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>TQ
Literally me

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Soon™

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>>97482893
mirin

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>>97482876
>TQ
I liked how tzeentch kinda made sure slaanesh got cucked

Also kairics are cool.

>>97482876
Why the fuck would you make a new thread already man
>piccolo
I should've known

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>>97482876
>what's your favorite things about the blue bastard?
I'm a fag and the Kairics make my willy happy. Pretty simple.

>With Tzeentch getting expanded
Yes, so long as the new units look like Kairics.

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my favorite thing about tzeentch is YOU FOOL. YOU MORON. YOU UTTER IMBECILE. GET TRICKED. GET TROLLED. GET BAMBOOZLED. FUCK YOU.

>>97482950
I haven’t seen this meme in a while

>page 5 new
You should be embarrassed OP. Shame.

>>97482955
Last was subjectless so it's ok

>>97482946
Bas....ed? I'm not sure.

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>>97482876
>With Tzeentch getting expanded
They're getting a pity hero and some pretty cool terrain, wouldn't really call it expansion just yet.
Either way, I like tzeentch in theory but in practice the army doesn't appeal to me that much. I do like tzaangors but they don't really evoke "god of sorcerers" that much to me. I think tzeentch is probably the most difficult army for sculptors though, it's just tough conceptually to translate change into a static miniature.
Also I think kairics are alright and their idea is funny but as the baseline Infantry of a sorcerer faction they're kind of odd. They're more like a warcry warband type of unit, y'know. Like their whole concept feels more like a one-off gimmick than the backbone of your army.

any of you fine noble gentlemen have the latest battletome for the courtly knights of the flesh

How is my man nagash doing these days?

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>>97482998
Fuck you, my liege.

pmf9v3.pdf

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>>97483001
Not in Epstein files. All clear

>>97483016
nagash was too autistic to get into women
but his novels did have him get a boner on a little girl
>She was very young, Nagash noted at once, still a long way off the full flowering of her beauty. Her lithe body was clad in glorious yellow silk, brought all the way from the strange land that lay across the seas east of Lahmia. Bracelets of delicate, honey-coloured amber decorated her brown wrists, and a necklace of gold and fiery rubies encircled her slender neck. She had a small mouth and a pointed nose that accentuated her high, fine cheekbones and large, almond-shaped eyes that were the colour of polished emeralds. Despite her youth, she stood beside the empty throne with great poise and dignity. She was serene and utterly radiant. In time, Thutep’s betrothed might become the greatest queen Nehekhara had ever known.

>Nagash had never felt beguiled by a woman at any point in his life. The thought of emotional attachment or dependency was repellent to him, and could only be a hindrance to his ambitions, and yet, the moment he saw the queen, Nagash found himself gripped with a terrible, burning desire. His hands, hidden within the depths of his voluminous sleeves, clenched into grasping claws. The thought of the horrors he could inflict on such sanctified flesh nearly swept every other ambition out of the Grand Hierophant’s mind. Only the thunderous cheer of the assembled throng brought Nagash out of his cruel reverie and focused him once more on the matter at hand

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>>97483065
Fake news, nagash is into older women, like me!

>>97483065
>the moment he saw the queen, Nagash found himself gripped with a terrible, burning desire. His hands, hidden within the depths of his voluminous sleeves, clenched into grasping claws. The thought of the horrors he could inflict on such sanctified flesh nearly swept every other ambition out of the Grand Hierophant’s mind
Truly the supreme lord of inceldom.

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>>97483105
>>97483065

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>>97483105
You know the funniest part? the guy getting crowned and married to the cute girl was his younger brother.

That makes nagash very close in his experience as another character.

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>>97483065
>>97483120
DELET THIS

>>97483120
>spoiler is just nagash again
At last I truly see

>>97482794
GW is a british company, of course their token is a paki

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>>97482876
>TQ
Big Bird is what got me interested in playing the table top to begin with.

Rumor going around that new CoS stuff will get previewed at Adepticon next month. How we feeling about that? As a CoS player I'd like it, but I feel like they'd probably preview Ogors or something else first.

>>97483065
>Supreme necro autist
>Can't even appreciate the brown loli queen properly
God damn Nagash is a fag

>>97483279
Damn those are some big fucking wings
>>97483334
Makes sense for CoS to be first imo, rumourmongers have leaked the whole damn range update already, while for ogres it's still a bit more vague. I expect them to come in the post 40k early autumn, and then dorfs as a christmas/early jan release like nurgle was now. With obr out of the way every other release should just be tomes and pity herors right? That cleans things up nicely for the end of edition releases in the first half of 2027 like they're doing now for 40k.

>>97483334
Maybe they do both at the same time, a return to vs boxes?

>>97483334
Depends, if we get cogforts that's more hype than anything they could show for ogors. Ideally we get cogforts and a regiment of renown for them, depending on the final design I'd love to do a steampunk conversion with my KO dudes

Do we think any of the remaining death models left over from Fantasy are due for a refresh any time soon? The Corpse Cart and necromancer look old but neither look bad. Vargeists and Hexwraiths are pretty shit though. The Mortarchs must be due for something too.

>>97483395
Vs boxes are just existing models plus usually a single new hero or unit to help sell things, with the exception of edition launch boxes of course. They wouldn't release two massive waves in a single box randomly in the middle of an edition like that. Now on that note there are rumours floating around that CoS will star in a sort of spearhead starter box opposite eshin skaven, so like a medium vs box. I think that's a bit more likely as spearhead means around ~3 new units and a hero each, which seems more doable.

>>97483334
Not surprising at all, according to all rumors the schedule for big releases is CoS this summer, Ogres in the Fall, Fyreslayers last.

>>97483105
At the end of that book Nagash seizes the queen, and then violates/tortures her so bad she goes insane, and then uses her to literally violate the covenant between the people and the gods, making the gods abandon the people.

