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No Probing Allowed Edition
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we dont hate this little shit enough
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amazing a minor recurring character child had better makeup than a main character on modern supposed premium series
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he 14 and acts like hes 6. fuck that shithead
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Another retcon
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Do you watch the original series with the cgi special effects or original? i personally dont like the changes aesthetically and also from a standpoint of how the show was made. If you are going to change the effects you might as well fix everything. I feel the same about NG remaster but its more forgivable but some things arent changed for the better. I dont mind going from 1080p to 480p.
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You can switch between them on the blu ray. Dont know if its oop in your country. I'd buy up all the blu ray releases (tos,ng,enterprise) because i cant see paramount reissuing them for a while. Hell even ds9 and voyager look better on dvd than on paramount plus.
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He was cast because he looks young as fuck for his age anon, that's an old hollywood trick
it's a way of getting a better actor than an age-appropriate one would be
mickey rooney played 16 year olds for like 20 years straight
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>>217702261
Remember when Alexander grew up and tried to join Worf's ship crew, and all the Klingons made fun of him for being a little bitch?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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>Alexander Hilary Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American filmmaker. He is best known for co-writing the scripts to Transformers (2007), Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009), Star Trek (2009), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) with his writing and producing partner Roberto Orci, and directing and co-writing The Mummy (2017). He made his directorial debut with People Like Us (2012), co-written alongside Orci and Jody Lambert.
Jesus wept
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>>217702820
you got something new to say about it?
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>>217702820
I've talked about it a ton throughout the years.
It's my favorite Trek.
The only """"""person"""""" who hates TOS around here is Bashirfaggot.
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So Kurtzman is self-plagiarizing now?
>Let’s destroy the Romulan Empire and turn them into refugees.
>Let’s destroy the Klingon Empire and turn them into refugees.
What’s next - making the Breen refugees? The Borg?
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>>217702910
Cardassians are next.
They're apparently going to start wanking Benjamin sisko heavily late in SA if rumors are true which means they'll try to cheaply capitalize off of DS9's popularity next in the most canon-destroying, soulless way you can possibly imagine.
They might even do a fucking DS9 prequel and recast everyone.
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There are two ways to worldbuild: wide and tall.
Tolkien built tall. LOTR has relatively few races, but they all had languages and deep histories.
Star Wars is wide: it showcased many different aliens, but they had little thought put into them. Star Trek used to be a mix. Some races, like the Klingons, Cardassians, and the Dominion, were built tall, while many others were just humans with hats for one episode.
Kurtzman does neither. He relies heavily on memberberries, bringing back races like Cheron in the Section 31 movie and Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, or the salt vampire in Lower Decks, without really adding anything to the lore or worldbuilding.
seriously, if Cheron or similar added, why not explain how they are back?
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>>217702932
Kurtzman and JJ destroyed Aldera... Vulcan home world in 2009 movie
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>goofy looking creatures
have you seen any star trek? the original series has the best written episodes and is basically the blueprint for everything that came after it. Its why they keep referencing it in the other shows. The original series isnt as stuffy as NG too. Theres none of that bullshit about wading through shit to get to gold. Not that every episode is perfect but the ratio is much better. IT also has the best aesthetics. Always found NG too muted. Im not shitting on NG btw and im glad it got 7 seasons because it is a true journey and thats its selling point. I wish the og wasnt dumped but then again they would have just kept lowering the budget.
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I think youve gotta be an unc to like this fr fr
>have you seen any star trek?
DS9, ENT, most of TNG, and some Voyager.
