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there's some irony in all these newfags acting like they're oldfags while unironically replying to a post that guy has been spamming for months because they've never seen it before
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>>217651692
I genuinely did warn against turning the threads into a general in 2016 and I've brought it up repeatedly over the last decade as an "I told you so":
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77470807/#77471608
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god who cares? lets discuss what really matters
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>>217652211
everyday is freightday if you have faith and heart
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>>217652525
Jesus, Picard.
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>>217652694
Just hit hard with poor old jake
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>>217652408
close enough
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>>217652228
Morale status: raised
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Temporal Mechanics Thursday
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B5 IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY.
Where are the flashforwards that hint or actually show you things that will happen multiple seasons later in d9?
B5 had an actual throughline and gameplan.
DS9 was throwing shit at the wall.
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>>217653245
>finally a good episode of ack
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I haven't watched a single episode of any of the Skydance stuff. I watched maybe the first reboot movie with Nimoy in it once years ago. Am I actually missing anything? What is something good I could be watching instead?
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>>217653487
Are you just watching the new stuff out if brand loyalty or are you just that bored? Do you pay for Paramount+? That is so strange to me. The only streaming I pay for is YouTube Premium and I paid for HBO for like six months.
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>>217653527
I think it's cute, I don't have much time for television with season long arcs and it's nice to throw on an hour long contained show. overall I think it's better than imdb's 4/10 but not by much.
To answer your question, I watch it on a watch-free-movies.tv website, paramount+ is not available in my countryand I wouldn't pay for any streaming service
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>>217653583
Same. I find it relaxing to switch off and just watch an hour of TV after that doesn’t require intense concentration. Shartfleet Academy is a perfect show for that.I pay for paramount plus because it’s cheap for me and I’m too lazy to download stuff.
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>>217653685
I would put it on the same level as a early season Voyager
>>217653642
I just don't have the angry fervor that Gen X trekkies seem to have, I like old trek, but not to the point of crusading over it
I'll give anything a chance, and if it's bad i will drop it
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Are you guys a bunch of freaks into BDSM? Is that why you watch this painful garbage? You guys like hurting yourselves, huh? I bet.
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>>217653685
It feels more TNG than Discovery right now because it’s a story of the week with characters taking the spotlight as opposed to an ongoing story arch right like Discovery. Not as good as TNG obviously but it is still very early in the show. TNG s1 was ass for comparison and became better overtime. I don’t think SA will continue past a s3 however.
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>>217653725
I just like sci fi and space anon and try to watch, read and play as much of it as I can.
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What the fuck were they thinking
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I actually don't hate the klingon/jem'hadar hybrid character. I like a hardass commander abusing cadets
But what is the point of her being jem'hadar? it makes zero sense, and adds nothing
I just pretend she is a full klingon
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>>217653765
Feels like a victim of the short season lengths, if you do five gimmick episodes in a 20 episode season they don't feel out of place. In a 10 episode season it feels like your season has no substance in between the season opener and finale. S3 got this bad because the season opener was basically S2 episode 11 rather than a real opening of a new season, so you really only had *9* episodes to work with.
Plus SNW has managed to have some bad luck production wise. Mount was unavailable for a chunk of season 2 which made it feel a little uneven, season 3 production got it's schedule shitted up by strikes.
Like I get them wanting to flex and do 'special' episodes, but the balance is just off. I would like to actually visit a strange new world more than once or twice a season.
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>>217654108
Yes it comes from Italy, not sure what the other anon is on about. There is a huge dolmitic groundwater-bearing unit that can recharge at the same rate you can pump out. This is true of most drinkable aquifers that humans use on Earth. God said make it so
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>>217654222
>huge dolomitic groundwater-bearing unit
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Reminder Gatekeeping is good.
Reminder you should be mean to NuTrek fans and Tourists.
Reminder that Gatekeeping kept Trek and it's fandom alive and good quality for 30 years.
Reminder that having standards makes you better than NuTrek consooomers.
Reminder that the most successful entertainment (sport) is heavily based around fandom tribalism and gatekeeping.
If you are against gatekeeping, you are against quality and good taste and are a threat to any scene.
