone know where i can get the audiobooks for the siege of terra-- I've finally made it through the rest and I'm in the home stretch!

>>97481555
Stationary vehicles are the ones that didn't move in their respective player's turn, then. But if it moved and then it gets a Pinned result, it's not a stationary vehicle? It did "move during the controlling player's turn", despite it being unable to move now

>>97482224
I would assume stationary vehicles are those that CANT movie. Turrets and the like.

>>97482219
gimme a few minutes and i'll hook u up senpai

>>97482149
The termie characters are neat if they're metal. Telion as well if he's sold separetly.
>>97482157
The planetstrike bastion has been put up to order like 3 times already, and it hasn't been worth the 60 smackers any of the times.

>>97482232
Yawnerz. I want them to be useful and break things, but dreads aren't valid targets, automata aren't valid targets, and most vehicles aren't valid targets.

>>97482245
Blowing up tarantulas is pretty useful desu.

>>97482235
LFG!

>>97482249
Any tactical squad can blow up Tarantulas, plural. I guess Reductors are just a niche specialist

>>97482244
I still got the metal termie chaplain from back in the day, wish characters were allowed indomitus so I could paint it up for HH

>>97482298
>Any tactical squad can blow up Tarantulas
Not very well. The ability for any random thallax unit to reliably do it on the cheap is useful in an army like admech, where your units often tend towards big expensive deathstars.

>>97482412
Tacticals will demolish a tarantula in melee with krak grenades. Like, it takes a fuckin miracle for the tarantula to live through that.

>>97482224
>But if it moved
Then it's not stationary
There's a very specific definition of remaining stationary this edition, and it's a voluntary choice you make during your movement phase. And thus lasts until your next movement phase. Even if you decide not to/forget to do anything with a unit, you've chosen to remain stationary and to not attack

>>97482219
>>97482274
the solar war
https://gofile.io/d/7J9qdD

the lost and the damned
https://gofile.io/d/0gMGrm

the first wall
https://gofile.io/d/oHBoAe

sons of the selenar
https://gofile.io/d/CD3POi

saturnine
https://gofile.io/d/S5kgbQ

fury of magnus
https://gofile.io/d/wT6s8F

mortis
https://gofile.io/d/tZWKiI

warhawk
https://gofile.io/d/Ynzqx0

echoes of eternity
https://gofile.io/d/vY1yFx

garro - knight of grey
https://gofile.io/d/RIdpjb

the end and the death vol.1
https://gofile.io/d/TNF5kS

the end and the death vol. 2
https://gofile.io/d/u83l4f

the end and the death vol. 3
https://gofile.io/d/jzpfLu

era of ruin
https://gofile.io/d/rX5q17

ashes of the imperium
https://gofile.io/d/FW4WP9

>>97482422
Okay, yea in melee they will. But I meant "in shooting"

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>>97482463
Thank you SO much, king! Heresy intensifies!

>>97482463
>garro - knight of grey
Knight of gay more like

>>97482489
He's a big guy

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>>97482531
F̴̛̬̭̮̳̩͖͎̘̮̞͖̮̏̎͛̓͒̍͘͘͝͝O̸̡̡̤͓̮̹̟͉̯̍̍̆͜Ŗ̵̡͙̼̰̻̹̼̺̯̫͔͙͎́͌̎͘ ̴̡̡̝͍̣͙̮̙̳̻͈̮͂̋̕Y̶̢̧̞̯̬̟̫͇͆͊͌̓͗͒̇͊͘͜͝Õ̷̡̼͎̣̫̽̆̾̐̇̒͊͆͂͘̕͝Ű̸̡̧̙̻̟̙͇͔͈̬͚̊́͆̐̆̆̆́͝

>>97482541
the pelt just looks like a turd. The actual saturine terminator looks like a butt plug.

>>97482475
S4 vs AV10, 2HP
+10*2*2/3*1/6
Result: 2.2 HP lost, meaning they can afford to lose one of two marines and they still kill a turret 24" away in shooting, then they charge a closer one and krak it. Turrets can Intercept, Automated Fire (shoots a unit that moved) and Overwatch. They may not Return Fire

>>97476894
>making more money than ever
>commies
uhhhhhh, based? didn't know commies were chill like that

>>97482568
Anon those are glances. The marines only glance the turret with S4 vs AV10.

>>97482382
It's just tartaros armor

>Les tarantulas boogeymen
Nobody uses tarantulas

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>>97482590
Ah fuck, I'm still stuck in 2.0 thinking glances actually do anything useful at all x.x
>Glance a Tarantula
>Rolls Pinned
>mfw

>>97482615
Glances are still worth it (t. had two rhinoes made useless purely through glances) but yea, killing vehicles is hard now. Everything is essentially AV+1

>>97482635
Rhinos have auto-repair 4+ though, status effects don't stick to them for long.

>>97482649
I rolled a two.

>>97482615
Glances will do damage if you roll an already inflicted status in subsequent attacks so it's not impossible. Buy basic infantry guns can't instant kill the sentry turret, that's not a bad thing.

>>97482655
Ouch, yeah no amount of special rules can salvage garbage rolls.

>>97482655
Scrub

Fuck NuSkitarii GW I REMEMBER THE CALTH SKITARII,WHERE ARE MY RAD TROOPERS

Yo I have scans of the new crunch that don’t look like the 3.0 leak Nokia

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1A3wNW6xOgfZV0bEAx7fpUd4bxMZmxDHK

>>97482667
>Google drive
Anon doxxing himself to deny GW sales, such dedication