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>>217703103
Agreed. As far as I remember, only the Salt Vampire, Gorn, and Mugato fall into the “goofy monster of the week” category. Most of the original series relied more on strong writing and ideas rather than on creature costumes, and the majority of episodes don’t hinge on monsters at all
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i was glazing it and making webmemes when I watched it for the first time over the summer. but there's just not that much that's fun to discuss about it compared to other shows
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>>217702954
I mean if I could lay some blame on Star Treks writing in general (especially Next Generation) it would be that every episode was written with answer in mind. This can be a shallow way to explore topics. For example, I always found Who Watches the Watchers too simple in its execution in comparison with the themes its dealing with. Episodic writing structures also encourage this. That being said these shows are dealing with story arcs and there exploration of the themes are even more shallow because they offer no insight. They are obviously too eager to get to battle scenes rather than letting you live in the world they have created (which is dour and depressing anyways). All these creatures were created for individual episodes and thats where there backstory ends. The more you try to add to them lore wise the more you take away from there power as a storytelling device. Klingons were tailored to explore specific topics in episodes. An exception being the episode where Worf takes in a boy as his family which is a great bit of added lore. That episode is one of my favourites. I forgot why I even wrote this reply desu
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You might as well watch nuTrek if costume design is a prerogative for you. That Gorn episode is parodied for the costume and bad choreography but it also has a great concept which makes me want to watch it again. That concept has been copied in subsequent series where superior alien beings test the will and morality of the characters.
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He always self-plagiarized. I was just reading through some wiki articles and saw how the same stupid plot points have been getting repeated in each of his series.
>Someone somewhere has opened a space portal/tear in reality that's going to destroy everything... in the Mirror Universe, in orbit of the android world, in the 31st Century AND in the 32nd Century
>Time travel to find the problem and the solution to this season's "arc."
>Starfleet has invented a way to merge the command and control of all starships under a central computer... in the 22nd Century, 24th Century, and 32nd Century
>The machines are... le bad.
>The Federation has fallen... again.
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>>217703619
TNG,DS9 and Voyager were all so different and creative
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Young gestrals remind me of Bynars. Same vibe.
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Sisko was actually unironically too based for star fleet
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>Captain we're going to splice Jem'Hadar DNA with Klingon DNA to create the ultimate warrior. Pretty good idea, huh?
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hello /trek/
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Are you good at sports, /trek/?
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>>217704588
Only because Sisko is obsessed with it. As a sport it died out over 200 years ago, but judging by how portly the players were, you can see why.
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Damn! That was a good eppy of Star Trek.
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>>217705583
Much like the Melania movie you would have to pay me $50 to watch this.
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>>217704749
Stubbs was a weirdo who memorized "the great games" of baseball history. Those weren't current games he was recalling in his head in that episode. Also I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Milwaukee Braves of the mid-20th Century, not the Atlanta Braves of the later.
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True I believe both instances were an outdated game that used to be played "in the americas"
I suppose my point was that at least Star Trek had multiple instances of baseball (based) and thankfully not gay football or soccer
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>>217706326
DS9 even had a baseball episode.
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>>217706326
Parrises Squares is supposed to be better and more brutal than football or soccer.
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The NCC-1701-D really was weird. The only klingon in starfleet, literally a 1/1 android that nobody could fucking replicate or understand and who just sort of showed up one day, a betazoid counselor with her tits half-hanging out, a mysterious-raced refugee who served as the bartender. What the fuck was in the air on that ship
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>>217702216
I have some old VHS tapes of star trek from 2001 on TNN, the quality compared to the BDs are interesting
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how lazy is this lmao
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It was TNN in 2001, in fact TNN had just started mid-2001.
I have 5 tapes from this week durng their 5 day trek marathon special
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anyone else watching the outcast right now on Pluto TV
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The "enhanced" TOS is an abomination that should be purged from this world like the zionist. Even 60 year old effects are better than CG slop, all those old effects are practical, they dont age, they won a ton of awards at the time and should be preserved. Only literal commies think they can "enhance" history.
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What went so horribly wrong?
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>>217708178
>Escape commitment
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>how many women did he kiss
I don't know, 10 in 70 episodes?
>or show interest in
Even less. One of those kisses was to befuddle an android and aid in escape, etc.
>or were interested in him
About the same as Picard, roughly.
Riker is really the "Kirk meme" when it comes to fucking aliens, not Kirk.
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Why didn't they just take Bashir and Miles back to DS9 on their ship, since they're already oathbreakers? They knew minute details regarding the runabout, there's no way the Federation's endless compassion and desire to take in the suffering would have escaped them.
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>Doing what?
>WHAT DO YOU THINK?!?