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With the entire state of NuTrek i understand why the 40k fags are trying to gatekeep so hard.And for me, i'm also a big stargate fan, and i really fear the slop amazon is going to try and force feed us old stargate fans.
The only glimmer of hope we have is that a lot of the old writers from the show are part of the new show.
But we all know they will have to put in as much as woke as possible by demand of amazon.
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do you niggas watch this
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>>217655073
It's obviously meant for an older audience and not the ACK demo. While a show about Septuagenarians reminiscing about times before I was born may not be my cup of Earl Grey, I'm happy they all stayed friends for so long.
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>>217655246
TNG gang are all best buds.
Voyager gang is a mixed bag (Janeway is buds with EMH, Neelix and Q, Paris and Kim are friends, there's no universal love though)
Cast of DS9 all wish eachother dead (except Sisko/Jake who love each other)
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>black dad
>leaves son and doesn't return one day
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this img is too good to be real
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>Cast of DS9 all wish eachother dead
damn that fucking sucks, imagine if they united in their hatred for bluebehrd
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Holy shit Kurtzman just can't stop utterly destroying core alpha quadrant races
first it was STD Klingons, then Romulans, and now he's back at the Klingons again. First of all, aside from the pretty racist portrayal of making them a bunch of retards in hunter/gatherer camps like they're primordial humans, he's made it canon that they've lost their homeworld and are basically on the edge of extinction -- thanks Kurtzman!
also I laughed when they made the Doctor curse, tried to force a gay kiss, and the woman yelled QAPLA out of context, the writers clearly having no idea what it means or how it's used
And apparently this is the GOOD episode of SA that got all of the critical praise
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>>217655382
Vast majority of the DS9 don't dislike each other, it's just that it was much more of a situation where they came in, did their job then went home, it wasn't a lifetime gig for them the way it is for a lot of other Trek people
The only one who is really on the outs with others is Marc Alaimo because he's a weird creeper
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>>217655310
t. guy who doesn't know shit about anyone except the TNG cast
how the hell could you bring up VOY cast relationships and not talk about Mulgrew and Ryan lol
If any two Star Trek actors wanted to kill each other, it was those two. Also no mention of Beltran's dysfunction at all. Everyone else on VOY got along really well.
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>>217655310
That's why it's so rewatchable. The TNG found family is real on and off screen.
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I always wondered who was holding the camera and how the photo found its way onto the internet
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>>217655411
One of the cool things about Klingons was that while they were deep in warrior culture, they also had lawyers and doctors and scientists too. They werent as one dimensional as they seem on first impression. But thats too subtle for "modern audiences"
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>>217655411
nuTrek is reminding me of Star Wars sequels where the new writers cannot do anything to progress the lore, civilisations, races and current state of things beyond where it currently is so they have to create a nuke (the burn/the first order) to wipe it all out and start from scatch.
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Casey, you mentioned playing a drunk. Firstly, what was it like drinking all that syrup? And more importantly, how did you approach playing a drunk on Star Trek, which is a bit unusual for the show.
Jeffrey Combs: Let me answer that. First of all, it is called “typecasting.” And second of all, he loved that shit.
Casey Biggs: Oh yeah, you aren’t even a good enough actor to drink that and pretend you like it. [both laugh] That’s why I am a better actor, I looked like I liked it, but it was terrible! I hated it. Like I said, I had one scene in Quark’s bar and say, “Give me the kanar…no no, the good stuff.” And then I got into a fight with Quark, and they liked that chemistry with me and Quark and all that. And literally, almost every flipping scene I was in after that, I was drinking that shit. Until—and René directed that episode as well—when I stopped. Remember Jeff, you were in that scene.
Jeffrey Combs: I do. I was there to tell you that your wife and your son had been killed.
Casey Biggs: And the funny part was before that episode I didn’t even know I had a wife or son.
Jeffrey Combs: [laughs] Exactly! They do sort of pull those things on you. As an actor you go, “Wait, I have a daughter!” You would have played it.
Casey Biggs: I could have played scenes differently.