>>97483508
I don't like thinking about these things in patterns, because almost every time, when they got to the armies I actualkly care about, the pattern was dropped. Both for the VS boxes, and warcry. Still waiting on that Slaanesh warband...

>>97483361
>>97483556
Yeah, that in mind it does make a bit more sense. I'm expecting OBR sometime this month or in March, then Cities preview at Adepticon with a release in May or June. Supposedly summer is supposed to be a new edition for 40K, but I suppose we'll learn more next month.

>>97483395
There's a sort of VS box rumored with opposing Spearhead releases, but it's CoS vs Skaven, with the rats getting a new named Deathlord and some Eshin themed units (i.e. new Gutter Runners)

>>97483407
I'm actually not entirely sure cogforts will be this early. Talk of the Freeguild gargant model has me thinking we might be getting that first, then cogforts as an EoE release towards the end of the year/beginning of next year. Though I guess it wouldn't be impossible for them to just blast everything at us all at once.

I dont wanna start a power level discussion but is a blood knight champion on par or stronger than a chaos knight?

>>97483793
Used to be stronger in lore. Not sure about rules or current lore. Knights used to be one hair away from being a vampire lord.

>>97483793
>let me preface by saying I don’t want to do what I am about to do (under no duress of any kind)
Hey there cutie. Post bobs and vagine

>>97483793
Stronger than chaos knight, probably at least equal to a chosen chaos knight, a bit stronger than a grail knight.

>>97483679
Does he do it sexually or just regular torture? What sort of violation we talking?

>>97483826
Vampire lords used to be insanely powerful.
It's a shame that non named characters have lost that.
A foot vampire should be 250 points and be able to decimate any other foot hero in a duel

>>97484212
Speaking of vamps, anybody have that Last Volturi book? I can’t find it anywhere. Were there any good Old World vampire books?

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Trying to figure out a good color combination for my deathrattle skellies that isn’t just “Ossiarch Bonereapers”

>>97484333
the generic OBR scheme has dark blue with green accents while the normal SBG scheme is more red. I would full send either the light blue with yellow/gold accents or purple/gold but not both. Unless your planning to do some gradients, deep purple and teal/turquoise will clash

>>97484377
Thanks! I’ve got 20 with their rags base coated in Lupercal Green, will highlight with Kabalite green, armor will be Balthazar Gold, edge highlight with Brass Scorpion.

>>97482876
>TQ
How he is the master of magic and all of his followers are potent wizards. I have always gravitated towards magic using classes in RPGs

>>97483653
God, from the thumbnail, kemmler's staff looks like a particularly evil umbrella

>>97485054
Rihanna tried to warn us

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>>97482876
Soon

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>>97484333
Paint 'em as the Legions of Nulahmia.
This is the based choice.

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>>97485246
>nulahmia
Based

>>97485155
Are you saying we need Doro?

>>97482876
I like the artistic depictions of tzeentchian warriors and chosen. Shame they don't have any.

>>97483334
Is it greatswords? Because that's the gaping hole in the army.

>>97485460
They're supposed to be getting a full unit of arch knights filling that role yes.
According to the rumours they're probably going to be getting a full blown second wave, not just a little extra unit or two and a hero like obr. Like 3 new centrepieces, coupe of heroes, 2 or 3 new infantry units, ...

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>>97485443
>TFW I want to paint my DoK like that but I already painted them the same colour as my Delves

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>>97485573
Even the supreme lord himself wasn't safe from the reaper...

>>97485573
I hate how you can tell everyone learned a new word from a thing and spams it

>>97485586
Is that why he makes Nighthaunt with hairy skulls?

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>>97485587
What, norwood or doro?
>>97485590
Look at the hairline on this dude. Brutal.

>>97485599
god damn clean that fucking shit

>>97485628
Filename

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>>97485451
they have this

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>>97485645
and this

>>97485628
I wish I has one of these to clean man.
Also I'd build the cool crown helmet instead of the copecut.

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>>97485648
and this

>>97485648
>>97485653
They're kind of just chosen with some blue jewels on them desu, not as unique as say blight kings or twinsouls. I think gw would find a way to differentiate them more, although how exactly I wouldn't know. Maybe harken back to some of the old ian miller stuff?

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>>97485666
I kinda want to see Tzeentch chosen with 3 arms, 2 wielding a greatweapon while a third is throwing or holding a warp flame fireball. Tzeentch chosen should be capable of shooting and melee.

>>97485671
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>>97485675
This is gallagher right? Already feels a lot more tzeentchy. I like the faces in the armour, it's something that chaos has kind of moved away from so would be nice to bring back for tzeentch. Also like the weird weapon shapes and the sorcerer cape.
Also the first image reminds me a lot of kairics. Warrior equivalents (like rotsword of blood warriors) in that style could be a good way to bridge the gap between kairics and potential new armoured tzeentch mortals.

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>>97482876
Changecurse changes your body, mind and soul. Not only does your body twists and turns into a man-bird-beast. Your memories are also overwritten. Do you remember your father's face? Suddenly in your twisted memories he has a beak. Tomorrow? Another day in warflock, like yesterday, like one year ago, like always. Tzeentch revealed your true form. You are a Tzaangor? "Always have been". Perfect gaslighting. Just As Planned™.

Tzeentch really is the worst.

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>>97485710
Or literally just bring back forsaken, they are already tzeentch-coded anyway.

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>>97485714
they have little runes for all the gods actually, some bits were more or less overtly intended for nurgle and slaanesh as well

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>>97485482
Yeah going by the rumors CoS will be an actual complete feeling army after the update. Not that there's nothing else they can add, but all the obvious roles will be covered.

>>97485714
>they are already tzeentch-coded
They look too out of shape to be DoT

>>97485714
Very odd kit. Only around for a couple years too, I don't think they were ever released for aos.
>>97485740
These are the rumours I remember:

-arch knight unit
-axe + gun unit
-some sort of refreshed battlemage kit
-named character who hates elves
-named character ... who also hates elves but on a chimera or something this time
-new priest hero idk this one is vague
-two gate gargants
-cogfort (RoR for everyone like mega gargants)

I wonder if all of this will be shown off during adepticon though, it's quite a lot. We'll see.