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because the head guy was convinced it was the planet that healed him, and by the time bashir had determined it was that he was just a mutant, every one of them were going through withdrawls and would've died or killed everyone en-route to ds9
i think bashir even brings up taking them back to ds9 and the head honcho shoots down that suggestion because he didnt want to be a lab rat or something
did you even watch the episode?
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>it's a Deanna episode
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>>217708453
>it's a Moogie episode
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>>217708416
based, you just gotta love the Worfster
Son of Mogh, baby!
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>Riker is really the "Kirk meme"
Riker's a badly flanderized version of Kirk, the elements were there but Kirk was far more erudite and thoughtful than people seem to remember.
Data's like that too (just a more extreme Spock), but unlike Riker he ended up being an actually cool character.
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name our band
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>>217709275
Riker is more of a self plagiarized Decker who was a flanderized Kirk.
Riker was interesting until Best of Both Worlds then they forgot what to do with him. The Thomas Riker episode just rubbed salt into that wound.
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https://www.wehatejail.com/actor-stephen-collins-accused-of-sexual-ass ault/
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>>217709582
Well, shit. Maybe he progressed from that to killing, and didn't admit to it on a recording. Or maybe I'm completely wrong, wouldn't be the first time. I still say he has serial killer eyes, though. Just dead and cold.
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The big bad threat in season two of DISCO was an AI that was going to kill all sentient life in the galaxy.
A few months later. Season one of PICA comes out. The big bad threat is an AI that is going to kill all sentient life in the galaxy.
That was two NuTreks. Back-to-back. What is the difference between self-plagiarism or unimaginative lazy hacks just writing cliches without thinking. And just repeating themselves because they're dumb
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>File this one under "Sinatra-lite"— very lite! For readers too young to remember, former teen heart-throb James Darren starred in Gidgit in the late-50s and scored a Top-10 hit in 1961 with Goodbye Cruel World. His career was rejuvenated recently with his portrayal of swingin' lounge singer Vic Fontaine on the TV series, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This One's From The Heart attempts to cash in on the popularity of this show. While the handsome actor still looks damn good in a tux, Darren adds nothing new to this 17-track collection of classic American standards. His interpretations of songs so closely identified with Mr. Sinatra pale badly by comparison. Frank didn't just sing these tunes ---- he owned them! On a more positive note, Darren is backed by a host of precise studio pros and the arrangements by such "heavyweights" as Marty Paich and Alan Broadbent are predictably competent. Truthfully, why settle for second best when you can always enjoy the real deal? Pointless. **
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Should I get it bros?
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>>217710149
Damn son, they did him dirty.
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That review was from All About Jazz. This one from JazzTimes is even more mean:
>Hollywood actor-director-singer James Darren’s collection of standards spins off from his stint playing holographic Vegas crooner Vic Fontaine on the TV series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Darren’s tentative, toneless entrance on the opening phrase of “The Best Is Yet to Come” sets the tone for seventeen tracks of ineptly sung, overdone material (“Night and Day,” “Satin Doll,” etc.) with lavish big band and string orchestra backings. The talents of a phalanx of topnotch arrangers and instrumentalists are squandered on this hopeless showcase for a performer whose rusty chops, stiff time and emotional vacuousness might be acceptable by holographic standards, but can’t survive comparison with Sinatra, Damone, Jones and other flesh-and-blood baritones. This one’s for the remainder bin.
>Originally May 1, 2000
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I was browsing the trek reaction thread for the 90210 show and someone posted this scend (i don't know what they are doing to klingona but its probably related) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as886JnsjtQ
1. ezri a cute. A CUTE
2. i ended up watching the whole episode and how refreshing it is when the dialogue is just allowed to breathe and theres no senseless yelling, crying or emotional breakdowns.
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The funny thing is, they probably would've been ever harder on Frank Sinatra Jr who is the guy they had originally cast but couldn't end up getting
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>An exception being the episode where Worf takes in a boy as his family which is a great bit of added lore. That episode is one of my favourites.
I just watched that. The crew spends the whole episode trying to keep Worf from helping the boy find closure only to make things worse by confusing the kid and sending Wesley into a renewed trauma spiral.