Jeffrey Combs: The point is, they didn’t know that.
they seem like friends
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>>217655931
Hiring autists isn’t always a good thing…
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>>217655972
Actually believe it or not Filoni is a great example of what I mean—but the other important piece of the puzzle is needing a grand tard wrangler to keep everyone in check and to have the final say. You can’t just make your autist the head of everything and give him the power of the final say!
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Why did it flop?
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>>217656186
Rick Berman always fancied himself way more creative than he really was, especially for feature length films and not silly little one-off television episodes in 4:3 meant for casual entertainment. Also letting patrick stewart dictate a laundry list of demands instead of telling him to shut up and just say his lines
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>i understand why the 40k fags are trying to gatekeep so hard.
40k went to shit a long time ago once the fandom got overrun with edgy zoomers who have never played the tabletop game, read any of the books, or played the video games at the very least, and who only like it cause they saw a tiktok edit. Plus, the 40k lore has been in the shitter for over a decade at this point.
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The Center Seat documentary is getting a seconds season
>The 2021 series had episodes dedicated to each of the five classic shows (TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise) as well as episodes focusing on the TOS movies, The Animated Series, and even a couple of special episodes: one on guest stars and one all about starships. But there were some big things not covered, notably the TNG movies, the Kelvin era movies, and the modern streaming era TV shows. There are indications that Nacelle is now covering the TNG movies and likely the Kelvin movies
https://trekmovie.com/2025/12/03/it-looks-like-the-center-seat-star-tr ek-docuseries-is-getting-a-second-s eason/
I liked the first season
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>>217656257
everyone sems to forget about the director who knew nothing about star trek, and in fact the cast asked him many times to stop doing xyz because it made sense of the characters, even stewart vetoed the idea of bane being his son because they had just done an episode about that in s7
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New shitpost ammo just dropped. The Klingon is indeed zesty.
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>>217656474
Why does the Klingon look like this
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>>217656672
Zoomers live at home and by and large have given up any dreams of starting a family, building a career, or owning a home. It’s dire for them. Plus they probably just pirate shit or watch whatever streaming services their parents pay for.
The last of the spending money is left with millennials and old boomers. That’s why entities like chuck e. cheese and shit are pivoting to “le disney adult barcades,” because childless millennials are the spenders, whereas like 20 to 30 yrs ago it used to be moms and dads buying stuff for their kids
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Yeah, I think this is true, they make the exact same kind of posts but for DS9 whenever a B5 thread pops up. Just sadsacks that can't bait past the bare minimum ability of "say thing is better than current topic".
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>>217656770
Gens Z and Alpha are hooked on bite sized shortform content. Hollywood can't compete with the digital world. Netflix and Disney understand this, which is why they're investing in AI early. It's only a matter of time until Paramount caves.
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>It never made sense to me why two longtime coworkers, close friends and confidants would develop romantic feelings for each other
Is he genuinely retarded? You might think the Odo/Kira relationship was mishandled in one way or another but the pairing is completely reasonable.
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>>217657322
Odo ALWAYS, ALWAYS wanted Kira he just didn't have the balls to do anything about it until basically the end of the show it's becoming more and more clear to me that Mike really is a fake DS9 fan that is a wildly retarded thing to say if you actually watched the show
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You as a viewer are always going to develop a sort of parasocial relationships with characters you grow to love from a given series; and I suppose it is natural to “ship” characters eventually and hope to see a romance blossom as much as you want to see friendships develop. But the problem with Star Trek is that everyone are co-workers and should be serving in a scientific/military (i.e. professional) capacity. I get that this is the natural end to a long-running episodic series. But don’t dip your pen in company ink, as they say.
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we don't know that he does he's probably just confirming to how solids court each other. he had sex with that amnesia lady but she came on to him first. who knows what he is actually feeling when he's attracted to someone.
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>>217657427
nonsensical post
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I don't think your post is nonsensical, generally speaking, and military/paramilitary organizations which are not mono-gendered take a dim view of fraternization. Typically, there are rules against it even.
But Kira and Odo? Well, Kira is part of a defunct backwards provisional government and Odo is basically just a local sheriff working, technically, as part of the Bajoran militia.
Neither are Starfleet and given how fucked Bajor is, I doubt they have much in the way of rules against it.