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>>97485754
>cogfort (RoR for everyone
We won

>>97485723
>>97485746
easily fixable by fluff
>tzeentch mutates the warriors of other gods to fight as his footsoldiers
there, done

>>97485740
>>97485754
Followup, you guys think all the leftover whfb stuff is surviving this edition's battletome? With nucities becoming an actually decent range there will be even less reason to keep them around. I figure gw can probably squeeze more money out of the old dark elf stuff if they "officially" released them for tow rather than keeping them around in cos where nobody gives a fuck about them.

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>>97485754
>arch knight unit
I think people will be disappointed by this one because they are expecting ARCH knights with the same bulk or weirdness as the ones we've seen so far, but they're not actually arch knights, they're "freeguild gallants" or some shit, with weapon and shield

so basically closer to a step in-between steelhelms and the darkwater guy than the cooler guys

>>97485769
They're confirmed to be staying in the tome for 4th.

>>97485769
Rumors say that dark elves and normal dwarfs are still in this book. Probably because the decision to cut aos and fantasy is still relatively fresh and the proper new dwarfs and new shade elves are going to be released at the end of the edition if not next edition.

In any case I wouldn't invest in them.

>>97485780
Imo the unit will have an Arch as a 1-off champion like the horse kit. Rest will be normie knights

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>>97485648
Honestly these designs looked better in my memory. Only motif I'd like to see transferred to plastic would be the bunny helmets and the eye orbs.
>>97485671
I dont like seeing skinny people in armor. It elicits the same response as seeing someone in those bdsm outfits, its just uncanny.
>>97485672
Ideal.Well not the weapons, weapons are kinda too much.
>>97485675
halberds are cool. Should be THE tzeentch weapon imo.
>>97485676
This is whatever. Some stuff out of cartoon network.
>>97485684
The vore motif is honestly really easy to become numb too and see it as the authors fetish or something
>>97485689
twig arms are lame. They dont elicit horror or anything really. Maybe they're okay on spawn but beyond that I dont ever want to see that, and if I do its best left as a conversion for me to achieve.
>>97485694
Im pretty sure tzaangor have some of these banners, I think at least.
>>97485704
I cant remember the last time GW made cool weapons for a unit. Or rather something that stood out. I guess there was the embargard knight for darkwater but thats a hero.
>>97485707
My issue with these and the magister design is that at some point they feel more like cockroaches than whatever warped sheanigan they are supposed to be that isnt avian.

>>97485780
Mhyea, I'm curious as well. I hope we'll get some like the steel rook or bear/fishlizard knight, something that really evokes the animal they're claiming as an arch knight. But they'll probably look closer to edmark, who is ...fine but is also just a dude with a manticore on his helm y'know. Although rotswords shows they can do knights really well if they want to. Just please make sure they don't look anything like bretonnian foot knights please please please.
>>97485789
I like the over the top weird halberds. Feels like they're changing shape all the time, like some sort of daemonic mercury.
I agree that the second image has the best looking design, the evil sorcerer cloak design is so stupid and amazing I love it.

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tzeentch and lumineth prices for anyone curious, seems like the battleforce have the standard pricing

That was quick, OBR could be this month too given 40k is on end of edition life support and Warcry is dead

>>97485884
I will be ordering 3 boxes worth of the tzeentch terrain

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Did BoC summon daemons in the fluff

>>97485932
Don't recall any instance

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>>97485932
not really. they'd spread chaos corruption, which would then lead to demons manifesting. But i dont think they directly summon them.

>>97485932
Daemons more appeared because of the innately corruption nature of Beastmen. They didn't really directly summon them.

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>>97485932
The most recent example of it is Foulhoof summoning the Cankerborn.

>>97485973
This is wrong actually. Gelgus learned the methods of corrupting the land from him but he is responsible for the Cankerborn not Foulhoof so there's probably more to it.
Maybe when BoC were souped in WHFB they could through universal spells or something, though? I've only read of them corrupting with mutations like in Beastslayer which is chaos magic but not demon summoning. I don't think there's ever been a Beastmen demon prince either?

>>97485973
Very cool mini

>>97485990
>Beastmen demon prince
That would be fucking awesome.

WHY THE FUCK GW decided not to release designers notes in new White Dwarf for new Maggotkin (for all non-Darkwater Nurgle stuff such as Festus, Blight Kings, Rotswords, Sloven Knights, Pestigors).

Such a amazing aesthethic and they choose not to include designer notes like they did for Helsmiths of Hashut for example in White Dwarf.

It is over.

>>97486109
Designer's notes and shit like that is one of the few good things about white dwarf anyway. What a shame. Oh well.

>>97486048
It wouldn't really make any sense since their souls belong to chaos at birth

>>97486109
There's no designers commentary because the designs are straightforward instead of having been eaten and regurgitated and eaten again behind the scenes for who knows how many years.
They don't need someone to tell you why you should like them or awkwardly justify why they don't look the way people wanted them to look.

>>97486218
New nurgle is quite a departure from old nurgle though. They're ironically a lot more realistic than the whfb mortal wave. There's also the folk horror angle to consider. Idk would've been nice too get some behind the scenes looks at the process.

>>97486214
So do skaven souls, but they still have a patron entity with its own demons, some of them ascended or reincarnated mortals.

Beastmen could be the same with morghur, but gw cares about beastmen even less than the chaos gods.

>>97486225
>Beastmen could be the same with morghur, but gw cares about beastmen even less than the chaos gods
To be fair it looked like they were planning to do some shit with beasts during the season of war stuff. But 3e being a mess + the tow divorce kind of fucked that up.
Also it's funny that beasts notoriously get treated like shit by gw as a product but whoever's in charge of rules for them consistently gives them powerful and fun stuff.

