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What is the best way to go about intentionally deceiving your players for story/narrative purposes? What are some good plot twists basically?
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8 fucking threads, what is wrong with you.
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>>97875550
What the actual fuck.
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>>97875510
Something I think that is really deceptive, is endlessly filling up the board by spamming bottom of the barrel character art commissions, and doing it under the guys of an actual good faith thread.
I also think the advertisers would be deceived, given that you are doing this to make the board look active for them
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Before these posts get deleted, I want to point out something:
There has been a disclosed CIA training manual on how to subvert and self-destruct communities, and one of the main tactics is to not destroy it, but you infiltrate a community, and slowly make it unusable for the user base so that they wither away.
Combine this with the fact that it's also a clear attempt at filling up the board with threads that look real, and I'm attempt to make the site look more appetizing for advertisers
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>>97875738
no, puckee is just an autist who is protected by the mods. no different to fishtank threads being kept up on /tv/ because sam hyde pays the mods off.
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It's actually very simple anons. People did what /a/ did when people mentioned Naruto; and that was "throw a fucking fit". Eventually, people started posting Naruto purely to troll, and when ret/a/rds started whining on /q/ they would mock the shit out of them for complaining about anime on /a/.
In other words: Someone fed the troll. Now you have trolls.
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And you guys complain about my two measly threads. At least my thread has some game material on it. You guys are just haters. Don't ever complain about my threads again when shit like this exists >>97875550
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>>97875768
While I'm at it, here's what happened a while back on /vr/. This is all one guy.
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>>97875794
Vr? Are you fucking kidding me? Whoever would fuck around with that board needs to be shot. Vr has to be one of the most benign boards that has ever existed. I can't think of a board that's less deserving of such treatment.
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>>97875829
I haven't noticed a lot of shit posting on VR over the years. VR is so non offensive. Why even bother that board? Whoever is doing it needs to graduate to B for fucks sake. They wouldn't last ten fucking minutes there. Leave vr alone. Try that shit with pol or tv if you're so bad ass. Because you can't. Who tf is this faggot anyway? Puckee? What the fuck is a puckee
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>>97875768
The problem is puckee posts even when he gets no replies, and single-sentence non-topic spam threads are a much broader issue than just him and have been defended by the mods for years now. An active effort to dilute /tg/ and waste creativity has been maintained nearly daily (barring extremely rare bans and cleanups) for what, half a decade now?
Not feeding the troll isnt the issue, because the solution there ends up just abandoning 30% of the board and casual conversation becoming impossible (the current state of things)
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>>97875550
There's even more.
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>>97876101
Fundamentally, this problem has existed since nazimod briefly took over in 2014, and it only got worse as the years went on. This place is actually worse for discussing RPGs now than a lot of the ideologically captured web 1.0 forums, and that's not praise of them, but damnation of us.
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>>97876124
You are the one who just posted the endless pictures of random book pages, with absolutely no discussion?
You aren't improving anything, you're just spamming the board temporarilyYou aren't improving anything, you're just spamming the board temporarily
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Just a reminder that you could instantly make puckee go away by spending ~1 week deleting the images he posts whenever they appear and autosaging the threads he makes.
Dude is mostly active on facebook, imgur, flickr, and reddit. He'd toddle on back.
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>>97876135
But there was discussion. It's just not a lot of discussion because the pages posted spoke for themselves. They don't need endless discussion. Why are you being such an ass about this? If anyone wanted to talk about critical hits for monsters, i would have been more than happy to discuss that, but no one did. Your pissing and moaning ain't helping either, faggot. At least I was covering actual GAME material.
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>>97875510
Understanding that your players only needs to know things that their character would be expected to know.
And that they should explore the world as much as possible in-character, rather than reading lore out of game context.
Ideally, you directly tell your players as little as possible about the overarching plot of the game; to do otherwise would minimise their reason for wanting to learn anything about the world or experiment in it at all.
This flies in the face of the desire to share one's creation.
You have to learn how to tease and hold back information.
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>>97876151
>not a lot of discussion
There was not a single bit of discussion about those games, and you saying one sentence about them to yourself does not count.
>the pages posted spoke for themselves.
Yeah, so interesting that literally nobody gave a shit enough to actually talk about them
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>>97876159
It does count as discussion. I didn't read the rest of your blather. You should try crying about it. I think I'll go make another thread again but this time about magical shields. Idc if no one ever posts on them or not. That's not really the point. I'm improving post quality and board quality. Bool! The End.
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>>97876175
>I'm improving post quality and board quality
Nta but posting a bunch of random images, and constantly saying "hail Satan!", as well as not actually discussing what you are posting, is not an improvement to quality at all.