But even TOS shows crewmembers fraternizing. Kirk marries two crewmen in Balance of Terror, remember, so it's probably allowed with special dispensation -- meaning you have to let a senior officer know what is going on.
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>>217657584
the nonsensical part is how he somehow makes it the viewer's fault that they "ship" characters that show is showing you have an actual romantic relationship and it's therefore not parasocial and not "shipping" it's literally just watching the show.
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>>217657619
It’s both. Lots of times yes its the writers adding things like a Riker/Troi romance or whatever, but other times its viewers generating hype and then the writers being swayed to satisfy the buzz of the fan base
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>>217657655
Such as? I can't think of that ever happening in Trek, the writers kowtowing to fan demands
for example if anything the fans wanted archer/t'pol because ENT flirted with the idea a lot early on but the writers said fuck you and put her with trip
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The dynamic between Odo and Bashir in Dramatis Personae is literally /pol/. Julian is the paranoid chud who thinks his country is a powder keg that's ready to blow and is frothing at the mouth for it, and Odo is the outside lurker who's just bewildered.
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shit like this is why I can't quit this place
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I appreciate how the situation with Picard and Jack Crusher is explained just enough for you to get the gist, but they never milked it for some cheesy ass scene. The sort of mystery behind it helps to elevate the friendship that Beverly and Jean Luc share.
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This is so fucking forced and souless. They can't even do yaoi right anymore which is crazy because the #1 show in the world right now is just Yuri on Ice but with hockey.
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>>217656474
Trek is literally Gay Niggers in Outer Space now
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>>217657920
Holy shit THIS is the number one show on streaming?? THIS is kicking Star Trek's ass in the ratings?
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Hey you guys
who painted my ass white?
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>>217658015
>The proper form is for one guy to be mega gay and the other party to be completely oblivious
Also works with hetero pairings.
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It's like they actually can't help themselves.
Does no one in the writers room ever pipe up and ask
>hey isn't making the one Klingon who's more into birdwatching than fighting a flaming homo kinda feeding a stereotype?
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>>217658516
Part of the problem is that back in the 90s trekkies were mainly basement dwelling and any sexual activity was band kids who were freaky, but since then HRT and troon propaganda has propagated like wildfire so the demographic shift of nerd culture and what Star Trek feels the need to cater to now is LGBT nonbinary hyper-fetishized weirdos.
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it's not catering to lgbt fetish weirdos. fujo stuff is enjoyed by heterosexual normie women. even older ones with lots of disposable income. realizing this is the key to making money. girl pro wrestling fans ship WWE wrestlers and they get harassed by incels online. pro wrestling fans also ship NJPW wrestlers and what that company does is release gay thirst trap photobooks of those wrestlers and make a shit zillion dollars.
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>>217658505
That's the thing with NuTrek. Nobody wants to be these characters. Kids would want to be Kirk and Riker when they became adults. Look how many IRL doctors and scientists were inspired by Star Trek. Nobody is looking at all these dumpy lesbians and going "That's gonna be me one day!"
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>>217658892
star trek sex with shran
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>>217658829
So far the plurality of the ACK cast is LGBT
>Jay-Den and the white boy are a pre-couple
>Fem'Hadar and Narbag TimTam are a couple
>The hologram is also a lesbian
You will never see this many same sex couples IRL unless you live and work in a big coastal city.
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>>217659113
what do you guys not get about this being a show for teens and YA and that is the shit they want to see? this show is not Trek anyway so who gives a fuck? if we must talk about it can't we at least shit on it for what it is?
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I find it funny that no one in nu-trek writing room has no fucking idea how military or its service academies are organized. War college doesn't have fucking cadets. It is institution that trains company grade officers to field grade officers and field grade officers to fucking flag officers. Students in war college are lt commanders, commanders and captains. In some cases flag officers that somehow managed to pick up flag rank after skating general staff officer course.
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If Shran is having sex with Shran. Isn't that just masturbation?
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>Wang's IRL career matches that of Harry Kim
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never forget what they took from you
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>>217660009
Nimoy became a character actor and cameo bait for various sci-fi franchises. Jonathan Frakes has a consistent resume of television directing and still works on Star Trek projects. That’s about it AFAIK.