>>97486218

NTA but given the whole folk rural horror plus Celtic element, it would have been fascinating to read designer commentary.

>>97486223

Precisely. Designer commentary also often adds pieces of additional lore not found even in battletome.

I do wish Nurgle would take more cues from 40k Nurgle and having big ass armored behemoths and not just fatboys.

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>>97486270
Your big ass armored behemoths sir

>>97486218
I adore the new Maggotkin, but a in-depth desinger notes in WD really explores how they came with new aestethics, they explore various details and so on. Very cool stuff.

>>97486270
They all are pretty fucking armored? Blight Kings could use more armor though.

>>97486295
Better but
>>97486302
Yeah Blight Kings aren't my bag.

I could have sworn there used to be just like...shirtless raiders, but maybe those were older models? Hm.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ijbn2gge/inscribe-runes-and-create-power-from-harmony-with-the-dazzling-new-lumineth-realm-lord-battle-trait/
I’m gonna LOOM!

>>97486270
Fuck off.

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>>97486337
>It's a hidden dragon behind the mountain! It's totally Umbraneth/Malerion!

>>97485769
if the rumors are true, dispossesed and fyre slayers are getting souped, so it makes sense that they haven't gotten rid of them yet. I'm a little suprised they haven't shunted the dark elf stuff back to the old world like they did with BoC. Maybe they have plans for them, but I dont' know what that would be.

>>97486350
needs more cows.

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>>97486350
You can see it was this terrain piece that created the silhouette people mistook for a noodle dragon

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>>97486321
>shirtless raiders,
Like as nurgle units? Maybe you're just thinking of old chaos marauders that someone ran in a nurgle army or something?
>>97486337
Damn this rune stuff looks pretty intricate. That's all new right? Glad they're at least experimenting with battletomes now.
>>97486355
Iirc it's not so much that the existing dispossessed models get souped with fyreslayers, it's that fyreslayers are getting renamed and expanded with normal-ish dwarfs.
As for dark elves we'll see, I'm not too knowledgeable on the tow timeline but I'm pretty sure they're supposed to do a big invasion of ulthuan around the time of the great war right? Their return seems the easiest out of all the legacy factions, as again it's not like many CoS players care about them. I'm sure there's some, but still.

>>97486385
>Like as nurgle units? Maybe you're just thinking of old chaos marauders that someone ran in a nurgle army or something?

Yeah maybe I'm just mistaken. I know the Lord Of units do nothing for me though.The Sloven Knights however are great and would like more of that aesthetic.

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>>97486365
no, it wasn't

>>97486350
>>97486365
>>97486418
I'm so confused I have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about.
>>97486407
Sloven knights are great, though them being mega monopose like that really sucks. It's nurgle so it's not the hardest to convert but it puts a bit of a damper on an otherwise stellar (imo) refresh.

>>97486337
IM LOOMING ALL OVER THE PLACE

>>97486440
>Sloven knights are great, though them being mega monopose like that really sucks.

Thats a shame. It sounds like the rest of the refresh isn't that as much? I've been off the wagon for a while so I just assume most things are Monopose latetly.

>>97486214
One of the beastmen chaos mutations in TOW makes it clear it's a possibility:
>Rune of the Beast Ascendant: The Beastman's horns have twisted into the semblance of a potent daemonic rune. This promise of ascendency to the ranks of Daemonhood fills its followers with courage.

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>>97486440
There's something behind this rock
we don't know what, but it's clear enough that the rocks were shopped over

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MOO MOTHERFUCKER

>>97486445
Maybe monopose doesn't reallly cover what I was trying to say, I just mean it comes with virtually no options. Those 3 weapons are all you're getting, and a whopping 2 extra heads or something. Same story for blightkings, just a single extra weapon (and that's just for when you want to build the bannerbearer without his bamner), no extra heads. Rotswords do seem to have a good amount of extra weapons and stuff at least. No clue for pestigors. But yeah your sloven knights and blight kings are going to look EXACTLY like everyone else's l, which is a real shame when compared to the previous kit y'know. even if I thought that one was kind of fugly ngl
>>97486447
Oh that little black "tail"? And how old is that pic?

>>97486337
This is so autistic I love it

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Daily reminder that Tzeentch is femboy/twink faction. Loving all that bussy.

>>97486515
even in the battle tome they sneaked in a tzzangor.

Which I dont mind because it looks cool, just wish he wasnt in a literal corner.

>>97486337
Maybe I'm going crazy but this rune stuff actually... looks cool?
>>97486515
>>97486529
I get why they do it but I really hope they move on from this "one character in front of nondescript coloured background" battletome cover style. It's so soulless.

>>97486337
Actually cool army rules for once. Also
> like updated spell lores,
Finally we get multiple spell lores back. Good times for Loomies are coming.

>>97486418
The heck

>>97486515
the art quality is good but I really wish they didn't pick the magister on disc of all things for the cover. It's just not a good design.

>>97486696
Vortemis would be cooler

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>>97486696
Personally I love this design.

>>97486780
I'm just not in love with the long forehead face and the chicken feet. I'm probably going to kitbash mine with a tzaangor head. The tzaangor shaman exists but I do like the more dynamic pose of the magister

>>97486515
This >>97482946 is femboy/twink to you? Damn... What are gays doing these days man?

Has the LRL book leaked?

>>97485973
I am convinced this miniature was meant to be Ghorragan Khai holding what's left of Morghur. Too clean to be a pestigor.

>>97487213
Darkwater pestigors have a subtheam of having parts of their skull exposed.
Plus he has pee pee poo poo on his base

It is surreal how much love Nurgle gets in WHFB and then AoS and 40k compared to other Chaos gods.

Death Guard range is far larger then TS, WE or EC. And it still looks like GW has basically no plans on actually doing a proper large second wave for TS or WE. EC range is going to follow the same pattern as WE or TS.