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>>217710826
>lego
>on sale
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>>217711020
>gowron fell victim to corruption like every other politician in the empire, fitting for his character
maybe, but his showdown with Worf was anticlimactic and he went out like a bitch
not fitting for a character that's been around since TNG and even got his own video game
Alexander fell victim to soap opera age bullshit and was technically about 10 years old. They should have kept him a kid and fans have all this cope about Klingons maturing really fast.
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>Alexander fell victim to soap opera age bullshit and was technically about 10 years old. They should have kept him a kid and fans have all this cope about Klingons maturing really fast.
I think it's a neat bit of worldbuilding that formed to fit the narrative.
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He didn't go out like a bitch at all. He nearly killed Worf. Also, Gowron was always shown to be more of a politician than a warrior. Kurn even derides him as such and doesn't want to support him in Redemption because he's weak.
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Funny how the best depiction of Alexander was from a different timeline
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>>217711297
brother, I'm dripped out head-to-toe in hypercolour right now
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I miss when sci-fi time travel used "possible futures" along the same timeline a la back to the future, instead of what everyone uses now which is "branching timelines" which is just dimension hopping, a la marvel movies
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>tfw you're all geared up for your epic vacation to Bajor
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>>217711532
Wow, turns out he really didn't do anything wrong
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>all geared up for your epic vacation to Bajor
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Which bridge is your favorite and why?
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>>217712471
>MCR
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but they're all sat around in a ring. So, some will be pulled sideways. Some forward and some backward. Because they're all facing different directions. Which would be true even if the bride was facing forward.
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>>217712968
I dampened your mom's panties last night.
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>>217712986
It's the most consistently high quality trek right after TNG, it's definitely worth watching. The characters might be the best in the entire franchise, there's not a single one that's truly terrible where you go "aw fuck, it's a [blank] episode"
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No, you retard. The point is to keep the crew from turning to fucking tomato paste the moment the ship accelerates you complete shit-for-brains dumbass. The fact that they "move a little" is what you call "within acceptable parameters."
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>>217712986
yeh, you should
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>>217713047
>there's not a single one that's truly terrible where you go "aw fuck, it's a [blank] episode"
LOL
good one
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They capture an alien who pretends to be a war criminal. I figured out the twist halfway through and was like, "why on earth would anyone want to be be tried and exectued by their enem- Oh." It was a good feeling.
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>2 weeks away
the sad state of trek gaming...
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Hey you guys
who painted my ass white?
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>>217708416
>It's a Worf gets beaten up by the set episode
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Defiant. It's small and cozy and you don't have to scream across the room to be heard. And it has windows!
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>>217713047
There are a few characters I cringe at seeing. Like Vedek Bariel (Mainly because the actor is terrible). And some of the Ferengi episodes are silly. But overall the cast is superb. Especially the Cardassian characters like Garak and Dukat.
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They changed the ending for whatever reason
You can see the girl is grenscreened on top of that Picard scene, and why he shows no emotion to Riker just killing someone
Don't ask me why they changed the ending
Probably needed more spice or something
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>>217713643
>Chakotay remind me what earth day it is, by the old calendar
>It's a Tuesday, according to the computer logs
>Chakotay.. ready the lifeboats, and.. seal the dining quarters.. yes.. he should be preparing a feast right this minute
>Computer, set to self destruct in T-5
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Warp me to Halifax
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>>217712986
>Should I watch [TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and/or ENT]
The answer is yes to all of these series, on the basis that everything from the Enterprise finale episode onward is multiple orders of magnitude worse than the original series and the 90s/00s Trek. Even Enterprise, probably regarded as the “worst” from a traditional ranking standpoint and at one point ranked off the golden list as “new trek,” still carries its head high enough to respect the audience (minus the very last episode, as many have expressed. The ENT finale is the only truly skippable episode). Even if DS9 were two times worse than what it is, it would still be good enough for me to recommend it, because it still wouldn’t be exponentially as dogshit as STD, PIC, SA, or any of the new slop that Paramount has pressed out of the dogshit factory.
Give yourself a quota of five or so episodes. Start from S1. Surely it will be enough to get comfortable with the characters and calibrate your expectations, and soon enough I am sure you’ll find yourself enjoying it
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And then she became a super-villain on 24.