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>>217660009
Jeff is still a legend and bleobrd by trekkies and horror fans alike
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>Kirk: 94
>Chekov: 89
>Sulu: 88
>Picard: 85
>Garak, Dukat: 83
>Sisko: 77
>Data, Quark, Berverly: 76
>Riker, Worf, Rom: 73
>O'Brien, Chakotay, EMH: 72
>Troi, Janeway, Neelix, Damar: 70
>Tuvok: 69
>Geordi, Tasha, Kira: 68
>B'Elanna: 67
>Jadzia, Leeta: 62
>Paris: 61
>Bashir: 60
>Kim, Seven: 57
>Ezri: 55
>Wesley: 53
>Kes: 51
>Jake: 47
they'll all be gone one day lads
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Oh of course. I just mean that most of em’ don’t really go anywhere. Jeffrey combs, frakes, and Nemoy (rip) are awesome. I also imagine LeVar Burton and Michael Dorn have enough chops to have found success since then. And Whoopi Goldberg lmfao, God help her
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>>217654992
The nice thing about Stargate is that it's done. The story is over, humanity won, they can now chill in space and shit. No gay ass Amazon sequel can shit on that. And it will be gay and pretty fucking ass, that much I am certain of.
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>>217660319
The majority of Trek was made when there was still a huge divide between TV and movies. Even a very popular show like TNG was still "just a tv a show" so between that and typecasting there wasnt a lot of other work available for most Trek actors
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I never considered there was such an age gap between Data and Geordi. Mentally I pictured them being about the same age. Then again, one was under three layers of makeup and the other had a visor glued to his face 24/7.
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Oh yeah for sure, she wanted to be on the show. I like Guinan as a character so I’m glad she made that move
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Good point. What could you have even done? Gotten a good agent who scalped out other television roles for you?
And on the other end of the spectrum you now have these expensive ass tv shows and it’s basically required to grab big names like Paul Giamatti and Holly Hunter.
And of course there are issues with things like STD where you have Michelle Yeoh who goes and wins an Oscar between season so all of a sudden her pay grade skyrockets
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Ugh they really nailed the interior design down. Everything looks so awesome and distinctly “star trek”. TNG was already good looking in S1 but the props department was absolutely cooking by DS9 and VOY
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Is there a single person here that watched Season 5 of discovery.
It appears to have an audience of 12 neckbeards all making the same videos and even they either can't take this anymore or they decided that there's better things to do with their life.
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Ever since the allegations this dude has given me the creeps and I can't look at him the same
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Lower Decks making Garashir canon was such fan pandering trying too hard garbage. Half the fun of this shit is the will they won't they dynamic. Nobody can write anything with any subtly anymore because shareholders worry about watchers being on their phones the whole time. It sucks so much.
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>>217661825
>Half the fun of this shit is the will they won't they dynamic
there was none of that "dynamic" except in the imagination of shippers lmao. but yes fanservice and pandering is upsetting when it's so cynical.
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It's never gonna end so you're going to lose this one every time.
I know none of these people know a thing about science or science fiction but they appear to have no grasp on just how fucking unimaginably big a galaxy is after 'the galaxy' is being threatened with destruction for the 5th time.
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>>217661825
lower drecks is a parody cartoon and neccesarily non-canon. it can reference canon for jokes but it cannot establish anything new outside of its silly parody universe. furthermore, the crossover with SNW firmly establishes that pile of shit as parody and also non-canon.
and in case you were wondering, STD PIC and SA are in the JJ canon where the romulan star empire is somehow crippled by the loss of a single star system which they had ample time to evactuate.
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I meant like canon in its own show. The cartoon made them canon gay in the cartoon. I think one was a hologram? I am so sorry Jesus Christ.
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suggesting that Garak must be homosexual because of his effete mannerisms and friendship with another man is actually extremely homophobic but of course grfiting boomers desperate for clout from fujos wouldn't know or care about hat
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>>217662047
Have you seen What We Left Behind? I don't think the actor ever denied playing him as at the very least bisexual.
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>>217662080
I don't understand why it's funny. What is the punchline? To me the writers are the ones taking themselves seriously and are trying to get their too on the nose fanfiction validated.