In AoS, Bok and HoS did get a release wave and then still fucking nothing. 4ed Khorne got a pity hero and Slaanesh will get the same (Boole confirmed). Slaanesh also did not get a proper Wacry warband? Why?

Meanwhile, Nurgle had stuff from WHFB. He got a few pity heros (although brilliant such as Harbinger) plus amazing Rotmire Creed and then they get a ultra massive magnificient release.

Meanwhile, Tzeench in AoS is basically forgotten. And in 3ed Tzeentch tome, there is quite cool lore. Still fucking nothing.

>>97487256
Blame 40ks thousand sons.

>>97487256
Tzeentch just got a pity hero AND faction terrain, don't be so greedy anon. Still 5 more years for a flamers refresh and a new unit that isn't a hero.

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>>97487315
I still don't understand what you guys want from a refresh of these they're still gonna look retarded

>>97486447
It's Malerion

>>97487366
This year! 100%! It's the year! Finally! This time for sure!

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>>97487358
it can be done better, you just don't like the concept

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>>97486515
Moo yourself, faggot.

>>97487411
that's not particularly different, or better, now it's just in a different style compared to the rest of the sculpts of this game

>>97487315
>flamers refresh
You faggot should he beaten to death with a sock full of metal pink horrors.

>>97487455
>beaten to death with a sock full of metal pink horrors.
Slaanesh gains a new fetish.

Can you run chaos armies together in sigmar? I've only painted warhammer 40k minis but sigmar is making it really tempting to create a slaanesh-tzeentch mix army. I'm only asking because 40k is gutting demons hard.

>>97487495
Not anymore. In Fourth Edition alliances were thrown from the window.

>>97487495
you could ally in a regiment of reknown, but other than that souping isnt a thing anymore for the most part.

>>97487501
>>97487514
What the fuck, does GW just hate fun? Why are they even in an army together?

>>97487570
they arent in an army together?

>>97487581
I mean alliance.

>>97487599
regiments of reknown for the most part.

>>97487256
From my understanding, there’s apparently a senoir sculptor that really likes Nurgle on the team and I imagine he’s simply pumping out more sculpts than everyone else for his favorite Chaos faction.

How good are the Darkwater models in Maggotkin? Is it worth my money to just pick up the whole box or are there a particular model or two I should get separate.

>>97485754
I like how GW is slowly giving up and turning AoS into WHFB2
In 4 years all the gods are gonna be dead and memes in the setting

>>97487714
Yeh when i think wfb i think giant spider robot in every faction

>>97487714
How many times do you have to be reminded that the garbage bin for leftovers was just that? it was never meant to be a fundamental or important element of this setting and it isn't outside of your wishes

I don’t empire of man had giants, but I could be wrong.

>>97487741
giants were available to everyone at one point

>>97487747
So was your mother. Doesn’t mean she’s part of their identity.

>>97487714
>I like how GW is slowly giving up and turning AoS into WHFB2
I mean, it was always the direct sequel to WHFB. That was explicitly stated on the tin, and a major selling point. It's also the main reason TWW kiddies seethe so much about it.

>>97487758
weird projection, but alright

>>97487411
I like the concept I just don't see the point in updating it

>>97487758
kek gottem

>>97487702
The two spellcasters are actually quite good.

Gelgus is okay, not bad but maybe a bit expensive to auto include in most lists

The fat hand + axe hero guy makes a fantastic WYSIWYG Lord of Plagues, which is great because that guy is really good.

Pestigors are surprisingly good meatshields, more points efficient for the wound count than blight kings

The mortal guys with kelpies are decent at spreading disease tokens before dying, which is fine since disease does a lot of your army's damage

Blight templars can be blight kings if you can source two more fat guys for them

Cankerborn aren't terrible

I think the whole set is awesome to build and paint, but was pleasantly surprised at how much of it is pretty usable in a normal list

>>97487758
Kek

>>97487828
>I think the whole set is awesome to build and paint, but was pleasantly surprised at how much of it is pretty usable in a normal list
Im shocked they made kelpies and tokens actually real game models

>>97487599
The grand alliance thing is kind of a relic of how early aos worked. These days it only really matters for regiments of renown and grouping armies together in the webstore.

>>97485246
Which battletome is this from?

>>97487920
It's from the Realmgate Wars. One of the first two books, can't recall which.

>>97487877
Me too, my only wish is that templars were their own unit. Everything else worked out PRETTY damn well.

>>97487926
its from RGW Balance of Power

>>97487942
Yeah that's a shame. Is their sprue shared with some of the heroes or something? Or is that they thought they had enough big fat guy units in the army already?

>>97488095
Yeah, the hero with the fat arm and axe (Could easily be a 4 man unit)

>>97488100
Oh just mulgoth? Not any of the good guys? That's odd, would've been a very easy "mulgoth plus blight templars" box to sell.

>>97487256
IF AoS has a longer future (say for next 20 years), I can tell you right now that Nurgle, Slaanesh, Khorne, Hashut and Great Horned Rat will be explored with numerous release waves. Maybe they even bring back Beasts of Chaos.

But as a Tzeentch fan, I also tell you that we will always be the neglected child. Tzeentch could have the most amazing range but it is too abstract god to properly capture. Look at Underworlds team, it is excellent yet Tzeentch in AoS is always going to appeal to a smaller crowd.

>>97485780
They're most likely going to be just CoSified bretonnian knights of the realm on foot.