Grow up
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>>97876175
>It does count as discussion
Not at all. Why do you think anyone will believe your shit when we've been getting spammed with these fucking threads for years? Nearly all bans on /tg/ these days come from mods protecting puckee threads.
>I'm improving post quality and board quality.
You are part of the problem. Anons have a legitimate grievance, and instead of accepting that and posting in legitimate threads, you show up to nearly every puckee thread to bitch about the people who have correctly, and repeatedly identified a problem that has no reason to persist.
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You two should put together a cry it out club. My thread is just fine. If it was so horrible, they would have deleted it. At least I'm trying. All you're doing is crying about it. I've always been more then willing to discuss anything I post. I present the data and if anytime deems it worth talking about, so we shall. But keep crying about it. That's really helping post quality and board quality.
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>puckee thread
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>>97875510
False Hydra is peak, there's a lot of ways to run it, the best ways I've seen are
-retcon there being another party member who went missing
(if they are able to be rescued you can run a DMPC)
-play a subtle white noise you gradually increase volume for, when players notice they are then allowed to roll a perception check
-switch the names of NPCs around and change what happened yesterday everyday
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Puckee is specifically protected by a mod, his reddit username "pucke℮21" is censored and calling out his spam results in bans
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Has anyone tried contacting the other mods on the IC? Seems like there's at least one rogue mod on /tg/ supporting puckee's spam and there's evidence of him shitting up the log with around 10 low quality threads.
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>>97876912
There was a spammer on /a/ who did something similar, dumping dozens of the same images thread after thread despite it being "on topic", it took multiple anons contacting the IRC before anything was done about it and the spammer's image dumps were deleted in future threads.
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>>97875693
>and one of the main tactics is to not destroy it, but you infiltrate a community, and slowly make it unusable for the user base so that they wither away.
>Combine this with the fact that it's also a clear attempt at filling up the board with threads that look real, and I'm attempt to make the site look more appetizing for advertisers
you are describing perfectly what happened to /tv/ (and some other boards, but I'm mentioning /tv/ because it's a very high-traffic board)
the mods over there got infiltrated too and delete or at least auto-sage EVERY thread that's not on their "approved list"
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>>97876695
>play a subtle white noise you gradually increase volume for, when players notice they are then allowed to roll a perception check
I'm definitely going to do this next time I run a game. I have some very paranoid players that would go nuts over this. Camp watch will be doubled, everyone will always go about with weapons readied and spells readied for at least 4 weeks lmao. This is gonna be glorious. I'm going to do it at least two times in the beginning. You don't even have to use the False Hydra as a premise. You can just do it to provoke paranoia. Really cool idea, thanks for sharing it.
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>>97876892
Cope with it because I'm not going to stop with my excellent 2e books. 2e wasn't perfect but it's not even near the worst thing on the catalogue, give me a fucking break. I bet you still sleep with the lights on.
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>>97877237
also before you get enthusiastic keep in mind that it only works if it's a crazy person, a small group, or a raid (and in the last case you'll have to weather it)
if it's a concentrated effort with people pouring money into it (like what happened to /pol/ since the last electoral loss, although the incredibly aggressive hags and fags spilled over into almost every board, bullying peole) it's virtually impossible
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>>97877237
You just go on Rizon, then join the 4chan channel, then contact a mod. You'll want to give them context that this has been going on for years, bans for reports, etc. Expect to be completely ignored or banned. The IRC mods are mostly just as bad as any that actually do day to day stuff on 4chan.
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>>97875693
I've experienced death of at least two generals here that I liked to pop in and out. And I'm not here that long. This entire site feels like an old mall that's about to close down.
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Its British glowies btw.
https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/
They have numerous groups that go online to "combat the far right" like GCHQ, jtrig, 77th brigade, the nudge unit, and more. Jtrig have been derailing youtube comments section since at least 2011 for example. The brit glowies have went hard over the past 2 years to destroy brit/pol/ and have succeeded at it.
The uk establishment are fucking mental and target anything remotely right wing. Yes that includes here with your nazi tanks.
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>>97876773
The best part of the False Hydra, is like any great D&D advice and content, it sparks the imagination, and inspires you to get even more creative. Imagine if instead of the creature, you're doing a huge conspiracy that involves several regions and high ranking officials, vendors your players may have interfaced with.
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The false Hydra is basically a conspiracy in monster form.
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what the fuck does that have to do with the hydra? bro imagine if you were fighting a troll, but instead of a troll or fighting, you were actually driving a 2003 Ford focus! wow trolls are great monsters, they inspire so much imagination! are you on bath salts?