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QUICK! Claim you waifu. Once they're gone they're gone.
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>>217715221
I claim Leeta the big-titty dabo girl.
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I know everyone shits on nuTrek but this has to be objectively the worst thing to come out of the nuTrek era right? Like from a purely filmmaking standpoint its so incompetently directed, written and acted and far worse than anything else Ive seen from nuTrek. Its so poorly made as a movie that I'd barely even consider it a one.
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Mirrorverse T'Pol
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I hate that they wasted my Hannibal-fu Kacey Rohl in this
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>>217715323
i think it was supposed to be at least 6 eps but they had to cut it down to 2 hours or not do it at all to fit her availability and ego after winning an oscar.
also it is a special streaming event, not a movie. secret hideout isnt allowed to do movies.
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i suspect she does it herself but if thats not the case i dont get it. shes not unfuckable and she likes some star trek. id give her a try if i didnt already know about all the problems.
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>>217715389
Thanks for taking one for the team. Your name will be lost to the sands of time but we are finally free of the tripfag that shall not be named.
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>>217714781
Tupacks says just that in this scene to the effect of "We could be wearing our Starfleet uniforms and no one would notice".
I kind of want to wear a uniform around but I might have too many bitches ride my jock like I was Riker.
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>>217715437
posting AI slop of a real person
WHY
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>>217715323
I think this is the worst rated Trek movie on IMDB. AFAIk the ratting is lower than infamous Trek episodes like Code of Honor or the Child or that romance with Ghost one
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>>217716196
The bar is so low, too. I have avoided a lot of the nutrek stuff but it’s still so hard for me to process that this retarded company keeps committing hundreds of millions of dollars to this shit and releasing it and it just keeps bombing time and time again.
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>>217716239
Its jot about the money, its about the message, and these dudes have like $245.3 billion to waste on whatever message they want to send.
Unless I am mistaken all it takes to be a 1% is $500k. Please correct me on that if I am wrong.
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This episode is great because it shows for all of the futures advancement nothing will alleviate grief. They try to counsel the boy, an alien imitates his mother and yet all he need was some sort of catharsis and ceremony (religious) in order to process his trauma. I also love DS9 emissary episode because it deals with this.
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this episode is most of why I hate timothy
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The problem with this dumb theory is that Kurtzman has been working on Trek before any Ellison involvement with Paramount. Kurtzman was already working on Star Trek with JJ Abrams in 2009 and 2013, then took over modern Trek starting in 2017, while David Ellison’s Skydance deal to buy Paramount didn’t happen until 2024
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>>217716372
His dad bought him Skydance when he was 23 years old.
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Elon is good friends with Ellison, I wish there could be a path where Musk talks to him behind closed doors and tells him to fix Trek. Doubt it's on the short list of things he cares about though, besides just doing the surface-level complaining on twitter about SA being woke and gay (which to be fair is correct lol)
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>>217716394
>musk to fix trek
Girls FTW!
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>>217716394
What if they want Star Trek to be woke and gay so it isn't talking about a diverse group of people working together to overcome problems because billionaires are afraid of being outnumbered? What if they want us fighting about woke shit so we dont notice the minimum wage hasn't gone up with inflation?
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>>217716443
it's so funny to me how we literally have concrete proof their entire worldview they've cultivated over the past 10 years was a deliberate psyop perpetrated by pedophiles and they're still spewing the talking points like nothing happened
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Does that mean he would be incapable of at least requesting Star Trek be good and entertaining again ?
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lel sad
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>>217716569
Musk is a giant immature pathetic sensitive faggot that is just as sad as nuTrek. You wouldn’t want him anywhere near it. Hes psyoped people into thinking he’s a space expert when all he’s done is buy his way into groups where the experts are.
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>literally
Excuse me, but I do not believe the character nor the actor Brent Spiner playing him were ever responsible for the personal transportation of the show copies distributed to the network. It is a very curious statement.
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Half the people in this thread either don't leave their basement or live in a rural all white community in Arkansas. They dont know anything about the real world or care that a billionaire pedophile is the main reason /pol/ still exists.