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>>97487926
>>97487962
Thanks anons. On a related note, are old battletomes worth reading for the lore? I saw a bunch of pretty cheap 1e/2e books on ebay and Vinted and I was wondering if they were any good

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My evening WIP, post yours

>>97485460
Rumor I've heard is:

-Named character Marshal on foot (Apparently has a grudge with DoK, not much else known)

-Named Battlemage on Chimera

-Heavy infantry foot knights (Freeguild Gallants, some people saying a full unit of arch-knights, but it's probably closer to something like Cavaliers where an arch-knight leads the unit)

-Specialized heavy ranged (Freeguild Grenadiers is a name that's been tossed around)

-New Battlemage character kit (Bright, Amethyst, and Light mentioned directly)

-New Warpriest

-Freeguild Gargant (Possibly mega-gargant sized, multiple build options)

-Cogforts (Huge kit with multiple build options, will include RoR bits to run with other Grand Alliances)

-Faction terrain

And a few discussed but not really elaborated on:

-Monstrous infantry (Ogor warhulks with either clubs & tower shields or greatmauls, supposedly)

-Light ranged skirmishers (Halflings, apparently some may appear with the new cogfort)

-New flagellants (OGs getting legended and kit moved over to TOW, new models & rules potentially slated for 5th edition)

>>97487256
So, before I even speak on this I'll acknowledge that my familiarity with 40K lore is rudimentary at best; there's a reason I chose Votann, the faction that just wants to diggy diggy hole and maximize profits while keeping the insanity around it at bay. Anyway, the lore reason for why DG get so much love is that, as I understand it, their primarch is a bit of an innovator, and for example I believe he designed the plaguecrawlers. 1KSons doesn't get much love (seriously, anything that isn't in power armor is literally sloppy seconds from AoS) because most of them are tortured souls and dust trapped in their armor, not even sentient in the traditional sense, and the few who do have sentience are all scheming bastard sorcerers. Still, it would be nice if some sorcerer's autism manifested in a need to design a tank that had a gun that tore holes in reality or something. World Eaters are, by their nature, kind of one note, and are mostly scattered war bands. Slaanesh damn near got squatted, so ignoring the fact that I'm just happy it's still around, I'd say they're the most likely to get cool vehicles and esoteric units in their next wave; most people just write off Slaanesh as the god of sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll, and that's part of it, but at it's core Slaanesh is a god of excess, of obsession; I imagine a Tech-Marine who falls under the influence of she-who-thirsts could design some truly diabolical warmachines, and then of course he and his friends start trying to one up each other...

In AoS yeah the Maggotkin are eating the best, but Hedonites are still eating well. Khorne hasn't gotten much since first edition, but at least it has some variety, the problem with Khorne is collecting the army is way more convoluted than it needs to be. Tzeentch is definitely in dire need of something more than the obligatory irrelevant foot hero. Across all flavors of Chaos to me the most glaring need is for daemons (aside from GD) that don't look like straight ass.

>>97488266
>include RoR bits to run with other Grand Alliances
That was never part of the leak and would obviously never happen

>>97488233
Please, anything but that. If it weren't for kamendora's blades those might just be the ugliest sculpts gw has released in the past 5 years. Even darkoaf marauders are better.

>>97488255
Nice anon, are you using contrast paints?

>>97488317
Mostly yes. I have non-contrast armies as well, but I’ve really grown to use 70/30 contrast/regular paints in my hobby. I’d like to think I’ve become pretty ok at using them too.

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>>97486515
>Loving all that bussy
Do you think Tzeentch has breedable cuntboys or is mpreg stuff more Slaanesh?

>>97487920
Realmgate Wars: Balance of Power.
The Realmgate Wars campaign books are worth a ready imo.

>>97488244
2nd edition is when the lore peaked so anything from that time is worth reading tbhon.

>>97488266
>mega gargant sized.
I doubt the gate gargants will be mega-sized, especially since they're apparently a double kit thing like for example stormdrakes.
>halflings
Would be very cool but CoS will never ever lose the fantasy imperial guard allegations in that case.
>>97488346
Good stuff anon, you use it well. The bone coloured one is probably the best contrast paint, it's very good.

>>97488266
This is just your schizo wishlist version of the leaks

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>>97488266
So Shitties of Smegmar is literally just being turned into fantasy imperial guard, with the exact same limits are the Empire in WHFB.

Thats lame as fuck.

>>97488266
Big Yellerz are the only non-CoS thing that could theoretically justify an upgrade sprue for a cogfort and even that is never happening

>>97488399
Skaven?

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>>97488404
Skaven don't need it and definitely wouldn't be getting a sprue for it if they were even allowed to take the ror in the first place

>>97488266
>Faction terrain
I dont think thats real.

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>>97486515
>>97488366

So if Tzeentch is a god of CHANGE, that means all those sexy transbabes are its domain (pic very much related).

>>97488397
Yeah all those giants, foot knights, grenadiers and mechanical spider leg forts in the Imperial Guard.

>>97488382
>halflings? IN A FANTASY SETTING?!
>It's 40k!
The absolute state of zoomers

>>97488515
Going from an army of equal amounts of humans/elves/dwarfs to 99% humans with a token unit of ogres and halflings (as scouts no less) is very much the imperial guardisation of CoS.

>>97488266
It's always funny seeing retarded people bastardize leaks

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>>97487658
Makes you wonder how much hate was in the heart of the sculptor for these

>>97488399
>upgrade sprue for a cogfort
shouldn't be a thing
your proxies should be labours of love

>>97487758
Giants were featured as a semi regular thing in the empire for fantasy. Such as having a giant to load the gargantuan cannon of the city of middenheim.

>>97488710
"Oh man I just played mortla kombat 1 and baraka is totally khorne coded! Let me make a unit of Barakas."

>>97488710
Sometimes it's not hate but incompetence
GW repurposes a number of the test sculpts they ask from potential hires, and the further down we go the least likely that new blood is truly talented people, who could strike out as sculptors on their own without attaching to gw, rather than desperate fans of gw and diversity hires

>>97488824
Test sculptors do individual sculpts not squads. A lot of those commemorative characters/pity heroes are free projects done by people trying out for working at GW. From a business pov it’s quite genius.