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>>97875510
>puckee spamming his commission again
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/13iqrjb/art_comm_layla_the_succu bus_human_form/
https://desuarchive.org/tg/search/image/bBQnk2q_LZAnrc1x8KFrbA/
>39 times since May 2023
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Why does everything suck so bad now? I mean I havent even been an anon very long but Ive watched this board go from semi active to an absolute crawl in a matter of a few years. It seems like every other thread has at least one fag shitting it up. /hwg/ is dead, /osr/ got shitted up, hell even /wbg/ gets shitted up semi frequently. Nobody wants to have genuine conversations anymore because everyones at eachothers throats because anyone could be the spammer
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>>97875794
I thought i was the only one who noticed this on /vr/ too
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That also literally happens on /vp/, the pokemon board, sometimes
Like months old threads popping up again and again
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>>97876695
It was good until people started blogging about it and now every cunt knows about it. It only works if people don't see it coming. I've said and heard people say "If this is a false hydra scenario can we just skip it instead?" because of how obvious it is.
It's not even that original, there's a Stargate episode with a similar premise called Revisions.
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>>97879499
I think all of 4chan has always been shit
People are always nostalgic about their first few years on it
My first post was before project chanology and I think I enjoyed 4chan then
But if I saw the post nowadays I would probably hate them without my rose tinted glasses
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>>97879870
/pol/ used to know full well, but most of the oldfags are gone since it became spam central.
It was pretty bad in the runup to 2016, but after that it became unuseable, and a lotta people excaped to 8ch to get their data scraped by that glowcripple Hotwheels.
Not all of them ever came back.
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>>97879499
You're living in a different era of the internet, where there are interest groups deliberately ruining your niche communities and where the dumbest, brownest, most inbred genetic refuse from the Indian subcontinent can post on the same website as you.
Being completely anonymous and bans being easy to evade means that a single schizo or ritualposter can completely ruin a board too. Jannies will eventually get tired of banning them and just ban the people who complain instead. That's why Bumpfag is still here despite being hit with multiple rangebans and nobody bothers to stop him now.
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/pol/ sucks and always sucked so there's barely a difference, you can't tell me there's no Peter Thiel connection with that place
>that glowcripple Hotwheels
Hotwheels(pbuh) seemed like a normal guy who got disillusioned. Ian Watkins, the guy who he sold 8ch too, wasn't he literally a CIA guy or some other fed shit? The two biggest imageboards(ten years ago at least) suddenly being owned by a Japanese scammer hated by his own community, and a military guy with a past a bit too tied to the US government, I remember that feeling really weird when it happened
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See >>97877942
The uk gov cant control 4chan therefore the whole site has to suffer. You can go on the Brit general right now and see a bot with over 100 posts of inane off topic garbage.
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>mfw the UK Government can't stop Abdul from stabbing seventy-three children but they can catch Harry with a piece of suspiciously sharp PVC pipe in his garden
>mfw the UK Government can't stop Jamal from conducting an organized rape gang for 17 years but they know exactly when James even considered the teenage girl going down the street has some bangin' tits
>mfw the UK Government can't stop immigrants from flooding an island nation but they can track where every citizen is at any given time
>mfw the UK Government has surveillance devices on every street corner, every intersection, every alleyway and every park yet all of the above cannot be stopped (unless it's a native Brit)
>mfw "behead those who insult Islam" isn't an offense but waving the English flag is a hate crime
>mfw seven thousand Muslims can pray in the street and it's considered perfectly respectable, but the moment native Brits organize to protest it becomes a severe, actionable offense worthy of ministers going out and saying, "we will every single person in these crowds and we will destroy all of them."
>mfw London being majority non-white isn't an issue but the rest of the country being white is
>mfw black people are always good on TV, and whites are always bad
I guess this is part and parcel for living in a modern country. At least we're not speaking German.
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>>97887598
>mfw you exactly made anon's point by hyperfixating on James and Harry instead of Jamal or Abdul
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>>97887934
Look I was with him until he randomly started talking about a teenagers tits, that was just strange
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Idk ive gotten this far only thinking about the tits of adult women, and ive been doing pretty well for myself
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F in chat for anons anus
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Damn, anon wasn't kidding, OFCOM really rolled up to damage control.
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>>97888818
The fact he avoided >>97887867 and has conspicuously made every post to try and steer the conversation away from the “points he agrees with” is very telling. >>97887934 is absolutely right and proves >>97877942 is happening.
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>>97888833
Have you considered I just didnt find that post interesting enough to reply to faggot?
You want me to prove im not a glowie?
I denouce the talmud, the torah, and the quaran. Isreal doesn't exist, and if it does, it should face nuclear hellfire
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>>97888833
Only one of those post is me.