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>>217716664
There are so many layers to this lol. Ironically part of the reason /trek/ threads get shit up is because people leave their containment board to complain about the very people who made their containment board (and ruined Star Trek, to their credit)
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>Well, that's the problem I see here. All this technology it only serves to take away life's simple pleasures. You don't even let a man open the door for a lady.
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>Oh my heckin science! These rednecks from arkansas don't like new star trek because they're heckin racists! Back to /pol/ CHUDS!
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>>217715221
Jake's dabo girl gf
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>>217702216
Trek died 25 years ago.
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>>217716664
Go watch your Starfleet Academy on Paramount Plus and let us be, you fucking pussy.
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You remind me of the babe
What babe?
The babe with the power
What power?
The power of Q Doo
Who do?
Do what?
Remind me of the babe
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>watch RLM top TNG episode vids
>they all HATE Worf episodes
>think Klingon shit is stupid
How can their taste be this bad? Worf episodes are objectively the highlights of the series and the klingon stuff is some of the most entertaining lore in the series. Worf is one of the actually complex characters on TNG.
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>>217717037
You like that Enterprise?
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>>217717098
It's worse than DS9 and TNG, but it's not bad.
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The punches never look like they connect on ENT, I didn't notice it when I watched it for the first time but now I do.
Meanwhile any time Kira is kicking ass on DS9 it actually looks pretty badass, I have to say.
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Fun fact: one of the writers of the show was originally a fan who wrote his own script and gave it to the film crew member who was giving him a tour of the set. One day the shows head writer was going through the fan script submission pile and came across it and made it into the episode "Tin Man" and hired him on as a writer.
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Klingon stuff is basically baby's first Game of Thrones. if you can't understand why Trek fans might not have any interest in that and find it boring you're not very smart. it's fine if you like it but you need to realize that it's easily hateable.
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they stole those Klingon designs from Galaxy Quest convention background extras
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I just like Star Trek
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>With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. - TNG 1991
>>With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, us all irrevocably. - Star Fleet Academy 2026
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*fixes your computer systems*
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*breaks your computer systems*
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>>217717827
My coffee from the replicator was too goddamn hot again, fix it again
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>>217717984
>O’Brien has to fix everything on the enterprise
>Ro just wants him to turn everything into a bomb to kill Cardassians
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>Fixes everything without complaining
>His reward for this is being given even more work because he's good at his job
>Bitch wife keeps nagging and never puts out
>Tries to kill himself but has to keep living because "people would be sad"
wow obrien is literally me
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O'Brien is suffering.
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O'brien's suffering was nothing compared to Nog
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>>217702235
Why? It’s such a good story
Kid is traumatised and doesn’t want to confront his feelings about it. In the absence of his parents, he looks for adult guidance, and Data, being without emotional seems like the easy way out for the boy.
And it is mirrored by the fact that Data cannot see it for what it is.
The only flaw is, as always, Deann Troi being absent / entirely incompetent about the whole thing
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I have TOS, TNG, and DS9. Are any other trek series worth watching?
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>>217702820
There just isn’t much to talk about. I have watched all old Trek except TAS multiple times (currently rewatching DS9 yet again), and while TNG and DS9 offer lots of deep episodes that can be interpreted in different ways and lend themselves to long discussions, TOS mostly just doesn't.
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>Lost a leg and it was immediately replaced by a perfectly fine prosthetic one that functions 100% the same as a normal leg
>In a time period where non-addictive pain killer medication can likely 100% solve any lingering chronic pain
>Saw some guy get shot once (awww ah bloo bloo... people see that shit all the time in gaza or ukraine and don't have the luxury of moping around)
>All this while having access to a state of the art holodeck program that can be used to simulate literally any scenario he can dream up of, with the only stipulation being you can't be in it 24/7 and have to occasionally do your (highly respected) job
fuck this guy. I'd literally kill to have his life
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>admit that religion IS helpful.
They did that so well on DS9. Simultaneously showing how religion is based on bullshit IRL (in the show, the Prophets are actually real), how it can help people, and also how it can be easily used to abuse their followers through the character of Kai Winn.
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