>>97488830
>Test sculptors do individual sculpts not squads
You're a fool if you think they aren't asked for simple squads as well from time to time.

>>97487731
You don’t need to have garbage bin leftovers without discarding the foundational lore of the setting. It’d kill GW to have duardin engineers? Aelf scouts and mages? How the fuck did we get Ogors before either? and I say this as a nigga that thinks the concept of second generation Ogors fucking rules.

>>97488767
I think the anon meant in the sense of a dedicated giant model specific to that faction, rather than background art or random mercenary models anyone can take
>>97488830
Asking your potential hire to make a random underworlds warband seems like the perfect way to test if they can actually make a coherent unit rather than a single model though.

>>97488861
Sorry we can’t give you cosmopolitan cities but we can give you a dead Aelf capital city and genocide cults

>>97488861
>It’d kill GW to have duardin engineers? Aelf scouts and mages?
why? elves and dwarfs are already getting their aos ranges, no elf or dwarf fan wants elves and dwarfs in the human army, and if someone gets into a human army then it's for humans.

>>97488896
>why would we give you the army we promised to you in the core books and battletome
Oh shit yeah you’re right I have no reason to be confused. I’m confused again, why did you bring up other armies that are not cities of sigmar and are not expected to look like cities of sigmar? Do you think those armies are solely defined by being short? Or tall and very pointy?

>>97488896
Nta but who gives a fuck about what dwarf or elf players want for a CoS release? Cosmopolitanism was a huge part of the faction's identity up until 3 years ago it's not unreasonable to assume that the existing playerbase would like to see more of that instead of halflings or whatever (although personally I would never complain about the latter).

>>97488896
How do you feel about hobgrots being in helsmiths

>>97488710
The bulldog deserves better than to be in this kit
Free my dawg

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>>97488939
>the army we promised to you in the core books and battletome
>>97487731

>>97488830
>A lot of those commemorative characters/pity heroes are free projects done by people trying out for working at GW
I find that hard to believe purely because I can't believe that some of the most interesting and cool looking models might have been done as a fucking try out.

>>97489077
I think it was always foolish to expect a refreshed cos to retain anything even close to the same ratio of humans, elfs and dorfs but like that anon said not even a single elf/dorf character or simple unit does kind of suck. Like they clearly still exist in the fluff as of now.
Makes me wonder if they'll write them out actually. Dorfs you can justify as joining the new khazalid soup but elfs will be a bit more difficult. Which would be fucking lame anyway give me my jolly cooperation cities they're like the one interesting thing about them.

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i wish there was a full collective of underworlds card art.

I fully expect the new duaradin to be shared between cos and slayers.

>>97489037
I think they are a waste of a kit for a unit whose role would have already been covered by the warcry kit and by the other hobgrot kit, if gw wasn't retarded, allowing them to use that release slot for something that would have fleshed out this new and miniscule range more than a redundant kit whose only reason to exist is to have a few hats that wink at an old concept, when the entire faction is trying to reinvent itself.

>>97489126
...why? This goes against everything they've been doing for the past however many years. With the exception of RoR's I guess the only time I can remember them making crossover kits in recent memory was the sbgl/nh terrain. Like they made entirely new hobgrots and everything.

>>97489126
I fully expect you to be disappointed.

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>>97489124
Same

>>97489082
Some of them might have been made by veterans simply testing out multiple ideas they had.

>>97489082
Have you considered that you think they're cool because they're limited?
Or that people get hired as already perfectly formed sculptors instead of having to learn the job once hired?

>>97486337
>ramp mechanic in a game that's over by turn 3, time to join khorne, idk and chorfs in the dumpster.
> +/- X to hit/wound/charge/run rules

oof

Hey anons, back again trying to keep sane.

With the ogres, I've wound up with an excess of Mournfangs thanks to some odd lots I got. Is there enough leftover from a gnoblar scrap launcher/ cannon to make the other thing if I have a base and an extra mournfang?

>>97489100
>but elfs will be a bit more difficult.
They're been playing up CoS Xenophobia against elves since Broken Realms. And the newest wave includes no less than two elf-hating special characters. Writing is on the wall on that one.

>>97489280
Iirc both variations use the same "chassis" with the giant tusks and a platform on wheels and just exchange the weapons. You'd have to do a good amount of greenstuffing I'm afraid. That being said the thing is pretty rickety you could probably scratch-build the platform easily enough.

>>97489313
Diggity dang but I figure thanks to the other Ogor anon I still have plans for some heavy kitbashing with these dudes. Thanks to those cheap boxes I got and a couple of ebay lots I have like 12 mournfangs, a couple of the giant guys (missing some limbs but a friend is helping me fix that) and all the other stuff (also the weird... naked baby looking crossbow guy)

Hoping I can bullshit out a neat catapult since i love artilery spam.

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>>97489082
Ah yes, the very cool and creative generic chaos warrior but with a name

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>>97489082
Or perhaps this very cool and unique and definitely not a generic test sorcerer HoH model!

>>97489326
He's a cooler alt of the foot hero guy

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>>97489082
Perhaps this very cool and unique generic homeless man showing his feet off flanked by two skeletons. Definitely not a test diorama.

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>>97489082
Maybe some very unique stormcast woman who is unlike anything else seen before and definitely not a generic test model!

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>>97489346
Look look, I see what you're saying. But hear me out.

>>97489351
The Warhammer event models are usually of a higher caliber, as are the model of the year ( usually ). The generic “ Commemorative Series “ wide releases are just them banking off intern sculpts they didn’t pay for.
I could show you their 40k minis and you’d see. They are all so generic for the wider commemorative series.

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>>97488710
did poeple try different paint schemes for these?
With a better paint scheme, it might work
something like Soulblighter

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>>97489346
Jesus I forgot about this and the Warhammer heroes run

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>>97489469
This could have been 3 other brand new and perfectly fleshed out factions.