I've been on banned on this shithole site for saying "death to Israel" btw and its european golem states, you're all nasty kike tools and I hope Jamal is real and meets you again
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>>97876199
That "some spammer" is the collective of autistic morons in the Hololive general who want to make new threads as quick as possible to (I assume) get their image limit back and who adamantly refuse to move on to /vt/ because THAT community is even fucking worse
Mods do nothing either because they're in on it as holofags or they don't care for whatever reason that most of the hobby boards that weren't already /v/-tier are going to shit.
Maybe it's because of CIA/reddit/trannies/whatever, but it's either tacit agreement or malicious indifference
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I love adult grown ass women but their tits are a bit lacking. Picrel had perfect tits imo and I didn't realize it at the time. Having seen many tits since then, I didn't know how good I had it.
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>>97889558
You just havent found the right tits then anon, you dont have to stoop to being a ped
My last ex (23 years old btw) had absolutely gorgeous tits, D cup, just a little bitty bit of sag to em so you knew they were real, and rosy pink nips. God I miss her
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>>97889157
I don't know why the fuck mods didn't force vtumors into /vt/, they were worse to a slow niche board like /jp/ than what bronies were to /co/ 15 years ago. They deserve a containment board
But as said earlier, this weird thread reposting thing is something seen on /vp/ too
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slower boards are easier targets
they don't go to /b/ because they'd be outcompeted by the local shitposters
i'd put money down that nothing in particular even happened to spawn these douchebags other than wanting to shitpost but not being able to rock with the big leagues, so they go to smaller and slower boards that are easier to derail
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>>97889910
different anon but id agree, I know people are saying its this glowie psyop, but lets be honest, I doubt any national government gives that much of a fuck about a handful of egdy shitposters, much less a few edgy shitposters on a board about pushing toy soldiers around.
Its much more likely that theres a handful of mentally ill fags here who get their kicks shitting up things that people enjoy, kid kicking a sand castle style. If you go to the pucksters plebbit account, most of his posts give off vibes of someone heavily on the wrong end of the autism spectrum
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Basically, imagine what he does here, but without even a dumbass question to try and justify the posts existence, every once in a while, he'll add a little "lore" blurb about the character in the art
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>>97890128
Glowies are always possible, so are think tanks and more Thiel connected groups but few would want to admit that because it would suggest their opinions aren't their own
But you're right that people underestimate how dedicated autistic schizos can be, they have killed many communities in the past on their own and anonymous imageboards always felt susceptible to even the most dedicated circlejerks
OCD is a horrible illness.
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>>97890469
Glowies are always possible, this is true, but considering the puckster does the same thing on reddit as he does here, makes me doubt at least HE is part of some psyop
I honestly am starting to think he might not even know how much of a shitter he's being, like im starting to think he might just be genuinely mentally ill and this is his autistic obsession or whatever, commissioning meh art and sharing it while making a vague attempt at connecting with the larger community. Kinda makes me sad for him if thats the case
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hey, at least it's not Quests ;^)
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>>97890664
Spamming the board with threads about his slop commission's, spamming. The character art threads with them, posting them as fulfillments in the drawfag thread.
Go through the catalog and see how many pukee threads are up right now. And always sage your posts, don't bump him.
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>>97890365
He also started spamming his slop commissions on /ic/
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7911335
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>>97890032
The real bitter TRVTHNVKE is there's very little difference in the mental faculties and ability to assume responsibility for oneself in a 16 year old girl vs a 36 year old one.
If I'm getting a mental child capable of getting "groomed" and fucked by anyone either a lick of clout, power, or because they were bored that day, why WOULDN'T I pick the newer model?
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Can memories be pedophilia? I remember having sex in high school. Those girls were *not* [Insert Socially Acceptable Age for Sex Here]. I know you're going to call me a virgin and that I'm lying, but the question still holds true; if a 30 year old remembers their 14 year old girlfriend, is that pedophilia?
But this is all distracting from the point. Again, OFCOM is in full force and they *love* switching conversations to "socially acceptable outrage" like the teenie-bopper bullshit we're now discussing. The original point was that Glowies drown any criticism of government policies (namely, giving carte blanche to immigrants and despising natives) because it might make people realize they're getting a sour deal.
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>>97891318
Of course memories aren't being a pedo, but the difference is if the women you find attractive didn't get older as you age, then thats creepy.
Saying "Oh I had a really hot girlfriend in high school" is okay because it was an age-appropriate relationship"
Saying "Oh that random high schooler is really hot" as a fully grown man is creepy, because that is not age appropriate
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>>97891771
>including lusting after big-breasted women
Lusting after big-breasted women was the "first" thing to get criticized, actually. Jason Schreier describing Sorceress from Dragon's Crown as a pedophile fantasy was almost exactly 13 years ago, on April 23rd, 2013.