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>>217662047
Its fairly clear that Garak adopted the flamboyant mannerisms as part of his "simple tailor" persona. While that is the sorta of default persona we see on the show, there were a number of times on the show where he dropped it. It is stongly implied that as an operative Garak was very terrifying so since he is a "simple tailor" he over compensates by trying to be as non-threatening as possible. Notably, he also was very into Dukat's daughter.
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Would it make sense for a super spy to also be a bisexual honeypot? Pic completely unrelated.
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>>217662200
tell your doctor if youve got a parasitic infection
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>>217662186
>Notably, he also was very into Dukat's daughter.
He was? It always seemed fairly one sided. He cared for her and was fascinated with her but I always saw her crush on him as a schoolgirl crush that he entertained so as to not hurt her feelings.
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also Ziyal was pure and innocent and he was very not and that probably also made him feel awkward too
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>>217662186
I think Garak is like Kenneth from 30 Rock where he puts on the act of being a wholesome goof to throw people off his trail.
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>>217662288
he also got wrecked by obrien because his only move is sneak while enemies back is turned. and he was a little too familar with bajoran orphanage computer systems if you ask me, which you didnt, but you should have.
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>>217653725
Am I imagining things or is the guy hired to play an alien that feels no emotion just constantly looking disgusted and annoyed
He looks pissed off. The expression on his face looks neutral but he looks pissed off, like someone working a job they hate.
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>>217662350
>The expression on his face looks neutral but he looks pissed off
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I’m suppose to believe this shit is canon with TOS and just as “valid”? This shit is so goofy man, what are we doing
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actually literally gross to look at.
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When will they release the "Neelix Files"?
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>>217663069
This show with a budget of 10 million dollars an episode looks like an SNL sketch.
I don't even blame gross incompetence or money laundering for this, I literally just think the people working on it can't be compelled to give a shit. If you're a fan of Star Trek then you're embarrassed to be associated with this and if you aren't then it's just a horribly mismanaged project bleeding money with a plot that goes nowhere and makes no sense.
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>>217653725
I actually really liked Strange New Worlds for the first two seasons. Yes, including the musical episode. I'd be a hypocrite for loving the musical episode in Buffy but not in Star Trek.
... Haven't touched season 3, though. Just MORE of "silly Star Trek." Honestly, I feel like the musical episode should have filled the "lighthearted quota" for an entire season, if not more. I mean, seriously, a muppet episode? That's too much.
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>>217663610
>I mean, seriously, a muppet episode? That's too much.
I hate to defend NuTrek but how is a Muppet episode any less silly that what TNG and TOS were doing? Even DS9 had Move Along Home and Tribbleations.
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>>217663610
>I'd be a hypocrite for loving the musical episode in Buffy but not in Star Trek.
No
Fuck you
They had the perfect fucking opportunity to show off a proper klingon opera AND THEY JUST DID A SHITTY DANCE INSTEAD
I DON'T CARE IF IT SOMEHOW MAKES SENSE
IT SUCKS ASS
ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>217663650
Dumbass opinion.
TNG was doing 26 episodes a season and they'd have maybe 2 borderline goofy/light-hearted ones out of the lot, maybe
>>217663671
>nu trek OP
not posting in it
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>>217655519
>One of the cool things about Klingons was that while they were deep in warrior culture, they also had lawyers and doctors and scientists too.
I feel like a Klingon doctor could work as a character. You could adapt their warrior code to medicine, such as keeping warriors alive and fit to die in battle another day. Same way the Ferengi are shown to be good diplomats and shrewd tacticians when they are put in life or death situations.
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>>217663650
No making the entire cast puppets is a hard comedy move. Something you would see in Scrubs or more fittingly, LD. Nothing in anything you said is as silly as turning the entire cast into puppets, even fighting a battle of good and evil with Space President Abraham Lincoln.
>>217663610
>Yes, including the musical episode.
I don't believe you.
>I'd be a hypocrite for loving the musical episode in Buffy but not in Star Trek.
No you wouldn't. I like the musical Les Miserables. Doesn't mean I like Thoroughly Modern Millie
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