>>97489574
Jokes aside this is something my dumb ass doesn't understand about commemorative models. I thought making the mould was the most expensive part of the whole process, so why do they "waste" tens of thousands of dollars on shitting out these random one off liberator-primes or a differently posed primaris lieutenant?

Some commentary on the Maggotkin crunch. I always think it's interesting to hear from the writers themselves, it always feels more worthwhile than spending the same amount of time reading a review or listening to a streamer's hot takes. He even got me thinking maybe Blightkings aren't as much of a dud as their warscroll made them appear at a glance.

https://litter.catbox.moe/fj448j.mkv

>>97489944
Because they make more money than the moulds and labor cost all in. You see in this thread that calling something limited edition or “ commemorative “ is enough to get a certain subset of your customer base to buy in, no matter how low effort it is.

>>97489944
these smaller moulds are lower quality, not meant to last as long as a normal one, and 80% of all the sales a kit will have in its lifetime will happen in like the first month or so.
plus if they released the kit normally it wouldn't sell as much and this way they keep fomo up.

>>97489469
How many of those are gone forever?

>>97488459
Normal troons = Slaanesh
Passing troons = Tzeentch

Is that right?

>>97490111
My gf (trans) = Sigmar because I love her and she isn't Chaos at all

>>97490091
Stormcast Eternals have lost more units than IDK has ever had. There's some great irony in GW making Stormcast the designated starter faction but someone who is just getting in will buy some starter boxes or earlier combo boxes and realize most of the models don't have rules anymore.

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>>97486447

wait what da hell surely this is some kind of hint at something? because why would they not photoshop over the entire thing if its a cancelled project or just brush it out

>>97490091
The Great SCE Squat was more models than a majority of the armies had at the time. It probably still is, honestly. I think they chopped like 30-40 models?

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>>97490111
it's more like this

>>97490027
That makes sense, thanks.

>>97490275
>>97490282
And some armies are still using models from two decades ago.

>>97490464
I play Ogors, and one of my LGS regs is often reminded that my Gluttons are older than him.

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>>97490464
whatever could you mean, anon

>>97488572
That's retarded when humans + a smattering of dwarves/halfings/ogres/giants was the standard procedure for the Empire up until 6th

>>97488382
>>97488572
It's moreso them returning to their roots seeing as Imperial Guard were just 40K's version of WHFB's Empire and the Empire for a long time was a combination of humans, ogres, and halflings.

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I just think she's neat

>>97490824
i sneak up behind her and tickle her snake tail, and then she kills me instantly

>>97490639
>>97490664
6th edition will bring Swifthawk Dragoons™ and Ironweld Throgghammers™.
You heard it here first

>>97490958
I'm down

>>97489027
No see we gotta cater this army to secondaries who won't even collect it, and fill it with diversity quotas instead. Same thing they did with stormcasts. They had a unique theme and style, but loudmouth redditards whined and GW caters to those subhumans. So now we have soulless muh grimdork dark souls copies instead of lightning paladin einherjar with art deco style weapons and armor.

>>97491499
Anon they were always Dark Souls inspired. They're literally Looking Glass Knights, but gold with the dark souls Undead lore. DS2 came out mid development

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For a minute 40k was actually getting good models we can go back to mogging them now

>>97491751
What minute?

Im fear that the OBR battletome will suck...

>>97491842
it wont unless they change everything about OBR.

>>97491849
>change everything about OBR
the already did that with the faction pack, which sucked...

>>97491751
This doesn’t look good man.

>>97491751
The minute they got that lizard thing with a gun

>>97491842
They won’t do anything as cool as what they just did with lumineth

>>97491884
Didn't like it. Looks like it has the same genetic defect BB Kroxigor has. Probably the same sculptor

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I like this.

>>97489944
Moulds should be categorised as a risk rather than an expense. They're costly, for small businesses not GW, but the output of 10k or more sprues a day with a production/operation cost that is basically nill next to the RRP of sprues means if you can sell your product the mould price is basically irrelevant. Basically the only expense from plastic injection moulding is logistical: warehousing, packaging, transportation, storefront, etc. There's an R&D cost of course but GW have salaried persistent employees working in-house consistently, something factored into their basic operation.
You can see how companies like Osprey or Wargames Atlantic have exponentially expanded their plastic ranges recently, from two or three to dozens over the course of a few years. Dungeons and lasers now too.
GW can shoulder the cost of mould tooling because it's nothing to them financially anyway, they'll always sell enough to profit. It's worth noting that previously they made use of cheaper moulds (round sprues) that had a lower durability, deteriorating faster, but now they don't even do that.

>>97491958
assassinating liberators is a waste

>>97491967
Isn't it anihilators? Thought Libs don't have 2 handed hammers

>>97491958
Pretty cool, but demn Morghasts are way smaller than i expected

>>97491958
did they already release the official artwork from the battletome?

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>>97491992
they aren't that small

and mortek aren't that tall

>>97491967
Im more puzzled by the fact that they use a chariot indoors.

>>97492010
>t. rizz-less

>>97492010
katakros used a chariot to attack a beastmen giant within a forrest. Thats what killed him in his mortal life. at this point OBR chariots will be a meme forever.

>>97492027
>within a forrest.
that didn't factor at all in his defeat

>>97492032
it ads to his hubris.

>>97492027
he didnt attack them within the forrest. his troops burned them out and he got too eager to run them down when they were coming out of the forest, leaving his troops behind.

>>97492042
not really, no, he still killed that thing

>>97492027
>>97492054
He was given bad intel about the enemy force, thought he already won and chased down the remaining troops leaving his main force behind because footslogers can't keep up with a chariot.
Turns out the beastmen force was much larger and he was only told about a part of it so he ended up chasing the remains to the the main chaos army and ended up horribly outnumbered

>>97492072
Inspired by the swedish king Gustavus Adolphus who managed to ride ahead of his knights on the fastest horse into the mists and found himself alone among the enemies who killed him then and there.